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Truth Finder - April 16, 2006 10:33 PM (GMT)
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rana_tipu - April 17, 2006 06:14 AM (GMT)
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janab truth finder sb. aap ki post dekhi, aap kay tinon swalon ka jawab to koi qadiani he saheeh day sakta hay. laikin mera aap ko aik chota sa mashwara hay qadianiat kabool karnay say pahlay aap mirza sb. ki kitabin yani roohani khazain ka mutalia zaroor kar lijiye ga, aur mujhay yaqeen hay kah jaisa kah aap kay naam say zahir hay aap yaqeenan sachai talash kar lain gay, aur haan iss kay alwa agar aap kay pass in kitabon ko parhanay ka time nahin hay to iss foum main meri post JHOOTA KON ko zaroor daikhiye ga, yaqeenan aap ko sachai ka andaza ho jaye ga

WASALAM

Khuda aap ko Hidayet pay rakhaye aamin


Rana Tipu

sid - April 17, 2006 11:59 AM (GMT)
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MERAY BAHI Truth Finder

APP KAY SAWALAT KAR MUKHTASAR SA JAWAB DAYTA HO JO MAIN NAY ABB TAK IN KEE KETABUN SAY PARAH HAY. :D2

1) MUNAFIQ HOJAYN GAY. (QADIYANI MAZAHAB KEE NAZAR MAY) :w00t:

KHALIFA KUCH NAHI KARAY GA. :thedevil: (HAWAL MAHFOOZ MANGNAY PER DIYA JA SAKTA HAY)


2) MUNAFIQ HOJAYN GAY. (QADIYANI MAZAHAB KEE NAZAR MAY) :w00t:

KHALIFA KUCH NAHI KARAY GA. :thedevil: JAMAT MAIN ABHAM RAHAYGA :sp: KAY QADIYANI HOWA YA NAHI :realmad: SABOOT CHANDA JAD HAN :thumbsup: (HAWAL MAHFOOZ MANGNAY PER DIYA JA SAKTA HAY)

3)EMAAN KAY KAMZOOR KHAHLOUGAY. :blush: MUNAFIQ KEE NAZAR SAY DAYKHAYJOWGAY. (QADIYANI MAZAHAB KEE NAZAR MAY) :firefacered:

KHALIFA KUCH NAHI KARAY GA. :thedevil: (HAWAL MAHFOOZ MANGNAY PER DIYA JA SAKTA HAY)


YA BATAYN APP KO ISS WAQT KOI QADIYAN NAHEE KAHAY GA. :dontangry: BALKAY PAYR SAY KHAHAY GA YA SAB JHOOT HAY. :thedevil: :teethsmiley:.. RANA SAHIB NAY SAHI MASHWARA DEYA HAY BAI'T KARNAY SAY PAHLAY MIRZA KE KETABON KA TAJZEYATEE NAZAR SAY MUTALLA KARAN.


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rana_tipu - April 17, 2006 12:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sid @ Apr 17 2006, 05:59 PM)
:salam:
MERAY BAHI Truth Finder

APP KAY SAWALAT KAR MUKHTASAR SA JAWAB DAYTA HO JO MAIN NAY ABB TAK IN KEE KETABUN SAY PARAH HAY.:D2

1) MUNAFIQ HOJAYN GAY. (QADIYANI MAZAHAB KEE NAZAR MAY) :w00t:

KHALIFA KUCH NAHI KARAY GA. :thedevil: (HAWAL MAHFOOZ MANGNAY PER DIYA JA SAKTA HAY)


2) MUNAFIQ HOJAYN GAY. (QADIYANI MAZAHAB KEE NAZAR MAY) :w00t:

KHALIFA KUCH NAHI KARAY GA. :thedevil: JAMAT MAIN ABHAM RAHAYGA :sp: KAY QADIYANI HOWA YA NAHI :realmad: SABOOT CHANDA JAD HAN :thumbsup: (HAWAL MAHFOOZ MANGNAY PER DIYA JA SAKTA HAY)

3)EMAAN KAY KAMZOOR KHAHLOUGAY. :blush: MUNAFIQ KEE NAZAR SAY DAYKHAYJOWGAY. (QADIYANI MAZAHAB KEE NAZAR MAY) :firefacered:

KHALIFA KUCH NAHI KARAY GA. :thedevil: (HAWAL MAHFOOZ MANGNAY PER DIYA JA SAKTA HAY)


YA BATAYN APP KO ISS WAQT KOI QADIYAN NAHEE KAHAY GA. :dontangry: BALKAY PAYR SAY KHAHAY GA YA SAB JHOOT HAY. :thedevil: :teethsmiley:.. RANA SAHIB NAY SAHI MASHWARA DEYA HAY BAI'T KARNAY SAY PAHLAY MIRZA KE KETABON KA TAJZEYATEE NAZAR SAY MUTALLA KARAN.


ISS WAQAT APP KAY SATH KUCH NAHI HOGA MAGER ANNAY WALI NASAL KAY SATH KAYA HOGA? GO BACK TO MY ANSWER NUMBER (1) :peace:



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perfect answer janab

insha_ji - April 17, 2006 01:03 PM (GMT)
Aap ke sawal parhe onka mukhtasir jawab tehreer kar raha hoon.

1. Ager ap wasiyyet nizaam me na shamil hona chahain yeh apki marzi hey. Yeh nizam Khalifa ka jari karda nahi balkeh Hazret Massiah Maood (as) ne jari kia hey. Ap risala Alwasiyyet ka mutaliya karain or oske baad khood decide karain asel maqsed wo sharaiyet hain jo ke risala Alwasiyyet me darj hain ik moosi ke liye bulkhe har Ahmadi ke liyeh.

