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wottabout - July 12, 2004 03:02 PM (GMT)
I would like to know if anyone else has anything to say about Ollivander, who in my mind is probably a Death Eater.

Moncal - July 12, 2004 04:44 PM (GMT)
He is a little excentric certainly, but I don't think that there is any evidence to support that he is a death eater.

Parvati - July 12, 2004 06:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wottabout @ Jul 12 2004, 09:02 AM)
I would like to know if anyone else has anything to say about Ollivander, who in my mind is probably a Death Eater.

is there anything that makes you think that? Because it seems we dont know anything about ollivander to be able to say hes a death eater

Sire - July 12, 2004 08:29 PM (GMT)
To support the theory, he knew Viktor Krums wand was a Gregorovitch creation and didn't seem to speak with whatshisface, the Durmstrang Headmaster in book 4. Just seemed to get Viktor over and done with, more so than the others. Even though he spent more time with Harry's wand. Perhaps transfixed that his supposed master owned the wands brother. But in book 1 he expressed his sorrow at selling the wand that caused Harry's scar.

Padfoot90 - July 12, 2004 09:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Moncal @ Jul 12 2004, 04:44 PM)
He is a little excentric certainly, but I don't think that there is any evidence to support that he is a death eater.

I was looking for a spot to put this in: From mugglenet.

Ollivanders is an anagram of Ronald Lives or Ronald's Evil

This could hold several meanings. I think it's safe to assume that Ronald is Ron, and so it may mean that Ron will not die throughout the seven books. However, it may also have been a clue for Book 5. When Mrs. Weasley tackles the Boggart and Ron is sprawled across the carpet, some of us thought he was actually dead. This anagram may have told us 3 books before that he wasn't really dead in this instance. It may also tell us that if Ron does appear to die in future books, it will not be true. As for the second possibility, I think it's just a coincidence.



Ollivander is an anagram of An Evil Lord

This could mean that Mr Ollivander is not someone to be trusted or is on the side of Voldemort.

Sire - July 12, 2004 09:06 PM (GMT)
My God. I didn't think anyone could put that much effort into anagrams. Well done.

Moncal - July 13, 2004 12:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sire @ Jul 12 2004, 03:29 PM)
To support the theory, he knew Viktor Krums wand was a Gregorovitch creation and didn't seem to speak with whatshisface, the Durmstrang Headmaster in book 4. Just seemed to get Viktor over and done with, more so than the others. Even though he spent more time with Harry's wand. Perhaps transfixed that his supposed master owned the wands brother. But in book 1 he expressed his sorrow at selling the wand that caused Harry's scar.

I wouldn't trust the supposed best wand maker if he couldn't identify a competitor's product. Given that he knew where krum was from, it wouldn't have been too hard to research and since krum is famous it is probably in a few books where he got his wand from.

wottabout - July 13, 2004 05:20 PM (GMT)
Ollivander did say that Voldemort did great things. Terrible, but great. And how did he know that Harry's wand was the brother of Voldemort's wand? When Voldemort bought the wand, his name was Tom Riddle. No on would know Voldemort's true identity unless they were close followers of him. Then again, J.K. Rowling might've (gasp!) made a mistake.

Lupin - July 13, 2004 09:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sire @ Jul 12 2004, 02:29 PM)
To support the theory, he knew Viktor Krums wand was a Gregorovitch creation and didn't seem to speak with whatshisface, the Durmstrang Headmaster in book 4. Just seemed to get Viktor over and done with, more so than the others. Even though he spent more time with Harry's wand. Perhaps transfixed that his supposed master owned the wands brother. But in book 1 he expressed his sorrow at selling the wand that caused Harry's scar.

Has it conisdered to you that since Mr Ollivander can remember every single wand he ever made, it isn't that big of a deal that he remembers the name of another wand company.

