This is following on from a post in another thread,but dont you think that guy is more desrving of caroline just now?he has at least made a point of telling her how he feels(he REALLY likes her :wub: )when has mac done that?a few metaphors here and there (misplaced or lost)isnt enough in my book,he needs to shout it from the roof tops!!Which is wot i think guy would do :rolleyes:

On the other hand,macs "proper kiss" was pretty grand............ :heart


Cannot tell you how much i love this series!!!!! :cloud

mind you guys kiss in ep 7 was not so grand either........ :runaway

Well Mac did get a remote control car for her to have a go with :) and the train with the invite - I mean come on that definately counts towards a grand gesture :P

I agree that Mac needs to pull himself together, realise he isn't dying and get Caroline back. So yes, right now I believe Guy has done more for Caroline, but all will change, you'll see :)

To be honest, I think we were meant to want Caroline to get with Mac in the first series, but by the second series we were meant to want her to get with Guy.

I think Guy makes his feelings more obvious, Mac just can't express them in the same way, which is why he seems quite cruel at times.

He can be cruel, yeah, and it's because he's been hurt that he can't say how he feels (I know this is obvious, hehe). He just has to get over that and realise not everyone's a Holly :) Caroline is someone he should trust.

Come on episode 9 :) it's all going to kick off then, you just know it.

Lets just look at the evidence shall we. Are you sitting comfortably, then I'll begin:-

Episodes 1, 2 and 3 - Mac in Coma can't even remember being with Caroline to starting to fall for her again = KEEPS US ON THE EDGE OF OUR PANTS

Episodes 4, 5 and 6 - Mac and Caroline finally together, but Sue gets hold of a tape and Guy causes a slight blip (but not for long). But oh no here comes the Evil Holly to keep Mac away from Caroline = KEEPS US ON THE EDGE OF OUR PANTS

But then the writers think to themselves, we've just got rid of Holly but there's still 3 episodes to go what can we do now

Episodes 7 and 8 - throw in some mad Sue moments and then the unbelievable happens lets have Guy totally change character and suddenly fall in love with Caroline, oh and lets give Mac a fatal disease= KEEPS US ON THE EDGE OF OUR PANTS

However, we all know that this is just a ploy by the writers to keep us all guessing throughout the whole of Series 2 until

Episode 9 -Mac and Caroline finally get to be together, forever :P

apologies for taking this thread completely off the original subject, but it does sort of show that Guy has had more opportunity to do nice things for Caroline, when Mac has been too busy dealing with all the c**p that's been thrown at him :angry:

I have to disagree with there.

I don't think Guy's love for Caroline was a total change of character at all. His feelings for caro had always been there, but they slowly developed into love. I don't think it was a sudden change at all. In series 1, episode 7, the look on his face in the car when he knows he's lost her says it all. It was not a disappointed look because he's lost out of a shag, but a look of real sorrow.

Also, I would like to point out that Guy has had a lot of crap to deal with too. He had to get over the fact he shagged his mum. I can imagine that's pretty traumatic. Therefore, I don't think it's fair to suggest he had more opportunity to express his feelings, he's just better at it.

Here, here IMO!

And thats a good point- Mac falls in love with Caroline TWICE!

How do we actually know it was Mac who set the train up, though?

That's a good point, although it is worrying how little Guy was psychologically affected by sleeping with his mother but he's the sort of man to hide his uneasy feelings and hats off to him if he really did cope with something like that without being scarred for life. (LOL, am I taking this too seriously? :P )

I believe that, as far as grand gestures are concerned, Guy is more the sort of chap to go in for them than Mac is... and that's another reason to like Guy more. :P

aww but it should be caroline and guy...guy really loves her..and im not just saying that ..it was stephen mangan's idea to have guy fall in love with her, and i have the feeling mac will die even if its not his funeral now but then again that is way to serious for green wing and i can see mac fans being very angry and possibly attacking the writers lol

When I read this it made me think about the type of person Guy is in the first series, and I can't help but feel his change in the second was A, a little too rapid and B, rather staged, as he insults Caroline a lot in the first few episodes of series 2, then miraculously loves her.

Anyway, my point is, grand gestures, I think it is easier for Guy to make them because he doesn't care about them, he's just doing what it takes to get Caroline, just like when he was acting sensitive in the first series. I think when Mac's big gesture comes, it will be more important because it will be a real commitment, it will be harder for him to give, because he cares more about Caroline and wants the best for her, even if it means he's not around (which of course isn't what's best for her at all, but he's a rational love) :)

But that's just what I think.

True, but as early on as the second episode, that moment where he gets Caroline to say want she wanted to say to Mac - and you see him close his eyes, imagining she's saying that to him, you *know* that Guy has started to fall for her. He does insult her, but that's just Guy. He insults Mac all the time and we know he loves him really. I think he insults Caro to make him feel like himself, I think his feelings for Caro are there long before he starts to realise himself.

I agree his change maybe was a little too rapid but he possibly realised that he loved Caroline and then quite quickly decided it was time to make a real effort and, once he'd acknowledged his feelings, it began to come more naturally too.

I do see your point about his insulting her, though and, to be fair, he even insults her later on, like in the ladies' when he says there are far more attractive women around than her! I do admit if I were Caroline, I'd still hold the insults against him and wouldn't have agreed to get with him (and certainly not marry him) until he apologised and meant it. On those grounds, Caroline would be better off with Martin or Jake. I actually have a distinct feeling she will end up with one or the other in the end.

He was inadvertantly insulting her there - I thought it was actually very romantic, because he was honest. Guy's no poet and he doesn't pretend to be; thats what he had to offer Caro and I thought it was one of the most romantic scenes I'd seen in a while, because of the sheer honesty of it.

