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sid - July 5, 2006 11:41 AM (GMT)
baraaimaharbani is link ko click karan. shukriya.

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sid - July 6, 2006 01:13 PM (GMT)
KIYA KOI BATA SAKTA HAY MIRZA SAHIB KE MOUT KISS BIMARI SAY HOI?

KIYA HAZAY SAY HOI?

Malik - July 6, 2006 02:33 PM (GMT)
:salam:

Dear Sid bhai,

Hazrat Masih Maud AS ki wafaat hargiz HAIZAH say nahi hui. Wafat kay waqat Mir Nasir Nawab kay aur Amma Jaan kay ilawa Lahore Ahmadiyya Building main jahan Hazrat Kay aakhri din guzray, Hazrat Maulvi Noor-ud-Din, Maulvi Mohammad Ali, Dr Mirza Yaqub Baig, Amrohi Sahib aur Khawaja Kamal-ud-Din aur doosray Lahore kay membraan maojoo thay. Hazrat Sahib kay tabut koe Lahore say Qadian bazariah Train lay jayaa giya. Agar unki wafat haizah say hui hoti toe un dinoen main WABAI HAIZAH say wafat shudah laash ko transport karnay ki ijazat naa thi. Doosray bhut zaroori samjoon gaa keh mazeed iss baray main wazahat karoon. Yeh khabar haizah say wafat wali sirf Mir Nasir Nawab kay moonh say sunni gai yaa phir Majliss Ihrar kay dafter koe kah Ahmadiyya Building kay qareeb tha nikli. Maulvi Noor-ud-Din, Khwajah Kamal-ud-Din, Mohammadi Ali yaa Amrohi Sahib nay toe Masih Maud ki zubaan say yeh alfaaz nahi sunay. Lehaza yeh BEPARKI sirf aur sirf Mir Nasir Nawab nay urai aur unhoan nay hi Majlis Iherar koe itlaa dee aur phir Hazrat Sahib kay baitay Mirza Bashir Ahmed MA, Qamarul Anbiyya nay Maulvi Noor-ud-Din ki wafaat kay baad Seeratul Mahdi likh ker iss baat koe qalam
band kiya keh " MIR SAHIB MUJHAY WABAI HAIZAH HOE GIYA HAI ".Yeh sabb seena gazzette khabar Mir Nasir Nawab joe kay Hazrat Sahib kjay sussar thay nay urai.

Umeed hai keh baat clear hoe gai hay.



:bravo:


meri-dua - July 6, 2006 03:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sid @ Jul 6 2006, 01:13 PM)
KIYA KOI BATA SAKTA HAY MIRZA SAHIB KE MOUT KISS BIMARI SAY HOI?

KIYA HAZAY SAY HOI?

Apki tarah kai doosre logou ka jaab "Bimaari" ka sawaal kerne ka shoq hota hai to aap logou apne molvi hazraaat se yeh kabih poochaain kai bimaari aur insaan ka aapis mai kiya taaluq hai. Kal Geo Tv per aalim online mai aapkai aik molvi issi sawaal ka jawaab de rahe the kai "bimari bih rehmat hai, jo shakhs 40 dino tak bimaar nahi hota , to wo samjh le kai khuda uss se raazi nahi hai. aur khuda tallah apne bandou ko hi bimaar kerta hai, aur pihr shifaa deta hai. "

aab aap sochiey yehi molvi jaab aap jaise Baifqoof logou ko mazeed Befaqoof banaatey hain to yeh sikhaate hain kai naauzbillah Hazrat Massih Maud a.s. bimaariou ki wajah se Khuda kai nabi nahi hosakte. Jaab khuda tallah apne aam bande per yeh bimaariyaa daalta hai to aap kai khiyaal mai Nabiou per nahi daaley ga???
aur jo bimaari bih aiy wo khuda tallah ne aakhir shifaa di. lekin aap logou ki soch itne mehdood hai kai aap log yeh baat samjhne kai "LAAIQ" nahi hain.


sid - July 6, 2006 04:56 PM (GMT)
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lekin aap logou ki soch itne mehdood hai kai aap log yeh baat samjhne kai "LAAIQ" nahi hain.


:D2

sid - July 6, 2006 05:00 PM (GMT)
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Wafat kay waqat Mir Nasir Nawab kay aur Amma Jaan kay ilawa Lahore Ahmadiyya Building main jahan Hazrat Kay aakhri din guzray, Hazrat Maulvi Noor-ud-Din, Maulvi Mohammad Ali, Dr Mirza Yaqub Baig, Amrohi Sahib aur Khawaja Kamal-ud-Din aur doosray Lahore kay membraan maojoo thay.


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phir Hazrat Sahib kay baitay Mirza Bashir Ahmed MA, Qamarul Anbiyya nay Maulvi Noor-ud-Din ki wafaat kay baad Seeratul Mahdi likh ker iss baat koe qalam
band kiya keh " MIR SAHIB MUJHAY WABAI HAIZAH HOE GIYA HAI ".


tu malik sahib app ye kahna chatay hain kay qamar-ul-anbiya aur amma jan nay jhoot riwayat ke hay. kay main sahi samjha hon.

aparthy - July 6, 2006 07:43 PM (GMT)


maulvi in sab ko jhootay sabaq bataa rahay hain. Kahaan likhhaa hay kih Nabi beemaar nahin hotay. Yih sab jhoot hay aur maulvi nay ghharaa hay. Quraan majeed main nabi Allah hazrat Ayyub a.s. kaa haal likhhaa hay kih woh kaisay sakht beemar houyay kih sabb maal daulat chali gay-ee aur family bhee choarr gay-ee... Quraan ko daikh lain to inki baat ki bunyaad hi khatam ho jaatee hay.

rana_tipu - July 7, 2006 06:19 AM (GMT)
Baat Nabion ki bemmari ke nahin hay balkah iss baat pay ho rahi hay kah mirza sb. haiza kay maraz say fout houe ya kissi aur wajah say.

agar chah iss kay jawab main meer nasir sb. ke rewaiayt bilkul wazieh hay laikin aik choti see baat main aap logon say share karna chahta hoon kah agar kissi banday ko dast bhi ho rahay hoon aur qaaay (womating) bhi ho rahi ho to kay woh haiza nahin hota.

aur rahi baat kah mirza sb. ko bukhtalif beemarin theen to janab yeh koi aisee baat nahin kah banda iss pay bahas karay kah unhain yeh bimarin kion theen.

laikin aagr aap thora tafseel main jain to mirza sb. ki mout ba marez haiza un ki apni aik dua kay nateeay main hoi jo kah unhon nay apni mout say thora arsa pehlay shaid moulvi sana ullah amartasri kay aur apnay dermaiya jhoutay aur sachay ka faisala karnay kay liye khuda say mangi thee.

iss dua kay same ilfaz mujhay yaad nahin laikin itna zaroor yaad hay kah mirza sb. nay khuda say yehi dua mangi thee kah jo jhouta hay woh sachay ke zindagi main he halak ho ga aur uss ki mout haiza say ho gee.