2. Maali qurbani imaaniyat ka hissa hey deen e islam ki ishaat or osko mustahkem karne k liyeh hamesha se he mali qurbani ki jaati mager ye sirf hur individual pur munhasir hota hey wo kitna desakta hey lazmi nahi ke wo bari bari raqoom de. Maqsed sirf sawab hasil karna hota hey tehreek me shamil ho ker. Tehreek e jadeed or waqf e jadeed ke nizam keh tehah Jamaati kuteb, mukhtalif ghareeb mumalik me masajid, school, hospitals or mission qaim karna hota hey. Lazmi chanda jaat me sirf chanda Aaam or Zakat hey. Baaki sub tehreekain aap apne istetaat ke mutabik de sakte hain ya shamil ho sakte hain.

3. Namaz ka bajamaat ada karna Masjid me Farz hey yeh aap kissi uhde daar ya kissi ke liyeh nahi karte sirf apne liyeh karte hain or sunnat e rasool hey. Aap ki sunnet hey namaz ko bakaidgi se masjid me ba jamaat ada karna. Baaki raha ke jamat ka uhde daar apko masjid pur bolata hey wo is liyeh bolata hey keh Quran me irshad he ke momaneen ko baar baar remind karwao naiki ki taref. Yeh aap pur munhasir aap jana chahain ya nahi mager sunnat yeh hee kahey gi keh namaz masjid me jaa ker ada ki jaye. Baaki raha jamaat ka kaam wo tu ruk nahi sakta aap nahi karain ge koie or kar lega wo tu nahi rooke ga. Ik shair hey Khalifa tul Massiah Sani ka wo farmate hain.

Khidmat e deen ko ik fazle Ilahi jano
iske badle me kabhi taalib e inaam na ho

ager aapki masroofiyaat ijazet nahi deti tu yeh aap pur munhasir hey. Khalifa ka kaam hey jamat ki islah karna or tawajo dilana naiki taref. or jamaat me shamil logon ka kaam hey naiki ko apnana. Khalifa sirf os sooret me action leta hey jub koie cheez ya wakiya aisa ho jis se jamaat ya nizaam ko khatra ho.

yeh mukhtasiren apke liyeh.

rana_tipu - April 17, 2006 06:25 PM (GMT)
Wah Insha jee kitna detailed answer hay

laikin aap nay woh WAQIF ZINDAGI kay baray mian nahin btaya in sahhib ko jinhain sachai ki talash hay, aur iss kay alawa yeh bhi bata daitay kah monthly total amdani ka 10% ya 25% chandon kay head main jana hota hay,

Rana Tipu

Truth Finder - April 18, 2006 12:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (insha_ji @ Apr 17 2006, 01:03 PM)
Aap ke sawal parhe onka mukhtasir jawab tehreer kar raha hoon.

1. Ager ap wasiyyet nizaam me na shamil hona chahain yeh apki marzi hey. Yeh nizam Khalifa ka jari karda nahi balkeh Hazret Massiah Maood (as) ne jari kia hey.  Ap risala Alwasiyyet ka mutaliya karain or oske baad khood decide karain asel maqsed wo sharaiyet hain jo ke risala Alwasiyyet me darj hain ik moosi ke liye bulkhe har Ahmadi ke liyeh.

2. Maali qurbani imaaniyat ka hissa hey deen e islam ki ishaat or osko mustahkem karne k liyeh hamesha se he mali qurbani ki jaati mager ye sirf hur individual pur munhasir hota hey wo kitna desakta hey lazmi nahi ke wo bari bari raqoom de. Maqsed sirf sawab hasil karna hota hey tehreek me shamil ho ker. Tehreek e jadeed or waqf e jadeed ke nizam keh tehah Jamaati kuteb, mukhtalif ghareeb mumalik me masajid, school, hospitals or mission qaim karna hota hey. Lazmi chanda jaat me sirf chanda Aaam or Zakat hey. Baaki sub tehreekain aap apne istetaat ke mutabik de sakte hain ya shamil ho sakte hain.

3. Namaz ka bajamaat ada karna Masjid me Farz hey yeh aap kissi uhde daar ya kissi ke liyeh nahi karte sirf apne liyeh karte hain or sunnat e rasool hey. Aap ki sunnet hey namaz ko bakaidgi se masjid me ba jamaat ada karna. Baaki raha ke jamat ka uhde daar apko masjid pur bolata hey wo is liyeh bolata hey keh Quran me irshad he ke momaneen ko baar baar remind karwao naiki ki taref. Yeh aap pur munhasir aap jana chahain ya nahi mager sunnat yeh hee kahey gi keh namaz masjid me jaa ker ada ki jaye. Baaki raha jamaat ka kaam wo tu ruk nahi sakta aap nahi karain ge koie or kar lega wo tu nahi rooke ga. Ik shair hey Khalifa tul Massiah Sani ka wo farmate hain.

Khidmat e deen ko ik fazle Ilahi jano
iske badle me kabhi taalib e inaam na ho

ager aapki masroofiyaat ijazet nahi deti tu yeh aap pur munhasir hey. Khalifa ka kaam hey jamat ki islah karna or tawajo dilana naiki taref. or jamaat me shamil logon ka kaam hey naiki ko apnana. Khalifa sirf os sooret me action leta hey jub koie cheez ya wakiya aisa ho jis se jamaat ya nizaam ko khatra ho.

yeh mukhtasiren apke liyeh.

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rana_tipu - April 18, 2006 05:06 AM (GMT)
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rana_tipu - April 18, 2006 05:15 AM (GMT)
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sid - April 18, 2006 09:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Truth Finder @ Apr 18 2006, 12:31 AM)
QUOTE (insha_ji @ Apr 17 2006, 01:03 PM)
Aap ke sawal parhe onka mukhtasir jawab tehreer kar raha hoon.

