Well, if I wasn't going to Hell, I sure am now for this one. I inflated Olivia Newton-John while she was playing as Sandy from "Grease", I'm such a bastard.

Never saw Grease, but a funny picture nonetheless. :D

Hell hath no fury for quality work. :thumbsup:

:o :ph43r: WOW thats a great picture you are turly one of the sages of drawing :D

keep up the great work ^_^

I had a hunch you was going to do that XD
Very nice man :)

From what work of her I saw she did an average job at best, this is probably her best performace and some of your most realistic work.

5/5

The rating means little compared to the work.

You always post pencil works... you ever gonna finish them with color? Also, as a point of criticism, she doesn't really look like Olivia Newton John and still maintains that jasmine-esque feel you've always had. I think using a photo reference would help alot. That being said, the rest of the pic has alot going for it.

I was using photo referances in doing this one. As far as the "jasmine-esque feel", I don't know where you are getting that from.

And, as far as the coloring goes, I prefer working in grayscale with pencils. You should know that, after we talked about a the fancy art I have for pencil work.

the jasmine-esque feel i'm getting is from the elongated face, the nose and the eyes. I love pencil works too, especially when you can see the gesturing lines and etc... But I KNOW you can color your work. I've seen you do it, yet still you post nothing but pencils. If you've got the ability to do it in color, I would strongly recommend you "finish" them that way to produce even HIGHER quality work.

Backgrounds also would be a nice thing too...

Since we've already had this duscussion in #inflation, I might as well post it here:

1.) Personally, I wouldn't have known it was Olivia if you hadn't said so. But portraiture/ characature isn't really that easy, so I'm not gonna harp on that.

2.) By "finishing them with color?" that Catty asked, I doubt he meant that for your art to be good, it's gotta be colored (in fact, I'll bet on that). I think what he's getting at (and correct me if I'm wrong), is that we have seen your pencil work improve, but watched as you've sorta neglected improving on your coloring as well.

It's not a matter of "is black and white better than color", cuz that's a stupid argument. BW works can be insanely beautiful and lively, and so can color. I think we just want to see you put as much effort into getting better with the color pallettes as you are with your figures and shading.

3.) Speaking of shading, I told you this already, and you've refuted it, but I'll post it again anyways. I think you need to go back into this and work more on the light and dark areas. You've got this nice start of texture in the hair, and then you just kinda go into a very, very, very light, almost unnoticable shading, and it doesn't "pop" as much. It's just too lite and bland in my eyes, right now.

Alright, take this for what you want.

What about doing art because you like to, and expressing yourself in your art?

Well, I have more fun drawing with pencil than I do with the computer (unless I am using Open Canvas with someone else). Plus, my computer has been a bit of a pain lately as far as using the tablet with it.

And as far as being "unfinished", thats your opinion, but, its my work and I'll deside when its finished. I had a hard enough time with making it look like her, which I seem to have faid at, that I kinda gave up on the rest. Thats all the farther I felt I needed to go, and I rarely go back and alter a drawing.

And as far as backgrounds go, they are figure drawings nitwit, not senery.



Oh, not every drawing I make is going to be a masterpiece, some bad ones while come out before and after the good ones. With that, I am done with talking about this one.

So much for civility in the art world... -_-

I think everyone needs to sheath their claws and take a freaking time out. It's art...it's expressed in a myriad of ways far more numerous than even the rainbow! We should all just agree to disagree and take advise/criticism in stride...and maybe even to heart in some way that works for you.

I swear to god, enough of this bickering, children! <_<

The problem with constructive criticism is that it's rarely welcome by the artist requesting it. The artist posts something they are remarkably proud of, asking for critiques, hoping to get nothing but happy remarks... but then the real criticism occurs and it's not what they were expecting and they get fed up and angry at the people making the criticisms. Then they spout REASONS for why they did what they did, trying to make up excuses for the things pointed out in their work. Then finally they get thouroughly frustrated, and rather than try and work it out, they give up totally on that specific piece.

Sound familiar?

Just so you know, I'm guilty of it too. I've often been piequed by people commenting on the small things I DON"T want them to and not remarking on the things I DO. On the other hand, getting nothing but "it's brilliant! You, sir, are a god!" kind of remarks can really go to your head and I think it's healthy for artists to occasionally get some constructive criticism.

Now there IS a difference between constructive criticism and just being negative for negative sake. The things that I pointed out, and were followed up by another person are all valid examples.

First, I would say that this is NOT a figure drawing since there are no gesture lines, it's not the full figure (only part of a bust) and is touched up and "rendered."

You might have more fun with pencils than you do with the computer, but that's just laziness upon your part. I love pencils too as I mentioned, but I always go the extra distance to finish my work and make it more presentable. You obviously don't want to go that far. You're content with just drawing something and posting it sans backgrounds and in B/W. There's nothing wrong with that, but the fact is that you post so frequently that it's getting very repetetive and the next best step is to start coloring your work and making it more professional.

Yes this is only a hobby. I totally understand that. I just recently got a comment in my guest book on my website from some spanish speaking person who said my work needs better linework and could be better. I was outraged at first and started saying "It's just a hobby you bastard! I'll do what I damn well please!"

Then I started looking at my work again and realized that he's right. My work COULD use a bit of touching up. It was unwelcome but I still accept it. It's a hobby, but everyone who has a hobby spends more time on their hobby than they would on a real project (because that's what an enthusiest does). So don't quote that and say "oh it's JUST a hobby, i don't have to finish it" cuz that's bull. That's laziness.

Again with the backgrounds... that was rather rude remarking with Nitwit. He and I were pointing out the same thing. You never do backgrounds. Never with a few possible exeptions... This is not a figure drawing.

Finally... calm down. don't get so huffy about it. 2 people... 2 people out of a total of 6 on THIS forum (more since I know you posted the same piece at other forums too) commented on your work in a somewhat critical light. Relax. You still got tons of praise and there ARE good things about your work. Don't get so melodramatic. (lol I'm one to talk eh?) You are a very talented artist and we're just trying to help you improve your work and get better...

but then again... some people don't WANT to get better... The real sign of a hobbiest is someone who is never quite satisfied with their work and always strives to be better. Yes you drew that pic so YOU are the authority on if it's finished or not and weither or not you are gonna improve it in any way. BUt we are the public that you're presenting it to and we're judging it by what we've seen you do prior to. You've done some work in color, yet you only post in B/W. I personally think you should take the next step and work in color. You may disagree. That's fine. I'm pointing out what I think could help. It's your work, not mine, so I guess it's not my place to make criticisms.

Sorry if my posts offended you, but I don't retract what I said.

You missed over the part about my computer acting funny with my tablet attached to it (thing locks up and I loose all that I am working on).

And, this is one drawing, check my DA page, I uploaded some that are better. I did do a few with backgrounds, most though, I don't really see the need for them (now, if they are required for the character to interact with, I do draw them, just haven't made any that way in a while)

Colors and backgrounds can be distracting. I prefer not to use them., and, like this one, I didn't have a whole lot of room of one (and really no idea what to have for one)


I may have called you a nitwit, but, you're calling me lazy because I don't do what you think I should.

Also, a few of these points were generality, not nessecerly for this one drawing.

Also, you have been thumping your background arguement and AWN has been thumping his shadows bit that its getting rather annoying, to me anyways.

With that, this is the last post this thread will see.