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Title: Pakistani Parliament Ka Faisla
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Chaandni - August 19, 2006 09:57 PM (GMT)
Mujhay kabhi khabi iss forum per aanay kaa mauqa milta hai. Accha behis mubahisa hota hai. Mera dil chaha keh main bhi chand sawaal poochoan. Mera tamaam Ahmadiyun say yeh sawaal hay keh kia waja hai keh unko pakistan ki hakoomat nay Kafir qarar diya aur joe karwai 1974 ki Qaumi Assembly main ki gayee abb takk kiyun poshida hai? Kaha jaata hay keh ous waqat kay Qadiani Khalifa nay yeh bayaan diyaa thaa keh aqgar yeh karwai publish hoe gai toe aadha Pakistan Ahmadi hoe jaaye gaa. Kia iss per aap log roshni daal sakain gay?

meraypass - August 19, 2006 10:29 PM (GMT)

Both questions should be directed to the people who made the decision ie members of the assembly and the government of the time. It was their decision and not Ahmadiyya decision. Ahamdis do not agree with the decision.

No government has a right to interfere with anyone's right of freedom of religion, the most important of the human rights. Not only that, what they have done and what has happened since is in violation of the international convention on human rights to which Pakistan is a signatory. When the time comes Ahamdis have every right to hunt down and bring to justice these Sunni terrorists for crimes against humanity, in a way similar to how members of the Nazi party were brought to justice.

Rest assured, anything these culprits have done, or will do, is being documented and will be used against them as evidence.


Chaandni - August 19, 2006 11:09 PM (GMT)
Kitaab ka link;

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Meraypass Jee Urdu forum per English kuch mayoob lagti hai. kitaab ka link pesh kiya jaa raha hai, pehley parh lain phir tafseel say baat ho gi.

meraypass - August 19, 2006 11:13 PM (GMT)

Naheen baat naheen hugee. Masla yeh naheen hey kay kitab main kia likha hey bulkay masla yeh hay kay kisi ko kisse kee mazhabee azadee main dakhal daynain ka haq naheen. Aur Sunnion kay alaiwa, taqreeban tamam dunya is baat ko mantee hay. To jo bhee unhoon nay kia wo galt kia or yeh juram bhee hai aur askee saza kay liay tyar bhee raheen.

aparthy - August 20, 2006 04:38 AM (GMT)

Yih baat bilkul sahih hay kih yih kaam go hakumat nay kiyaa hay magar iskay karwaanay waalay wohi sunni type maulvi thay jinhoun nay aik kalimah go jama'at ki dushmani ikhtiyaar ki aur 70 yaa 80 saal tak is koshish main lagay rahay aur kehtay rahay kih Ahmadi kaafir hain.

Yih sab mazhabi taur par bhee ghalat thaa, Quran aur hadith kay mutaabiq bhee ghalat thaa. Jo bhee thaa, daikhnaa yih hay kih chaandni (moonlight) yaa chaand ki roshani main yih kaafir kaafir waali baat sahih thee yaa ghalat.

Agar yih sahih thee to hakumat nay sahih kaam kiyaa hay. Aur agar yih baat ghalat thee to yih kaam hakumat nay ghalat kiyaa hay. Is main ziaadah kitaab daikhnay ki kiyaa zaroorat hay. Waisay ham kitaab ko bhee daikh laingay.

Sunnion kay bhee firqay hain. Asal mulzim wahhaabi aur Deobandi loag hain jo nabi kareem s.a.w.s. ki sifaat ko nahin mantay aur aulia Allah ko bhee nahin maantay. Unhoun nay yih kaafir waalaa chakkar chalaayaa. Brelavi logoan (Sunnion) ko bhee unhoun nay bay waqoof banaa liyaa. har aik kaa hisaab hogaa, Insha Allah.

