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Inferno - March 18, 2008 11:54 AM (GMT)
Hello Ariel,

I'd like to know if there are any special symbols for numbers in angelic script, for instance like Roman Numerals (1=I, 5=V, 10=X etc.).

Regards,

And

Ariel of Megadriel - March 21, 2008 07:34 PM (GMT)
As Angelic script is similar to Hebrew in structure, each letter corresponds to a number. (Usually to differentiate between a letter and a number in a written phrase, a dot is placed above or below the number character.)

Here is a chart which shows the Angelic alphabets and their corresponding number patterns...

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In addition to this, there are a few number patterns found in angelic symbols.
Below is a chart of symbols seen in angelic sigils and seals to indicate a number of individuals (in a party or a host)...

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Note the similarities to the earliest (cuneiform) number structure...

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There are also examples of numerals in angelic sigils to represent numbers of units, such as armies or choirs.

Example: These symbols represent choirs/orders, and when present in a specific angels' sigil they indicate how many orders they are a part of, or how many orders they govern.

When the rungs are facing down, the symbol indicates how many orders the angel belongs to... (in this case, 3).

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When the rungs are facing up, the symbol indicates how many orders the angel governs, or is above... (in this case, 3).

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Crossing vertical bars indicate "myriads" of hosts, or angelic armies, but can be found in units... In an angelic sigil or seal, the number of bars represents the size of the host that the angel has authority over, though the amount they are "depicting" is unclear.

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The only other numerical values I can think of in angelic script is the horizontal bars on specific symbols, though this doesn't have much evidence of being linked to any system. An example is in Ariel's symbol, which has 7 horizontal bars (technically 8 in the representation below). The 7 bars represent associating angels, since Ariel is an Angel of the Presence (an Aeon), he is one of 7. Each bar represents a placement in authority. The central bar on the version below represents Ariel, the remaining bars represent the remaining Aeons.

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'Hope this answers your question...

~Ari'el

Inferno - March 23, 2008 06:30 PM (GMT)
Thank you very much, Ariel.

What are the main differences between first three alphabets? Which is the most "well-known"?

I need the corresponding symbols of "125" (as kilograms) and "2002" (as year (date)). Isn't there any symbol for 1000 in those three alphabets? What is the best way to express these numbers?

And finally, when one wants to express 125 for instance, he should put 100, 20 and 5 in order, like Roman Numerals, right?

Ariel of Megadriel - March 24, 2008 08:11 PM (GMT)
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What are the main differences between first three alphabets? Which is the most "well-known"?


In short: Celestial is a mapping script, Malachim is a command script, and Passing the river is a translation script for men.

Celestial
Celestial is the oldest angelic script & also the best known. It was once called "Bereshit" which literally means "In the beginning" because it was thought to be first "realized" by the angels during creation. In fact, it is believed that the Celestial alphabet was a source in creation itself: "God looked into [the letters] of the Torah and created the universe" - The Zohar. (The "Torah" was said to be written in the "first writing" which is identified as Bereshit / Celestial.)

Because Celestial is more or less a blueprint for the created universe it is used to "map out" or give specific direction. It was primarily used during creation, when the cosmos were growing and the lesser angels needed guidance within them. The characters of Celestial were originally directives (which cannot be fully understood by man) and where symbolically representative of specific points, directions, or routes in space. They are more commonly identified with the constellations they represent, but they are more than linear representations of constellations, they are also pictographs for directions of movement, speed and distance.

Celestial is usually used in angel - angel communication, and was not intended to be used by man (it was used before man existed). However, because it is a directional script, and has no specific limitations based on authority (see Malachim below), it is occasionally used by man, usually in mysticism rites, to direct petitions to certain properties.

While it is certainly impossible to decipher a script which is said to encompass courses along the entire known universe, Celestial; like all the angelic scripts, has a quality which makes it's use more practical. Regardless of it's characters' placement or usage, Celestial will reflect the true message of it's writer to it's intended receiver. Hence it can be written in any language, any format or direction, and it will be deciphered correctly.

Just as Malachim and Passing the River, Celestial is a variant of the Hebrew alphabet. If these angelic scripts are, in fact, old as time; than they are likely predecessors of the Semitic structures which spawned the Hebrew alphabet. This means they may have more characters, differing pronunciations etc. The Zohar, as well as Jewish mysticism, lore and Kabbalistic theory is filled with references to the importance of the Hebrew alphabet as a celestial code or blueprint for the cosmos. It has been long believed that the ancient writings "saw Hebrew letters in the stars" & sought to find structure and meaning in the alphabet by placing its origin in heaven itself. Considering that Celestial is considered as old as creation, it is possible this is the Celestial script which is being described in such a way.

Malachim
"Malachim" essentially means "Angels." This is significant considering that unlike Passing the River (and occasionally Celestial), Malachim is specifically intended for angel - angel communication, and not meant to be deciphered by man. It is seldom used to write out passages in Aiden or any other language significant to man. Usually, it is used by the angels as a code of command in messages meant to instruct or refer one another to specific charges.

