Seeing as we were overtaking elledoll's post for her banners, at jess's suggestion here's a new thread for talking about all things of a more sombre nature.

It was eating disorders on the old thread, but if there's anything serious or depressing you want to talk about, ot just get off your chest, whack it in here.

i dont know what to right anymore but i tell you what if the little sh*ts outside dont shut up i will jump out the window and squash them..

oh we could talk about the news....the wars...had to do work on that...are we still in iraq and if so do you think we should withdraw the troops

I think we're still there.
I think the troops should be withdrawn, I don't think they should have been sent in in the first place. I just keep thinking that if it was me i'd be terrified having all these soldiers running round with guns shouting thinks i don't understand, and yet claiming it's all for my own good.

Politics makes me so angry. I can't watch the 10 O'clock news any more because it gets me all worked up and angry and i can never get to sleep after.

I just hate the media full stop. They make out that the world is a far scarier place than it really is, I'm sick of it.

we did a lot of stuff on the fear of crime and it is all caused by the media....all the news seems do be is bad you rarly see something happy

Has anyone seem Bowling for Columbine? It illustrates the fact that America's gun crime is basically because of the media and it's influence.

im not suprised with that to be honest

i think the american army should withdraw because all they do is shoot us and themselfs they are incapable of helping from what i have heared
we were talking about this war thing going on between two parts of the country, i think they were fighting about politics and stuff like that but we cant say do this and that if we dont know much about it we only hear what we are told and ive alwaysed believed that you should believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see.....for all we know they have asked for our help in some countries and others just want us gone...i think we would be more helpful if we went into third world countries and help them with like water pumps and medical care stuff that is wanted and needed, i would love to go out there and help with all this stuff because its the kind work i want to do and you know there is a chance that you could have safed someone

im not keen on war but i dont really know enough about it to be worried.
Going back to disorders and that this thread should be very handy but youll end up telling me to see a pyhcritist(carnt spell lol) coz i have ocd which makes me have to tell ppl things that they dont need to know,like something i just thought of i end up thinking''i dont need to tell them that,its stupid,but ive got to''.i know i dont need to but the ocd makes me..i also have this strange blinking thing(still ocd)in which if i for instance i see someones hair i like i have to blink at it and ill get it but its getting worse and im getting worried :( i also used to pull my hair out all the time and i seem to be starting it again.i dont wash my hands all the time or anything(mostly carnt be arsed lolz)but im really glad uve made this thread(down to mia and xjessx i think. thankz! Hope youll listen to or ill get worse!! lolz

Well i'm glad you find the thread useful, and i'm more than happy to lend an ear. :)

That goes for everyone else too.

well i'm always hear to listen as well ppl say i'm good at listening :)

YAY! :hug ill also try to listen to peoples problems as well. were happy to help!

Cool!

We can start our own little GW therapy group.

I was just reading back over the conversation in elledoll's banners that prompted this thread! It nearly made me cry! I dont much like talking about it anymore, cos it is something I have put behind me! Not that it doesnt affet my life, whenever my head isnt in quite the right place, I take it out on my weight and im only a size 10! But Im pretty happy now!!

It jus still makes me angry to see all these things that were triggers for me being treated so lightheartedly! Like, celebrities who say there is nothing wrong and they eat everything all the time, when they are clearly lying! I mean, I would look at someone like Keira or Victoria Beckham and say 'if its okay for them to be 5ft8 and weigh 6stone why am I being made to eat'... it wasnt just a 'I wanna look like them' thing! They are doing this to people and they dont even seem to care!! I prefer celebrities like Liz Hurley (even though shes a bitch about it) who at least admit they have to work hard to look how they do, and admit its not really normal!

I also hate shops that do really small sizes.... I know some people are naturally small so will hate me for this.... but anyway... I used to go to topshop and pick up clothes in a size 8 and look and if they had it in a 6 I would compare them and think how ugly it looked in an 8 and that if they had a 6 then I shud be wearing a 6! And I just read the other day that topshop are introducing a size 4!!!!!! Which, in my opinion, is awful!