so yeh mirza sb. ki dua ka he nateeja hay kah mirza sb. ko haiza houa aur siraf aik din main woh fout hou gaye koin kah marnay say aik din pehlay tak woh achay bhalay thay, aur 25 may ki issha ki namaz tak un i tabiyat theek the, laikin achanak dast aur qaaaay shuru houe aur subah tak wafat pa gaye.

ab dast aur qaaaay aur iss kay baad wafat yeh tamaam baat siraf aur siraf haizay ka he pata daitee hain, na kah siraf aur siraf ishal ka, agarchah meer nasir sb. nay to saaf likh diya laikin agar yeh sach hay to moulvi sana allah amartsri kay baray main jo dua mangi gayee uss ka kaya houa , kissi aik ko to marna he tha aur marna bhi uss shakhas ko tha jo kah jhouta ho so agar mirza sb. maray gaye to iss ka saff matlab mirza sb. ki apni dua kay hisab say yehi banta hay kah jhouta sachay ki zindagi main haizay kay maraz say fout ho gaya.

aur rahi baat malik sb. ki

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Hazrat Sahib kay tabut koe Lahore say Qadian bazariah Train lay jayaa giya. Agar unki wafat haizah say hui hoti toe un dinoen main WABAI HAIZAH say wafat shudah laash ko transport karnay ki ijazat naa thi.


mailk sb. uss dour main jaisa kah aap bhi jantay hain kah angraizon ki hakoomat thee, aur aap yeh bhi jantay hian kah mirza sb. kay paas angraiz hakoomat ke sanad shuda tahreerain thein jin main un ki wafadari angraiz sarkar aaliaa say sabit thee, to malik sb. aisssee sourat main train pay lay janay ki ijazat daina aisa koi bara mushkil kaam na tha.


Shukria

aparthy - July 7, 2006 05:23 PM (GMT)


Beemaari ki baat nahin ho rahi to kiyah ho rahaa hay. Sawaal yihuthaayaa jaa rahaa hay kih hazrat Mirza sahib ki wafat kaisay hou-ee, kis beemari say hou-ee. Aqalmand aadami poochh saktaa hay kih aap ko kiyaah zaroorat paish aagayee sahib.

Dil min to aap logon kay yahi hay kih aik paighambar ki beemari kaa sawaal uthhaa kar mazaaq urraayaa jaa-aye. jaisay Nabi kabhi beemaar hi nahin houay. To yih kaisay beemaar hogaye.

zara soach say kaam lain to patah chalaygaa kihbeemaari sab kay saath lagi hou-ee hay aur Hazrat sahib ki umar bhee bahut thee.. To mehrabaani karkay koie aqal ki baat chalaain. Khudaa Hafiz...

rana_tipu - July 8, 2006 07:51 AM (GMT)
Aparthy sb. Said

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Beemaari ki baat nahin ho rahi to kiyah ho rahaa hay. Sawaal yihuthaayaa jaa rahaa hay kih hazrat Mirza sahib ki wafat kaisay hou-ee, kis beemari say hou-ee. Aqalmand aadami poochh saktaa hay kih aap ko kiyaah zaroorat paish aagayee sahib.

Dil min to aap logon kay yahi hay kih aik paighambar ki beemari kaa sawaal uthhaa kar mazaaq urraayaa jaa-aye. jaisay Nabi kabhi beemaar hi nahin houay. To yih kaisay beemaar hogaye.

zara soach say kaam lain to patah chalaygaa kihbeemaari sab kay saath lagi hou-ee hay aur Hazrat sahib ki umar bhee bahut thee.. To mehrabaani karkay koie aqal ki baat chalaain. Khudaa Hafiz...



Baat Nabion ki bemmari ke nahin hay balkah iss baat pay ho rahi hay kah mirza sb. haiza kay maraz say fout houe ya kissi aur wajah say.

agarchah iss kay jawab main meer nasir sb. ke rewaiayt bilkul wazieh hay laikin aik choti see baat main aap logon say share karna chahta hoon kah agar kissi banday ko dast bhi ho rahay hoon aur qaaay (womating) bhi ho rahi ho to kay woh haiza nahin hota.

aur rahi baat kah mirza sb. ko bukhtalif beemarin theen to janab yeh koi aisee baat nahin kah banda iss pay bahas karay kah unhain yeh bimarin kion theen.

laikin aagr aap thora tafseel main jain to mirza sb. ki mout ba marez haiza un ki apni aik dua kay nateeay main hoi jo kah unhon nay apni mout say thora arsa pehlay shaid moulvi sana ullah amartasri kay aur apnay dermaiya jhoutay aur sachay ka faisala karnay kay liye khuda say mangi thee.

iss dua kay same ilfaz mujhay yaad nahin laikin itna zaroor yaad hay kah mirza sb. nay khuda say yehi dua mangi thee kah jo jhouta hay woh sachay ke zindagi main he halak ho ga aur uss ki mout haiza say ho gee.

so yeh mirza sb. ki dua ka he nateeja hay kah mirza sb. ko haiza houa aur siraf aik din main woh fout hou gaye koin kah marnay say aik din pehlay tak woh achay bhalay thay, aur 25 may ki issha ki namaz tak un i tabiyat theek the, laikin achanak dast aur qaaaay shuru houe aur subah tak wafat pa gaye.

ab dast aur qaaaay aur iss kay baad wafat yeh tamaam baat siraf aur siraf haizay ka he pata daitee hain, na kah siraf aur siraf ishal ka, agarchah meer nasir sb. nay to saaf likh diya laikin agar yeh sach hay to moulvi sana allah amartsri kay baray main jo dua mangi gayee uss ka kaya houa , kissi aik ko to marna he tha aur marna bhi uss shakhas ko tha jo kah jhouta ho so agar mirza sb. maray gaye to iss ka saff matlab mirza sb. ki apni dua kay hisab say yehi banta hay kah jhouta sachay ki zindagi main haizay kay maraz say fout ho gaya.


meri-dua - July 8, 2006 03:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (rana_tipu @ Jul 8 2006, 07:51 AM)
Aparthy sb. Said

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Beemaari ki baat nahin ho rahi to kiyah ho rahaa hay. Sawaal yihuthaayaa jaa rahaa hay kih hazrat Mirza sahib ki wafat kaisay hou-ee, kis beemari say hou-ee. Aqalmand aadami poochh saktaa hay kih aap ko kiyaah zaroorat paish aagayee sahib.

Dil min to aap logon kay yahi hay kih aik paighambar ki beemari kaa sawaal uthhaa kar mazaaq urraayaa jaa-aye. jaisay Nabi kabhi beemaar hi nahin houay. To yih kaisay beemaar hogaye.

zara soach say kaam lain to patah chalaygaa kihbeemaari sab kay saath lagi hou-ee hay aur Hazrat sahib ki umar bhee bahut thee.. To mehrabaani karkay koie aqal ki baat chalaain. Khudaa Hafiz...



