When Crashdummy posted the idea of switching just the bladders, do you realize the potential? We could get integrated guns that outpreform the 1100, and easily outpreform it.

Then, k-mod them. :ph43r: Imagine how much range a 1721K or a 2721K could get!

Oh, that is how we should name the new integrations, the gun the pc came from, then the host gun. So if you put a 2700 bladder in a 1500 pc and internals, it would be a CPS 2715. Modding it would make it a CPS 2715K. B)

That sounds very fun. I would not want to be hit by one of those things. It'd probably hurt unless your using a large nozzle, in which case it would push you backwards. Also the 1100 would be the 1021. Also the 1721k would mathematicly be a 17.21K. The names are awkward, but performance would blast the awkward name into not caringdom.

For simplicty, just adding the k like normal would be best. :blink:

One could have an entire arsenal of odd sounding guns:

CPS 2110
CPS 1021
CPS 1721
CPS 2117
CPS 2721
CPS 2127
CPS 1512
CPS 1215
CPS 2710
CPS 1027

There's too many to list! :lol:

Lol, yea, as of now I have a 2127 and a 2721.

God dammit! My monkey brain hurts! :lol: From what I vaguely understand it sounds exciting though. Let not this secret fall into the hands of others across the waterwarfare community!

What's the difference between a 1100 and 1021? THey sound the same. Am I missing something?

Nope no difference. Just the name for a 1100 under the new naming system. I think that 1100 should stay the same though. It sounds better.

Now that the original problems have been solved [pc size, connectors] Integrations and Integration Modding [IM ing! :lol: ] could really take off. I could see standard mods fading away and integration mods becoming the next big thing.

Standard modding boosts your gun's stats only once. But integration modding can boost your stats twice! The regular integrated gun can be much more powerful than the original stock gun. Everything is raised one level!

Hopefully there won't be too much of an impact on the availablity of spherical pc guns. Also, if someone you know has a broken gun that they want to throw away, ask for the pc! Now I judge guns by the power and condition of the pc, rather than how well the rest of the gun works and the condition of the casing. People really overblow the value of a gun where the external casing is in mint condition or the gun is NIB. No matter the condition, the pc almost always functions well.

I don't think it's going to be that big. I really don't want to sacrifice a gun to get a better one, it's just a waste.

It's not always a waste. It depends on the guns you use like swapping the pc's of a 1700 and a 2700 is not as big a waste as swapping the pc's of a 1200 and a 2100.

You can k-mod the 2nd pc, which makes it less of a waste. When I swapped the 11K and 21K pcs, I was left with a 21K pc with 80 balloons on it. Doesn't matter what gun that's in, it will preform pretty well regardless of host.

Naming wise I dont think naming them odd numbers like that is really the right way. It's just going to be too confusing. I suggest we stick with the casing first and then the PC second or which ever way is easier. Then the 1100 would be, 21i10 or, 10i21. The i stands for integration. Or, you take the PC guns first digit and add the casing guns second digit kind of like 1100. 1000 and 2100.

^ Both of those are even more confusing! Keeping the pc# host# works fine IMO. What is confusing about a CPS 2721, for example? It clearly shows that there's a 2700 pc in a 2100 gun. The first way is the same only with an added i, the 2nd way is strange.

The "confusing" numbers make the guns look more mainstream than other methods adding i's or doing other weird stuff.

I just find naming a gun a 1021 jsut odd. It's too random.

I think it should be casing, then pc. cause 2110 might be easier...of course in the case of the 2127 its not differant...

The pc is more important than the gun it goes in, because that is what affects preformance the most. By having the pc first, the first thing the reader sees of it is what pc is there.

It might be odd using the numbers, but it is so far the most direct and simple way of doing it. Having the 4 digits, like CPS 2127 also keeps it somewhat normal, as most normal CPS guns have 4 digits: CPS 2700.

New names might make it less odd, but they lose the up-front direct way 2127 tells you what you need to know.

Lol, I still havent gotten used to calling my 2100 "2721", so I just call it the 2100 most of the time.

I hardly think that the current naming system is confusing, just awkward. Nibor's idea sounds good, but then you start to get repeating names (like hunter's 2721 would still be a 2100). With the current number of integrated soakers though you could just name your soaker. However if this catches on then it would be hard to remember all the names.

These integrations are new, so it will take time to get used to them. Think about when XN invented the K-mod. Was a CPS 12000 strange at that time? ;)

I guess. Ok, lets give it a try then. Integrations should definately go in the tech part of the newsletter if we are going to have one.

Some information will be released. However, integration modding is still a unique concept of SM. Everything will be on the v2 site. While I'm on the subject of Int/modding, permission has to be granted before one puts that stuff on their site. Nibor/I will give the permission to just about everyone whom asks, but if you don't at least ask, then you are stealing our concept! :ph43r:

Ok, can Wild boys and I put an integration article on our site?

I'm not sure whether I agree that integration modding is a unique concept of SM. The 2250 came about a long time before SM did. In fact, the article on toothpickmatt's site is dated 18 March 2004. Although he didn't put the PCs in the other shells, he did swap round the nozzles and pumps. I think you need to be careful on the wording you use.

Integration modding is unique of SM. Switching the pcs and then k-modding. The 2250 was a regular integration. Integration modding also somewhat more refers to spherical pc guns, since not many cylindrical guns have been integrated.

Integrations are nothing new, but doing pc swaps in spherical guns and then modding them is.

That's a good policy to have. I have a similar one and it's still amazing how many people steal my content or concepts and put them on their own website/weblog, usually without the author even mentioned! If someone asked, I'd be more than glad to help out.

I've been working on a larger more legal sounding legal page... should make some points more clear. Though, those who steal content or ideas really don't read those pages anyway...

For wild boys and I we just a put a little: copyright 2005: violators will be soaked. not a very good deterant, but no one can see the site yet anyway.

I might use some code that logs visitors' IP addresses. Of course I don't want to scare away the visitors, so it probably won't happen. It's not like I could do anything with your IP anyway... :ph43r:

In intigration modding how do you switch the pc's if they are not the same size?

You have to switch the bladders inside the pcs instead. B)

You also may or may not have to switch the plastic connectors that fit in the bladder. Depends on mark compatability. They are not hard to switch, but you may need a flat-head screwdriver to help pry them out.

I've got good pics and a half-written article on this, I'll get to it when I get home.

I had to switch it for my 2100 and 2700 integration mod. (want to post more, but have to go)

You should be able to use the access logs... I could install awstats for you too. I'll investigate and tell you where the logs would be.

We have strayed from integrations to website stuff sort of...

Doesn't really matter, long topics tend to drift. And anyway, these logs will be interesting once I find them...

Cool. Anyway, one non-pc integration that can be done is: if you kmodded like a 1700, and it have a leaky pump, use the pump from a 2100, which generally has better seals...