Yih yaad rakhain kih 1974 kay qaanoon main assembly nay Ahmadion aur lahorion ko kaafir nahin kahaa. Siraf yih kahaa kih yih qanoon kay lihaaz kay liyay Musalmaan nahin hain.

rana_tipu - August 20, 2006 05:05 AM (GMT)
Aparthy sb.

aap logon pay jo kufar ka fatwa laga ya aap logon ko ghiar muslim karar dia gayya iss ki wajah khud aap logon kay amaal hain. yani ghiar ahamdi kay peechay namaz nahin parhna, un say shadia na karna aur ghair ahmdion kay janaza main shareek na hona waghira waghira, yeh tamam aap logon kay he fatway hain jo kah aaap logon ko jo kah kalma bhi parhtay ho, muslmanon say alag kar daitay hain, aur yeh fatwas kissi aur kay nahin aap kah banion kay hain.

sid - August 20, 2006 11:14 AM (GMT)
welcom to borad channdni jee :rose:

baqee batain kitab pharney kay bad hongee.

meraypass - August 20, 2006 01:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rana_tipu @ Aug 20 2006, 05:05 AM)
Aparthy sb.

aap logon pay jo kufar ka fatwa laga ya aap logon ko ghiar muslim karar dia gayya iss ki wajah khud aap logon kay amaal hain. yani ghiar ahamdi kay peechay namaz nahin parhna, un say shadia na karna aur ghair ahmdion kay janaza main shareek na hona waghira waghira, yeh tamam aap logon kay he fatway hain jo kah aaap logon ko jo kah kalma bhi parhtay ho, muslmanon say alag kar daitay hain, aur yeh fatwas kissi aur kay nahin aap kah banion kay hain.


No. Because Sunnis are terrorists and fascists. No one persecutes anyone for not praying in the same church, mandar, imam bara or synagogue or for that matter anyone who does not pray at all! Only Sunnis have problem with this because religion of Sunnis is religion of terrorism and fascism which will not allow any freedom of religion to others and will use any foul mean to forcefully bring them into Sunni fold. Sunnis do not have problem with only Ahmadis, they have problem with Shias and just about every body else. Sunnis even call each other kafir and kill between themselves.

Ever wondered why Sunnis and specially Paki Sunnis are known as terrorists all over the world? Exactly.

Why would a Sunni want any one to pray behind him if he is a kafir? Why would a Sunni marry someone who she considers kafir? So she gets to hear their believes all the time which she doesn’t like to hear and doesn’t want her children to have? In reality, he/she would want these people as far away as possible form him/her.

Obviously the problem is not praying behind anyone or to marry anyone but lies elsewhere in Sunni mentality of terrorising every one.

But keep saying these things. It only affirms everyone's that Sunnis are in fact terrorists and have no intention of living peacefully with any one. This takes us to the next logical conclusion that Sunnis must be controlled all over the world (by force if necessary) if the people of the world need to continue to maintain their freedom of religion.

aparthy - August 20, 2006 02:15 PM (GMT)


From Mairay-pass:

Obviously the problem is not praying behind anyone or to marry anyone but lies elsewhere in Sunni mentality of terrorising every one.

But keep saying these things. It only affirms everyone's that Sunnis are in fact terrorists and have no intention of living peacefully with any one. This takes us to the next logical conclusion that Sunnis must be controlled all over the world (by force if necessary) if the people of the world need to continue to maintain their freedom of religion.


It shows how uninformed are Rana Tipu and Sid Waghairah. Janaab Rana sahib aap ko achhhee tarah patah hay kih ham loag sab kay saath hi namaaz parrhtay thay. hamain Sunnioun nay maar maar kar apni masjidoun say nikaalaa. Hamaari masjidain chheen li ga-ien. Yih shuro'u ( 1910 A.D.) main hou-aa aur kaafir kaafir ki rat bhee sunnioun nay lagaa rakhi thee.

Phir hamaari shaadiyaan bhee khatam (dissolve) karaa rahay thay. Agar aasaani say nah ho sakain to Sunni loag adaalat main jaatay thay aur hamaari shaadiyaan (mix marriages) khatam karwaatay thay. Rana sahib, aap itnay bholay to nah banain. Uskay ba'ad hamaaray Imaam nay hamain hukum diyaa kih in zaleel loagoan kay peechhay kabhi haath mat baandho (Nimaaz nah parrho) aur yih Hukum bhee diyaa kih in Zaalimoun (terrorists) main kabhi shaadi nah karo.

