Alrighty then the two generals battle it out on Utapau and of course the good guy,Obi-wan Kenobi, wins but I think General Grievous would win if there was no force or guns just lightasabers. What do you think?

I read the poll wrong, I voted for Grievous, but if lightsabers were allowed, Obi-Wan would win. What should have happened in episode III, is that Obi-Wan takes all his lightsabers away by cutting off his arms (which he already was doing). Then he simply should have decapitated him or something. During the lightsaber fight itself, Grievous was not match for Obi-Wan.

Lightsabers ARE used in this fight but Obi-wan would lose in my mind because Grievous can make his hands rotate 20 times a second

This is a pointless query in my eyes. Being able to wield a lightsaber and use it effectively requires use of the Force, unless you are jazzed up in some form as Grievous was. So it is pointless to exclude the force from question, and even without that, Obi-Wan had many many years of experience, whereas Grievous had at the very most 3 years worth.

Besides, Obi-Wan DID win lol So debate over lol

but how did Obi-wan win? force+gun

No, you said lightsabers were allowed, so if there was use of lightsabers, Obi-Wan would definatly win, he just lost it while Grievous fled.

Yeah, the lightsiaber fight definitely went in Obi-Wan's favor. Personally I thought it was a pretty dull fight myself. So he had 4 lightsabers? He just spun them around in circles, and it hardly worked in his favor. The actual blade to blade battle was pretty pathetic on Grievous' end of it. Obi wan took out his arms with ease. No effort at all. I was hoping for something a lot more entertaining when I saw he had them, but I was disappointed.

And as for the force, it played very little role in the lightsaber battle. If Grievous is a droid, than he is not a living individual, and therefore his intentions can not be read and predicted through the force. However, I always thought he seemed more of a cyborg than a droid, since he was hacking and coughing the whoe movie and he appeared to have flech in places, like around his eyes and his heart (?) that Obi-Wan shot. Therefore, he would have been able to use the Force himself, if Dooku did in fact train him in it's use. This would put him in as much of a disadvantage as it puts Obi Wan when the Force is banned.

So yeah, the lightsaber fight goes the same way it went before. The only reason Grievous didn't die right then and there is because he ran away.

If Grievous and Obi-wan fought to the death with sabers then,seeing as how Grievous is awesome with sabers, Obi-wan would die.

How did Obi-wan lose his saber again???

I seem to recall him dropping it during the chase. What you should be asking is, if Grievous is so awesome with lightsabers, how did he mange to lose the first three with a minimal amount of diffiiculty? Again, had Grievous not ran, Obi Wan would have beaten him right then and there.

With four laghtsabers to Obi Wan's one, grievous should have had the upper hand, but in the ightsaber battle, it was all Obi Wan. Grievous never stood a chance, so he fled.

Grievous, from what I saw in those movies, was a wuss.In all the prequal movies, it was the worst saber to saber battle in there. Completely one-sided all the way. In fact, the only one that was worse in the entire series of movies was Obi Wan vs. Vader in Episonde IV, and that's mostly to blame on poor coreography at the time, and perhaps more than a little on Sir. Alec Guiness being old.

Although I agree that the reason Obi-Wan did not get to kill him is because he fled, I don't think it was the worst fight...true you don't see much of a lightsaber fight, but the whole fight, chase and aftermath was a good action-packed scene.

I don't see much of Grievous being so "awesome" with lightsabers as you say raycaptain. But about Force sensibility.

-Grievous isn't Force sensitive, he is mostly a droid although he still has his organs packed in a bag and he has his brain (that's why Obi-Wan ripped his chest open) He coughs because Mace tried to crush his chest.

-Obi-Wan is Force sensitive and even if he couldn't predict General Grievous movements, he would still have the upperhand. Grievous was trained in the Jedi Arts for about three years. Obi-Wan was trained certainly more than 20 years.

I said Grievous because if you have seen the Clone War Cartoons, he owned 5 Jedi at once. Yeah, he was over powered but still.

I still think Grevious was awesome

General Kenobi had won.
Grievous was such a covard, so I don't like him. :P
God only knows how many times he ran away from a Jedi!

Besides Lucas would never allow Grievous to beat Obi-Wan!

I'd say that Obi-wan would win. He has much more lightsaber training than grievous. Much more.

Question: do you think Grievous's health issue played any part in the outcome of the battle?

I would say just a little afteral he did improve by coming a cyborg, he became faster more dynamic and got lightsaber training. The only real health issue he had was a bad cough, so I don't see that as such a huge disadvantage

You're probably right. I read somewhere, however, that liquid was filling Grievous's lungs. So I don't know, maybe it affected his stamina or something?

If it was, it'd probably be some agent used to transport oxygen and nutrients to his remaining organs, similar to getting an IV in a hospital.

As for his cough... Well, let's face it. His lungs were stuffed in a bag, and surrounded by other organs pressing against it. That's usually not the best of circumstances for them to be in considering he still had to breathe.

Actually his cough is explained in the clone wars vol. 2.
When Grievous escaped kidnapping the chancellor, Mace still tries to catch him, crushing his chest plate with the Force which had a big impact on his lungs. That is why he coughs.
BTW it is actually George Lucas himself who did the coughing for Grievous...

heh, thats pretty cool, i didn't know that