Just an argument I always see Clotis bringing up. Cloud and Tifa really loved each other, but due to both of them having problems communicating/expressing their feelings, they couldn't bring themselves to say it out, and this led to their current state of being in AC.

My opinion, communication problem is a lousy excuse to not expressing your true feelings, especially after what they'd gone through in the game itself. Aerith's death is a stark reminder to Cloud that he should cherish every opportunity to express his feelings for his loved ones. Infact, after his dramatic display (coming from a cold man like Cloud, that was considered really dramatic) of grief during Aerith's death scene, Cloud seemed to be able to open up more and talk about his feelings. He did these little talks to Aerith in front of others, like "Aerith, now I've finally understand what you mean, I'll do the rest" (sorry not exact quote because my memory is stupid like that) etc, something along that line.
He talked of him knowing his reasons to fight sephiroth, to settle his past & for a personal memory. He talked about wanting to save the planet, Aerith's planet.

Clotis use communication problem as a reason, only because they couldn't see Cloud expressing his feelings for Tifa. And that, to me, doesn't equate to Cloud having problems expressing his love. On the other hand, it tells me that Cloud couldn't express his feelings for Tifa, because there wasn't any romantic feelings towards her. His thoughts were with Aerith.

Again, at the end of the game, he openly talked about wanting to meet Aerith. Cloud had no problems communicating that desire at all. So, if he loved Tifa, don't you think he would have said it? Or at least hint strongly at it? But he did not mention Tifa at all.

So did Cloud really have problems expressing his love to Tifa, or was it simply because he had none to express? :moogle:

Ugh, Clotis ALWAYS say that <_< ...

I agree with you, slowerthanaverage, you make a good point... Cloud is a cold person, and he always has been a "solitary boy"... Then he could have problems comunicating his feelings, but he doesn´t have any problems to show them... When Aeris dies, he talks openly about his feelings; then, when Buhengahen is talking to Cloud, he says that he remembers a lot Aeris; and after, he thanks to Aeris all that she did...

And there are also the facts (which Clotis never want to see :angry: ). Cloud inmediately becomes to be Aeris bodyguard, and when she´s captured by Shinra, Cloud wants to rescue her (Barret says also, FOR THE FIRST TIME, that he´s surprised about Cloud worrying for someone, and Tifa was there, too ¬¬). In Canyon Cosmo he trys to support Aeris... There are facts which show Cloud´s feelings towards Aeris... There are other facts which show Cloud´s feelings towards Tifa, too, but in no moment they seem "romantic"... It seems that Tifa is always who is "urging" to Cloud to protect her (cough....the famous promise....cough).... So, if Cloud doesn´t have problems to show and after to comunicate his feelings for Aeris (well, he never says "I love you" or something like that, but, like slowerthanaverage has said, he comunicates more his feelings after Aeris death... And also this sentence is "problematic" for japanese people), why would he have problems to show or comunicate them to Tifa, if really does he love her?? Don´t Clotis say that they know each other very well?? ¬¬... And the same happens in AC... In the 20 mins shown by SE, Cloud never looks Tifa to face, but when he is with Aeris in the flower field, he is who wants to see her ^^... And he doesn´t have any problems to comunicate to Aeris his feelings there ¬¬...

And I´m not saying that Cloud doesn´t worry for Tifa, he worryes for her... But not in a romantic sense... Cloud never goes to support Tifa, Cloud never says that he wants to meet Tifa, or that he wants to stay with her, Cloud never trys to look at Tifa in AC (at least for the moment)... So there are facts... :cleris: (hehe, I wanted to put them ^^UU)...

:lol: Yes, I agree with the Square. Both of you are so right. I hear that a lot from Clotis too. Their other reason to Cloud and Tifa not communicating would be that they both had rough childhood and they both secretly loved each other from the moment they saw each other. Tifa was bullied and peer pressure by her friends so that they can have her all for themselves and that's how she never had a chance to tell Cloud her true feelings. *cough...cough* <_<

:lol: That is such a lousy excuse for the so called "communication" problem. They weren't friends in the first place and they didn't love each other. And if it was so true about Tifa's friends....then I guess it makes her no better than them since she bullied and peer pressure Cloud. <_<

Cloud was a cold person in the beginning but after meeting Aeris, his shell open up bit by bit. He's like the polar opposite of Squall who needed someone like Rinoa to open him up. Quistis couldn't do it nor everyone else in the group except Rinoa. Same goes with Aeris for Cloud.