While Celestial may be the oldest angelic script, Malachim has a much richer history. It is essentially a "command" script which was first used in communication between angels during the First War (the War in Heaven). It served as a means of delivering directives across Heaven which could only be deciphered by the intended recipients. Thus, it supposedly kept crucial information from the enemy while establishing a line of communication among the loyal host.

Malachim's most important feature is that regardless of it's characters' placement or usage, it will reflect the true message of it's writer to it's intended receiver. Hence it is usually written out in code so that only those who are supposed to view it will actually understand it. This would have been of course, extremely beneficial during the First War when messages could easily be intercepted. This level of particular decipherment is actually a functioning quality of all angelic scripts, but is quite significant to Malachim because of it's origins.

Malachim was actually introduced not specifically to disguise messages because of the war itself, but rather because many angels were losing their ability to directly perceive the thoughts and intentions of one another. The discord which effected Heaven even before the war began brought corruption and doubt to the lesser angels, severing their connections to their superiors. Many of these angels, however, remained loyal overall and therefore still remained in Heaven but with little means of knowing what was expected of them. At the same time, superior angels were now aware that their knowledge or power could prove dangerous if corrupt entities had access to it, and many closed their minds intentionally to their lesser comrades. Malachim was presented by these higher angels as a method of communicating direct orders and instructions to their governed angels. While higher angels can directly give orders or make their intentions known, it is sometimes crucial that such information remains hidden. Malachim was used throughout the first war & has been used since for this reason.

Malachim is called "the code of the oath" because it is, of course, often used in code and it is also a primarily directive script. This means it is used specifically to give commands, instructions, etc. down the hierarchy. "The Oath" is a term which applies to hierarchal recognition, as each angel is said to have been created under an oath which ensures that it will acknowledge it's superiors.

Transitus Fluvii - Passing the River
Passing the River, or "Transitus Fluvii" (Latin) / "Passage du Fleuve" (French) is an angelic script designed to transmit messages between angels and man. It was this script which was the first characterization of Aiden - the first language, given to Adam in the form of the First Book of Raziel (called the Sefer Adam Kadmah).

After Adam had eaten of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil he was expelled from the Garden of Eden and made to cross the great river which leads from Eden. He supplicated to God on the banks of the river for days in fear and could not move on. His prayers were answered when the angel Raziel delivered to him a book which described many secrets on the nature of God and creation. The book was intended to assist Adam on his journey to his divine nature and was written in Aiden (the language which the angels speak to man). It was only after he was given the book that he had the courage to follow the river farther out from Eden and into the rest of the world (hence - "passing the river").

Passing the River is the original Aiden script, and although Aiden was spoken before Adam's expulsion from the Garden, he had never seen or read written word. The myth based around the Sefer Raziel's introduction to Adam actually notes that Adam was completely astounded by the sound of Raziel's reading, to the point of terror.

Like all of the angelic scripts, Passing the River, regardless of it's characters' placement or usage, is said to reflect the true message of it's writer only to it's intended receiver. Although The Book of Raziel was written in Aiden, and therefore could be read by any who understood Aiden, the meaning of it's words were only accessible to the intended readers. According to Raziel: "not all alike can use the book, only he who is wise and God-fearing, and resorts to it in holiness." Apparently the Sefer Raziel, Book of Enoch, and other ancient texts were originally written in Aiden using Passing the River, thus no matter how they are translated, their words retain the true meaning of the message to those who are intended to receive it.
Passing the River is the most useful script in petitions and written prayer, because it is specifically intended as a link between man and the divine. Like all angelic scripts it is a Hebrew variant and can be used in any language because it's meaning is carried regardless of the structure of it's composure.

Passing the River, or rather Aiden, is sometimes called "The window to Adam" because Aiden was made so that angels could directly communicate with Adam and Lilith (and Eve) who could not hear their thoughts or "see into Heaven." Through Passing the River, Adam was later able to communicate to his descendants through writing.

There are a few variations on these myths:
- The name of "Passing the River" has been suggested as referring to the crossing of the Euphrates by the Jews on their return from Babylon to rebuild the Temple.
- "Passing the River" is mentioned in Giovanni Agostino Panteo's Voarchadumia contra alchimiam, published in Venice in 1530. There Pantheus claims that while the Hebrew alphabet was entrusted to Moses and Enochian to Enoch, the Transitus Fluvii was entrusted to Abraham.
- The laws written out to Moses and held in the Ark of the Covenant (the stone tablets of the 10 commandments) were originally written by the hand of God before they were smashed by Moses upon seeing the golden calf idolatry of the people. It is debated whether the script written in God's own hand was Celestial or Passing the River (if either). It is also suggested that Moses smashed the tablets because he believed the people were unworthy to view the script, as he later inscribes the commandments again, in his own hand as they are narrated to him by God.
- The Torah was likewise, said to be written by Moses under instruction from God, and is believed to be of "divine letters" which may have been the same script as the stone tablets had originally been. The Torah, according to myth was placed alongside the Ark of the Covenant (containing the tablets) when it was written.
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I need the corresponding symbols of "125" (as kilograms) and "2002" (as year (date)). Isn't there any symbol for 1000 in those three alphabets? What is the best way to express these numbers?


