There has been so much hype by certain members about their homemade water guns that I wanted to make sure that their performance on the field lived up to their stats. I took on Dux with his new APH with my CPS 1500. His APH held its own and I had to retreat every now and then. In the end, it was a tie. Homemades can be practicle for wars, but they still have a long way to go. We need to inovate what we have and make them better.

I have finally picked which direction I want to go with Homemade Innovation. Instead of going for expensive guns that have uber-stats, but little practical use on the battlefield, I am going for homemades that are a bit toned down, but very much practical to use in a war. My prototype APH held against a CPS 1500 today, because it preforms like a regular stock soaker [with homemade characteristics]. It is actually barely larger than a CPS 1500, takes 10 pumps to fill the pc, and is probably the most mobile and light homemade you'll ever see. That is where homemades are heading IMO. In order to make them more mainstream, they must be practical in battles. That is the direction I'm going in, and hopefully I can help make homemades more accessible and easier to build for everyone. B)

I completely agree. My new gas powered homemade (if it works correctly) would be an extremely practical medium stats weapon that could be easily engaged with even a standard Super Soaker weapon. I still like to build extreme performing homemades though, and even those have a place in the field. A high powered sponge bullet sniper rfile would prove extrmemly effective at long range, and a welocme addition to any team's arsenals.

I had so much skeptisism over homemade use in a war. They're bulky, heavy, guzzle water, and take a ton of pumps. But Duxburians APH is quite the war machine for a homemade. If more homemades are made in this fashion, I think homemades will take off as a whole and people will be running away with ideas.

not too many ideas. I'm getting to like being part of a community dedicated completely to the people who understood the potential of homemades and modifications from the start.

agreed....im a little less into homemade and more into repeating and automatic launchers....

You basically mean Water Balloon Launchers. I still have never used my Douchenator in a war. Hopefully the new one will get its battle time.

"Homemade" is a general term which can include water balloon launchers. If you made one out of pvc and other items, it is of course a homemade just like a water gun you build yourself. The Homemade Innovation part of the v2 Tech section includes WBLs as well as water gun homemades. B)

Well, most people who say homemades are refering to homemade water guns. People who refer to homemade water balloon launchers usually just call them a WBL. Under the Homemade section, there will be homemade water guns and WBLs.

Back on the original topic, I am making the 2nd homemade in the design style I invented. The APR-2, [Air Pressure Revolution 2] should be able to fight off the CPS 1500 better than the APR-1, which was an experiment. I'll be making a whole line of APRs, improving the design with each one. B)

goody goody....i think that though a homemade could in theory be able to hold its own it is better employed with a coordinated squad....

Well, this was a simple 1-on-1 1HK duel because Nibordude wanted to test the preformance of a homemade vs a manufactured gun. While the APR-1 can hold its own, the APR-2 will be a big improvement and something that I will gladly take into battle as a primary gun.

ok...i still think i like multi-ahot WBL's more...

To each his own. I look forward to reading about the stats of your APR-2 and good luck in it's construction.

Thanks, I am expecting some great things from the APR-2. The APR-1 already could defeat a dual chamber APH in a battle. The APR-2 will be larger and heavier than the APR-1, but all the stats will be raised. I hope to create an entire "line" of APR homemades. However, sadly, few people have taken interest in this further pioneering of air pressure homemades. They rush to the frontier [CAPs], but that is contributing to the "Hard to build", "Expensive", and "Impractical in Battles" reputation that homemades are developing. I want to reverse those beliefs, turning homemade tech into something that anyone can build, regardless of budget, "showing" how easy it is to build a homemade, and making them battle practical. The APR series is one step on that direction. B)

Ha, are you suggesting on making a line of different designs for APH's? That would be extremely cool. We could call it The Soaker Media APH line.

I have 5 APR guns planned:

APR-1: The Really compact gun
APR-2: The Compact gun
APR-3: The Standard gun
APR-4: The Large gun
APR-5: The Insane and massive war machine!

The APR-1 has been built and the APR-2 is coming soon, although I'm not quite sure if they will remain with those names. I might make a smaller APR than what I have now, so the names might have to be adjusted. Are the current numbers good, or do you want real names or higher numbers, like 1000, 2000, etc?

