K-modded integrated guns have the best shot at cracking 70ft. We should be able to do it here with less trouble than with regular modded guns and homemades.

I was wondering if you could help me understand the advantage of integration (i'm new here). I totally understand modding, - the thicker the PC the better, but how is it advantageous to, say, put a 1700 PC in a 2100, versus keeping the PC in the 2100? I'm not sure I understand.

Thanks for any help! ;)

A 1700 pc is much stronger than a 2100 pc. [A point proven when the 2 guns are shot side by side]. When Nibordude put a 1000 pc in a 2100, the gun acted as if it had been given a light k-mod. No balloons were added, no check valve freeze was done, yet the gun shot 50ft, had more output, and the stream speed increased. If it is acting like that, think of what happens when the gun is given a heavy k-mod. :rolleyes:

Now there is a balance. The weaker pc ends up in the other gun and drags down it's preformance. But it is worth getting the better pc in the better internals. The 2100 has been found to have the strongest internals, which helps when you k-mod an integration gun. The 1500/1700 pc is the best pc, so a 1521 or 1721 would be the best integration.

OK, so the 2100 has the strongest internals. But won't you lose some PC volume with the integration? And I'm suprised that Hasbro made the 2100 with such strong internals but a considerably weaker PC. :huh: But, of course, 2002-2003 was the big shift between strong guns and the MUCH weaker ones of 2004-2005, and probably 2006. :(

That is part of why I don't understand the entire "integration" modification. I think it's mostly hype with no advantages. People have been doing the same thing for years under the name "PC-swapping" which as far as I am concerned is a more accurate and descriptive name. Older PCs typically are harder from age or stronger right out of the box, and that's only why you get a power-up. You should get a similar effect with a better nozzle or use of more balloons in the original, larger water gun.

I could fit well over 100 balloons in my K-modded CPS 2700 with a homemade trigger valve, but I don't because I think homemade water guns are better. Of course, this is only my opinion too. ;)

It's a pretty significant power-up. And it doesn't wear off, either. A regular 1100 has roughly the same power and range as a 12K with 30 balloons. I like this because when you go to k-mod, you are starting with a much more powerful gun. Instead of starting off with 35ft, you've got 50 before adding any balloons. Adding a better nozzle and balloons should build on top of this and make the gun stronger than if you did the same in the original casing.

And PC-Swapping is exactly what is going on, but it is still a form of integrating and so easy and quick that other types of integrations seem too strange or not worth the time.

When my 11K is fixed, it should justify the theory that a PC-swapped gun [it is easier to just say integrated] will outrange and outpower a normal modded gun such as a 21K [since that is my only regular power-modded gun that works].

I also prefer homemades. The supply of 2100's isn't infinite, while the supply of PVC is... almost. Modded guns have limits and those limits are based on the power of the original soaker, and the power of the original soakers is diminishing.

Edit: Dux posted right before I did. Are you sure it's the 2100, not just the nozzle size?

Don't get me wrong, if I didn't like homemades I wouldn't have such a large selection of PVC fittings and pipe in my basement [I actually have some of every size pipe from 1/2" to 3" except the rare 2 1/2"]. I still have some problems with homemades, though, such as finding a size dowel and o-ring that fit 100% perfectly with each other in the 1/2" pipe. The big thing is range. I'm not getting range in the 60s like you should from a homemade water gun. Well, that's why the one I'm currently gluing together has a 1/2" pump and some other tweaks to hopefully increase range.

I would like to go completely homemade, but that can't happen until I solve these 2 annoying little issues first. When I feel confident enough to fight a war with a homemade, when I choose one over a 21K, 11K, etc; powerful modded guns, then you know I've finished the conversion. B)

Did you actually make the valve from scratch, or is it a ball valve? Something like that could revolutionize homemades. :)

I believe he used a ball valve. I'm sure he would have told us if he made a homemade trigger. I'm workin on a design for a homemade trigger, though. ;)