Ok, so in series 2 episode 4 (I think), when Holly interupts Mac and Caroline on the bence outside the hospital, why does she need anyone to point her 'stupid nose' in the right direction for the locker rooms? Afterall, she has worked there before!

Good point! Maybe they moved them ...

i would say that was just a stupid nasty holly excuse to get mac on his own :angry:

Yes EGB that's what I thought at first, but then why would Mac not see through it? Why does show her the way? Surely he should have said 'No, you know where they are you horrible baby-killing psychopath'? It doesn't make sense.

And littlered, I guess they could have moved, but then for the same reason as above, he could just tell her which building they were moved to and she would know how to get there as she'd worked there before - for 6 years!! It just plain doesn't make sense.

Horrid Holly - it's all her fault! :angry:

hmmm. maybe he wanted to talk to her and find out what she was doing there etc?

i always wodnered about this.

i thought it was something to do with teh fact that he hasn't seen her in four years and last time he saaw her (i'm guessing) she'd just aborted their baby.

so it's kinda a love/hate thing?

And that's another thing...
Surely she must have left him before she actually aborted the baby, as she obviously goes on to have the child without him knowing (even though it isn't really his kid anyway)...

yus. that's true.

maybe...

maybe she left him completely suddenly and didn't even tell him she was going, just left a note or some such and cleared out while he was at work or something?

i could see her doing that.

oooo... she's devious, that for sure.
Could definitely imagine her just leaving him a note.

i belive a fic should be written along these lines...

SHOTGUN!!

feel free to keep discussing devious holly, to give me ideas.

Ok nasty Holly... the question is, is everyone agreed on who they think the father is? And was it a full blown affair with said father, or just a one night stand?

And something else I've always wondered. After he's found out that he isn't Mackenzie's father, he's sitting talking to Martin and he says something along of the lines of 'Do you realise what this means?' What exactly does he mean by this? Does he just mean that he isn't the father, or do you think he knows who that father might be?

And I'm quite possibly thinking about this far too much! And I really should be working instead!

LOL.

i alaewasy thought it means he cn go back to caroline?

Maybe, but then why would he say that to Martin? He knows Martin likes Caroline, and he's sensitive enough not to rub it in his face like that. I think he's getting at something more... I'm just not sure what.

Should still be working and not thinking so much about this!

HE KNOW'S IT'S GUYS?!?

is that what you're getting at?


yes, naughty bingle, not working.

*ignores the fact that she's not working herself*

Maybe?!
Afterall, Guy said to him before that he'd had one of Mac's girlfriends while he was going out with her. Maybe he's thinking that Guy had Holly too?

another thing that i dont think makes sense is the DNA results. i came to the conclusion that they were one of two things
* it is results saying that mac is not the father
* it is results saying that another man is the father

but it has to be a) cos we dont know who the father is but what i dont get is how could holly have had a DNA test done for mac without his knowledge? im not an expert or anything but firstly how would she have got a sample from him and secondly dont you need to do these things yourself? and it cant have been showing that someone else was the father since we dont know the name of the father.

Without going into the logistics of it, I think the idea is you can get dna from anything, ie a strand of hair, saliva etc...

But if she knew that it wasn't Mac's (and she must have known - why else would she dye his hair?) then she would have no need to dna test Mac!

But would the dna test, say who that father was, as in actually give a name? Again, don't quote me on this, but I'm fairly sure you just get a 'Sample A is a match' kind of answer.

I think its the evidence of the photo thats really the point, the dna test just confirms that Holly doesn't want to admit who the father of the child is (hence the hair dye etc etc etc)!

Does that make sense?

yeah i supppsoe so. i know it might have been easier for her since she works in a hospital but i stil think that the DNA test wasnt explained well enough and that the hair dye and the dark-haired photo were a bit unrealistic but im not out to criticise. i wouldnt be surprised if mac finds out he isnt ill and its fairly brushed over quickly and isnt really explained properly.

shes an evil bunny boiler, thats why!
:angry:

I just thought - has it ever actually been stated that Holly worked at that hospital? Maybe she never did and just knew Mac through Med schol or whatever. :unsure: :ph43r:

You know, that's a good point.