Yeah, we should name them, APR 1000, APR 2000... so on and so on. Also, the APR 5000 (the war machine) should be the APH WBL design I made.

the douchenator? lol i could design a super expensive difficult to build automatic WBL for you guys...lol

Lol, that is exactly what I'm trying to avoid! :lol: These are cheap and easy to build homemades, the whole purpose is to spread the homemade interest and make them practical in wars.

I was planning the APR-5000 to be a triple pc backpack gun. Your design could be the APR-6000, or in between two, like APR-4500 for example.

Kind of defeats the purpose, Hunter. Anyway, the APR ounds promising. However their is a limit to just how good an APH can be. My dream is to have a gun ca-pable of firing SPC (Self Powered Charges) where the water, sponge, and form of propulsion is also packaged into one cartridge.

Dux and I were discussing the possibilities for the APR line. We have some pretty neat designs in the works. One, that I think is going to be incredibly small is the APR 1000 which will be made of nothing more than 2 inch PVC pipe. The tank and the PC which usually is 3 inch will be 2 inch, plus an altra small pump. I'm also working on a super inexpensive WBL. I found out that 1 inch solenoids are available at Home Depot. The basic design will be like the aqua labs WBL. The difference will be an easier design and a cutting the price.

sounds good post pics when your done :)

This line sounds promising. Already it makes me consider non-WBL homemades actually being used.

We bought a lot of the parts today. All we need now are the check valves. Dux is going to buy like 12. I'm going to buy 1, maybe more than that for a CPS homemade. We were talking about maybe having 4 inch size PC's.

I'm going to build the APR-1000, APR-3000, and CPH 4100 all at the same time. The basement is filled with pvc pipe and fittings. :lol: Nibor and I both made PPP guns today as well. See other topic.

ppp? anyway, i wish i had pvc sitting around my basement i could get started on my co2 powered launcher.

Note that part ^

PPP = PVC Piston Pumper, the first Piston Pressure homemade that I have heard of. Shoots 48-54ft depending on your strength. You can even get 3-4 tap shots from the thing. Pics and an article are coming.

The PPP was invented while we were working on making a better homemade pump. It works so amazingly! Plus, you can make maybe three out of only one piece of 3/4 inch PVC piping.

They are fun to shoot, too. I'll compress and post the pics after breakfast.

cool. going back to the original question on the topic, it would really dpend on the type of homemade, the user, and the enemy.

The homemade itself, if made properly, accompanied by a skilled user (this is where we come in) would be nearly invincible to anything or anyone. The only scenario I can see it not being invincible is if a skilled user holding a homemade comes in contact with another skilled user holding a homemade or modded gun.

If you are an idiot or just plain suck at waterfights, homemades might not even be able to help you. I can also see a skilled user like me using a crappy homemade against a descent fighter with a descent gun losing, but that is a worse case scenario. :P

At the beginning of this topic, Nibor and I had a 1HK duel, APR 2000 vs CPS 1500. The result: a perfect stand-off. That is right where it should be for a homemade that size. The APR 2000 is very much like the CPS 1500 in power and range, and is even almost the same size. That means that the APR 3000 should have a bit of an edge over the 1500, the 4000 should send the 1500 packing, and the 5000 should rule the battlefield, if it doesn't take too many pumps to pressurize. < A major concern with a triple pc backpack gun! The APR 1000 might be too small to hold against a CPS 1500, but we shall see soon enough when the APR 1000 is done. Which will be soon.

I was thinking that when I saw it's description. If it takes too many pumps you could always make it only have two pcs or three slightly smaller ones.

The APR line is still really undergoing development. I have yet to give the APR 2000 its no-leak pump and the better pump handle I got [1" coupler, nothing fancy, but it is smooth unlike the rough bushing I used to have].

The 5000 will probably have some adjustments made as time goes along and piles of fittings become the other APR guns.

My homemades don't have reservoirs or pumps yet...so they would definately NOT hold their own...

That depends how much of the pump you have. It could still shoot as long as it has the One way valve closest to the PC. Just stick a hose onto the pumpless end, turn it on, and the water will pressurize the air.

Well, they wouldn't hold their own because one of them takes forever to pressurize, and the other is really weak and small.

It kind of depends on how easy to pump it is. 40 cps pumps are harder than 40 air pumps.

Not necessarily. Homemade and CPS guns are often equally hard to pump. Except when the air pressure pc is near full.