Baat Nabion ki bemmari ke nahin hay balkah iss baat pay ho rahi hay kah mirza sb. haiza kay maraz say fout houe ya kissi aur wajah say.

agarchah iss kay jawab main meer nasir sb. ke rewaiayt bilkul wazieh hay laikin aik choti see baat main aap logon say share karna chahta hoon kah agar kissi banday ko dast bhi ho rahay hoon aur qaaay (womating) bhi ho rahi ho to kay woh haiza nahin hota.

aur rahi baat kah mirza sb. ko bukhtalif beemarin theen to janab yeh koi aisee baat nahin kah banda iss pay bahas karay kah unhain yeh bimarin kion theen.

laikin aagr aap thora tafseel main jain to mirza sb. ki mout ba marez haiza un ki apni aik dua kay nateeay main hoi jo kah unhon nay apni mout say thora arsa pehlay shaid moulvi sana ullah amartasri kay aur apnay dermaiya jhoutay aur sachay ka faisala karnay kay liye khuda say mangi thee.

iss dua kay same ilfaz mujhay yaad nahin laikin itna zaroor yaad hay kah mirza sb. nay khuda say yehi dua mangi thee kah jo jhouta hay woh sachay ke zindagi main he halak ho ga aur uss ki mout haiza say ho gee.

so yeh mirza sb. ki dua ka he nateeja hay kah mirza sb. ko haiza houa aur siraf aik din main woh fout hou gaye koin kah marnay say aik din pehlay tak woh achay bhalay thay, aur 25 may ki issha ki namaz tak un i tabiyat theek the, laikin achanak dast aur qaaaay shuru houe aur subah tak wafat pa gaye.

ab dast aur qaaaay aur iss kay baad wafat yeh tamaam baat siraf aur siraf haizay ka he pata daitee hain, na kah siraf aur siraf ishal ka, agarchah meer nasir sb. nay to saaf likh diya laikin agar yeh sach hay to moulvi sana allah amartsri kay baray main jo dua mangi gayee uss ka kaya houa , kissi aik ko to marna he tha aur marna bhi uss shakhas ko tha jo kah jhouta ho so agar mirza sb. maray gaye to iss ka saff matlab mirza sb. ki apni dua kay hisab say yehi banta hay kah jhouta sachay ki zindagi main haizay kay maraz say fout ho gaya.

Hayiaat-e-taiybaa mai iski poori tafseel iss link per padh lain:




http://www.alislam.org/urdu/pdf/5.php



rana_tipu - July 10, 2006 05:35 AM (GMT)
Meri Dua Jee said

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Hayiaat-e-taiybaa mai iski poori tafseel iss link per padh lain:




http://www.alislam.org/urdu/pdf/5.php


Aap please iss ko idhar paste he kar dain takah baqi log bhi mustafeed ho sakain

aparthy - July 10, 2006 07:04 AM (GMT)


Tipu Sahib Ab baat samajh aaga-ee hay kih aap logon nay yih beemaari kaa mua'amlah kion uthhayaa hay. Shukriyya, kionkih iskay Zariyah hamain bhee sachee baat bataanay kaa mauqah mil giyaa hay.

Pehli baat yaad rakhain kih Hazrat Aqdas say muqaablah (Mubaahilah) karkay bahut say (100 say ziaadah) maulvi mar gaye thay jin ki list bahut lambi hay. Ab is post par un sab maulvionkay naam bhee ham likhain gay. Agar aap Maulvi Sanaullah sahib ki baat nah kartay to aap kay liyay achhaa thaa. Un maulvion kay naam to (naam banaam) ba'ad main paish karaingay. Siraf Sanaullah kaa naam hi kion ho. Baaqion kaa kiyaa qasoor hay jo bay shumaar maulvi haizay aur Ta'aoon say maray thay.

Sanaullah to faraar ikhtiyaar kar giyaa thaa. baar baar Hazrat sahib nay usay mubaahilah kayliyay bulaayaa magar woh darr giyaa aur nahin maanaa. Yih baat apkay ustaad Junaab Doctor Ghulam Jeelani Burq (Bijli) sahib nay bhee uthha-ee hay. Magar baray bhonday Tareeqah say.

Woh (doctor burq) kehtay hain kih "Sanaullah ki taraf say koie tehreer is baaray main likhhee gayee yaa nahin yih mujhhay ma'aloom nahin hay.." Ab daikhain doctor sahib (aur ab Tipu bhee) do pehlawaanoun ki baat kar rahay hain laikin unhain siraf aik pehlawaan ki tehreeroun kaa patah hay. Doosary pehlawaan (Sanaullah) kay baaray main unkay pass koie tehreer hi nahin. To phir chup rahain. Yih kiyaa baat hoie kih Hazrat sahib ki baat say Hazrat sahib ko hi Ghalat sabit kar rahay hain !!! Kiyaa yih insaaf hay.

Sahi aur sachee baat yahi hay kih sanaullah bhhaag giyaa thaa aur muqaabalh main nahin aayaa thaa. Usnay likhhaa thaa kih mujhhay yih tumhaari (Mirza sahib ki) tehreer muqaabilah manzoor nahin.... waghairah... Aur usnay duhaa-ee dee kih kion Hazrat sahib nay mubaahilah kiaa hay..




aparthy - July 10, 2006 07:16 AM (GMT)


Daikh lain, Tipu Sahib ko Duaa kay alfaaz yaad nahin.

[ iss dua kay same ilfaz mujhay yaad nahin laikin itna zaroor yaad hay kah mirza sb. nay khuda say yehi dua mangi thee kah jo jhouta hay woh sachay ke zindagi main he halak ho ga aur uss ki mout haiza say ho gee. ]

Aur Maulvi Sanaullah ki koie baat bhee inhain yaad nahin. To ham bataa daytay hain. Maulvi sahib nay kahaa thaa kih jhhotaa sachchay kay ba'ad zindah rehtaa hay aur sanaullah nay Musailamah Kazzaab ki misaal dee thee kih woh nabi akram s.a.w.s. kay ba'ad zindah rahaa thaa.

Sanaullah kaa sab kaam hi jhhoota thaa. Laikin yih baat sach keh giyaa kih jhhootaa sachay kay ba'ad martaa hay. Baaqi Aaindah..

rana_tipu - July 11, 2006 06:34 AM (GMT)
Aparthy sb. said

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Aur Maulvi Sanaullah ki koie baat bhee inhain yaad nahin. To ham bataa daytay hain. Maulvi sahib nay kahaa thaa kih jhhotaa sachchay kay ba'ad zindah rehtaa hay aur sanaullah nay Musailamah Kazzaab ki misaal dee thee kih woh nabi akram s.a.w.s. kay ba'ad zindah rahaa thaa.


Kya aap iss ka koi reference mirza sb. ki kissi kitab say daina pasand karain gay .