I dont see why Guy should be forgiven for that comment and Mac not forgiven for the eyebrow comment though!

Yeah but Mac was being genuinely insulting for the sake of it. Guy was trying to be nice, but it didn't come out right.

Ah POAP, you can't know a thing like that :) although I hated the comment from Mac (shooting himself in the foot), but it's like a defence mechanism. He doesn't trust people properly since what happened with Holly (and who would? Slimy, back-stabbing, plotting biznitch!), err, anyway, that's the reason, and with this whole death thing (which he *won't* be dying from, incidentally), he'll realise how precious life is and how he should take chances!

Aha! :D

Yes I bloody can! :D Sorry. *Takes medicaton*

Fair enough, but how long does it take to get over it? It's been four years for god sake. If it takes him that long then hes not a good choice for long term committment is he? Guy is (suprisingly) far more stable in that sense.

:) It's TV. He'll realise just in time to sweep Caroline off her feet and fight the person who messed with his results.

Oh yeah, forgot it was fiction for a second. Oh dear.... :)

Well it *does* have to be realistic I think, at least, some of it, or we'd get fed up with it.

I think Guy's change was realistic, because in the beginning he just wanted to tell his friends that he'd had her first, but then as he got to know her his feelings grew. In episode 7 of series 1 he is genuinely upset that he's lost her. Then in series 2, in the erly episodes he's trying to express his feelings but can't, until he realises that if he doesn't let her know he'll lose her forever. Voila, the seemingly sudden change from bastard to perfect man. He had it in him all along, but he needed to get it out if he wanted to keep Caroline.

p.s Sorry, getting way too involved here... :blush

I'm inclined to agree with that. Well, maybe we don't know if Guy meant his as an insult or not but Mac's did seem to be plain nasty, albeit for a supposed joke.

I think Mac was just trying to break the tension and told a joke at an innappropriate time- very much like men do everwhere all the time. Same with guy, innapropriate joke at a bad time...

and it could be said that reason Caroline is offended by what Mac says and not Guy is because her feelings about him are stronger. She accepts that her FRIEND Guy can be inappropriate and rude and jokey. But she wants the man she LOVES to be more serious!

Mac just got his timing wrong, but thats just him, breaking tension by telling jokes. Caroline should forgive him! She just wanted more from him cos she loves him... and he can give it, just not in that situation, where it was all forced and tense.

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Yay! MBG's fighting the Mac corner :D Good argument too, makes a lot of sense I think. I'll admit I'd somewhat given up in here (hehe, two very worthy CarGuys against one CarMac soon takes it toll), but now I'm back in the game :)

Yeah, Mac's comment may have been meant as a joke, but he should have realised that in that situation it was the last thing Caroline needed.

p.s I'm slightly lost here - what Guy comment are we talking about? :blush

It's that one, I think :)

Ah, okay. :D Thanks.

He SHOULD have known yes! But come on, how many times have u sat across from a guy u like thinking 'why the f*ck did he just say that'! We always forgive them cos we know they struggle with just about anything serious!!

I think it was definatly a joke! And one that at any other time Caroline would have taken well!

Ah, exactly, at any other time. It was completely the wrong moment for that sort of comment, whether he meant it as a joke or not. Now I'm not saying it was all his fault, trying to be cruel, but it was too far.

Caroline just cares more about what he says than she does about Guy's comments.

So there! Mac's more important to her :D

Or maybe she can ignore from Guy because she knows that he would never say it cruelly, intending to insult her. He's not that kinda guy. :D So there! Hehe.

Sorry, but I think Mac's behaviour was inexcusable. He was being nasty for the sake of it. He deliberately let Caro go on about the proposals then let her hopes come crashing down. That is not on. Guy would never do that.. Guy says wha he thinks, he doesn't mess around with Caroline's feelings. Mac knows Caro likes him and he deliberately took the piss out of her. Guy's insult was quit sweet because it was the only way he could say how he was feeling.

Hear hear! :D Well done POAP, you are so much more eloquent than me! :) That's what I meant... :blush

True- it was a bit too far! But thats life! lol (getting to involved now)

I just think Guys comment was just as inappropriate as Mac's- so Macs shouldnt be used as a reason that Caroline would choose Guy over Mac- cos they both put their foot in it!

Allright here we go then. Mac wasn't straight with Caroline because before he even got a chance to propose to her, Caroline butted in, and presumed he was going to propose, and he didn't like it, who would? What're you going to say, "Err, yes, I was". He's going to feel foolish himself, because she's telling him, "actually two people have already proposed to me today, but if you want to be the third, I'll give it a listen". She could've just been quiet, and let him talk, that kind of thing is difficult for him to say, I still believe Guy is just telling her what she wants to hear, I don't think there's much depth to it muyself.

Thats a very good point, but Mac's point was said with the intent to insult, Guy just didn't know any better. Theres a sort of innocent childlike way Guy said what he said, he probably had no idea it was insulting. Mac knew he had said something cruel.

Aww SF, I'm not more eloquent than you, I just babble!

It's not just those particular comments though - Guy is overall a more honest and straightforward man. He tells Caroline how he really feels about her, instead of playing stupid mind games. POAP's perfectly right in saying that Guy would never do what Mac did, letting her talk about proposals and so on before being nasty.

Way too involved... :blush

Again, I think it comes back to how can we *know* that's how they meant it? Damn, this episode 9 better hurry up. Things will be rectified there. What we're doing here is just going round in circles, all we've got to go on is what we've already said :)