1. Ager ap wasiyyet nizaam me na shamil hona chahain yeh apki marzi hey. Yeh nizam Khalifa ka jari karda nahi balkeh Hazret Massiah Maood (as) ne jari kia hey.  Ap risala Alwasiyyet ka mutaliya karain or oske baad khood decide karain asel maqsed wo sharaiyet hain jo ke risala Alwasiyyet me darj hain ik moosi ke liye bulkhe har Ahmadi ke liyeh.

2. Maali qurbani imaaniyat ka hissa hey deen e islam ki ishaat or osko mustahkem karne k liyeh hamesha se he mali qurbani ki jaati mager ye sirf hur individual pur munhasir hota hey wo kitna desakta hey lazmi nahi ke wo bari bari raqoom de. Maqsed sirf sawab hasil karna hota hey tehreek me shamil ho ker. Tehreek e jadeed or waqf e jadeed ke nizam keh tehah Jamaati kuteb, mukhtalif ghareeb mumalik me masajid, school, hospitals or mission qaim karna hota hey. Lazmi chanda jaat me sirf chanda Aaam or Zakat hey. Baaki sub tehreekain aap apne istetaat ke mutabik de sakte hain ya shamil ho sakte hain.

3. Namaz ka bajamaat ada karna Masjid me Farz hey yeh aap kissi uhde daar ya kissi ke liyeh nahi karte sirf apne liyeh karte hain or sunnat e rasool hey. Aap ki sunnet hey namaz ko bakaidgi se masjid me ba jamaat ada karna. Baaki raha ke jamat ka uhde daar apko masjid pur bolata hey wo is liyeh bolata hey keh Quran me irshad he ke momaneen ko baar baar remind karwao naiki ki taref. Yeh aap pur munhasir aap jana chahain ya nahi mager sunnat yeh hee kahey gi keh namaz masjid me jaa ker ada ki jaye. Baaki raha jamaat ka kaam wo tu ruk nahi sakta aap nahi karain ge koie or kar lega wo tu nahi rooke ga. Ik shair hey Khalifa tul Massiah Sani ka wo farmate hain.

Khidmat e deen ko ik fazle Ilahi jano
iske badle me kabhi taalib e inaam na ho

ager aapki masroofiyaat ijazet nahi deti tu yeh aap pur munhasir hey. Khalifa ka kaam hey jamat ki islah karna or tawajo dilana naiki taref. or jamaat me shamil logon ka kaam hey naiki ko apnana. Khalifa sirf os sooret me action leta hey jub koie cheez ya wakiya aisa ho jis se jamaat ya nizaam ko khatra ho.

yeh mukhtasiren apke liyeh.

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insha_ji - April 18, 2006 01:45 PM (GMT)
Truth Finder...

1. Asoolen koie apke khilaf karwaiee karne ka mijaaz nahi na tehkeer karna jaiz hey.
2. Asoolen koie apke khilaf karwaiee karne ka mijaaz nahi na tehkeer karna jaiz hey. Chanda Aaam lazmi chanda hey jo bhi Hazert Massiah Maood ki bait karta hey ose yeh chanda dena hey kion ke yeh onhi ka jaari karda hey. Wasiyyet or Chanda aam 2 mukhtalif cheezain hain Jo shakhs wasiyyet karta hey ose chanda aam nahi dena parta wo sirf wasiyyet ka chanda deta hey. Jo shakhs wasiyyet nahi karta wo Sirf Chanda aam deta hey. Baaki chanda jaat sub volunteer basis hain.
3. Asoolen koie apke khilaf karwaiee karne ka mijaaz nahi na tehkeer karna jaiz hey.


Ik sawal meri taref se aap ke liyeh. Aaap ka Ahmadiyyat me shamil hone ka irada kis wajah se hey.

meraypass - April 18, 2006 03:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Truth Finder @ Apr 18 2006, 12:31 AM)
QUOTE (insha_ji @ Apr 17 2006, 01:03 PM)
Aap ke sawal parhe onka mukhtasir jawab tehreer kar raha hoon.

1. Ager ap wasiyyet nizaam me na shamil hona chahain yeh apki marzi hey. Yeh nizam Khalifa ka jari karda nahi balkeh Hazret Massiah Maood (as) ne jari kia hey.  Ap risala Alwasiyyet ka mutaliya karain or oske baad khood decide karain asel maqsed wo sharaiyet hain jo ke risala Alwasiyyet me darj hain ik moosi ke liye bulkhe har Ahmadi ke liyeh.

2. Maali qurbani imaaniyat ka hissa hey deen e islam ki ishaat or osko mustahkem karne k liyeh hamesha se he mali qurbani ki jaati mager ye sirf hur individual pur munhasir hota hey wo kitna desakta hey lazmi nahi ke wo bari bari raqoom de. Maqsed sirf sawab hasil karna hota hey tehreek me shamil ho ker. Tehreek e jadeed or waqf e jadeed ke nizam keh tehah Jamaati kuteb, mukhtalif ghareeb mumalik me masajid, school, hospitals or mission qaim karna hota hey. Lazmi chanda jaat me sirf chanda Aaam or Zakat hey. Baaki sub tehreekain aap apne istetaat ke mutabik de sakte hain ya shamil ho sakte hain.

3. Namaz ka bajamaat ada karna Masjid me Farz hey yeh aap kissi uhde daar ya kissi ke liyeh nahi karte sirf apne liyeh karte hain or sunnat e rasool hey. Aap ki sunnet hey namaz ko bakaidgi se masjid me ba jamaat ada karna. Baaki raha ke jamat ka uhde daar apko masjid pur bolata hey wo is liyeh bolata hey keh Quran me irshad he ke momaneen ko baar baar remind karwao naiki ki taref. Yeh aap pur munhasir aap jana chahain ya nahi mager sunnat yeh hee kahey gi keh namaz masjid me jaa ker ada ki jaye. Baaki raha jamaat ka kaam wo tu ruk nahi sakta aap nahi karain ge koie or kar lega wo tu nahi rooke ga. Ik shair hey Khalifa tul Massiah Sani ka wo farmate hain.