I guess Clotis just don't want to accept the truth that Cloud DOESN'T have anymore interest in Tifa. No romantic interest or anything towards her. So, its their way of making excuses to cover for the truth. :lol:

Two types of communication: verbal and non-verbal.
Verbal is oral/spoken.
Non-verbal includes body language, facial expressions, gestures...

If Cloud couldn't express himself about his feelings for Tifa verbally, then I suggest that the Clotis look at his non-verbal communication. Communication isn't all about being verbal about your thoughts or feelings. In fact, from what I've learned from my major, the non-verbal says more and expresses more. What is being spoken may not necessarily coincide with what the non-verbal language is trying to express. :yawn:

The Cloti's seem to forget that Tifa has communicated her feelings to Cloud. Regardless of which version of the Highwind scene you get, Tifa still tells Cloud how she feels. She gave him an open invitation to show her his feelings rather than say them when she said, "Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking".

Tifa made it clear what her feelings were for Cloud under the Highwind. She gave him an opportunity to demonstrate it. If Cloud hasn't demonstrated such feelings already, then it's not gonna happen. He's had two years to demonstrate and/or express any feelings that he might have for her. If he hasn't done shown any feelings for her by now, then he doesn't have them.

As Tifa L. pointed out, body language can express feelings just as easily as verbal language. If you look at Cloud's reactions to Tifa in the trailers, he's averting his eyes, looking down, turning away from her, etc. That all suggests a rejection of her. Behaviors such as not telling her where he lives, not telling her that he has Geostigma, and letting the answering machine get her calls also suggest a rejection of her. We were discussing that in this thread: Cloud's Body Language

Cloud seems to be expressing his true feelings pretty clearly. Some people just don't want to accept the message. ;)

If Cloud and Tifa were just having communication problems as these stupid CloTis state then they SERIOUSLY shouldn't be together, I mean how does "they're just having communication problems" support the relationship? If anything, it makes it seem worse, that Cloud finds it hard to talk to Tifa.

And I've been inactive for awhile, sorry, welcome back me! I needed a break from the LT scene :3

I'm going to repeat this once before I start ranting. Communication problems are BAD in a relationship. People always say that if you want to be succesful in a relationship you must COMMUNICATE, and guess what they aren't doing? COMMUNICATING.

I better stop this before I start ranting. :lol:

Oh yes, btw, WELCOME BACK RINOA! :huggle:

Welcome back, Rinoa! :D

And I agree... if they're having trouble communicating *now*, wouldn't their communication problems *continue* if they did get into a relationship? Their communication problems wouldn't just magically stop. It would make for a very bad relationship.

*nod nod* It has been proven by couples and relationships everywhere (doye... it's very obvious. heheh) that to be able to have a relationship that will truly last and compromise, the people involved in that relationship SHOULD communicate... and of course, not only that, it should be paired up with honesty as well. :cleris:

I agree with you all. My parents are always discussing everything, sometimes they argue, but at least there's communication. It's been 23 years...and hopefully it'll last even longer, until the end.

Cloud and Tifa are too similar to be together as a couple. They're better as friends... Trying another kind of relationship would only ruin it.

Yeah they're waaaaay to similiar. I never looked to them as friends, more like a comrade thing. Friends laugh, and have something to share about. Cloud and Tifa don't seem to have that, I don't think Cloud looks to people as a "friend", just as people he care about. The only conversatins Cloud & Tifa have with each other are all serious. 'forced' topics. Are the CloTis REALLY playing a different game, or maybe they're just :rolleyes:

That's the way I saw it, too. Cloud and Aerith's conversations seem so much more spontaneous rather than forced. It always seems to me that Tifa's trying to pry Cloud open with a can opener, when Cloud just natually opens up around Aerith without her even trying.

.... :lmao: Nice description, Aly. ^_^


Cloud had SO much time to say that he loved Tifa --- since when he saw her up to AC. That's two-plus years to gather up the courage to say so. Communication problems can't cover the fact that Cloud just doesn't love Tifa. He shows no "beyond-friends" emotions to her, and (you guys are right) when they talk, it's for serious things, things you have to discuss.

