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Title: The Defilement of the Necrons
Description: Tyranids and Chaos


Darmort - June 11, 2005 09:23 PM (GMT)
Necrons.. are they truely the universe's biggest threat? Look at it this way;

Necrons, immortal self rebuilding machines, enslaved to the C'tan, the Star Gods, who feed upon life itself. Having a great War with the Oldest beings alive, the Old Ones themselves, the ones that, probably, made life as it is. The Necrons are indeed a dangerous foe, with The Dragon sleeping on Mars, The Outsider sleeping outside the main Sigmentum, and The Nightbringer and The Deciever causing death all over. Their power, yet in Game Terms, is puny. Affecting 5" after death? I'd prefer spending my 360 Points on more Necron Warriors, thank you very much.
As to the Necrons themselves, having lived on a radiant planet, sending Sleeper Ships into space and then, upon meeting the C'tan, have themselves turned into a Living Metal, would the Necrons win over the universe, suck all life from it, and then die out because of nothing to eat, because Life, as we know it, is dead forever, with the only walking things the Necrons themselves?

Or will Chaos take over, with the Warp hosting millions upon millions of Daemons, where you have to not only fight Chaos, but the Chaos Gods themselves.
Or the Tyranids devourer all life, with an eternal struggle against the Necrons, unable to run out of numbers, or perhaps fight against the essence of Chaos in it's foul Warps, where their pressence is nothing compaired to the Chaos Gods.

Which of these great Evils would RULE the universe? And if not any of these, who else could?

dark angel 17 - June 11, 2005 09:31 PM (GMT)
I would reckon the 'Nids would. Afterall, humanity has withstood the Chaos Gods' attack for over 10,000 years and the Necrons, simply don't really have the numbers to overtake humanity. The 'Nids however, aren't known much about and reputedly have taken over entire galaxies before coming to the Imperium.

Darmort - June 11, 2005 09:36 PM (GMT)
That's true, but when you look at a Necron, it just comes back to life, the only way to kill it is to melt and put it in a Guass prove container before it regrows itself. But then again, the Tyranids are mutable, mutating into what ever they need, so maybe their acids would dissolve the Necrons, making them truely dead!

dark angel 17 - June 11, 2005 09:38 PM (GMT)
And also remember that the great Nightbringer just nearly escaped death himself when the Ultramarines nearly wiped it out when it first awakened from its slumber.

Silas - June 11, 2005 09:49 PM (GMT)
Sorry, but there is NO evidence that Dragon is on Mars.

I also agree that the Tyranics would beat the Necrons. It IS possible to completely stop a Necron, there's several bits of fluff in it. All you have to do is destroy 90% of the Necron, utterly. This means basically anything that completely atomizes the poor wee thing, such as Starcannons :P

The 'nids would win purely because they are innumberable, and cannot be counter attacked as they come from a Galaxy Far Far Away, A Long Time Ago...sorry...um :P

dark angel 17 - June 11, 2005 09:52 PM (GMT)
Yes and the Hive Mind seemingly cannot be even destroyed from the fluff GW has given us.

Darmort - June 11, 2005 09:54 PM (GMT)
The Machine God is one of the C'tan, isn't he? :huh:
I remember reading that somewhere on the GW message boards. Can't be true then.... :P

Dark Angel 17; think of the mess that would of made! :D

A whole planet, or even the whole system, blown to bits! Killing a great part of the Space Marine Chapter! Yeah, would of been funny if Ultramarines had killed that Star God.

I'm surprised that neither of you think Chaos, seeing as Chaos too is innumberable, with the Warp and all that, and having to fight the essence of Chaos. But then, if Mankind died, Chaos would die, for Chaos is the human emotion. Right? So yeah, it really is the 'Nids. Bugs will rule, then die from hunger! :D

Silas - June 11, 2005 09:58 PM (GMT)
Actually the Nightbringer wouldnt have been too bothered about getting blown to bits by Ventriel. It just would have set it back some thousand years or so...

Also, i dont think the Space Marines were portrayed well in that book. What Ventriel did is more like a IG commander then a Marine commander. A SM would have just blown the planet to bits, sacrificing his own life to stop the "alien menace"

No, Chaos is not just human emotion. Its any emotion. Thats why other races can be effected by them as well. Remember, Eldar created Slaanesh.
But yeah, if all races bar the Tau, 'nids and Necrons were wiped out then Chaos would no longer exist.

Darmort - June 11, 2005 10:03 PM (GMT)
Well that won't last very long, the 'Nids going through the universe at this rate. Look at what they did to the Ultramarines 1st Company! Took it out to a man, then getting beaten by a single Terminator. The 1st Company was out of action untill it was replaced by more Marines. Poor, poor Marines...

I thought Tau had emotion, then again, 'Tis all one thing; For the Greater Good, which are the Etherals in the end, and the Etherals don't have any ties to the Warp (Play Fire Warrior through to the last mission). So yeah, I guess Tau wouldn't have to die.

Eldar are evil for making Slaanesh, intentional or not. They're evil.

Silas - June 11, 2005 10:08 PM (GMT)
Nah, Tau have no presence in the warp. So they are kinda the anti-chaos.

And i'm pretty sure it wasnt just one terminator...although i wouldnt be too suprised if it was :lol:

dark angel 17 - June 11, 2005 10:23 PM (GMT)
Yeah the entire 1st Company was nearly wiped out defending the poles of Macragge I believe. I think the 1st Company sacraficed themselves for the other Marines to eradicated the 'Nids from the planet...at least until they come again. ;)

Darmort - June 12, 2005 10:36 AM (GMT)
One Terminator would take on an entire army to save a planet....


Anyway, 'Nidsies are cool... I wonder, though, if they did win, how would they kill the C'tan? Wouldn't they just come back to life in a few thousand years, being a God, and all. :huh:

dark angel 17 - June 12, 2005 02:46 PM (GMT)
That I really don't know. But afterall, GW will never have humanity fall, they are the "good" guys. :rolleyes: But theoretically speaking, I'm sure the 'Nids could find some way to permanetly entomb the C'Tan.

Spartan-118 - June 21, 2005 03:04 AM (GMT)
Sure tyranids are imnumerable, but they can be eventually wiped out, where as the necrons, cant. The chaos are are huge factor but what are they when there warp is taken away from them?

dark angel 17 - June 21, 2005 06:32 PM (GMT)
The Necrons can be destroyed though. If you isolate them, then you can destroy the Necrons. And it'll take quite a large army to wipe out the 'Nids faster than they can regenerate.

Spartan-118 - June 30, 2005 12:27 AM (GMT)
how could you contain something that keeps regenerating and killing your men, logically, in warfare you wouldnt try to capture them when there shooting the hell out of you...




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