Jahan Tak Moulvi Sanna Ullah Amrtasari sb. ki zindagi aur mout ki baat hay to mirza sb. kay baqool

PASS AGAR WOH SAZA JO INSAN KAY HAATHON SAY NAHIN BALKAH MAHAZ KHUDA KAY HAATHON SAY HAY, JAISAY TAOUN HAIZA WAGHAIRA MOHLIK BIMARIAN WAGHAIRA AAP PAR MERI ZINDAGI MAIN WARID NA HOIN TO MAIN KHUDA TALA KE TARAF SAY NAHIN, YEH KISSI ILHAM YA PAISHGOI KI TARAF SAY NAHIN BALKAH MAHAZ DUA KAY TOR PAY KHUDA SAY MAIN NAY FAISALA CHAHA HAY, AUR MAIN KHUDA SAY DUA KARTA HOON KAH A MERAY MALIK AGAR YEH DAWA MAEEH MAOOD HONAY KA MAHAZ MERAY NAFAS KA IFTARA HAY AUR MAIN TERI NAZAR MAIN MUFSID AUR KAZIB HOON, AUR DIN RAAT IFTRA KARNA MERA KAAM HAY, TO A MERAY PYARAY MALIK MAIN AAJZI SAY TERI JANAB MAIN DUA KARTA HOON KAH, MOLVI SANA ULLAH KE ZINDAGI MAIN MUJHAY HILAK KAR, AUR MERI MOUT SAY UN KO AUR UN KI JAMAT KO KHUSH KAR DAY. AMEEEEEEN. MAIN TERI JANAB MAIN MALTJI HOON KAH MUJH MAIN AUR SANA ULLAH MAIN SACHA FAISALA FARMA AUR WOH JO TERI JANAB MAIN DAR HAQEEQAT MUFSID AUR KIZAB HAY, USS KO SADIQ KI ZINDAGI MAIN DUNIA SAY UTHA LAY, YA KISSI AUR NEHAYAT SAKHAT AAFAT MAIN JO MOUT KAY BARABAR HOO....

(MAJMOOA ISHTAHARAT JILD 3 PAGE 578 TO 580)


Khuda nay faisala kar dia jhouta kab halak houa aur sacha kab yeh aap bhi bahtar jantay hain aur main.

aur iss ishtahar kay 6 din baad 25 april ko 1907 ko akhbar badar qadian main jiss main mirza sb. ki dairay daily shai hotee the uss main mirza sb. kay ilfaz kuch youn thay.

SANA ULLAH KAY MUTALIQ JO KUCH LIKHA GAYA WOH DAR ASAL HAMARI TARAF SAY NAHIN BALKAH KHUDA HE KI TARAF SAY ISS KE BUNIYAD RAKHI GAYEE HAY.
(Ikhbar Badar Qadian 25 april 1907)


Aparthy sb. haiza say marna koi aissee wajah nahin hay kah banda iss ko bahas bana kar iss pay bahas he karta chala jaye, asal baat khud mirza sb. ki dua ke hay jo kah main upper likh chuka hoon aur jiss kee taeed ikhbar badar qadian say bhi ho rahi hay, yani jhoutay ki mout sachay ke zindagi main aur woh bhi kissi mohlak bimari yani taoun ya haiza say.

aur mirza sb. ki mout haiza say he hoi jiss kay liye meeer nzsir sb. ka bian he kafi hay, aur iss kay ilawa mirza sb. ki mout ki ilamat haiza he ke nishan dahi kar dahi hain.

mirza sb. iss baray main mazeed likhtay hain.

MAIN IQRAR KARTA HOON KAH AGAR MAIN ISS MUQABLAY MAIN MAGHLOOB RAHA TO MERI JAMAT KO CHAHIYE JO KAH AIK LAKH SAY BHI AB ZIADA HAIN, SAB KAY SAB BAIZAR HO KAR MUH SAY ALAG HO JAIN, KIONKAH KHUDA NAY JAB MUJHAY JHOOTA KARAR DAY KAR HALAK KAR DIYA TO MAIN JHOUTAY HONAY KE HALAT MAIN KISSI PAISHWAI AUR AMAMAT KO NAHIN CHAHTA, BALKAH ISS HALAT MAIN AIK YAHOODI SAY BHI BAD TAR HOON GA. AUR HAR AIK KAY LIYE JAY E AAR W NAANG.
(ZAMEEMA NAZOOL MASEEH PAGE 20 rk JILD 19 PAGE 124)


Agar daikha jaye to mirza sb. kay iss bian kay baad kissi shak ki gunjaish nahin rah jati, balakah mirza sb. nay to apni jamat kay liye bhi aik rassta taeen kar dia tha, laikin pata nahin kiss tarah aap log still ussi line pay lagay houe hain.

KHUDA AAP KO SACH SAMJHNAY AUR ISSAY QABOOL KARNAY KE TOFEEQ DAY. AMEEEN


aparthy - July 11, 2006 10:28 AM (GMT)


Aap nay phir wohi baat kar di. Aap nay Mirza sahib kay teen (3) hawaalay paish kiyay hain. Jo yih hain:

PASS AGAR WOH SAZA JO INSAN KAY HAATHON SAY NAHIN BALKAH MAHAZ KHUDA KAY HAATHON SAY HAY, JAISAY TAOUN HAIZA WAGHAIRA MOHLIK BIMARIAN WAGHAIRA AAP PAR MERI ZINDAGI MAIN WARID NA HOIN TO MAIN KHUDA TALA KE TARAF SAY NAHIN, YEH KISSI ILHAM YA PAISHGOI KI TARAF SAY NAHIN BALKAH MAHAZ DUA KAY TOR PAY KHUDA SAY MAIN NAY FAISALA CHAHA HAY, AUR MAIN KHUDA SAY DUA KARTA HOON KAH A MERAY MALIK AGAR YEH DAWA MAEEH MAOOD HONAY KA MAHAZ MERAY NAFAS KA IFTARA HAY AUR MAIN TERI NAZAR MAIN MUFSID AUR KAZIB HOON, AUR DIN RAAT IFTRA KARNA MERA KAAM HAY, TO A MERAY PYARAY MALIK MAIN AAJZI SAY TERI JANAB MAIN DUA KARTA HOON KAH, MOLVI SANA ULLAH KE ZINDAGI MAIN MUJHAY HILAK KAR, AUR MERI MOUT SAY UN KO AUR UN KI JAMAT KO KHUSH KAR DAY. AMEEEEEEN. MAIN TERI JANAB MAIN MALTJI HOON KAH MUJH MAIN AUR SANA ULLAH MAIN SACHA FAISALA FARMA AUR WOH JO TERI JANAB MAIN DAR HAQEEQAT MUFSID AUR KIZAB HAY, USS KO SADIQ KI ZINDAGI MAIN DUNIA SAY UTHA LAY, YA KISSI AUR NEHAYAT SAKHAT AAFAT MAIN JO MOUT KAY BARABAR HOO....

(MAJMOOA ISHTAHARAT JILD 3 PAGE 578 TO 580)


Yahaan teen hawaalay nahin aaskay. magar aap ki post main ooper daikhhay jaa saktay haim jo Laal (red) rang main hain.

Aap nay hazrat sahib kay to teen (3) hawaalay day diy-aye magar sanaullah ki aik baat bhi paish nahin ki. Is liyay aap kaa sab kaam jhhotaa hay. Sanaullah kaa aik haraf bhee nahin likhhaa.

AAp nay Sanaullah ki taraf say koie baat paish nahin ki. Is ki kiyaa wajah hay?? Is ki wajah yih hay us ki saari tehreerain hi gandi theen jo paish nahin ki jaa sakti. Neez usnay hazrat sahib ki mubaahilah ki har tehreer ko mannanay say inkaar kar diyaa thaa. yahi sach hay, Balkih Duhaa-ee di thee kih kih usay hazrat sahib ki tehreer [jo tipu sahib nay laal (red) rang main paish ki hay] manzoor nahin. Aur ajeeb baat hay kih kahaa: "Jhhota sachay kay ba'ad bhee zindah rehtaa hay".