Anyway, this turned into a bit of a rant!! Sorry!! lol.... what were you talking about? War, oh yeah... war is bad too *insert another rant here* :)

size 4...surely that will just make people feel bigger than theyy are and think oh well i should be this big...clothes shops make me angry they should promot all sizes as being perfect. i thought it was bad enough that i could fit in size 6 but 4 who is naturallt that small it just puts pressure on people to be under weight even more.....im really bad with food as it is, i know when its getting really bad when im below a certain weight, ill eat lots so that im above a certain weight but i lose it so quick coz i used to go days with out eating that i will just forget about eating but then i think well this still doesnt fit me which then makes me feel bad about myself and i used to get so angry with shops

Size 4? Thats pretty disgusting. Noone is that slim, surely? Victoria Beckham should buy her clothes from Mothercare.

I hate clothes shops and the way you can bounce around sizes depending on what one you go to. And the way that everything is designed for ppl to be an exact shape, so if you don't fit ur buggered. With me for example certain parts of me are quite... voluptuous, so i'm a bit disproportioned, and buyin tops is a nightmare, especially in places like topshop that seem to think that everyone's built like a washboard.
I did see one positive bit of media recently, concering size and wiegt etc. it was at my gym and it had a rather large lady wearing a black evening dress and looking stunning. And with it there was a caption that was something like 'size 20. beautiful? we think so.' It really cheered me up to think that even in places like gyms they are emphasising that you can be healthy, happy and beautiful without being a size 6.
I also think Dove adverts are good for that too, i like the way they use real women.

It is nice that things like the Dove campaign is abolishing these horrid ideals. I read that in M&S they are going to put health warnings on size 20 trousers upwards. Insane.

i liked top shop i brought a cute skirt from there and everything if they start gong size 4 im not going to shop there out of principle like when they put bus fairs up me and a m8 went on bus strick and walked everywhere..

okay some thing war related just ocurred to me if we are "helping get these countries back on their feet" even if they dont seem to want it surley its gonna come back and bite us.....theres always gonna be someone that whats revenge andthey could start a war in this country when they are prepared...if they dont want hep we should leave them be

Apparently there is a size 0 in America, and I'm not joking. Size Nothing. i just find that silly, to be perfectly honest.
Serious things...the Israel-Lebanon war? George Bush is makingme SO angry in the way he's supporting Israel all the way, when it's them bombing UN observers and innocent Lebanese refugees. God, war makes me angry.

lol i had this girl randomly go to me rene zellweger is size 4 and then argued that i was jealous that there was someone skinnier than me lol size 4 there is like a size 10/12 here

A size 0 in America is a size 4 here! Thats how topshop justify selling a size 4, cos its normal in America to sell clothes that small! But thats mainly because they are all crazy and obsessive- in America its all about extremes- they are either a size 20 or a size 0!! Im glad everyone else thinks its as awful as I do that they are going to make clothes so small! It projects such a bad message- that that size is normal!

I think thats awful they are going to put health warnings on clothes!! Its just more emphasis on size! Although, health is also important and being obese is very unheathy- but so is being a size 4!

And I agree with Mia, it is annoying that all shops seem to sell things in different sizes! Im a healthy size 10 now but I still freak out sometimes when I have to buy a 12, just cos its a shop where things are sized differently! And a few months ago I was in Gap and took a 10 and 12 jeans in to try and neither of them fitted- I freaked out and took the 14, 16 and 18 in the changing room and tried them all on twice, I just lost my mind for a moment and didnt eat for 2 days. No-body thought about that when they made a rubbish pair of jeans!

If they're putting health warnings on size 20 clothes, surely they do the same for size 4?

OMg don't get me started on Gap jeans. I bought one pair which fitted really well, wore them out when to buy another pair, found exactly the same sort and had to get like 2 sizes bigger. And i hadn't put on wight co my old one's still fitted perfectly.

I once bought two lovely pairs of jeans from Gap; I went back a week or so later because I found out one of them had a huge rip in the hem, and apparently in that week they had stopped making that style! I was so annoyed. :angry:

I agree 100%!

And I dont shop in Gap now, ever. Fitting into a size 16, was too much for my fragile state! Not that there is anything wrong with being a 16, its me that has the problem!

gap drives me crazy there is nothing oridinal about them there just over priced

Up to 50 people have been killed - more than half of them children - when Israeli missiles struck a southern Lebanese village, flattening houses on top of sleeping residents.