While we are on the subject of wands, does anyone think that Hermonies wand contains Dragon Heartstring. As we know, Harrys has Fawkes tail feather, Ron has a Unicorn Hair, so it seems logical that Hermionie has dragon heartstring. Also in OoP, Ron says that Dragon something is suppose to give you real brain power.

Lupin - July 13, 2004 09:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sire @ Jul 12 2004, 03:06 PM)
My God. I didn't think anyone could put that much effort into anagrams. Well done.

It's mugglenet.com you should be thanking. They have a whole section on anagrams.

Moncal - July 13, 2004 10:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (wottabout @ Jul 13 2004, 12:20 PM)
Ollivander did say that Voldemort did great things. Terrible, but great. And how did he know that Harry's wand was the brother of Voldemort's wand? When Voldemort bought the wand, his name was Tom Riddle. No on would know Voldemort's true identity unless they were close followers of him. Then again, J.K. Rowling might've (gasp!) made a mistake.

I'm sure that lots of people knew who Voldemort was. Maybe he has some kind of magical connection to his wands.

Sire - July 14, 2004 03:02 AM (GMT)
I personally don't see Ollivander as a Death Eater. Just another bloke whom JKR wrote to be highly skilled at what he does.

Padfoot90 - July 14, 2004 03:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sire @ Jul 14 2004, 03:02 AM)
I personally don't see Ollivander as a Death Eater. Just another bloke whom JKR wrote to be highly skilled at what he does.

Me either i guess, i dont really see what he would gain from having someone who sells wands...

halfblood_princess - July 14, 2004 06:38 PM (GMT)
Mr. Ollivander as a deatheater... thats reaaalllllly unlikely. :no:

Padfoot90 - July 15, 2004 12:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (halfblood_princess @ Jul 14 2004, 06:38 PM)
Mr. Ollivander as a deatheater... thats reaaalllllly unlikely. :no:

But there is some evidence i guess.

Parvati - July 15, 2004 12:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (catalyst @ Jul 15 2004, 01:53 AM)
QUOTE (halfblood_princess @ Jul 14 2004, 06:38 PM)
Mr. Ollivander as a deatheater... thats reaaalllllly unlikely.  :no:

But there is some evidence i guess.

ollivander seemed to be obsessed with wands and nothing else! I don't think he cares about much else e.g. wanting loads of power

Sire - July 20, 2004 02:25 PM (GMT)
As a wand maker, would Mr Ollivander be perhaps one of the more powerful wizards? He is certainly an old man having sold Voldemort his wand. But wouldn't he need to know almost every spell in the book to make his wands? E.g. you don't make a washing maching with the intention of it cooking dinner too?

Sire - July 20, 2004 02:26 PM (GMT)
He can't be a Death Eater though. He wrote to Dumbledore to advise him that Harry had bought the brother of Voldemort's wand.

halfblood_princess - July 20, 2004 06:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sire @ Jul 20 2004, 08:26 AM)
He can't be a Death Eater though. He wrote to Dumbledore to advise him that Harry had bought the brother of Voldemort's wand.

maybe he's a traitor to both sides <_< . no, i'm still really skeptical. of all the ppl who could be a deatheater, y him??!!

Sire - July 21, 2004 04:57 PM (GMT)
I don't think he would be. There only seem to be about 40-50 Death Eaters max. Ollivander seems too wrapped up in his work to care much about good and evil.

Padfoot90 - July 22, 2004 04:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sire @ Jul 21 2004, 04:57 PM)
I don't think he would be. There only seem to be about 40-50 Death Eaters max. Ollivander seems too wrapped up in his work to care much about good and evil.

I wonder then, how could volde have done so well with so few followers? I guess a lot of them died/ were captured?

Sire - July 22, 2004 06:10 PM (GMT)
He also had an army of dark creatures at his disposal. Which makes me wonder just when the MoM began to use the Dementors to guard Azkaban, given that they have already rejoined Voldemort

Moncal - July 22, 2004 06:18 PM (GMT)
Did the dementors join or rejoin him?