Dar asal, jab sanaullah kisi tarah maidaan main nahi aarahaa thaa to Aakhir main Hazrat sahib nay apni tehreer kay ba'ad usay Kahaa kih abb iskay neechay jo tum chaahatay ho woh likhh do. Sanaullah nay likhaa kih Jhhootaa sachay kay ba'ad zindah rehtaa hay aur misaal Musailmah kazzaab ki dee. Aur yih aakhiri baat donounkay darmiaan hoi. Aur yahi baat sanaullah kay baaray main puri hou-ee.

Hazrat sahib to 70 saal umar kay thay. Sanaullah to Jawaan thaa magar aisaa ddaraa kih khauf say kanptaa thaa aur apnay risaalah main duhaa-ee daitaa thaa kih "Mujhhay tumhaari tehreer manzoor nahin..." Aur phir uskaa anjaam bahut buraa houaa. Taubah taubah.

rana_tipu - July 12, 2006 08:40 AM (GMT)
Aparthy sb. said

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Aap nay hazrat sahib kay to teen (3) hawaalay day diy-aye magar sanaullah ki aik baat bhi paish nahin ki. Is liyay aap kaa sab kaam jhhotaa hay. Sanaullah kaa aik haraf bhee nahin likhhaa.



Aparthy sb.

yeh koi mubahla ya mubahisa nahin tha kah donon paries ka dawa jaat tahreer karon, just mirza sb ki dua the jo kah poori hoi mirza sb. ka reference dobar paish kart hoon
AUR MAIN KHUDA SAY DUA KARTA HOON KAH A MERAY MALIK AGAR YEH DAWA MAEEH MAOOD HONAY KA MAHAZ MERAY NAFAS KA IFTARA HAY AUR MAIN TERI NAZAR MAIN MUFSID AUR KAZIB HOON, AUR DIN RAAT IFTRA KARNA MERA KAAM HAY, TO A MERAY PYARAY MALIK MAIN AAJZI SAY TERI JANAB MAIN DUA KARTA HOON KAH, MOLVI SANA ULLAH KE ZINDAGI MAIN MUJHAY HILAK KAR, AUR MERI MOUT SAY UN KO AUR UN KI JAMAT KO KHUSH KAR DAY. AMEEEEEEN. MAIN TERI JANAB MAIN MALTJI HOON KAH MUJH MAIN AUR SANA ULLAH MAIN SACHA FAISALA FARMA AUR WOH JO TERI JANAB MAIN DAR HAQEEQAT MUFSID AUR KIZAB HAY, USS KO SADIQ KI ZINDAGI MAIN DUNIA SAY UTHA LAY, YA KISSI AUR NEHAYAT SAKHAT AAFAT MAIN JO MOUT KAY BARABAR HOO....

(MAJMOOA ISHTAHARAT JILD 3 PAGE 578 TO 580)


iss liye yeh aitraz aap ka saheeh nahin hay.

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Hazrat sahib to 70 saal umar kay thay. Sanaullah to Jawaan thaa magar aisaa ddaraa kih khauf say kanptaa thaa aur apnay risaalah main duhaa-ee daitaa thaa kih "Mujhhay tumhaari tehreer manzoor nahin..." Aur phir uskaa anjaam bahut buraa houaa. Taubah taubah.


:applause:

sid - July 12, 2006 10:09 AM (GMT)
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Daikh lain, Tipu Sahib ko Duaa kay alfaaz yaad nahin.

[ iss dua kay same ilfaz mujhay yaad nahin laikin itna zaroor yaad hay kah mirza sb. nay khuda say yehi dua mangi thee kah jo jhouta hay woh sachay ke zindagi main he halak ho ga aur uss ki mout haiza say ho gee. ]


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Sanaullah kaa sab kaam hi jhhoota thaa. Laikin yih baat sach keh giyaa kih jhhootaa sachay kay ba'ad martaa hay. Baaqi Aaindah..


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Sahi aur sachee baat yahi hay kih sanaullah bhhaag giyaa thaa aur muqaabalh main nahin aayaa thaa. Usnay likhhaa thaa kih mujhhay yih tumhaari (Mirza sahib ki) tehreer muqaabilah manzoor nahin.... waghairah... Aur usnay duhaa-ee dee kih kion Hazrat sahib nay mubaahilah kiaa hay..


aparthy sahib ye jo upper tahreerayn hain app ke hee hana. ek bat jo kay app ke tahreron say samajh main ayi hay aur sawal bhi banta hay. aur who ye hay sahid app koi aur taweel pesh karayn iss sawal kay jawab main.

1) mirza sahib ney muqabla kiya aur dowa ke kay jo jhoota ho who sachay kay samney maray aur who bhi hayzay say.
2) mulvi sanaullah jhoota tha aur muqablay say bhag gaya. aur kaha kay jhoota sachay kay baad martaa hay.

ab ye bataye kay duwa kiss kee qabool hoi ek sachay nabi ke ya ek jhootay darpok aur bhagney waly jhootay mullah kee. hona tu ye chaheye tha ka Allah appney sachay nabi ke duwa ko qabool karta. tu ye mamulah kay hay.

quadriga - July 12, 2006 04:21 PM (GMT)

aparthy - July 13, 2006 01:11 AM (GMT)


Quadringa kaa bahut Shukriyyah kih asal mawaad paish kardiyaa. In dino maulvi phir jhoot phailanay main lagay hou-aye hain. Ab sab ko haqiqat ma'aloom ho jaa-aye-gee.

Waisay bhee hamaaray dost sharam kartay aur sanaaullah ki aik baat hi paish kardaytay to theek thaa. Magar unhain insaaf say kaam nahin karnaa. Jabb Sanaaullah ki aik baat bhee nahin dikhaa sakay to yih ajeeb zikar chhair diyaa. Donon pehlawaanoun ki baat paish karni chaahi-aye thee.

Ab urdu tehreer parrh kar bahut mazaa aayaa hay.

Javed - July 13, 2006 01:32 AM (GMT)
:bismillah:
:salam:

Sid.
Maloom huwa hay kay aap ahmadi.org kay moderator bana diye gayee hain.
Kiya ye durust hay?
Aap log kalabazian laganay choorain aur pehlay mukamal khat o kitabat Jo Messiah Maud (as) aur Molvi Sanaullah kay damian huvi parh lain.
Phir ji bhar kay behs kar layna.




:rotfl:

sid - July 13, 2006 09:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Javed @ Jul 13 2006, 01:32 AM)
:bismillah:
:salam:

Sid.
Maloom huwa hay kay aap ahmadi.org kay moderator bana diye gayee hain.
Kiya ye durust hay?
Aap log kalabazian laganay choorain aur pehlay mukamal khat o kitabat Jo Messiah Maud (as) aur Molvi Sanaullah kay damian huvi parh lain.
Phir ji bhar kay behs kar layna.