Civil defence workers said up to 50 civilians who had sought refuge in a building that collapsed were killed.

The bodies of at least 27 children were found in the rubble, said Abu Shadi Jradi, a civil defence official at the scene.

At least 10 children's bodies had been pulled out, placed in plastic bags and loaded in ambulances, he said.

An Associated Press reporter saw 20 bodies, wrapped in white sheets, being taken away. The dead included 10 children and several elderly men and women
The Israeli army said it targeted Qana because rockets have been repeatedly launched from the area on Israel.

"We were attacking launchers that were firing missiles," said Captain Jacob Dallal, an Israeli army spokesman.

He said the army dropped leaflets several days ago telling civilians to leave Qana.

Lebanese Defence Minister Elias Murr disputed allegations that Hezbollah was firing missiles from Qana
What do you expect Israel to say? Will it say that it killed 40 children and women?" he told Qatar-based al-Jazeera TV station.

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora said the attack reinforced his calls for a ceasefire.

"There is no place at this sad moment for any discussions other than an immediate and unconditional ceasefire as well as international investigation of the Israeli massacres in Lebanon now," he said.

Lebanese security officials said the strike was at 1am local time at Qana, a village in the hills east of the port city of Tyre.

A three-storey building in the village took a direct hit. Hezbollah's al-Manar TV channel said over 50 people, including 21 children, had died.

The dead were old people, women and children from four families who residents said they gather to spend the night on the ground floor where they felt they were safe from the bombardment.

Rescuers aided by villagers were digging by hand to look for casualties. Others were evacuating shell-shocked old people from neighbouring housing.

"We want this to stop," shouted villager Mohammed Ismail. "May God have mercy on the children. They came here to escape the fighting.

"They are hitting children to bring the fighters to their knees," he said.

In April 1996 more than 100 Lebanese civilians were killed at the same village in an Israeli artillery shelling of a UN base. The civilians had sought refuge with the UN to escape Israeli bombardment.

The attack on Qana came as heavy fighting erupted along the border between Hezbollah and the Israeli army.

Hezbollah's al-Manar TV channel said Israeli troops had "infiltrated" a zone known as the Taibeh Project area, some two miles inside Lebanon. It said the Israeli force was a commando unit known as "the Golani Brigade", and that two soldiers had been killed.

The Israeli army said troops were operating in the Taibeh area since early morning, and that only one soldier was moderately wounded.

I've just been wondering around the forum and I'm glad there are threads like this.

War is bloody awful, and Bush is a complete W***er.

Okay my real reason for posting.

I have an OCD, but it's like the "Normal" rituals. I am ridiculously clean and I know I wash my hands too much but I have a really wierd phobia of tidiness. It's really wierd I go all panicky and it brings on an athsma attack.
When I have a meal I have to eat it in groups and in a certain order like: first it's carbohydrates (potatoes or pasta), then it's the fibre (veg or whatever) but if there's more than one type like say peas and carrots I have to seperate that and carrots would come before peas because orange is before green in the colour spectrum, last is always the protein. I hate eating with my mum because she always laughs at me and I feel self concsious about it enough as it is.
I have to have my CD's in alphebetical order according to the band name, my books are in alphebtical order according to the authors last name. I have to put any like pens or pencils in colour order (Black, grey, brown, white, pink, red, orange, yellow, green, blue and purple). Oh and if I don't have at least 3 hugs in a day I get depressed :blink: it's like an affection thing.
It gets really anoying because my friends and family just find it funny.

Tinks i do the same thing as you do with your books and cds!!! My books are organised in my room in order of how many books there are by that author, my cds are arranged in exactly the same way as my books are, i tidy my drawers everyday and if its not organised or someone messes it up i go insane and tidy it straightaway again! And im not a neat freak! My drawers, bookshelves and other shelves are neat and tidy but my desk is a state half the time!

And i always want hugs! If i dont get any i feel pouty!

Oh and im also such a worrier!

hee hee, I am not alone!!

I actually cried once because noone had huggd me....I have issues

oh yeah and did i forget to mention im obsessed with Stephen Mangan?? and green wing?? and buffy the vampire slayer??? and i almost hyperventilate when i see a gorgeous picture of stephen??

lol I'm obsessed with anything to do with Julian! I almost died when I was looking through the pictures on his thread.

actually my cat would be so much like Mac if he was human, although he's not fraise blond he's silver. But he is very much like him in character and extremely fluffy.

He's hungry so he's sitting on my lap (shock horror he never does that) and he's getting jealous of the key board, keeps biting my fingers or trying to sit on my hands.

I have all my dvds in alphabetical order, my books are arranged in height, and my cds are in the order that I like them, and if anyone moves anything I get really stressed out. So you're not alone, I think everyone has a bit of OCD in them.

yeah....annoying though

I used to do that thing u do with food Tinks! Although it wasnt as structured- I didnt have an order. I just couldnt eat things together, I even seperated my vegetables like u did and my mum used to laugh at me too. My obsession with food was less to do with OCD though and more to do with my eating disorder. It has only been recently that I have been able to mix my food groups.

I also have all my CD's in alphebetical order- but thats cos I have about 200 CD's and I'd never find anything otherwise.

I agree with POAP too- I think everyone is a bit OCD, everyone has at least one thing that they just have to do that everyone else thinks is irrational! :hug 's for Tinks though, cos it obviously really effects ur life, but u r young and im sure u will get it under control!

Thanks Dini, I've always had to do that and I'm not sure why.

I do think everyone has an OCD side, I have frinds that have everthing in straight lines and tidy and it freaks me out. I can understand why people think the way I am is funny, but it doesn't make it any less annoying.
:hug for Dini though!!

:hug for everyone here.

extra :hug for Dini and Tinks.

i think everyone has little OCD too. I get the food thing - i need to eat it in colours otherwise it worries me. Also the alphabetized book shelf. And when i'm by myself i need to touch all the slabs on top off a wall or whatever so that nobody hurts me.

now i sound crazy.

my actual reason for posting was that i went to see billy elliot last night (for the second time, for some reason it didn't affect me as much last time) and i realised how moving it is with the miners and their striking and everything. Even though i wasn't even born at the time. It just really upset me. I think i was thinking about the fact my grandad was a miner. even though her was retired at the time. And my mum used to live in county durham and told me how she always went to the miners gala and everything. I don't know why it got to me so much.

it also upset me cos i spent the day at my friends who lives in a tiny house with three sisters and a brother and her single mum and she has to work all summer just to afford to get christmas presents and stuff and then i was going off to see billy elliot in the west end and i'd just got a new mobile which cost £100 and it made me feel terrible.

especially when we were talking about EMA - the money we get in sixth form if your family's income is under a certain amount. i actually get more than her cos my dad retired when he was 43 cos he'd been a chartered accountant and made anough money, so our income is lower as we only have my mum on a part time job. but we have a disposable income which is way bigger than my friends, but cos her mum works full time she gets less. so i feel really horrible.

if any of that rambling made sense.

ohhh im going to agree with everyone having OCD even if it is little, all my videos and dvds have to be alpbet and my book are organised the same way but my cd are in order of when i got them. i cant throw magazines away lol i have a heat magazine from 11 march open to a big picture of the green wing cast and panicked when my mum tided my room, it back there now might just be a little to attached to green wing, i have to keep a routeen with my sleep, i have to have the fan on 3, i have to have music on for an hour and i have to get comfortable and i have to have my old ladies u cushion to cuddle, and room has to be pitch black, lol i used to have my windows painted black when i was little, i had an obsession with watering my plant everyday my mum took it away though..i could just be weird lol i dont like anything in my room to be moved unless i want it moved and i dont share anything, i've had green wing for months and it took a lot to give it to my friend to watch lol my brother isnt alowed to watch it, i keep it next to my bed with black books and love soup

OCD is at its worse when other ppl can tell uve got it. and when it takes over your life.i get all hot and worried when i havnt done something. it changes all the time with me. one year ill be pulling out my hair. the next i need to blink and swallow at things(thats this year) :cry :cry i weally dont wike it... :cry and no-one listens to me when i tlk about it. so ive gave up on trying to get over it seeing as no-one i know seems to care.

people just ignor what they dont want to here because it upsets them ...trust... i listen to everything but will never take it in...

ohh im annually retentive appartently i dont know what it means