Sire - July 22, 2004 06:56 PM (GMT)
Actually, I'm not sure now. I know they have joined him in Book 5, but at the start of Book 5 when Dudley gets attacked Petunia says that James had mentioned they were guarding the wizard prison.

Padfoot90 - July 22, 2004 07:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Moncal @ Jul 22 2004, 06:18 PM)
Did the dementors join or rejoin him?

when are we talking? end of five? beginning of five? first war?

wottabout - July 24, 2004 01:01 AM (GMT)
I still think Ollivander is a Death Eater. That's just the sort of sneaky thing J.K. would do. A guy who sells wands? Who'd guess? And if J.K. never says he's a Death Eater, that just proves how good he is at hiding it. :D

Padfoot90 - July 25, 2004 04:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (wottabout @ Jul 24 2004, 01:01 AM)
I still think Ollivander is a Death Eater. That's just the sort of sneaky thing J.K. would do. A guy who sells wands? Who'd guess? And if J.K. never says he's a Death Eater, that just proves how good he is at hiding it. :D

But volde wouldnt gain anything from him :P

Sire - July 26, 2004 05:44 PM (GMT)
Voldemort would suddenly know who had the wands best wands for each branch of magic.

Padfoot90 - July 28, 2004 03:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sire @ Jul 26 2004, 05:44 PM)
Voldemort would suddenly know who had the wands best wands for each branch of magic.

That still wont help, unless each wand has a weakness.

Parvati - July 31, 2004 11:54 PM (GMT)
i really dont see how ollivander can be a death eater and sell harry the very wand that benefited harry the most when he was duelling with volde. granted it meant that he was not able to kill volde with it, but it also meant volde was not able to kill him either

Sire - August 2, 2004 03:30 PM (GMT)
Too true Parvati. Ollivander just can't be a death eater. :)

Parvati - August 2, 2004 04:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sire @ Aug 2 2004, 04:30 PM)
Too true Parvati. Ollivander just can't be a death eater. :)

ollivander struck me to have many qualities of the centaurs, in that he is aware that fate does many odd things, but he acts as a mere observer and does not want to get in the way.

Padfoot90 - August 3, 2004 05:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Parvati @ Jul 31 2004, 11:54 PM)
i really dont see how ollivander can be a death eater and sell harry the very wand that benefited harry the most when he was duelling with volde. granted it meant that he was not able to kill volde with it, but it also meant volde was not able to kill him either

But it wasnt up to him. The wand chooses the wizard.

Moncal - August 5, 2004 01:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (catalyst @ Aug 3 2004, 12:02 AM)
But it wasnt up to him. The wand chooses the wizard.

He made the wand though.

Padfoot90 - August 5, 2004 04:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Moncal @ Aug 5 2004, 01:45 AM)
He made the wand though.

But he doesnt choose who gets it.

Parvati - August 7, 2004 12:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (catalyst @ Aug 5 2004, 05:05 AM)
But he doesnt choose who gets it.

neither do the centaurs affect whats happening, they just observe.

Padfoot90 - August 9, 2004 04:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Parvati @ Aug 7 2004, 12:34 AM)
neither do the centaurs affect whats happening, they just observe.

They are wrong sometimes though.

Hermione Weasley - August 24, 2004 08:25 AM (GMT)
Err, I think Ollivander is just the kind wand shop man. If Ollivander was outed as a bad guy or something, who would supply wands for everyone?

Parvati - August 24, 2004 07:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (cellochickee @ Aug 24 2004, 09:25 AM)
Err, I think Ollivander is just the kind wand shop man. If Ollivander was outed as a bad guy or something, who would supply wands for everyone?

too true. and it seems the knockturn alley crowd are much more likely to be death eaters than poor olli

fairyhunter853 - August 24, 2004 11:14 PM (GMT)
Ollivander is basically an old guy who sells wands... He may be kind of creepy at times, but that's hardly a good reason to condemn him of being a death eater.




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