So, I was browsing around the net one day, and there I saw some Cloti claiming, that in the ending FMV, where Cloud catches Tifa, and Tifa's theme plays, the FFVII Main theme mixes with Tifa's theme and thus, since "Main Theme is often referred as Cloud's theme", we could call this "Cloud/Tifa's theme" and suppose that it has something to do with Cloti!

...ok, not. Also, the same person claimed that in Tifa's theme, there's a highpitched and lowpitched voice, and this person thought that highpitched voice is Tifa, lowpitched is Cloud, and that's why Tifa's theme should be also called Cloud/Tifa's theme.

What about before Tifa falls and Cloud reaches out his hand hoping he'll reunite with Aeris? Isn't Aeris' theme played in that scene? And later in the ending FMV, where the whole bunch has already boarded Highwind, there is short piece of Cid's theme played (actually, all these themes are one, very long theme called World Crisis, which is played only in the ending FMV... I have it on my FFVII-soundtrack. <3) Should we assume that Square has intended to show us some Aeris/Cloud/Tifa/Cid-stuff, then? xD

So what do you think? Have you ever heard this of piece of "evidence" anywhere...? Have you ever noticed such thing while listening to Tifa's theme? For me, it took some time to figure out these "highpitched" and "lowpitched" voices clearly. Ok, maybe this is not the most common "Cloti-evidence" ever, but I just thought if someone else has ever saw it. (sorry if my english is terrible)

I've certainly never heard about it , but I don't think it proves anything as Cloud was reaching for Aerith and suddenly the were cut off as I suppose Aerith wanted Cloud to get out of there before the place collapsed. But if it were a 'Cloti-evidence', I'm sure my brother would have heard of it and start debating like he was King of the World.

Aerith's theme was playing when she died and when Cloud was burying her, other than just that part when he was reaching for her hand. I'm sure there is some significance about the scenes, but I don't see any Cloti evidence in the scene where Cloud catches Tifa at the Crater honestly. :unsure:

Yeah, well actually this "evidence" isn't really widely considered Cloti-evidence like Highwind-scene, for example... I just accidentally saw someone making conclusions like that, I was like "eh?" and decided to start a topic, because it sounded so strange to me... Oh well.

I just seriously can't believe that even Nobuo Uematsu would've thought that far while composing the themes. :P Besides, I kinda disagree with that Cloud's theme part, because if Main theme would be Cloud's theme, why not to name it Cloud's theme instad of Main theme?

I've heard about this so-called "evidence" before, and I think it's just wishful thinking by the Cloti's.

As you mentioned, the theme they're trying to claim is "Cloud's theme" has never been called "Cloud's theme" by Square. On soundtracks produced by Square, the song is always called the "Main theme" of FFVII.

The song that plays during the final FMV is called "World Crisis". Aerith's theme also plays during that song. If you watch the FMV, Aerith's theme plays while Aerith's hand is seen reaching out to Cloud during the hand reach scene. Aerith's theme starts to play again later when Marlene says, "The flower girl?" I believe it plays again when Aerith's face is shown at the end of the FMV. Tifa's theme also plays while she's shown on the screen saying, "Yeah, let's go meet her". Tifa's theme is followed by the Main theme with a few transitional bars thrown in between. Tifa's theme distinctly ends before the Main theme actually starts playing. There's just a few transitional bars of music played between the two themes that the Cloti's like to think mean that the two songs are "playing together".

I don't see that it has any significance. It's just wishful thinking by the Cloti's.

:D I've seen that argument before. I've also seen the one that claims that you can hear a part of Tifa's theme in FFVIII's "Eyes on Me", and how that proves this and that about Cloti. :yawn:

Personally I always thought that Aerith's themes sounds a little like Celes' in the beginning and that Yuna's sounds like Aerith's towards the middle.

Then again, whenever I listen to Barry Manilow's "I Write The Songs", the first 9 seconds reminds me of Tifa's theme, but I'm not claiming there's some secret ManilowxTifa going on. But I guess I could. :rolleyes:

Well, if they *do* have a theme, should it mean that they are romantically linked that way? I mean, I've always associated Tifa's Theme with waiting for dead stars or something, since it kind of sounds like melancholy to me... so it's kind of a depressing song... not the "I-love-you-ish" effect that's supposed to be in coupling themes....

Ah, whatever. :yawn: Still kinda sleepy.....

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Hey, is it true that "Interrupted by Fireworks" was originally gonna be called "Cloud and Aerith's Theme"? XD

Wow... where'd you hear that, Zhakeena? :o

Argh, I hate it when Angel Tifa brings that up(she's the only one I've seen use it). It's such rubbish

Actually, if you sing Celes' theme, there's this part where you can go seemlessly into Aeris', and then switch back in...
...Yes, I am a certified nerd

Not that I know. I've been a fan of FF music since FFV, and I haven't ever seen anything like that. Of the first press release, the song's name (in japanese) was:
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Which literally means "Interrupted by Fireworks".