Khidmat e deen ko ik fazle Ilahi jano
iske badle me kabhi taalib e inaam na ho

ager aapki masroofiyaat ijazet nahi deti tu yeh aap pur munhasir hey. Khalifa ka kaam hey jamat ki islah karna or tawajo dilana naiki taref. or jamaat me shamil logon ka kaam hey naiki ko apnana. Khalifa sirf os sooret me action leta hey jub koie cheez ya wakiya aisa ho jis se jamaat ya nizaam ko khatra ho.

yeh mukhtasiren apke liyeh.

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Dear

Following the true path is never easy. Hazrat Imam Hussain was martyred even though he was following the correct faith and did no wrong himself still people of the time mistreated him. You need to do what is right and if there are problems then bear them with patience.

As far the Sunnis....they haven't done anything right in the last 400 years and their fate is to just fade away over time.

Wassalam

rana_tipu - April 18, 2006 06:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (insha_ji @ Apr 18 2006, 07:45 PM)
Truth Finder...

1. Asoolen koie apke khilaf karwaiee karne ka mijaaz nahi na tehkeer karna jaiz hey.
2. Asoolen koie apke khilaf karwaiee karne ka mijaaz nahi na tehkeer karna jaiz hey. Chanda Aaam lazmi chanda hey jo bhi Hazert Massiah Maood ki bait karta hey ose yeh chanda dena hey kion ke yeh onhi ka jaari karda hey. Wasiyyet or Chanda aam 2 mukhtalif cheezain hain Jo shakhs wasiyyet karta hey ose chanda aam nahi dena parta wo sirf wasiyyet ka chanda deta hey. Jo shakhs wasiyyet nahi karta wo Sirf Chanda aam deta hey. Baaki chanda jaat sub volunteer basis hain.
3. Asoolen koie apke khilaf karwaiee karne ka mijaaz nahi na tehkeer karna jaiz hey.


Ik sawal meri taref se aap ke liyeh. Aaap ka Ahmadiyyat me shamil hone ka irada kis wajah se hey.

Insha jee chandon aur wasiyat ki jo derail main nay dee hay kya woh ghalat hay,

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Dear

Following the true path is never easy. Hazrat Imam Hussain was martyred even though he was following the correct faith and did no wrong himself still people of the time mistreated him. You need to do what is right and if there are problems then bear them with patience.

As far the Sunnis....they haven't done anything right in the last 400 years and their fate is to just fade away over time.

Wassalam

what you mean from your last paragraph, and also this is a urdu froum kaoshish kar kay urdu mian likhian.

shukria

Rana Tipu

Truth Finder - April 18, 2006 09:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (insha_ji @ Apr 18 2006, 01:45 PM)
Truth Finder...

1. Asoolen koie apke khilaf karwaiee karne ka mijaaz nahi na tehkeer karna jaiz hey.
2. Asoolen koie apke khilaf karwaiee karne ka mijaaz nahi na tehkeer karna jaiz hey. Chanda Aaam lazmi chanda hey jo bhi Hazert Massiah Maood ki bait karta hey ose yeh chanda dena hey kion ke yeh onhi ka jaari karda hey. Wasiyyet or Chanda aam 2 mukhtalif cheezain hain Jo shakhs wasiyyet karta hey ose chanda aam nahi dena parta wo sirf wasiyyet ka chanda deta hey. Jo shakhs wasiyyet nahi karta wo Sirf Chanda aam deta hey. Baaki chanda jaat sub volunteer basis hain.
3. Asoolen koie apke khilaf karwaiee karne ka mijaaz nahi na tehkeer karna jaiz hey.


Ik sawal meri taref se aap ke liyeh. Aaap ka Ahmadiyyat me shamil hone ka irada kis wajah se hey.

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rana_tipu - April 19, 2006 08:19 AM (GMT)
iss baat ka in qadinion kay pass koi jawab nahin hay, janab turth finder sb.

sid - April 19, 2006 01:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Truth Finder @ Apr 18 2006, 09:31 PM)
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DIL KAY AFFSSANEY..... NEGHAHON SEY JUBAN TAK PUHCHAY :blush: :no: :yes:
BAT CHAL NIKLEEHAY.... ABB DAYKHAYN KAHAN TAK PUHCHAY
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Truth Finder - April 20, 2006 05:46 AM (GMT)
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Truth Finder - April 20, 2006 08:46 PM (GMT)
Ahmadiyo ko chahiyen ke they should answer my questions according to the Nizam-e-ahmadiya. I want to know the Truth about Ahmadiya Nizam.

Khamoshi se kese mai Haqeeqat samajh sakoonga? ager ahmadiyat ka nizaam wakai Islam ke ussolo par qayam hai, tu sabit karna chaiyen.

mai yaha par sirf aitraz karne nahien aya. nukta cheeniya karne nahien aya. balke ahmadiya nizam or jamaat ko samajhhne aya hoon. ke aya wakai ahmadiya nizam islami usoolo ke mutabiq banaya gaya hai, ya phir wese he ban gaya...


sid - April 21, 2006 11:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Truth Finder @ Apr 20 2006, 08:46 PM)
Ahmadiyo ko chahiyen ke they should answer my questions according to the Nizam-e-ahmadiya. I want to know the Truth about Ahmadiya Nizam.

Khamoshi se kese mai Haqeeqat samajh sakoonga? ager ahmadiyat ka nizaam wakai Islam ke ussolo par qayam hai, tu sabit karna chaiyen.

mai yaha par sirf aitraz karne nahien aya. nukta cheeniya karne nahien aya. balke ahmadiya nizam or jamaat ko samajhhne aya hoon. ke aya wakai ahmadiya nizam islami usoolo ke mutabiq banaya gaya hai, ya phir wese he ban gaya...

TUMHAIN JANTEYHAIN LAKIN TUMHAIN MANTEY NAHI HAIN
MARAY SARKAR KO PASAND HAI YEH TAJAHUL-E-ARIFANA



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insha_ji - April 21, 2006 12:20 PM (GMT)
Truth finder brother.. Im looking for a book which has detail information about Nizaam e Jamaat. Taa aap ose parhlain or samjhlain.

Jahan tuk kissi auhdedaar ki baat hey jo yeh karta hey ya wo karta hey. Iska nizaam ke saath koie talooq nahi. Yeh baat bohet kum jagah paiee jati jis ka aap ziker kar rahe hain. Mey yeh nahi kehta ke bilkul nahi hey. hey mager bohet kum. Me apni baat karta hoon mey paidaishi ahmadi hoon. Africa me bhi raha Pakistan me or USA me hota hoon aaj kel. Mujhe aaj tuk kissi ne chanda dene pur majboor nahi kia. Haan wada likhwata hoon or poora karne ki koshish karta hoon.
Asel cheez taqwa hey. Taqwa se jitna koie de de majboor kissi ko nahi kiya jata, ager koie karta hey tu wo ghalat karta hey. Aap khalifa Waket ko thereer kar ke bata dain keh falan jagah pur yeh ho raha hey. Aaap apne rishtedaar ki taref se khat likh dain Khalifa e waket ko keh jinaab aisee soorate haal hey iska kuch kia jaye.

Truth Finder - April 22, 2006 03:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (insha_ji @ Apr 21 2006, 12:20 PM)
Truth finder brother.. Im looking for a book which has detail information about Nizaam e Jamaat. Taa aap ose parhlain or samjhlain.

Jahan tuk kissi auhdedaar ki baat hey jo yeh karta hey ya wo karta hey. Iska nizaam ke saath koie talooq nahi. Yeh baat bohet kum jagah paiee jati jis ka aap ziker kar rahe hain. Mey yeh nahi kehta ke bilkul nahi hey. hey mager bohet kum. Me apni baat karta hoon mey paidaishi ahmadi hoon. Africa me bhi raha Pakistan me or USA me hota hoon aaj kel. Mujhe aaj tuk kissi ne chanda dene pur majboor nahi kia. Haan wada likhwata hoon or poora karne ki koshish karta hoon.
Asel cheez taqwa hey. Taqwa se jitna koie de de majboor kissi ko nahi kiya jata, ager koie karta hey tu wo ghalat karta hey. Aap khalifa Waket ko thereer kar ke bata dain keh falan jagah pur yeh ho raha hey. Aaap apne rishtedaar ki taref se khat likh dain Khalifa e waket ko keh jinaab aisee soorate haal hey iska kuch kia jaye.

theek hai aap mujhe nizam e jamaat ke bare mai kitab ka naam bata dey, ya online link deday.

filhal aik sawal kardeta hoon;

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Truth Finder - April 22, 2006 05:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (sid @ Apr 21 2006, 12:42 PM)
WAH JEE WAH YA NAM BATDAYN AOUR WAHAN UN GARIB PER AFATOON KA PAHAR TUTPARAHGA. :boxing: WO GARIB TU MARA GAYA BACHARA. (;;crying)

TUSEE SHEKAYAT KARDAY HO. :redblink: KHALIFA JEE NOO KEYNDO HO. :realmad:
SADEE NOKRI MARWA DITEE. :realmad:
TUSEE TU MUNAFIQ HO JEE.
:realmad: :udm


iss baat par zara wazahat farmaiye Daleel ke saath .

rana_tipu - April 22, 2006 08:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Truth Finder @ Apr 22 2006, 11:26 AM)
QUOTE (sid @ Apr 21 2006, 12:42 PM)
WAH JEE WAH YA NAM BATDAYN AOUR WAHAN UN GARIB PER AFATOON KA PAHAR TUTPARAHGA. :boxing: WO GARIB TU MARA GAYA BACHARA. (;;crying)

TUSEE SHEKAYAT KARDAY HO. :redblink: KHALIFA JEE NOO KEYNDO HO. :realmad:
SADEE NOKRI MARWA DITEE. :realmad:
TUSEE TU MUNAFIQ HO JEE.
:realmad:  :udm


iss baat par zara wazahat farmaiye Daleel ke saath .

simply kah aagar aap un apany rishtah daron ko disclose karain gay ya woh khud shikayat karin gay to phir jo kuch un kay sath ho ga :bigshoot: :cruelfire: :bangbang: yeh aap khud he bahtar jantay hain kuch samjahanay ki zaroorat nahin hay :jay:

:silly2:

Rana Tipu

sid - April 23, 2006 01:04 PM (GMT)
BOHAT BOHAT SHOKRIYA Truth Finder SAHIB APP NEY HUM PER NAZAR TU DALEE. hi.gif

APP NEY WAZAHAT WO BHI DALEEL KAY SATH MANGEE HAY AGER MAIN KUCH ARRZ KARONGA TU CHATHA MON BARI BAT HOG. :blush:

APP APNI POST KA EK BAR MUTALA KARAN JAWAB USS MAIN MOJOOD HAY. AAK DO SAWAL KARONGA PHER POST PARYE GA WAZAHAT WO BHI DALEEL KAY SATH WAZAY HOJAIGEE.:up:

1)APP KAY WOH RISHTEYDAR HAIN YAQENAN APP NEY UNHAYN BACHPAN SAY DHEKAH HOGA?
APP KEE POST SAY LAGTA NARAMDIL ADMI HAYN APP UN KEE TAQLEF DEKH KER APP NAY UNKA ZIKAR KEY HAY. :thumpbup:

2) UMER MAIN WOH APP SAY BARAY HONGAY PANDRA BEESS SAAL SAY APP UN KO JANTEY HAIN KAYA APP SAMJHTEY HAIN KEY UNLOGON NEY KABHI YE MAHSOOS NAHI KEYA KAY UN KAY SATH NAINSAFEE HORAHEE HAY. :yes: AKHER KO WOH INSAN HANY ;): ZAROOR KEY HOGA. :yes: ZAROOR YA SOCHA HOGA KEY HAM LOGON KE TAKLEEF JAMAT DOOR KOIN NAHI KARTI. :realmad: (JAMAT ISS KEE DAWAY DAR HAY KAY GAREEBOON KEE MADAD KARTI HAY USS CHANDAY SAY JO WOH JAMATEE LONGON SAY WASOOL KARTI HAY CHANDA KAHAN JATA HAY YE WOH JANAY YA ALLAH JANAY) :grins: BALKAY CHANDA WASOOL KAR KAY AOUR TAKLEEF MAIN DAL DAYTEE HAY. :sp: KESEESSAY SHEKAYAT KA KHEYAL KOIN NAHI AYE YA PHER AYA TU KIUN NAHI KEE KOI TU WAJHAY HOGI :q; APP SAY UMER MAY BARAY HAIN PADAISHEE QADIYNI HONGAY NIZAM KO JANTEY HAIN. :thedevil: JO CHANDA LAYNEY ATAY HAIN UN KO JANTEY HAIN. :thedevil:
UN KEE BEBASEE (;;crying) ISS BAT KEE WAZAHT OR DALEEL HAY JO APP KAY SAWAL MAIN HAY. :mrtears:



:deepthinking:

rana_tipu - April 23, 2006 04:30 PM (GMT)
truth finder sb. aap aisay he idhar udhar ghoom rahay ho ROHANI KHAZAIN ko ghor say parho aur agar nahin parh sakty to phir issi forum main kissi bhi thread main jahan mirza kay character par bahas ho rahi ho ussay parho, phir aap jo kay mirza sb. ko aik majadad mantay ho uss say bhi hat jao gay :isnsha:


:ws

Rana Tipu

Truth Finder - April 24, 2006 01:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (sid @ Apr 23 2006, 01:04 PM)
BOHAT BOHAT SHOKRIYA Truth Finder SAHIB APP NEY HUM PER NAZAR TU DALEE. hi.gif

APP NEY WAZAHAT WO BHI DALEEL KAY SATH MANGEE HAY AGER MAIN KUCH ARRZ KARONGA TU CHATHA MON BARI BAT HOG. :blush:

APP APNI POST KA EK BAR MUTALA KARAN JAWAB USS MAIN MOJOOD HAY. AAK DO SAWAL KARONGA PHER POST PARYE GA WAZAHAT WO BHI DALEEL KAY SATH WAZAY HOJAIGEE.:up:

1)APP KAY WOH RISHTEYDAR HAIN YAQENAN APP NEY UNHAYN BACHPAN SAY DHEKAH HOGA?
APP KEE POST SAY LAGTA NARAMDIL ADMI HAYN APP UN KEE TAQLEF DEKH KER APP NAY UNKA ZIKAR KEY HAY. :thumpbup:

2) UMER MAIN WOH APP SAY BARAY HONGAY PANDRA BEESS SAAL SAY APP UN KO JANTEY HAIN KAYA APP SAMJHTEY HAIN KEY UNLOGON NEY KABHI YE MAHSOOS NAHI KEYA KAY UN KAY SATH NAINSAFEE HORAHEE HAY. :yes: AKHER KO WOH INSAN HANY ;): ZAROOR KEY HOGA. :yes: ZAROOR YA SOCHA HOGA KEY HAM LOGON KE TAKLEEF JAMAT DOOR KOIN NAHI KARTI. :realmad: (JAMAT ISS KEE DAWAY DAR HAY KAY GAREEBOON KEE MADAD KARTI HAY USS CHANDAY SAY JO WOH JAMATEE LONGON SAY WASOOL KARTI HAY CHANDA KAHAN JATA HAY YE WOH JANAY YA ALLAH JANAY) :grins: BALKAY CHANDA WASOOL KAR KAY AOUR TAKLEEF MAIN DAL DAYTEE HAY. :sp: KESEESSAY SHEKAYAT KA KHEYAL KOIN NAHI AYE YA PHER AYA TU KIUN NAHI KEE KOI TU WAJHAY HOGI :q; APP SAY UMER MAY BARAY HAIN PADAISHEE QADIYNI HONGAY NIZAM KO JANTEY HAIN. :thedevil: JO CHANDA LAYNEY ATAY HAIN UN KO JANTEY HAIN. :thedevil:
UN KEE BEBASEE (;;crying) ISS BAT KEE WAZAHT OR DALEEL HAY JO APP KAY SAWAL MAIN HAY. :mrtears:



:deepthinking:

:salam:

haa ji bilkul ye baat dursut hai. tu iss ki kiya waja hai, Quraan mai saaf saaf likha hai Allah momino (Musalmano) ko jaan or maal ke NUKSAAN se azmaye ga.

mager ahmadi ohdedaraan irshad farmate hai, ke nahien. Allah sirf maal ziyada kare ga.

ye aakhir aysa Q karte hay. kia koi Nizam-e-Ahmadiya se ta'luq rakhne wala ahmadi hai jo iss ka jawab desakey. !!

or mere doosrey sawal ka jawab bhe abhi tak nahien mila. aakhir ahmadi log jab kisi ko tableegh karte hay, tu sawalo ke jawabat dena nahien jante ??

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sid - April 24, 2006 10:11 AM (GMT)
JEE Truth Finder SAHIB APP NEY EK DO SAWALAT KEAY HAIN KOI QADIYANI TU UN KA JAWAB NA DAYGA :dontangry: BALKAY :curse ....LAKIN KOSHISH KARON GA UN KA JAWAB MINE DONGA :D2 INSHAALLAH.

MAGER APP KE URDU POST NAHI AIYE :no: DOBAR POST KARAN SATH MAIN JAWAB DONGA.
SATH MAIN APPAN TARUF BHI DAYDIJEYGA AGER TABIYAT PER BAR NA HO TU? :D2


:deepthinking:

insha_ji - April 24, 2006 01:34 PM (GMT)
Truth finder aap ne resaalah alwasiyyet paraha hey, ya nahi.. ager nahi tu pehley parhlain phir etraaz karain.

rana_tipu - April 24, 2006 03:47 PM (GMT)
welcome back insha je bohat intezar karwaya

:applause: :thumpbup: hi.gif :grp :deepthinking:

Truth Finder - April 25, 2006 12:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (insha_ji @ Apr 24 2006, 01:34 PM)
Truth finder aap ne resaalah alwasiyyet paraha hey, ya nahi.. ager nahi tu pehley parhlain phir etraaz karain.

:salam: insha sahib

may nai risala alwasiyat bohot achi tarha pardha hai, oss mai likha hai ke hazrat mirza sahib nai apni ZAMEEN qabristan ke liye waqf ki.

baat ye nahien hai ke Mirza sahib nai mali Kurbany ki ya nahien ki. beshak hazrat mirza sahib nai khud bhe mali kurbany ki hai. mujhe iss ka pata hai. or mirza sahib ke ahl-o-ayal nai bhe khoob bardh chardh kar mali kurbany ki hai.

Mera sawal sirf or sirf ye hai;

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Truth Finder - April 25, 2006 01:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (sid @ Apr 24 2006, 10:11 AM)
JEE Truth Finder SAHIB APP NEY EK DO SAWALAT KEAY HAIN KOI QADIYANI TU UN KA JAWAB NA DAYGA :dontangry: BALKAY :curse ....LAKIN KOSHISH KARON GA UN KA JAWAB MINE DONGA :D2 INSHAALLAH.

MAGER APP KE URDU POST NAHI AIYE :no: DOBAR POST KARAN SATH MAIN JAWAB DONGA.
SATH MAIN APPAN TARUF BHI DAYDIJEYGA AGER TABIYAT PER BAR NA HO TU?:D2


:deepthinking:

:salam: sid sahib

Theek hai, ager aap jawab desakte hay tu welcome !

mai apna naam waghera batana nahie chahta, sirf ye bata deta hoon ke mai pakistan, Peshawer. mai rihaishpazeer hoon.

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sid - April 25, 2006 11:44 AM (GMT)
AAA

insha_ji - April 25, 2006 01:04 PM (GMT)
Aaap mujhe Risala Alwasiyyet ka safha number batain mey isko daikh ker phir aap se baat karoonga.

rana_tipu - April 25, 2006 04:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (insha_ji @ Apr 25 2006, 07:04 PM)
Aaap mujhe Risala Alwasiyyet ka safha number batain mey isko daikh ker phir aap se baat karoonga.

INsha jee aap rasala alwasyat kay page 29 ki 5th line ko ghour say parhain aap ko aap ka jawab mil jaye ga

Rana Tipu

Mr OuiJa - April 25, 2006 04:59 PM (GMT)
Truth Finder Sb

Assalamo Alaikum

Mene apka Akhri Sawal jo Hz Masih Maood :as: ke Sharait ke bare mai hai para. Uska siraf yehi jawab hai, ke Hz Masih Maood :as: ne jo Shertain rakheen hain Behashti Maqbara ke liye wo unke liye hain jo unke Khadan main nahin. Ab jo Sawal hai Paband Islam, Mutaqi aur Iman lane ka, to my dear apne kayoon eik cheez ko galat jaga per thomp rahe hain, jo wahan set nahin hoti.
Jo Ahmadi Muslim hai uski BAIT ke waqt hi ye ahed hota hai ke wo Islam ke taleem ko poora kare ga. To ab masla kahan hai?
Apne siraf eik sharat dedi jo Deen ke mutaliq thee, baki bhi to shartain hain jo siraf Paper work wali hain.

rana_tipu sahib ab jo ahmedi.org ka ganda propaganda yahan per bar bar paste ker rahe hain, uska kiya faida. I mean Islam ke khilaf bhi gande propagande log kertain hain, kiya wo maan lain?

Jis Shaksh ko Ahmadiyyat ki alif be ka nahin pata wo KHAAK etraz kare ga.

btw mera beta(son) wapis ghar a giya hai, bohat bohat shukriya duaaon ka, Allah(swt) apko is ka ajar de. Ameen

rana_tipu - April 25, 2006 05:45 PM (GMT)
Janab Mr. Ouija Sb.

you said
QUOTE
rana_tipu sahib ab jo ahmedi.org ka ganda propaganda yahan per bar bar paste ker rahe hain, uska kiya faida.


aap ki itla kay liye aarz hay kah main ahmedi org sy data nahin laita brother, main jo kuch bhi paste karta hoon woh khud likhta hoon, ho saktta hay koi aik aadh reply wahan say paste kar diya ho laikin main jo bhi likhta hoon woh mian khud he likhta hoon right.
QUOTE
I mean Islam ke khilaf bhi gande propagande log kertain hain, kiya wo maan lain?

brotherm islam kay khilaf jo koi bhi prpeganda karta hay uss kay sath hum muslamn log baat kar saktay hain dlail day saktay hain, hamin munh chupanay ki zaroorat nahin parhti, nabi kareem :saw: ki aswah hussana pay baat baghair jujkay hum log kar saktay hian, humain haqeeqat say nazrain nahin churrani parhti. laikin mirza sb. kay charracter kay baray main koi qadiani baat he nahin karta aur na he kar sakta, woh munh chupatay phirtay hain, kion iss ki kya wajah hay, agar meri baat ghalat hay to meray thread JHOOTA KON main aain aur discuss karain :grp main aap ko wahan khush amdaid kahata hoon
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Jis Shaksh ko Ahmadiyyat ki alif be ka nahin pata wo KHAAK etraz kare ga.

btw mera beta(son) wapis ghar a giya hai, bohat bohat shukriya duaaon ka, Allah(swt) apko is ka ajar de. Ameen


aap ki yeh baat bilkul darust hay jissay qadianit ka kuch nahin pata woh kya khak itraz karay ga, laikin jisay kuch pata ho woh to aitraz kar sakta hay, jo deen ko duniya pay muqadam rakhta hay woh to aitraz kar sakta hay, jo hazoor pak :saw: ko akhri nabi manta hay woh aitraz kar sakta hay.

waiday by the way aap ka kya miar hay kah kaisay aap yeh kah saktay ho kah next person ko qadianit ka kuch pata nahin woh kaisay itnay accurate hawalay day sakta hay, ya to aap meray diye gay hawaly ghalat sabit karo ya phir un pay discuss karo

Shukria


RANA TIPU

Truth Finder - April 26, 2006 01:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mr OuiJa @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM)
Apne siraf eik sharat dedi jo Deen ke mutaliq thee, baki bhi to shartain hain jo siraf Paper work wali hain.


:ws:

paper work wali shertain tu theek hay. lekin asel baat to wasiyyat ki sharto se Mutaliq hai, jis mai paper work and non paper work sab shamil hay.

Munafik kon hoga jo inn paper work wali sharaiyt par amal nahien karega !! ?

lekin islam ke mutabiq tu asal munafik wo hota hai, jo Deen par Amal na kare. yani deen ki sharaiyt ko na karne wala munafik kehlata hai. naake dunya ki sharaiyt ko !!


meraypass - April 26, 2006 01:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Truth Finder @ Apr 26 2006, 01:30 AM)
QUOTE (Mr OuiJa @ Apr 25 2006, 04:59 PM)
Apne siraf eik sharat dedi jo Deen ke mutaliq thee, baki bhi to shartain hain jo siraf Paper work wali hain.


:ws:

paper work wali shertain tu theek hay. lekin asel baat to wasiyyat ki sharto se Mutaliq hai, jis mai paper work and non paper work sab shamil hay.

Munafik kon hoga jo inn paper work wali sharaiyt par amal nahien karega !! ?

lekin islam ke mutabiq tu asal munafik wo hota hai, jo Deen par Amal na kare. yani deen ki sharaiyt ko na karne wala munafik kehlata hai. naake dunya ki sharaiyt ko !!


Truth finder if you are not happy with Ahmadiyyat, you can stay were you are but please stop boring everyone.

If you think PM was a Mujaddad then you must accept his judgment as he is the best among us. On the other side Hazrat Omer did not ask proof for every ayat in Quran or every hadith, he just listened to a few ayat and understood this could not be wrong faith, because he had a honest heart. So please check your side as well, do not find smallest of excuses to avoid accepting the truth.

As for misbehaviour of few, what has not happened in the mainstream Islam and still not happening? Even from the time of HP's death. Does this make the founder of Islam wrong or Islam wrong?

This is the gist of things and if you are still not happy please supplicate in private do not waste everyone’s time. Its not up to us to change anyone’s heart. We are just people like you.

rana_tipu - April 26, 2006 02:16 PM (GMT)
meray pass je aap ki itla kay lie aarz hay kah yeh urdu forum hay iss liye URDU pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee


Rana Tipu

sid - April 26, 2006 02:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (meraypass @ Apr 26 2006, 01:04 PM)





Truth finder if you are not happy with Ahmadiyyat, you can stay were you are but please stop boring everyone.

If you think PM was a Mujaddad then you must accept his judgment as he is the best among us. On the other side Hazrat Omer did not ask proof for every ayat in Quran or every hadith, he just listened to a few ayat and understood this could not be wrong faith, because he had a honest heart. So please check your side as well, do not find smallest of excuses to avoid accepting the truth.

As for misbehaviour of few, what has not happened in the mainstream Islam and still not happening? Even from the time of HP's death. Does this make the founder of Islam wrong or Islam wrong?

This is the gist of things and if you are still not happy please supplicate in private do not waste everyone’s time. Its not up to us to change anyone’s heart. We are just people like you.

WAH JEE WAH MAHFIL TU JAWAN HOGAI HAY EK DO DIN HUM FORUM PER NAHI AYE TU MAHFIL RANGEEN HOGI. :jay: :yaok:



WAH MERAYPASS JEE APP KAY PASS KAY HA APP KO KISS NAY KAHDIYA KAY PAP LOGON KAY DII BADAL SASKTAY HAY 200 MILLION KO TU DHEKY RAHA HON :rotfl: JIN KAY DIL APP NAY BADAL DAIYA. :cruelfire:

AKHRIHARBA APP LONGO KA YA HOTA HAY KAY JAB APP SAY JAWAB NAHI BAN PATA TU KAHTAY HO KAY APP APPNI KOR HAM TU JHOOT PER QAYAM RAHAY GAY. JAWAB SAHI DAY NAHISAKTAY POINT KO EDHAR KA UDHAR KARDAY HO.
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