How can it be a barrier for love when healthy communication plays such a big role in a relationship? I mean, if they are in love and can’t even communicate that, how much more if they become a couple and run into the sorts of problems that couples have?
Lack of communication is what makes Cloud and Tifa so unsuited for each other in the first place. It isn’t the barrier to their love, it’s the cause for the lack of romantic love on Cloud’s part.

Having difficulty communicating, and they're not even in a relationship yet? What a great start... :lol:

Seriously...when you are in love, you can feel awkwardly self-aware. You can be afraid of hurting someone, or being hurt yourself. You can be afraid to voice your feelings, out of a terror of rejection, or that you'll say something wrong, or that the person you care for will think less of you. Being hesitant about revealling your true feelings doesn't necesarilly indicate the absence of love. In fact, in Tifa's case it does the opposite: she tries to hard to lock her feelings away and hide them from everyone, and in fact she ends up wearing her heart on her sleeve. This is because she communicates her feelings in a way that isn't just coming out and saying "I love you, Cloud"...but she still gets them across.

However, going back to why fear of communication doesn't mean a lack of love - it's still not good. In a close relationship (friendship or something more intimate, which is what most people assume Cloud and Tifa share), you shouldn't be afraid of telling someone what you feel. You shouldn't be afraid of another person's reaction. You shouldn't be afraid of opening up and being sincere. You shouldn't be self-conscious. Because if you share a bond, no matter how scared you are, the other person will not let you be scared. You will know that they will accept and respect your feelings. You will know that they want to know how you feel. You'll know that you not communicating will hurt them more than whatever you say will. They'll give you your voice. You'll want to share your feelings, and reveal yourself. You will know that this other person respects you and cares for you, and doesn't want to hurt you emotionally. They will make you feel relaxed and comfortable, not self-conscious. You'll be comfortable about approaching difficult topics, and let your own natural sensitivity make sure that you don't unwittingly hurt the other person's feelings. Thanks to your bond, you'll feel confident enough in yourself to know that this person won't think less of you for expressing your thoughts and feelings. It's difficult and it's scary, and you can mess up a lot, but it's not impossible.

Fear can be a barrier, but if the feelings and bond are real, then it's something two people can move past and develop a happy and healthy relationship from. But...did that previous description of a relationship sound like Cloud and Tifa to you? :rolleyes:

I think that they don't have any comunication problems, the fact is that Cloud can't comunicate what he doesn't feels, this is well explained in Tifa L's explanation of Cloud's body language. He is communicating her, feelings of sorrow, pain and guilt, but not love. I think that he has done enough things to prove that he doesn't love Tifa, and for Tifa's reactions in the trailers, it seems that she has realized that her feelings are not shared by Cloud. Maybe in some point of the movie, she'll tell Cloud to follow his heart (if he loves Aerith, then he should do everything in his power, and beyond to be with her), showing that she supports him as a friend, or whatever.

Indeed Clerith-son ^^. I feel that lack of communication is a very bad excuse for the lack of love. Cloti fans are ignoring the physical gestures Cloud is portraying to Tifa. Perhaps they are too stubborn to acknowledge the fact that Cloud's lack of communication = lack of romantic interest. lmao

Yes, I think that if SE, Nomura or Kitase decided that Cloti was the official couple, we would have been already told. But they hasn't shown us anything like that, they haven't shown us a Cloud that's in love in Tifa, but a Cloud that's suffering of grief, pain and sorrow, because all the times he has failed, but primarily because he couldn't protect Aerith.

Why if he loved Tifa that much, he hasn't moved on with her, instead of being suffering because of he couldn't protect Aerith? Two years, was the time he had to move on with the woman the Clotis claim he loves, but he hasn't. That shows his lack of love (love involving romantic feelings) for Tifa. She will always be a dear friend for him, but nothing more than that. I'm sure that even Tifa has realized that, because she is not even trying to make him fall in love with her, as she did in the game, but we see a Tifa that is concerned for a friend, honestly if I hadn't played the game but seen the trailers I would have thouht that she was his bigger sister, for the way she yells at him, like if he was little boy.

If ever i heard and Bull Sh** excuse its that one. heres an exact quote from a Cloti shrine......."Cloud and Tifa are deepley in love its just Aerith had an advatage because she was able to talk about her feelings unlike Tifa but of corse that dosent change that Cloud And Tifa Love each other"

When i read that i nearley threw up I gave that person a email cant remeber who it was but The Email had lots of info proving there not in love all they could respond with was...........''Comunication Problem" well there morons anyway