Rana sahib, ab Rona (weeping) kis baat kaa hay. Ab pachhtaa-aye kiyaa hot jab chirriyann (birds) chug ga-ien khhait. Aap Rana sahib please Jhhoot kaa sahaaraa nah liyaa karain. Isi say aap kay thread kay safhaat (pages) lambay hou-aye hain. main to chhutti par houn. Aap apnaa gumraahi kaa kaam jaari rakhhain.

rana_tipu - August 20, 2006 02:50 PM (GMT)
Aparthy sb. aap kahatay hain kah ahmedion pay kufir kay fatway 1910 say shuru houe, laiakin agar aap ahmadiyat ki tareekh daikhain to khud mirza sb. nay he ghiar ahmedion kay peechay namaz na parhana aur un say shadi na karna waghaira kay fatwas diye hain, aur mirza sb. kay na mananay walon ko wlad ul haram aur zuriatul baghiaya kaha hay, aur agar aap pay fatwa kufir muslmanon nay lagaya hay to woh aap logon kay he kiye houe samnay aa rahay hain. jin main sab say ziada haath mirza mahmood K 2 ka hay.

meraypass - August 20, 2006 08:15 PM (GMT)
Your own Sunni Mullahs have called Quaid e Azam, Kaffir e Azam and Pakistan, Na-Pakistan and Paleetistan. Hence making all of you pleets and na-pak and following a Kafir e Azam. When are you going to put any ban on your Sunni Mullahs?

Chaandni - August 20, 2006 08:43 PM (GMT)
Issi forum per chand roz qabbal kuch kitabain lagain gain. Un main eik kitab KALIMATUL-FASAL hay joe keh aap kay QAMARUL ANBIYA MIRZA BASHIR AHMED MA nay likhi. Bhut say sawaal National Assembly main Yahya Bhakhtiar nay iss kitaab say liye jiss main Tammaam Muslamanoan koe PAKKAY KAFIR kaha giya. Koi Sahib ya Sahiba iss kitaab say yeh hawalay cut and paste kar sakain toe nawazish hoe gi. Shukria.

aparthy - August 20, 2006 10:11 PM (GMT)


Aap ko patah hay kih aap kay loag is forum par pehlay hi tayyar baithay hain aur unkaa kaam hi yahi hay. Laikin aap nay woh hawaalay kiyoun managy hain. Yih Kitaab to bahut ba'ad ki hay. Asal baat 1890 A.D. say 1908 A.D. ki hay jab sab Mulla Hazrat Mirza sahib ko Kaafir Kaafir keh rahay thay. Woh hawaalay manganay thay.

Yahya bakhtiaar bay chaaraa, wakil ban kar uchhal uchhal kar hamaaray khalifah sahib par ilzaam lagaataa rahaa. Sab jhootay Ilzaam thay. Agar Kalimat ul Fasl say bhee houn to koie baat nahin. Jo kutchh wahaan likhhaa hay woh sach hi hogaa. Kionkih us waqat tak baat bahut aagay jaa chuki thee aur hamaaray khalifah sahib nay bhee un logoan ko jinhoun nay unkay waalid (Mirza sahib) ko kaafir kahaa thaa, Khalifah nay bhee unhain buri tarah say kaafir kahaa.. Baaqi ba'ad main..

Jab yahya bakhtiar kaa zikar aahi giyaa hay to koie uski baitee kaa bhee khiyaal karay kih woh bay chaaree kis apnay baitay kay husool kay kiyay maari maari adaaltoun main phirti rahi...

Ab rana sahib itnaa jhoot bhee nah bolain. Zuriya tu Baghaayaa Hazrat sahib nay app ko nahin kahaa. Aap ko bataa diyaa giyaa thaa kih yih un Eisaaion (christians) ko kahaa giyaa thaa jo nabi kareem s.a.w.s. ki wives ko gaaliyaan daitay thay. Aur sanullah amritsari nay aap ko gumraah kar rakhhaa hay aur asal haqiqat say door lay giyaa hay. Hazrat sahib kaa lafaz zuriyat ul Baghaayaa amritsari par zaroor sadiq aataa hay magar, rana sahib, aap par nahin. Haan agar aap khud apnay par laagoo kar lain to khushi say karain.

Isi Tarah Rana sahib, aap kaa yih bhee jhoot hay kih yih kufar waali baat hazrat Mirza sahib nay ki hay. Woh to har aik ko manah kartay rahay magar Mulla baaz nahin aa-aye. To phir unkaa bhee haqq hay kih woh bhee sab ko kaafir keh dain. Phir aap kion roatay hain. Kiyaa aap ko mirza sahib kaa yih kaafir waalaa lafaz buraa lagaa hay. Dukh to bahut houaa hoga yih lafaz sun kar, tabhhe to ab tak chillaa rahay hain.. Jab aap logoan nay doosaray ko kafir kahaa to aap ko barra mazaa aayaa. Jab doosaray nay aap ko kaafir kahaa to aap ko kaafir kaa ma'anaa samajh aayaa aur bahut dukh houaa.

