This morning at 8:00am, INHD2 will be showing "Logan's Run" in 1080i HIGH DEFINITION format!!!!!!! :omg:

I believe this is the FIRST TIME EVER, "Logan's Run" has been shown in HD!!!

Since I will be at work today :angryfire: I am recording the film on my HD- DVR, and will watch it later this evening. I will post my thoughts on this HiDef presentation shown by INHD later in this thread!!

This is INCREDIBLE news - and I actually stumbled upon this quite accidently this morning!

If you have INHD2 and an HD television, be sure to check out this showing of "Logan's Run" in 1080i Hi-Def format and post your thoughts on it here!!

Tonight can't get here fast enough!!!!!!!!! :excited: :excited:

Other showtimes for LR in HD on INHD2:

Nov 3 at 3:00 PM EST
Nov 4 at 4:00 AM EST

http://www.inhd.com/product.jsp?prodId=37571&mp=cb2

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I just finished watching the 1080i HiDef presentation of "Logan's Run" on INHD2 and have lots to share with everyone!

First things first, though -

I am upset that INHD2 did not show the film in it's original aspect ratio of 2.35:1, but instead cropped it down to 1.78:1 widescreen (after the opening credits ended). It switches back to 2.35:1 for the end credits. Why they decided to do this, I'll never know. It really detracted from the film, since LR was filmed with such a wide lens (TODD-AO), most of the time - just as in the case of watching it Full Frame - you can't see both people on screen at the same time. Luckily, it wasn't Full Frame - but it sure could have been! :angryfire:

Now for the good news ---

The colors and overall clarity of the film was AMAZING!!! I wish I had a way to download pictures from my DVR recorder to here so you can see the difference and major improvements over the current DVD version. Honestly, it's like night and day. White looks like WHITE on the HD version, but on the DVD - white has a more yellowish tint (more discolored and aged). The colors are much more 'fuzzy' and they tend to bleed more on the DVD. But in the HD Broadcast, the colors are sharp, clean, much more natural-looking (for faces) and do NOT bleed into other colors whatsoever!

The first image I compared between the DVD and the HD broadcast was the color of the MGM ribbon logo around Leo the Lion. On the INHD version, the ribbon is pure solid strip of WHITE. On the DVD, it looks old, fuzzy and has a string yellowish tint. I then compared the windows in Nursery and they were the exact same thing. They are pristine WHITE in the HD broadcast. However, on the DVD, they look more yellowish and discolored. Lastly, I compared faces. All of the faces on the DVD looked awash with color (mostly reds and yellows again). On the HD version, the facial colors were very clear, smooth and natural looking.

Textures were other things I noticed in HD, more so than on the DVD. Doc's table at New You has a type of checkered etching to it below the shiny covering. The colorful exterior Arcade building also has a rich texture to it that is clearly seen in HD - but not on DVD.

Some other fun things I noticed in HD:

1. The large rotating crystal hand in Arcade looked fantastic! Smooth, shiny and crystal clear! Perfect!
2. While Logan and Jessica swim in the water, you can see that Jessica has a nice little sunburn/tan on her arms!
3. Jessica's sweat now 'glistens' on her neck and chest in the sun light outside while walking down the dirt road.
4. There appear to be power lines on one of the mountains as the Sun is rising. :lol2:
5. Dirt on the Old Man's hands is now more noticable.
6. The top button on the Old Man's shirt is clearly a US copper penny, showing the tail side (Lincoln Memorial).
7. The chain pulling the miniature mazecars through the tubes around the city is more noticable.
8. In the Runner's Underground lair, Holly's cuts on her neck and chest are much more vivid and sharp than they are on the DVD.
9. The Ice Sculpture of Logan and Jessica stands out a lot more in HD!
10. Holly's teardrop at the end of the New You scene is much clearer and looks more watery (three dimensional).
11. Jessica has the cutest little mole on her chest under her chin. ;)


Mostly, the sharpest and clearest scenes in this HD broadcast were those in the lighter scenes (New You, the Ice Caves, practically all of Outside, etc). Many of the darker scenes looked a bit 'soft' and not as sharp or clear (ie Cathedral). The miniature building models and colors around the city look amazing in HD!

Also, it looked like a different print was used for this HD presentation that the print used for the DVD, as I noticed the HD version didn't have as many scratches, dirt and speckles. There still were some small film blemishes, just not as many, IMO. The picture quality of this HD version was so much clearer! Colors were all very well defined and saturated and not over-accentuated (as is the case on the DVD version, which makes the colors bleed into one another). Contrast was good and black level detail was solid!

Overall, this presentation of "Logan's Run" was pure eye candy! I highly encourage other fans to try and see this version as it was great to see things that weren't as clear and noticable before.

If the film had been presented in it's original Widescreen ratio of 2.35:1 instead of 1.78:1, it would've been absolutely terrific.

If I can ever figure out how to rip images off my HD-DVR receiver to my computer, I'll post some screen shots - but I think it's pretty much impossible - so don't stay up too late waiting....

Man! Wish I had the technology to see that!

Especially the ice cave sequence.

Especially Jessica preventing her clothes from freezing onto her. :banana:

OK...I'm not sure if I understand., plesae correctly if I'm wrong. I recently went out and bought a very nice Panisonic 47" inch rear projection DPL HDTV. and I also bought a Panisonic Progessive Scan DVD player that is also quite expensive. I have them hooked up to a very powerful 5.0 amp that I like to play in souround sound. My system is VERY Impressive. I was under the impression that I was watching my movies in HD...am I wrong ? :wallbash:

Hi Running Man,

What you are watching is really an upconverted image of a lower resolution (smaller disk space) source file. This is NOT a true HiDef experience.

Now I don't claim to be a total expert in the field of HDTV, but I do know several things that can help clarify this for you.

Normal DVD resolution output is essentially 480 interlaced horizontal lines of resolution, better referred to as 480i. 480 is the total number of horizontal lines that are 'drawn' for every frame of video on the DVD at any given time. The 'i' stands for interlaced scanning, meaning that the screen gets painted with the odd number of lines first, then it paints the even number lines second. This happens very fast for the human eye to catch - but if you could slow it down - what you would actually see happening is that the image being drawn would actually 'flicker' because these sets of alternate horizontal lines of resolution (odds then evens) are being 'drawn' separately from each other. This creates an o.k. image, but it's not as sharp or clear as it could be. This is how REGULAR DVD output is always done. Every DVD you purchase today on the market only has a horizontal resolution output of 480i (although some DVDs have been released in a special HD format, but require playback only on your computer using a program such as Microsoft's Media Player 9 series - this was how Terminator 2 - the eXtreme DVD was released about a year or so ago).

back on subject...

Progressive DVD players take the DVD's normal 480i horizontal lines of resolution and up-converts it to 480p. The 480 is again the number of horizontal lines that are drawn. The 'p', however, stands for progressive scanning. Progressive is a step above 'interlaced' because now the lines are drawn sequencial as opposed to odd then even lines. This creates a much smoother and cleaner video image over the DVD standard interlaced output. Again, the DVD is still only capable of storing images at 480i. It's the Progessive Scan DVD that creates the smoother, sharper image.

Now -- my own personal Hitachi 51" TV takes Progressive Scanning one extra step by upconverting the progressive DVD 480p lines of horizontal resolution to 540p. In other words, the TV set itself up-converges the DVD input and changes it to either 540p (540 lines of horizontal resolution in progressive mode) or 1080i (1080 lines of horizontal resolution in interlaced mode). You would have to check with your own set to see if anything like that is taking place for you.

In order for a television to be capable for High Definition, it must allow for either 720p output resolution or 1080i (or p) output resolution. Since my TV displays in either 540p or 1080i, I can also watch normal 480i DVDs in HD mode by selecting any of these 'upconverted' resolutions on my TV. However, the thing you need to remember is your original source disk's storage capacity. Normal DVDs only hold a certain amount of video storage space. It also needs storage space for the audio files. This total storage capacity is limited to the techinical specs of DVD - in other words, it can only hold so much information ont he disc. True HiDef requires up to 2 or 3x more space. You can upconvert that smaller DVD video storage disk all you want - but the truth of the matter is that since it started with less video storage data/information to begin with, it will NEVER, EVER look like true HiDefinition!!

A true HD image is one that's already been created as HiDef in the first place and takes up much more storage space than say a regular DVD. When I burn an HD-TV program onto my normal DVD recorder, it actually has to downconvert the HiDef image, because of the lower storage capacity of the DVD disc. When playing the DVD disc back, it is no longer in HiDef and the incredible picture detail and clarity has gone down the pipes. It records it as a DVD image and not HiDef because of the DVD space limitations. I would need a true HD-DVD recorder in order to retain the program's original HiDef characteristics. If these ar eeven out on the market yet, they would be very expensive - and we're still not sure which HiDef disc format is going to prevail. Blue Ray vs. HD-DVD. Sony vs Toshiba. It's still an ongoing battle - and until it's decided who wins, we won't have any true HD products for awhile in the marketplace.

So in summary, what I'm saying is that you can upconvert a regualr DVD 480i image so much, and though it may say on your television that it's now showing at 1080i resolution, it doesn't look as good as if it were originally created or broadcast as a TRUE HI-DEF signal already recorded at 1080i, as, again, the extra amount of storage and DATA you get at this HD SOURCE greatly enhances and improves the overall HiDef picture and experience!!

Again, my set upconverts my DVD resolutions too - but you also must know that HiDef is more than just a higher screen resolution. It has better color saturations, contrasts and hues - much more video information can be stored on an HD-DVD disk than can be stored on a regular DVD. Upconverting a signal doesn't improve upon these HD characteristics - but increasing the amount of video storage DATA at the sourse disc does!! (I think I already said this -- oh well, I like to drill the point home.) :nuts:

Regarding the "Logan's Run" broadcast I mentioned above....

This was broadcast in 1080i HD format AT THE SOURCE (in this case INHD2), thus making the image TRUE 1080i coming directly into my set - at full total disk space storage. This makes for a much cleaner and pristine image than one that's been upconverted several times from a smaller video storage source (such as a regular DVD or regular broadcast TV channel). I compared this HiDef Logan's Run along side of my upconverted regular DVD Logan's Run and it's an extremely different picture.

Running Man - I'm sure you have seen true Hi-Definition on your set already either via cable, satellite or OTA. If not, you really must!! It is a huge improvement over upconverting lower resolution sources!! For me, even though my set allows me to upconvert the signals from my DVD player too to 1080i -- the picture quality of a TRUE HI-DEF source always blows it away!! There is no comparison in my experience. Hi Definition broadcasts are almost always superior to watching my upconverted DVDs. (I say almost always because I have seen some Hi-Def programming of older movies that unfortunately bring out lots of film grain and defects that aren't that noticable in lower resolutions. These visible defects of the film material detract from the overall enjoyment of the film. But this is unfortuantely a bad side-effect of how powerful HiDef can be - by instead showing the poor quality of the film stock that was used for the film itself. Thankfully, Logan's Run was grain free!!)

Nice explanation Logan5! Thanks for taking the time to write that.
I'm starting to look for a new TV and having read your post I have a better idea of what I want.

Glad to offer some assistance, nems12. It can be very confusing! RPTV, LCD, Plasma, DLP - lots to choose from.

I've got a 51" RPTV Hitachi HDTV (widescreen, of course) and have had it professionally callibrated with the help of Chuck Williams, a member of the Home Theater Spot - a great website resource for all things HD!

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/findex.php

I just upgraded my smaller 27" living room set that just bit the dust with a Sony 36" WEGA HDTV (again, widescreen). Again, the colors, sharpness and overall picture clarity is simply amazing!

WOW... :o

What an explaination!!!...looks like I'm gonna have pull out my instruction manual and find out what the capabilties of my T.V. are... :doh: ... Hopefully I will be able to acheive 540p...Thanks alot Logan5...

I caught the show on INHD2 by accident when it was halfway through. I did a search for it on my online guide and set the DVR to record at its 2am start time. Long story short, we had a power failure that night and it missed the first half hour :doh: :evil: .

I would definitely agree in regards to the sharpness, clarity, and color (sounds like I'm describing a diamond :lol: ). Thank god my DVR can record in Hi-Def. I still have it on the DVR hard drive and probably always unless they rebroadcast it again so I can get the whole thing.

I have heard that they will soon be rereleasing all DVD movie titles in a high-def format. Anyone have any info on this?

Whoops, looks like I need to pay closer attention. Thats too bad. After seeing true Hi-Def movies in 1080i on the INHD channel I have been jonesing to get my hands on a true Hi-Def DVD player with compatible movies. Not that I could probably afford it after breaking the bank on my Sony 50" LCD.

Like the Comcast commercial says "Once you've seen true 1080i programming, everything else looks fuzzy."

Okay, one last post.

LR is going to be on INHD2 from 1-3 a.m. on December 5th (late Sunday night early Monday morning) so if you haven't seen it in Hi-Def yet here is your chance.