in advent children, when cloud is with vincent in the city of the ancient, marlene appears and she says:

[Cloud]
Marlene!


[Marlene]
Cloud! Denzel's...Tifa's...!


[Cloud]
Vincent, could you take Marlene back with you to the Seventh Heaven?

I have something to talk about with those ShinRa buggers....


notice tha Marlene looks scared when she sais: Cloud! Denzel is...Tifa is..!!

if cloud loved tifa so much,why he wasnt worried about something bad happening to here? why he was no said: marlene, what happened to tifa? or something like the? no. He simply sais to vincent:

take marlene to the 7 heaven.

so, what they would say the clotis about this?!

and another thing, when cloud is with aeris in the flowerfield and she ask him by who he want to be forgiven...he wants to look at her..because he want to say..by you.... :cloud:

what guys do you think??

Hmmm.....I thought about almost the exact thing. Well, they're just vague scenes and lines but still, I found it quite amusing. :lol:
That's true, so true. If Cloud did love Tifa, he would had asked Marlene immediately. Or how about at the church scene. He just took one look at her and then skim the area. I almost had a feeling that he was going to leave her there and go after the enemies. :lol:
Ohh...and the scene when Tifa woke up...... :lol: He only talked about Aerith and didn't even ask her if she was alright? Yeah, Cloud cared so much about Tifa that he didn't ask about her well being. :lol:

Well, Cloti's intial response to that would mean that after he quarrel with Vincent, he said to Marlene, Let's go home. Meaning, he made up or something...(typical Cloti response.... <_< ) But to me, its quite interesting. He wanted Vincent to take Marlene home...so that's his first choice. But I would said that after seeing the heartbreak by Marlene, it probably made Cloud feel sad (maybe) and he sorta gave in. But "home" could be anywhere and this word "home" is what Clotis always refer to as Tifa's bar. Sure it is. <_<

:unsure: Yeah, now that you mentioned it, Marlene even accused Cloud of never listening to her or Tifa.

Yes, I agree that when Cloud said "Let's go home." He was really pacifying Marlene, the way you would pacify your little cousin to go back home "Okie honey, enough of playing, time to go, let's go home ok?"
That doesn't mean the his home = my home <_<

Hmm, yeah, in all the trailers I've seen, he never said anything about Tifa or her well being. It's like he cares more about being forgiven by everyone, especially the ones he failed to protect rather than someone who only 'noticed' him after a few years.

I almost couldn't believe what I saw, but that it wa mentioned here, I got a clearer picture. Anyway, I think Cloud may have also thought more of saving the planet once more than just of one person.

LOL! I thought the same thing. :lol:

Very true. He could also have meant, "Let's go home to Midgar". After all, they're on the Northern Continent. Remember, too, that Nomura said that some scenes shown in the Film Festival are being revised. Statements like that may have been included in the film festivals simply to pull the scenes together more coherently for the film festival presentation. They couldn't expect everyone at the film festivals to be fans of Final Fantasy.

Yep, I noticed that, too. I thought that statement of Marlene's really shows the quality of Cloud and Tifa's relationship, along with his body language. Whenever we see Cloud with Tifa, he's got his eyes averted and his head turned away. In the scene where she's nagging at him, he's even got his back turned to her. In the picture of them together, he's turned away with his eyes down. He only looks at Tifa once, and that's when she's injured.

However, Cloud turned around in the flower field scene, wanting to see Aerith. :cleris:

you are right, ! at first Cloud says to Vincent to take marlene home, but Vincents answer is " no". That is why Cloud, at the end, agree taking marlene : the dialogue its:

incent, could you take Marlene back with you to the Seventh Heaven?

I have something to talk about with those ShinRa buggers....


[Vincent]
I cannot agree with that.


[Cloud]
But--!


[Marlene]
Cloud, that's enough! Why won't you ever listen to us?


[Cloud]
Marlene, please wait for me a little while more.

A huge fight is about to break out. But it's not just a /fight/ fight.
You do know what that means, right?


[Marlene]
No, I don't know what that means!!


[Cloud's flashback]
---[Tifa]
Stop running away already! I know already!

Even if we do find the kids, there may still be nothing we can do for them!
Maybe we can't get them back at all, even! That's what you're scared of, right?


[WCM ~I think~]
Cloud...is this about you fighting again?


[Tifa]
...were we overcome by our memories?


[Cloud]
But I just stood by and let her get killed.


[Aerith's voice]
You and your laments...

How about if I say, "I forgive you"?---


(back to present)

[Cloud]
Do you think a sin can be forgiven?


[Vincent]
I've never tried.


[Cloud]
Try...

C'mon, Marlene! Let's go home.

You know, in Spanish at least, is normal to say to a children: lets go home; for example when i am with the little sister or brother of a friend, we say to her/ or him:

now its time to go home; i say this buy im talking about the children home NOT my home...clotis said that Cloud only needs to be forgiven by Aeris, so he could move on with Tifa. I dont think its true, so, the really think he has remembered her the last 2 years and in ....a month, or something like this, he will forget her and go with Tifa??