:rotfl:

main nahi huzur kahay rahay hain.
wasay app ko ghaltee lagee hay. main padaishee sunni musalman hon aur Anti-Ahmadiyya site ex qadiyaniyon ka forum aur whoi log mod hayn who bhala mujh ko mod kion bannay lagay.
lagta hay app ko shaid meri threroon say aysa laga ho ye tu achi baat hay. iss ka matlab ye howa kay main app say ziyada qadiyaniyat ko samjh chuka hon. aur app sahid padaishee qadiyani hain :D2

sid - July 13, 2006 10:10 AM (GMT)
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Pehli baat yaad rakhain kih Hazrat Aqdas say muqaablah (Mubaahilah) karkay bahut say (100 say ziaadah) maulvi mar gaye thay jin ki list bahut lambi hay. Ab is post par un sab maulvionkay naam bhee ham likhain gay. Agar aap Maulvi Sanaullah sahib ki baat nah kartay to aap kay liyay achhaa thaa. Un maulvion kay naam to (naam banaam) ba'ad main paish karaingay. Siraf Sanaullah kaa naam hi kion ho. Baaqion kaa kiyaa qasoor hay jo bay shumaar maulvi haizay aur Ta'aoon say maray thay.


bari nawazish hogi ager app ye nammon ki list daydayn. mager kheeyal rahey kay mirza sahib ney who nam appni thereeron main likha ho. :D2

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Waisay bhee hamaaray dost sharam kartay aur sanaaullah ki aik baat hi paish kardaytay to theek thaa. Magar unhain insaaf say kaam nahin karnaa. Jabb Sanaaullah ki aik baat bhee nahin dikhaa sakay to yih ajeeb zikar chhair diyaa. Donon pehlawaanoun ki baat paish karni chaahi-aye thee.


janab sanaaullah ka nam app kie kitabon yani mirza sahib ney khud he is kay baray main baatya hay. abb 100 saal bat humhayn kiss tarhan maloom kay sannaullah bhi koi tha. abb hammay kaya maloom kay who koi bara mulvi tha un kee koi khas thareer bhi nahi hay. ya moftee tha bhi kay nahi. chota tha ya bara tha aur who mirza sahib kay muqablay say farar hogaya. abb Allah hee ko maloom hay us kee haseeyat kiya thee.

mager baat appni jaghay mujood hay duwa kiss ke qabool hoi. mirza nabi ke ya app kay baqool ek jhootay mullah kee. :D2

rana_tipu - July 14, 2006 07:25 AM (GMT)
Javed sb.
said
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Aap log kalabazian laganay choorain aur pehlay mukamal khat o kitabat Jo Messiah Maud (as) aur Molvi Sanaullah kay damian huvi parh lain.
Phir ji bhar kay behs kar layna.



javed sb. baat molvi sanna ullah kay sath kya khat o katabat hoi hay yeh nahin hay, baat hay mirza sb. ki dua ke jo kah main paish kar chuka hoon.

AUR MAIN KHUDA SAY DUA KARTA HOON KAH A MERAY MALIK AGAR YEH DAWA MAEEH MAOOD HONAY KA MAHAZ MERAY NAFAS KA IFTARA HAY AUR MAIN TERI NAZAR MAIN MUFSID AUR KAZIB HOON, AUR DIN RAAT IFTRA KARNA MERA KAAM HAY, TO A MERAY PYARAY MALIK MAIN AAJZI SAY TERI JANAB MAIN DUA KARTA HOON KAH, MOLVI SANA ULLAH KE ZINDAGI MAIN MUJHAY HILAK KAR, AUR MERI MOUT SAY UN KO AUR UN KI JAMAT KO KHUSH KAR DAY. AMEEEEEEN.

mirza sb. ka he aik jagh main nay dawa parha tha kah KHUDA NAY MUJHAY DUAON KI QABOOLIYAT KA SHARAF BAKHSHA HAY. aur ab agar mirza sb. ki dua kabool ho hee gayee hay to aap ko kia aitraz hay. janab

Javed - July 14, 2006 05:25 PM (GMT)
:bismillah:


Tipu/Sid.

Aap ka yeh kehna,

{baat molvi sanna ullah kay sath kya khat o katabat hoi hay yeh nahin hay, baat hay mirza sb. ki dua ke jo kah main paish kar chuka hoon}

Yeh bhundi daleel aap ki dheet pan aur dhokay bazi ki bad tareen missal hay. Aap aapnay ustadoon ko bhee jalsazi dhokay bazi main pechay choor gayee hain. Yeh hi aap ka mazhab hay lihaza khus hotay rahain aur jashan manaein.
Aaj tak aap kay kisi aalim nay aasee bhundi daleel nahi di thee jo aap day rahain.

Koei ebarat kahien say pakar lain koei kahein say phir un say aapnay hasbay mansha matlab nikal kar aap aapnay aap ko tees mar khan sabit karnay per tulay huway hain us say aap ko koe faeda nahein hoga.

Easi dhokay bazi jall sazi aur behayaei kay baad aapni post kay akhir main Allah kay nam ko istamal karanay ka natiga Insha Allah jald ya bad daer
Rang layee ga.

Aap nay jis tarah unki eik dua kay bad AMEEEEN likha hay us say aap logon ki arzo ka pata chalta hay. Lakin eik sadi say ziya guzar gai hay kiya wajha hay aap kay aap kay 72 kay tolay per tabahi barbadi aur azab aya ho wa hay.
Akhir kiya wajha hay khabi socha hay tees mar khan?

Aag hi eik sunni jahadi nay Karachi main aapnay mukhalf Shia aalim hassan turrabi ko khud kush bamb say halak kar diya?
Eid malad nabi kay din Shia khud khus babmbar jahadi nay darjanoo sunni molvi halak kar diyee they.

Yeh Enam mila hay Qatal wa Gharat gari ka aap logon ko???????? Lakin Sharam o Hiya ki Kami hay ?????


:redrag:

sarmad - July 14, 2006 05:49 PM (GMT)
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rana_tipu - July 21, 2006 07:03 AM (GMT)
Sarmad sb.

bohat lambi kahni paish kee aap nay laikin iss main swaye fazooliyat kay aur kuch nahin hay, thora sa shuru say tafseel say paish karain, jiss main yeh zikar bhi paye jain

1. molvi sanaa ullau ko paishgoin ki tasdeeq kay liye bulaana
2. sana ullah kay na aanay ki paish goi karna
3. sana ullah ka qadian ponch jana.
4. sana ullah kay aitrazat kay jawab dainay kay liye sharait
5. sana ullah ka mubhlay ka chelleng
6. sana ullah ka jawab main koi tahreer na daina
7. mirza sb. ka tahreer na dainay ko he challenge samjhna
8. sana ullah ki ghiar mojoodgi main he aur mubhlay kay baghair he khuda say dua mangna
9. sachay ki zindagi main he jhoutay ki mout
10. ba maraz mohlak bimari (taoun ya haiza)

yeh kuch tarteeb hay aap kay samnay iss tarteeb ko daikhin aur mirza sb. he ke tahreeron ko mad nazar rakhtay houe aap daikhin to haqeeqat aap pay khul jayee gee, yeh jo aap bani banaaai kahanian paish kar daitay hain yeh haqeeqat ko jhout kay dabeez pardon main chup daitee hain.

sanna ullah kay saath mirza sb. ka mubahla houa he nahin tha, laikin mirza sb. nay jiss aajzi aur inkasari kay saath jhoutay ke sachay ke zindagi main haiza say wafat ke dua ke thee woh main likh chuka hoon, laikin aik baat aur batana chahta hoon kah yeh mirza sb. ki wahid dua the jo kah forun he kabool ho gayee, aur iss main koi taweel bhi nahin hay, khuli aankhon say daikhnay walon kay liye.

Shukria


sid - July 21, 2006 10:18 AM (GMT)
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janab sarmad sahib ager app ki mantaq man lay tu ye tu baatiye kay duwa kiss ke kabool howi app kay nabi kee ya app logon ke nazar main ek jhootay mullah amratsari ke ye tu baat dayn. iss ka tu faisla kar dayn ta kay tasalee hojaye

sid - July 22, 2006 01:15 AM (GMT)
bohat achee baat hay kissee mod nay kk5 aba ke therad ko delete kar diya hay. aur us therad main main ney hayatnasir ka hawala lagay tha khair koi baat nahi ye therad bhi issee hawalay say hay tu main iss per ye hawala lagata hon. mager mujh ko ye baat samjh main nahi ayi is forum kay mod hazrat kissee aur ke likhi howi thereer ko tu delete kar daytay hain yehan tak tu theek tha mager ye appne he kitaboon kay hawalay bhi delete kardayn gay ye maloom nahi tha. ager who hawala ghalat ho tu ye man kion nahi laytay kay ye hawala iss kitab main ghalat hay. nakay iss ko baghar koi wajh baataye delete kaydayn. wasay hawala phir hazir hay ye tu inkar karday ye phir delete karnay say phelya wajha baati jiye. main ney koi ghalat hawala tu nahee diya hay.


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Javed - July 23, 2006 11:56 PM (GMT)
:bismillah:



SID.

oper sanaullah aur Messiah Maud (as) ki mukamal khato kitibat ko koe Khuda say bay khoof baddiyanat dhokaybaz hi rud kar sakta hay.

Aap ko Dr. kay crtifcate pay kiya aatiraz hay jis nay kaha kay Messiah Maud (as) ki maot haizay say nahein huvi.Na us waqat mojood kisi aur nay yeh kaha jo mirza Nasir ka khiyal hay. 7/8 afrad ki bat aap ko hazam nahein hoti sirah eik shakhs ki baat per faisla kartay hain. Waaqiya hi eamaan koot koot kar aap main bhara hay?????????

Aap is baat ko goal kar jatay hain kay akhri waqat aap ki zuban per Allah ka nam jari tha aur aahista aahista awaz dhemi hoti gayee aur aap ki rooh perwaz kar gayee.Lakin Mirza Nasir ki bat jo kehtay hain kay unhoo nay yeh kaha kay mujhay wabae haiza ho giya hay is kay baad maray kiyal main koe saf bat nahein farmaei.

Siraf Mirza Nasir ka kiyal dil ko laghta hay jo 22 saal bad mazar aam per aaya baqi 7/8 ki baat nazar andaz. Kiya diyanat dari hay???????
Yeh dkokay bazi baddiyanti aur jhoot aap logoon ki asal taleem hay jo mmullah na di hay????


:rotfl:

aparthy - July 24, 2006 03:00 AM (GMT)

Sanaullah ki tehreeron ko yih maulvi loag to chhuppaatay hain laikin Sarmad sahib nay Hawaalon kay saath Sanaullah ki tehteerain paish kar di hain jin say saaf saabit hota hay kih Sanaullah muqaabilay say bhaag giyss aur dar kay maaray mar rahaa thaa. Duhaa-ie day rahaa thaa kih baabaa mujhay kion is muqaailay main laatay ho...

sid - July 26, 2006 08:39 AM (GMT)
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SID.

oper sanaullah aur Messiah Maud (as) ki mukamal khato kitibat ko koe Khuda say bay khoof baddiyanat dhokaybaz hi rud kar sakta hay.


chalye javed sahib app ke ye baat man lee.

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Aap ko Dr. kay crtifcate pay kiya aatiraz hay jis nay kaha kay Messiah Maud (as) ki maot haizay say nahein huvi.Na us waqat mojood kisi aur nay yeh kaha jo mirza Nasir ka khiyal hay. 7/8 afrad ki bat aap ko hazam nahein hoti sirah eik shakhs ki baat per faisla kartay hain. Waaqiya hi eamaan koot koot kar aap main bhara hay?????????


chalayn main dr. ke crtifcate per etaraz nahi karta aur 7/8 logon ke baat ko bhi man layta hon. app kay khanay kay mutabiq. aur ek shakhs ke baat ko bhe rad karta hon.

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Siraf Mirza Nasir ka kiyal dil ko laghta hay jo 22 saal bad mazar aam per aaya baqi 7/8 ki baat nazar andaz. Kiya diyanat dari hay???????
Yeh dkokay bazi baddiyanti aur jhoot aap logoon ki asal taleem hay jo mmullah na di hay????


ab janab app ke bari hay jo baat 22 saal bad manzar-e-aam per ai aur jo bat 7/8 logon nay phley kahi hay us ko kion rad kiya jata hay.
tu janab abb app is ko rad karayn kay mir nasir sahaib jhoot baktay hain. unhon nay mirza nabi kay baray main jhoot baka hay jiss ka kion saboot nahi hay. aur who jhoota tha kion kay un nay mirza nabi ko badnam kiya hay. kaya app ye baat qabool kartay hain. main tu app ki baat ko mann liya hay. abb app ager mari baat kon man rahay hain tu nichay ek post likh kar iss baat ka iqrar ka layn kay mir nasir sahib nay jhoot baat kahee hay. takay main ainda is baat kao wapas nahi likhon ga. aur ye samjh loon ga kay mirza sahib HAZAY say nahi maray thay aur un kay sosar nay un ko badnam karnay kay liye ye jhootee riwayat biyan kee hay. kiya khiyal hay app ka janab javed sahib.

aparthy - July 26, 2006 10:40 AM (GMT)


Sid sahib, aap nay bay waqoofi ki had kar di hay. Aap ko isi forum par bataayaa giyaa thaa kih ghalat hona aur baat hay aur jhootaa hona aur baat hay. Saath Nabi akram s.a.w.s. ki hadith Hijrat kay baray main misaal kay taur par di thee. Magar aap baaz nahin aatay aur bay waqoofoun ki tarah batain kar rahay hain.

Forum waalay itnay naadaan nahin kih aap ki chaal ko nah samajh sakain. Aap nay nasir Nawab sahib ki taraf jhoot mansoob kiyaa hay. Afsos aap ki aqal par hay. Agar aap ko koie achhee baat nahin soojhati to bihter hay khaamosh ho jaain aur apni jihaalat par pardah daal lain.

Yih forum kutch seekhanay sikhhanay kay liyay hay, discussion kay liyay hay, kisi debate kay liyay nahin hay.

sid - July 26, 2006 11:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (aparthy @ Jul 26 2006, 10:40 AM)
Sid sahib, aap nay bay waqoofi ki had kar di hay. Aap ko isi forum par bataayaa giyaa thaa kih ghalat hona aur baat hay aur jhootaa hona aur baat hay. Saath Nabi akram s.a.w.s. ki hadith Hijrat kay baray main misaal kay taur par di thee. Magar aap baaz nahin aatay aur bay waqoofoun ki tarah batain kar rahay hain.

Forum waalay itnay naadaan nahin kih aap ki chaal ko nah samajh sakain. Aap nay nasir Nawab sahib ki taraf jhoot mansoob kiyaa hay. Afsos aap ki aqal par hay. Agar aap ko koie achhee baat nahin soojhati to bihter hay khaamosh ho jaain aur apni jihaalat par pardah daal lain.

Yih forum kutch seekhanay sikhhanay kay liyay hay, discussion kay liyay hay, kisi debate kay liyay nahin hay.

chalye app ke baat ko bhi maan laytay hain. nasir nawab sahib nay jhoot nahi kaha mager ye tu maan lay kay unhon nay ghalat riwayat kee hay. aur likh dayn kay who ghalat baat kar rahay hain akhir ko insan hay ghalat bat moon say nikal jatee hay mager ye baat ko bhi maana nahi hay who baat bhee maan nee hay. koi ek baat tu qabool karyan. main ney kon see aysee baat kahee jo ye forum walay jantay hain ye nahi jantay.

abb ay app logon ka he zarf hoga aur hosala hay kay mir nasir ke baat ko app nabi :saw: say muqablay per pesh kar dayn. :sub: Allah app logon ko hedayat day.

aparthy - July 26, 2006 11:54 AM (GMT)


Yih bhee aap ki ghalti hay. Mir Nasir Nawab sahib nay ghalat rawayat nahin ki. Koie baat ya Information ghalat ho ga-ee. Aur aap apni taraf daikhain kih ghalat par ghalat baat kar rahay hain. Kiyaa main keh saktaa houn kih aap bhi jhoot bolnay kay aadee hain?? Ya'ani aap ko patah thaa kih ghalat baat aur hoti hay aur jhoot baat aur hoti hay. Phir bhee aap nay Nasir Nawab sahib par ilzaam lagaanay ki poori koshish ki.

Kiyaa yih aap kaa jhoot thaa yaa zalaalat (gumraahi) thee?? Phir aap mairi baat ko jo aap ko samjhhanay kay lyay likhhee thee, ultaa banaa kar usay Nabi akram s.a.w.s. kay saath milaa rahay hain.

Main nay to aap ko aik misaal dee thee kih aik baat ghalat ho sakti hay. Zaroori nahin kih usko jhoot kahaa jaa-aye. usmain nabi akram s.a.w.s ki baat ko paish kiyaa thaa kih unhoun nay samjhaa thaa kih Hijrat kisi aur jagah (Yamaamah main) hogi magar woh Madinah main hou-ee. Aur unhoun nay samjhaa kih Umrah kar rahay hain aur chal parray sahaabah ko laikar.

To kiyaa umrah kiyaa yaa mecca kay pass gay-aye. To kiyaa unki baat jhoot thee? Nah woh baat ghalat thee aur nah jhoot. magar aap kay istadlaal kay mutaabiq to woh baat bhee nabi akram s.a.w.s. ki jhoot hi banti hay. Is liyay aap ko manah kiyaa thaa kih fazool baatain nah kiyaa karain.
Ab app kehtay hain kih chalo maan liyaa.... Yih maan liyaa, woh maan liyaa, aur uskay ba'ad phir wohi ultee baat chhairr daytay hain... Parhaiz karain. Taqwaa zaroori hay.

sid - July 26, 2006 12:05 PM (GMT)
sir taqwa app ikhtayar karan main rasoolallah :saw: ko darmiyan main nahi laya app hee nay bat ko ghumaya hay kaya misal daynay kay liye sirf rasool :saw: hee thay mir nasir ke ghalat bat per.
aur abb bhi app is bat ka iqrar nahi kar rahay kay mir nasir nay ghalat bat kahee hay aur bat ko ghoma rahhay hain app insan ke ghalat bat ko ek nabi ke bat say mila rahay hain main nahi. aur misal daynay kay liye app kay pass nabi kay elawa koi aur misal na thee. ye app logon ka hee khasa hay . ya app ke zalaalat (ghumrahee) hay nakay meri.

aparthy - July 26, 2006 04:53 PM (GMT)


Main to aap ko samjhaa rahaa houn kih aisee baat nah kiyaa karain jis ki zad Nabi akram s.a.w.s. par bhee parray. Laikin aap baaz nahin aatay. Kiyaa nabi akram s.a.w.s. ki baat ko bhee jhoot hi kahogay?? Subhaan Allah.

rana_tipu - July 26, 2006 06:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (aparthy @ Jul 26 2006, 04:40 PM)
Sid sahib, aap nay bay waqoofi ki had kar di hay. Aap ko isi forum par bataayaa giyaa thaa kih ghalat hona aur baat hay aur jhootaa hona aur baat hay. Saath Nabi akram s.a.w.s. ki hadith Hijrat kay baray main misaal kay taur par di thee. Magar aap baaz nahin aatay aur bay waqoofoun ki tarah batain kar rahay hain.

Forum waalay itnay naadaan nahin kih aap ki chaal ko nah samajh sakain. Aap nay nasir Nawab sahib ki taraf jhoot mansoob kiyaa hay. Afsos aap ki aqal par hay. Agar aap ko koie achhee baat nahin soojhati to bihter hay khaamosh ho jaain aur apni jihaalat par pardah daal lain.

Yih forum kutch seekhanay sikhhanay kay liyay hay, discussion kay liyay hay, kisi debate kay liyay nahin hay.

Aparthy sb. aap ki siraf nazar he nahin kamzor bakah ikhlaqiyat main bhi aap qadianit ki rewaiyat taza kar rahay hain, siraf marnay ki paishieen goi karnay ke zaroorat baaqi hay. :D2 :D2

rana_tipu - July 26, 2006 06:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (aparthy @ Jul 26 2006, 10:53 PM)
Main to aap ko samjhaa rahaa houn kih aisee baat nah kiyaa karain jis ki zad Nabi akram s.a.w.s. par bhee parray. Laikin aap baaz nahin aatay. Kiyaa nabi akram s.a.w.s. ki baat ko bhee jhoot hi kahogay?? Subhaan Allah.

Aparthy sb.

har baat ko nabi pak:saw: kay saath mat milaya karain, quran pak main hay kah aye imaan walo apni awaz ko nabi :saw: ki awaz say oncha mat karo, tumhian pata bhi nahin chalay ga aur tum apany sari umer ki naikain zia kar lo gay.

Iss liye ahtiyat kiya karian.

aur jahan tak nabi :saw: ki iss baat ka taluq hay to issay main bohat achi tarah clear kar chuka hoon aap he kay aitaraz kay jawab main, iss liye iss ko dobara mat paish karain. nauzbillah koi naia aitarz lain phir inshallah main ussay bhi rad karon ga. inshalllah

shukria

sarmad - July 26, 2006 07:40 PM (GMT)
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