In the cuneiform symbol style, 125 would be...

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1000 is:

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So 2002 would be...

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These numbers in angelic script numerals would differ in their placement (the small point is used to designate a numeral and not as the digit for one hundred)... Therefore, numbers (shown below in Passing the River) are arranged as such:


125 = (Aleph - 1 / Beth - 2 / He - 5)

[Read from right to left]
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2002 = (Yod - 10 / Resh - 200 / Beth - 2)

[Read from right to left]
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Again, the dots are placed either within the characters (when using script) or above or below it (if the character shape does not give space enough) to indicate that it is a numeral and not an alphabetical letter. (Usually though, this alteration is intended for a situation in which you write out letters beside numbers... so I doubt it matters much if the number is by itself or of a set of numbers).

If you are wondering why the structure changes in the larger number, it is because there is no single digit for 1000, nor for 0 (though most ancient systems did make use of a space in place of a zero digit).

If the numbers above 1000 are written out in order, the number for 100 would have to be placed above the first digit (to indicate multiplication) and not before or after it, creating a nonlinear pattern. (This would still be viable though, in theory).

Instead, the hundreds digit is placed after the tens digit, indicating multiplication while keeping a linear pattern.
In the example of 2002 (as above) - 10 x 200 + 2...

Keep in mind, however, I cannot claim verifiability to any of these patterns. This is theoretical, at best. It is also possible that the cuneiform pattern was used in writing out numbers, which existed in a 'sexagesimal' (i.e., base-60) system.

Either way, it matters little if the number is decipherable to you. I'm not sure what you intend to use these numbers for, but use of angelic script in incantations, evocations, etc. is usually considered valid if the petitioner knows the meaning behind the script he writes... This would give an indication of pretty good leeway to any use you may have for it.

~Ari'el


Inferno - March 27, 2008 09:53 PM (GMT)
Thank you very much again, Ariel.

Alright, then:

1) Consider an angel of fury (that we discussed in the other topic) who wants to give a message to man with numbers (125 & 2002) and that it wants to write these numbers not horizontally, but vertically (from top to bottom). I read several times your message but could not decide whether Celestial or Passing the River would be more appropriate; Celestial may be written in any direction while Passing the River is used to transmit messages between angels and man... Which alphabet do you think would be most appropriate?

2) Does it matter much if, in such a situation, Celestial or Passing the River is used? Would one or another be "wrong" or "correct"?

2) Could you write 125 and 2002 also in Celestial alphabet?

Ariel of Megadriel - March 30, 2008 09:07 PM (GMT)
Passing the river would be more appropriate overall, as it is "intended" for messages between Earth and Heaven.

Hypothetically, If an angel were to write a message to a man in one of the three scripts, it would be Passing the River.

It is believed that Malachim & Celestial may have been "passed on" to man either by the Grigori (as in violation of Heaven's intentions) or in some other way that limited their use by man. Until recently, these scripts, (and even the "magical" alphabets which may have originated in them - such as Enochian, Theban, etc.) were very esoteric and not common knowledge or in common practice.

If these alphabets are used, one would assume they are for the benefit of the petitioner, as an angel is perfectly capable of understanding written modern language. They are beneficial, either through symbolism or "power", in establishing a "stronger" connection between angels and men. It would then stand to confirm that the language originally given by the angels to man, and given specifically as a method of written communication between Heaven & Earth, being Passing the River, would be the appropriate script to use.

As I've mildly implied, I believe it would matter very little to use angelic script to make written petitions or messages to the divine. Originally even Passing the River was "invented" because there was no prior form of writing.

If an angel were to send a written message, I find it unlikely that they would chose to write it out in a script which might take hours to translate, unless the translation itself - the contemplation of the symbolism - was as important as the message. In an extreme, you could say using Celestial at all is unsuitable, as it was not considered "intended" for man... but I would not call profess that one is "wrong" and the other is "right."

For the record, all three scripts can be written vertically, though I wouldn't call it traditional to do so.

Passing the River (vertical):

125:
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2002:
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Celestial (vertical):

125:
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2002:
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I should also note that the horizontal numbers would most likely be written in reverse (right to left) - in accordance to their association with Hebrew & the origins of just about every Semitic writing.

I've changed those horizontal (Passing the river) images accordingly. The cuneiform numbers remain the same, as they are read as a single character symbol.

~Ari'el

Inferno - April 7, 2008 05:44 PM (GMT)
Thank you very much, again, Ariel.

Do you have any larger and clearer version of 125 & 2002 in Passing the River (vertical)? I can not differentiate between "dots" and "holes", and three triangles (?) at the top of 10, etc.

Ariel of Megadriel - April 11, 2008 04:40 AM (GMT)
Here you are...

125:
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2002:
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There are variations on Aleph and Resh (the first digit in "125" and the second digit in "2002") but these can be written either way. The "triangles" in Yod (the first digit in "2002") are solid, and they are actually capped lines... like upside down "T" shapes, but which taper out.

~Ari'el




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