Becasue you sometimes get the impression that Guy never met her.

Which upsetes me, cos i love the theory of him eing MAckenize's father, but still...

:o you can't be serious?! i will DIE if guy is the father!!!

doesn't Holly say something about how lovely it is that they're working together again or something?

then again i could be wrong.

I think there are implications that they have met before and everything, but that may be because what's her face (sarah alexander - my mind has gone blank and can't think of her character name...) did talk about her a lot? they seemed to know each other when they were in the pub??? or am i reading too much into things

i hope guy isn't the father i think that would be a good storyline but i believe it would ruin things for him and caro and that would make me cry :(

Angela deffo knew Holly.

But Guy... You know the scene with the toaster?

He says something about not being able to imagine them dating. Doesn't he? AM i iimagining that?

oh... i think he does.

but then again, mackenzie is quite old so they must've broken up quite a few years ago and we don't actually know when guy started working there so they could've been dating before guy turned up at the hospital... maybe?

Not too sure about how well (if at all) Guy knew Holly but, yeah, possibly not all that well. He doesn't seem to, I don't think.

I do have the feeling Holly never worked at East Hampton Hosp before and that they (Holly, Mac and Angela) just knew each other in the medical circles. Angela and Holly are both paeditricians so they would be likely to know each other.

Holly is just a :censor

but then again, if it wasnt for holly, caroline never would have ended up with guy. so i should love her really!

but i used to be a carmac shipper and those feelings will never truely go away... lol!

i need to watch it all again. god october needs to hurry up!!

Only next month!!!!

Not sure if we'll be seeing the special as soon as that, though. <_<

just watched series two episode four and:

holly: it will be just like old times
caroline: actually no it probably won't be
holly: i meant us two working together in the same hospital again.


not direct quotes lol but her and mac definately worked together!

No, beacuse whatever you ship, Holly is still a :swearing :censor :swearing twat.

:D

And good sleuthing SBL. :lol:

:lol: SOOO true...

god i hate her

I have to say, after researching Holly for my drabble, I'm now even more confused...

The question is, did Holly work at that hospital before?

In favour:

1) She said she worked with Mac before.
2) She knows Angela

Against:

1) She didn't specify which hospital - she just said to Mac that they would be working in the same hospital (ie. as each other) again.
2) She doesn't know any of the regulars (Boyce and Martin you could excuse because they are newish members of staff, but surely she would know others there if she'd worked there before?!)

But the whole Mackenzie question (who's the daddy?) just makes me think that despite the evidence, she might have worked there before. Don't forget, the GW writers have exploited inconsistencies before (anyone remember Emily - she of the multiple personalities/characters?).

well, judging by the age of Mackenzie, she must have left about 5 years ago, which explains why she doesn't know Boyce and Martin. But her and Guy really don't seem to know eachother.

I think its too much of a coincidence for Angela, Mac and Holly to have all worked together in a different hospital...

I think its just a continuity error. maybe they thought that people wouldn't read too much into it.

little did they know, obssessives like US are out there :D

yes layles what you said, they are comedy writer they probally don't think that anyone will even remember if something is not quite right let alone wondering if people are questioning these errors :P but that's what you get for being major GW fans :)

oh and in black books i noticed a continuity error and i was soo proud in one exterior shot goliath books was closed down and then in a later episode in series 3 it was back again.. sorry i was ver proud of myself for noticing that :)

The major continuity error around HOlly is the fact that they broke up four years ago.

So technically Mackenzie can't be much older than three and a half.

Well, maybe he's very advanced for his age. (I was about to put, "after all, he does have Mac's genes". What's wrong with my brain? That isn't true at all.)

:roflmao

*pats littlered on the head*

DOn't worry.

Another AGAINST

She didn't know where the lockers were :o which implies it's a different hospital, or the place has been completely made over since she last worked there.

i didnt think mackenzie was much older than 3 1/2 or 4. he's still at a nursery thing rather than school isnt he? cos he dresses up as dr foster.

Mac says he's 4 in episode 7.

does it add up? i think it does...