:cloud:

Cloud must've been worried even for a little... I mean, he's friends with Tifa, right? But he's worried not in the sense that he's worried like how a lover would worry for his love. :ermm: I mean, Cloud isn't such a selfish person even though it might seem like he's only interested in his own agenda (i.e. Seeing Aerith, talking to Rufus, talking to the Turks, stopping Kadaj and the like...)... so he must've been worried... or like, concerned? What kind of friend wouldn't be concerned for the safety of another friend? <_<

Exactly. :rolleyes: I took my 13-year-old niece to see a movie the other day and, when it was over, I said, "Okay, let's go home." However, I do not live at my niece's house and she doesn't live at mine. But, rather than say, "I will take you home and then I am going home", I just said, "Let's go home". Cloud is doing to same thing. These CloTis are just so friggin' desperate, they read too much into things like this. If they had any common sense, they would realize how asinine they are making themselves look. :lol:

I agree with Tifa about Cloud caring for Tifa - but not in a lover's way. He still has to worry about his former friends right? He cared for Tifa in the church when she was injured (I wonder why Clotis think this would be romantic for Cloud kissing an unconscious girl? :ermm: ).

I guess they think it's romantic as they're hoping it will have the 'Sleeping Beauty' or 'Snow White' effect where the girl wakes up after. Unless they think it shows how much he cares about the certain someone , especially when they're at the edge of their life. That's my theory anyway.

Even if we see that Cloud cares for her as a friend should, the Clotis will think that there is a chance that Cloud has fallen for Tifa and what not. I sort of had a little 'quarrel with my brother about the scene where Cloud held Tifa in the Church, but hopefully it has come to past :P.

Well, he was concerned when he found Tifa in the Church. Anyone, whether a friend or not, would be concerned if they find someone beaten to a pulp and about to go unconscious. You'd have to be a cold-hearted person not to feel concern.

But other than finding Tifa in the Church, is there any other reason that Cloud should feel concern for Tifa? The SHM aren't after her, she doesn't have Geostigma, the Seventh Heaven isn't going bankrupt, etc... why else would Cloud be concerned for her?

Hmmm... good point. Other than that, (Tifa could recover from those injuries, as she is a seemingly "tuff chik" as what some people say ^_^ ) I don't think Cloud has anything special to worry about for Tifa. :no: Every friend worries that this friend might be harmed or something might go horribly wrong. But, usually, people don't really feel this until circumstances arise, but you know that they feel it. ^_^

something that botters me its that cloud says to vincent:

- you think a sin can be forgiven?

and then he ads he will try.....my question is....what do you think cloud will do to be forgiven by aeris? :unsure:

There are a number of different translations, and in some of them, Cloud simply says that if he finds out, he'll let Vincent know. In others, he says he wants to try, and he'll let Vincent know of the results. I'm not sure which is correct. :unsure: I'd say he does want to try and be forgiven, and he may think that by saving the children and stopping the SHM (therefore protecting the Planet) may earn him Aerith's forgiveness. Aerith says that there's nothing to forgive, but that Cloud needs to forgive himself. Maybe saving the children and not giving up as he was ready to do before will help with that.

maybe...maybe saving the children an saving the planet he will learn to forgive himself... :whistle:

I agree that he needs to forgive himself, and I don't think Cloud will be able to see Aerith's face until he forgives himself. But if Cloud's still blaming himself for her death, then I think Cloud will be driven to do more for Aerith in order to "earn" forgiveness. For example, Cloud may feel that he can "earn" forgiveness best by following through with Aerith's original intention to save the Planet and/or saving the Planet to make sure that her death wasn't in vain. In either case, he would be doing it for her memory to make up for his "sin".

I agree, Aly, I think that is his main reason for deciding to fight again. Before he spoke to Aerith he was convinced he couldn't help anyone, and he was resigned to the idea of dying from Geostigma. He even tells the WCM he can't help him. After he speaks to Aerith, saves the children and hears of Kadaj's plan, that's when he decides to fight. (Of course, this is assuming that the trailer scenes are in order. ;) )

yes, maybe if he save the world he will learn to forgive himself, because aeris has forgiven him, how diferent she is from tifa, who in ff7, when sefirot stabed her and cloud arrived and take her in his arms, she sais to him:

you..had promised me..you would saved me if i was in danger..and you are too late..

or something like this ¬¬

aeris didnt blame cloud, for her, the important was cloud has came for her..

i like the trailer, when aeris sais:

ikou...kurato..... ( lets go, cloud) :woot:

Well, assuming that they're in order:

1. Cloud doesn't want to fight. He doesn't think he can save anyone.
2. In the Endless Forest... Cloud tells Marlene that a fight is about to break out but "it isn't just a fight" This seems to mark his decision to fight again..."for the children, for a memory, and for himself."
3. He has a flashback... Tifa confirming that he's afraid of failing the children and that's why he isn't fighting...the WCM questioning him if he's gonna fight...and then Aerith telling him he's forgiven...
4. He's gonna fight...and then he tells Vincent he wants to see if he can be forgiven. So Aerith played a big part in his decision.

Makes a lot of sense if they came in that order ^_^