If I recall correctly, on an interview, Nobuo has said that Aerith's Theme was based os the song Celes, from FFVI OST, although you can see better relation if you compare it to Aria di Mezzo Carattere.

Just to add my two penny's worth about the themes, I don't actually think that Cloud does have a theme at all. If you really want him to have a theme, wouldn't 'Who am I' and 'Who Are You?' be better suited as his signature tune than 'Main Theme'? Saying that 'Main Theme' is Cloud's theme is like saying that 'Blue Fields' is Squall's theme, or 'Crossing Those Hills' is Zidane's.

I think the fact that Cloud doesn't have a theme say a lot more about his character than a designated theme just for him ever would. How can he have a theme to represent him when he isn't really sure of himself anyway? A character's theme is supposed to represent something about them, and with Cloud, he doesn't get his head fully sorted out until disc two.

Mm, the opening to 'Aria di Mezzo Carattere' sounds the most similar to Aerith's theme. With 'Celes', there is a slight similarity if you're really listening for it, but like you said, Shad, it's not as obvious as with Aria.

With Interrupted By Fireworks, the general opinion amongst CxT fans is that it is their theme. (Tifa was trying to tell Cloud how she felt on the date but was 'interrupted by fireworks') It also plays when Tifa's party finds Cloud in Mideel.

Yep. They don't seem to notice that Cloud says *nothing* about his feelings during the date with Tifa, and that Cloud's not even aware of Tifa in the Mideel Clinic. For some reason, most Cloti's seem to think that Tifa expressing her feelings for Cloud must mean that Cloud feels the same way. <_<

Ah, I've heard this argument before... :rolleyes:

I wouldn't pay much attention to this argument, as it usually comes from CloTis who are trying to prove that CloTi is canon. <_<

Some of the World Map themes are closely connected to the main character, while some aren't. "Terra's Theme" from FFVI is used as the World Map theme (during the WoB, anyway), FFIX's "Crossing Those Hills" is a reworking of "Melodies of Life", Zidane and Garnet's song, and FFV's first World Map Theme "Four Valiant Hearts" is meant to represent all four main characters. But then again, I wouldn't say that "Blue Fields" has anything to do with Squall, so I guess it varies.

Personally, I would consider FFVII's Main Theme to be Cloud's Theme, because there's something about it that gives me a strong sense of his character. It even plays during part of the Lifesteam sequence, and several other musical pieces in the game that contain aspects of that theme ("Who Am I?", "On That Day, Five Years Ago...", etc) are strongly related to Cloud. So, I'd like to think of it as Cloud's Theme. But that's just my personal preference, though.

But do I think that this makes a part of "World Crisis" a C/T song? No. The themes do play together briefly before leading into the Main Theme, and perhaps it's supposed to show a closeness between them, but it's a long way from the equivalent of Aria di Mezzo Carattere, Eyes On Me, Melodies of Life or Suteki Da Ne. And the music really shouldn't take emphasis away from what Cloud's actually saying during that scene. In fact, to me, it reinforces my interpretation of Cloud and Tifa's bond being one of friendship rather than romance, because when it fully launches into the Main Theme, it's when you see Barret and the rest of the group. It shows friendship. And later, when the group start talking on the Highwind, the main theme plays again together with Barret's Theme (OMG CLOUDXBARRET!), and later again with the Lifestream music. I do think that the playing themes together shows a closeness (to Tifa, the group, the memory of Aeris), but not romance.

About "Interrupted By Fireworks"...it also plays in the Temple of the Ancients, when Cait Sith tells Cloud and Aeris how well-matched they are. And it continues to play when Cait Sith is alone in the Temple, doing what needs to be done. :sad:

So I wouldn't say it's an exclusively C/T piece of music! ^_^

ManilowxTifa! :woot: I shall now support this canon couple! Theirloveissopure! :wub:

I don't hear the two theme's playing together even briefly. All I hear are a few transitional bars of music leading from one theme to the other. It sounds to me as if Tifa's theme ends distinctly before the Main theme actually starts playing.

I think that's a good point, Hyper. I'd never thought of it that way. I'd thought of it as more of a sort of a way to express that the Planet was saved, since the Main Theme played before Meteor was summoned - once it was summoned a different theme took over when the characters were on the World Map. I consider Main Theme to be more of a Planet theme, and the other theme (I'm not sure of the name) to be a Meteor type theme. That's why when it played again during World Crisis, I got this feeling of the Planet saying 'hey, it's fine again now'. Kind of a weird way to look at it, I know. :lol:

OMFG Ophelia you win at the internet. Manilow x Tifa is my new OTP!!!11sixteen!

:blush: http://s8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/...p?showtopic=998 :blush:

I definately hear that too. Especially in the song Celes sings.