Dunyaa aap ki tarah bay bay waqoof nahin hay. Yih apnaa bad tameezi aur jhoot waalaa dhandah chorrain.

meraypass - August 20, 2006 11:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chaandni @ Aug 20 2006, 08:43 PM)
Issi forum per chand roz qabbal kuch kitabain lagain gain. Un main eik kitab KALIMATUL-FASAL hay joe keh aap kay QAMARUL ANBIYA MIRZA BASHIR AHMED MA nay likhi. Bhut say sawaal National Assembly main Yahya Bhakhtiar nay iss kitaab say liye jiss main Tammaam Muslamanoan koe PAKKAY KAFIR kaha giya. Koi Sahib ya Sahiba iss kitaab say yeh hawalay cut and paste kar sakain toe nawazish hoe gi. Shukria.


As usual when Sunnis get stuck they change the topic.

On the same subject, Sunnis say all sort of things against Shias besides killing them as well and Shias say all sort of things against Sunnis besides killing them. Some shias even say hateful things about some sahab e rasul. When is your assembly going to declare sunnis and shias something?

Obviously the whole assembly thing is nothing but bigotry targeting a set of people merely for their different but peaceful believes, which is clearly against the principles of human rights, making it clear that Sunnis have no respect for human rights and are therefore unfit to live with the rest of the mankind.

meri-dua - August 21, 2006 01:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chaandni @ Aug 20 2006, 08:43 PM)
Issi forum per chand roz qabbal kuch kitabain lagain gain. Un main eik kitab KALIMATUL-FASAL hay joe keh aap kay QAMARUL ANBIYA MIRZA BASHIR AHMED MA nay likhi. Bhut say sawaal National Assembly main Yahya Bhakhtiar nay iss kitaab say liye jiss main Tammaam Muslamanoan koe PAKKAY KAFIR kaha giya. Koi Sahib ya Sahiba iss kitaab say yeh hawalay cut and paste kar sakain toe nawazish hoe gi. Shukria.

Ms chandni welcome to the forum...khairr aap ne wo kitab padh li hai, to usey khud copy and paste keriey...humai bih andaza ho, aap kehna kiya chahte hain!

rana_tipu - August 21, 2006 06:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (meraypass @ Aug 21 2006, 02:15 AM)
Your own Sunni Mullahs have called Quaid e Azam, Kaffir e Azam and Pakistan, Na-Pakistan and Paleetistan. Hence making all of you pleets and na-pak and following a Kafir e Azam. When are you going to put any ban on your Sunni Mullahs?

Quiad e azam ko kafir koun khata raha hay iss ki aik choti si misal main day daita hoon baqi aap kafi samjhdar hain. :rotfl:

JAB QUAID E AZAM WAFAT PA GAYE TO SIR ZAFAR ULLAH KHAN NAY UN KI NAMZ E JANAZA NAHIN PARHI KION NAHIN PARHI YEH MAIN AAP SAY SAWAL NAHIN KAR RAHA AAP KHUD SAMJHDAR HIAN

meraypass - August 21, 2006 08:56 PM (GMT)

But unlike Sunni Mullahs who were staunch opponents of Pakistan (yes your own country) and Quaid e Azam (your own founder of Pakistan), Ch Zafarulla Khan (whose feet's dust you are not comparable to) was Quaid e Azam's right hand man and helped him in his work towards creation of Pakistan. Here is one link where Ch Zafarulla Khan is sitting next to the Quaid e Azam and your Mullahs and even your so called "Allama" Iqbal are not; http://www.storyofpakistan.com/articletext.asp?artid=A039

Quaid e Azam was aware of Ch Zafarulla Khan’s believes and not only did not mind them but also respected him for his integrity. The only one who has problem with Ch Zafarulla Khan’s believes are your Sunni Mullahs (Maudoodi etc.), the staunch enemy’s of Pakistan and Quaid e Azam.

What Ch Zafarulla Khan did was what any self respecting person would do that is follow his believes just like a Shia is not obliged to pray behind a Sunni and vice versa or even some deobandis don't pray behind brelvis and vice versa. Just like a Sunni member of parliament in UK is not required to pray in a church or with Toni Blair just because he has an official position in UK government. This is called freedom of religion, a concept unfamiliar to you Sunnis.

On the other hand what your Sunni Mullahs did i.e. to openly call Quaid e Azam, Kaffir e Azam and Pakistan, Paleedistan and Na-Pakistan was to insult and to show contempt towards Quaid e Azam, Pakistan and the people of Pakistan, as Muslims of the time were smarter than you and choose to follow Quaid e Azam instead of Maudoodi. The result being they got Pakistan. Only a Sunni bigot like you would not understand that.

Here is quote from Quaid e Azam's speech, note the text in bold;

QUOTE
You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.

Mr. Jinnah's presidential address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan
August 11, 1947

http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/legislat..._11aug1947.html


Chaandni - August 22, 2006 02:19 AM (GMT)
Shukria Ms Meri Dua, iss say pehley keh yahan koi hawala pesh kia jaaye, mera sawaal aap loagoan say yeh hai keh joe Fatwa-e-Kufar tamaam Musalmanoan kay liye aap ki Jamaat kay Khalifoan bilkhasoos Mirza Mahmud Ahmed Khalifa 2 aur un kay bhai Mirza Bashir Ahmed MA ki taraf say kiye gaye kiss madd main kiye gaye. Kiya aap kay Nabi joe kay aap ki jamat kay baani hain unki taraf say bhi aisa fatwa koi aaya? Agar hay toe yahan pesh kar dain. Baaqi baatain baad main hoan gee.

Allah Hafiz.




meraypass - August 22, 2006 02:29 AM (GMT)
Chaandni, Sunnis are by and large stupid but you take the gold medal for stupidity even by Sunni standard. What is the purpose of you asking the above question? Exactly what is your problem with anyone calling anyone else Kafir? All sects of Islam call each other Kafir. Not only that, Sunnis and Shias even kill each other as well and have been doing it for centuries. Why does your assembly not declare anything against Shias and Sunnis for calling others kaffir and for killing each other? Why do you not see a problem with your own Sunni Mullahs and keep talking about what Ahmadis may or may not say? If you have a reference please present here if not don't expect others to do the work for you. You have a problem, not others.

How old are you anyway? Do you live in a city or village? Are you straight from a Sunni deenee madrassa where they make donkeys out of otherwise perfectly good children?

Chaandni - August 22, 2006 02:13 PM (GMT)
Meraypass Urdu Please !!!!!!!

Agar Urdu nahi aati toe maazrat kar lain aap kay saath Angraizi forum per baat ho sakti hai. Kam az kam apnay forum hi kay qwaneen kaa pass karain.

Mera koi masala nahi hay. Aap kay baroan nay Jumla Muslamanoan ko Kafir Kaha aur Rabwah Railway Station per Muslamaan larkoan ki Hockey team say pitai karwa dee. Agar Muslamaan aap ki iss bhoondi harkat per sulag gaye aur choonkay Musalmaan aksariyyaat main thay lihaza aap koe daboach liya. Aap kay Jahil Khalifa joe keh aap ka apni Jihalat aur kam ilmi ki wajah say apni Jamaat ka defense sahih na kar saka to iss main doosray Muslmanoan kaa kiya qasoor. National Assembly nay toe aap koe 11 din achi tarah upnay defense kaa maoqa diya magar aap ki jamaat kay Khuda kay banaye huwe numainday aisay naaliaq niklay keh Yahya Bhakhtiar jasiay dunyadaar attorney say Shikast khaa gaye. Yahya Bakhtiar nay aap koe aap kaa apna aina dikha diya.

Abb toe aap Qiyamat tak Pakistan main Musalmaan nahi kehlwa saktay.

Aap meri umar pooch kar zaati swaal kiyun kar rahay hain. Meri Taleem yaqeenan aap say bhut ziyada hay. Apna baiwaqoofi ka Gold Medal apnay pass rakhain. Aap ko mubarik hoe.

meri-dua - August 23, 2006 02:45 PM (GMT)
mr chandni, ahmadi ne ager kisi muslim ko kafir kaih diya to aap usko yaha per itne josh se bian kerahi hain.. jabkai PAkistan ki hakoomat ne ahmadis ko kaise kaise ZULm kerke kafir theraeya aur pihr itna bih kafi nahi tha kai... kalma padhne waalou ko, namaz padhne waalou ko aur pata nahi kitne masoomou ko baghair kisi jurm kai MOT ki sazaa suna di...shame on Muslims like you!

rana_tipu - August 23, 2006 04:38 PM (GMT)
Good Miss Chandni kaafi Knowledge hay Mashallah aap ka. Mera khayal hay meri to zaroorat nahin hay,

Waisay meri Taraf say welcome to the board :rose: :rose:

meri-dua - August 25, 2006 07:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (rana_tipu @ Aug 23 2006, 04:38 PM)
Good Miss Chandni kaafi Knowledge hay Mashallah aap ka. Mera khayal hay meri to zaroorat nahin hay,

Waisay meri Taraf say welcome to the board :rose: :rose:

:D2 lagta hai aap apne aap ko hi welcome kerahe hain

rana_tipu - August 25, 2006 03:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (meri-dua @ Aug 25 2006, 01:45 PM)
QUOTE (rana_tipu @ Aug 23 2006, 04:38 PM)
Good Miss Chandni kaafi Knowledge hay Mashallah aap ka. Mera khayal hay meri to zaroorat nahin hay,

Waisay meri Taraf say welcome to the board  :rose:  :rose:

:D2 lagta hai aap apne aap ko hi welcome kerahe hain

:rose: :rose: now for you meri dua jee


hum to har naye aanay walay kay liye pholon ka tohfa he rakhtay hian

sarmad - August 26, 2006 03:18 PM (GMT)
Anhazrat :saw: nay 1,400 saal pehlay farma dia tha kay aik waqat aai ga kay Musalmannon kay 73 firqay ho jain gay. Aik Hidayat per aur BAQI TAMAM 72 Gumrahee per hongay.

Asal main Allah Tala Ki Qudrat nay is Hadess ko bari shaan say shacha sabit karna tha. Lehaza Allah Tala nay 72 Gumrah Firqoon kay tamam Mullaon ko Jama karkay Pakistani Assymblee say ya faisla karwaya kay SIRAF QADINANI AIK TARAF HAIN AUR BAQI TAMAM (72) FIRQAY DOOSARI TARAF hain. Aur yaon 1 firqa 72 Firqon say alag aur mumtaz kia gaya. Allah-ho-Akbar.

Zahir hay kay Faisala Hadhrat Muhammad :saw: ka chalay ga Terrorist Mullaon ka nahain. Ya Hadhrat Muhammad :saw: ka faisala hay kay "1" Hidayat per aur "72" gumrah hongay. Daikhain isee Pakistan kay Musalmonoon ka Akhbar Nawa-e-Waqat KHUD openly likhta hay kay "QADIANI" AIK aur BAQI TAMAM FIRQAY "72" hain.


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Shabnam - August 26, 2006 03:22 PM (GMT)
Ahmadiyyat Islam Zindabaad :alhumd:

Chaandni - August 26, 2006 06:21 PM (GMT)
Mr Meri Dua nay likha hay...


mr chandni, ahmadi ne ager kisi muslim ko kafir kaih diya to aap usko yaha per itne josh se bian kerahi hain


Meri Dua aap ko shaid apnay baani ki taleem bhool chuki hai. Aap kay Haqiqi Nabi aur Rasool Mirza Ghulam Ahmad liktay hain keh joe kisi Kalima-go ko Kafir kehta hai to kufar us ki apni taraf loat jaata hai. Lehaza issi farmaan kay mutabiq toe aap keh Musleh Maud aur Qamarul-Anbiya Kafir bulkay PAKKAY KAFIR khud bakhud bann gaye!!!!!!!!!

sarmad - August 27, 2006 08:42 AM (GMT)
Chaadni, kia non-ahmadi Hadhrat Mirza Sahib (A.S) ka inkar (Kufar) nahain kartay??? Yaqeenan kartay hain aur baray fakhar say kartay hain. So hum Ahmadi Non-Ahmadi ko jab Kafar kahtay hain tau ya Haqeeqat bian kartay hain kay wo Maseeh Maood (A.S) kay Kafir hain yani un ka inkar kartay hain jo kay aik aisee haqeeqat hay jis ka non-Ahmadi baray fakhar say iqrar kartay hain. Mukhtasir ya kay hum Ahmadi non-ahmadis ko Anhazrat :saw: ya Kalimay ka KAFAR nahain kehtay.

Magar jab Mullah aur un kay chaalay ahmadion ko KAFAR kehtay hain tau bilkul jhoot booltay hain kionkay wo hamain Anhazrat :saw: aur Kalmay ka Kafir kehtay hain. Choonkay hum in doonoon baaton ka inkar (Yani Kufur) nahain kartay is liay ya jhoota ilzam laganay walay hadees kay mutabiq khud KAFIR (yani anhazoor kay wazah farman ko jhutla kar khud aap :saw: kay kafir) ho jatay hain.

meri-dua - August 29, 2006 06:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (True Ahmedi @ Aug 28 2006, 05:38 PM)
[COLOR=blue] mujhay samajh nahee aatee kih aakhir hamaray log ioon bilawajah dertay hain aor haqeeqat say inkaar kernay ki koshish ker kay Hazrat Mirza sahab ki taleemaat say inhirafv kertay hain. Haaan yih baat such hai kih hazrat mirza sahab nay 1901 aor us say pehlay he ghair ahmedioon say mukammal alaihidgi ka ailaan ker diyaa tha. Jo Ahmedi sahibaan Hazrat Mirza Sahab ki kitaboon say waqfiyat nahi rakhtay un kay liay yih hawalay hazir hain. Khuda kiliay parhain aor in per amal karain, khamkaah buzdiloon ki tarah chupna acha nahi. Aakhir yih kaonsa falsifa hai kih khud hi hazrat mirza sahab ki kitaboon ka inkaar kia jaye. Sharam atee hai mujhay aisay lgonoo ko ahmedi kehtay hoay jo un logoon ko khamkhah muselmaan sabit kernay ki koshihs kertay hain jinhoon nay Allah kay Rasool ka inkaar kia aor usay galiaan deen. Kia aap nay Quraan nahi parha kih jo Allah kay kisi bhui rasool ka inkaar karain gaye woh Non Muslim hain? Yahi fatwa Hazrat Mirza Sahab, Hazrat Khalifatl Awal & Sani nay khulam khulla byaan kia haie. All ahmedies please read folwoing extracts:
"This is strange that you consider the person who rejects me and the person who calls me Kafir as two different persons, whereas in the eyes of God he is the same type; because he who does not accept me is because he considers me a fabricator.... apart from this, he who does not accept me, he does not believe in God and His Prophet as well, because there is God92s and his Prophet's prophecy regarding me"
(Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol.22 p.167)

"It is our obligation that we do not consider non-ahmadis as muslims and do not pray behind them, because for us they have rejected one prophet (Mirza Ghulam) of God. This is a religious matter and no one has any right to do anything in it."
(Anwar-e-Khilafat, by Hazrat Khalifa Sani :aaba: , p.90)
"God has revealed to me that anyone to whom my message has reached and he has not accepted me , he is not a muslim."
(Letter of Hazrat Mirza Sahab :as: Dr. Abdul Hakeem Khan Patialvi, Roohani Khazain, Tazkirah Ilhaam March 1906)
"All those who did not swear allegiance to the promised Masih, even though they did not hear the name of the Promised Masih, are Kafir and debarred from the fold of Islam."
(Aiena-e-Sadaqat, page 35, by Hazrat Mirza Mahmud Ahmad :aaba: ).

I wonder why young ahmedies of these days are afraid to openly declares the same faith about non-belivers as it was preached by Hazrat Mirza Sahab and selected Khalifa?

Please all ahmedies should take account of ourselves and ask the question "Do we really belive Maseeh AalihiSallam"?

Salam,

aap ne "rasool" ka lafz kiou use kiya hai?

Shabnam - August 30, 2006 06:48 AM (GMT)
Salam brother in Islam,

may i ask u one question plss !? are u muslim? if yes, ap´ka imaan keya he, ap konse firqa ko mante he, there are 72 ( ahmadi firqa ke ilawa ) .
:jzk: :)

Jarriullah - August 31, 2006 06:08 PM (GMT)
:bismillah: MERY DUAA JEE I THINK SOME OF MY POST ARE BEING DELETED.

MAIN NAY RASOOL KAY LAFZ IS LIAY USE KIAY KIH MIRZA SAHAB EK RASOOL THAY.........AP KO NAHI MALOOM TO MERA KIA QASOOR?

mrd - October 17, 2006 05:12 AM (GMT)
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