And by Cloti logic, there is more proof that Aeris's Theme can be Cloud and Aeris's Theme than any other song being Cloud and Tifa's. By judging ten seconds of music, you have the right to say that the game was based on Cloud and Tifa? What about Cloud having a moment alone with Aeris as he gives her a beautiful resting place set to the most touching song in the game in FMV? Not to mention that it is one of the most memorable moments in gaming history. How dare anyone compare a small portion of an ending song to the end of Disc 1. Especially when almost all character themes have their moment in that ending song (a la FFVI). Including Aeris. Opps, did I prove that logic wrong? Silly me.

I love you, Seii. :wub:

Hear, hear. This is an excellent point. Very well-said, CG.

Beautifully stated, Cloud's Girl. *cheer* That's the way I see this issue, too, although I also say that what the Cloti's consider "playing together" is nothing but a few bars of transitional music between the two themes. However, your points are very well made, and I completely agree.

Aeris' theme also plays while they reach for each other. And personally I find that to be the most tender bit of music in the whole game

Oooh, I just thought of something.
So when Cloud catches Tifa and her theme plays, integrated with the main theme. But Tifa's theme also sounds like Barry Manilow's song doesn't it?
So there is a love triangle between Tifa, Cloud, and...Barry Manilow! *cheers*

:o

::scandalised::

*ahem*

SPAMSPAMSPAM!!OMGWTF NOMURA-SAN TOLD ME THAT CLOUD, TIFA AND BARRY MANILOW'S DESTINIES WILL BE REVEALED IN ADVENT CHILDREN!!! OMG LOL TRUE LUV!!!!1

Uhm... whoever said all that bullcrud about the theme of Cloud and Tifa... is totally disillusioned.

Here's something:
If I could recall it right, I picked up some info before that Cloud and Aerith are the ones with the theme. Remember "Interrupted By Fireworks"? I think it was supposed to be entitled "Cloud and Aerith's theme". O_o'

I've heard that before, but I've never seen any documentation of it. Would you happen to know where that was said by Square in an interview or something?

Someone I know swears that the piano music at the beginning of the hand reach scene sounds like the beginning of "Interrupted by Fireworks", then turns into "Aerith's Theme". Does anyone else think so? :unsure:

Still looking. ^_^
I remember that I was looking for sheet music regarding Tifa's Theme in google so that I can play it in the piano and one of the results from google mentioned something regarding the "Interrupted By Fireworks" as Cloud and Aerith's theme. :)

Let me know if you find it, Tifa. Thanks! :D

Hey cool, i didn't know that. If you want to look for Tifa's theme, isn't the best place to look for it would be : www.nobuouematsu.com ?

I've read so many reviews regarding "Interrupted by Fireworks", and a common factor between them is that, that theme, is the theme played in then Gondola, in the date. So far I haven't read a review, that says that "Interrupted by Fireworks" is Cloud and Tifa's theme, those ideas I've only heard of the Clotis, but never in a professional review.

About "Interrupted by Fireworks" being originally named Cloud & Aerith's theme, I haven't heard of it, but if anyone can prove it, cool.

I've found this page with all the MIDI's (not the Soundtrack) played in FFVII, here it is:
http://www.geocities.com/donnaidh_sidhe/ff7/ff7.html

Yeah, I disagree almost completely with Angel Tifa's points. There's a lot of wishful thinking on her part, like Mimato from Digimon being like Cleris. Aeris looks like Mimi, but that's as close as it ever gets.

There's about one bar of the FFVII main theme that does play while Tifa's Theme is playing during World Crisis, but I SERIOUSLY doubt Nobuo put that in because it would signify the loooooooove. (never noticed anything resembling Cloti at all in the ending)

actually, everywhere i go,ppl say that interupted by fireworks was clouds theme. but it is probably more like cloud and aerith's theme. no way has tifa and cloud have a theme. only becoz tifa was there when cloud was talking about AERIS (thats another point) doesnt mean that they have a theme together. especially when cloud is talking about aeris!! it would ruin the effect of cloud and tifa gettin together. who talks about another girl at a "romantic" time like that, unless they didnt love them?

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I found a Tifa shrine (I con't find it now for the life of me) where they said that Tifa's high and low pitched notes were supposed to be Cloud and Tifa singing. Then I found some lyrics (and they actaully make sense *gasp* That's a first. Not bashing any CloTi's but the few that I know are very stupid about it), but the lyics were very good.

I don't really know what to assume. I think that the whole song means that they got out of Northern Crater alive and that it showes their friendship with one another.

Yes it is Aeris's theme. Well, part of it.

To tell you the truth, I never really noticed anyones eles's theme in there.

Cloud singing. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Nuff' said. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

The site that said that thing with the high and low notes was Eternal Love, by Angel Tifa.

Let's just say I don't share many of her sentiments.

Anyone without their head stuck up their ass wouldn't either. :lmao:

But they all smell like poo CG, don't forget the smell

If you ask for proof, that should shut her up. :rolleyes: