Okay, I'm not sure if this should be posted here since it's about KH and FFVII...(still new... eh :sweat: )

Anyway... I was thinking about it... Well, in Final Fantasy 7, we all know how Aeris dies, right? Well... I was reading an article online about a theory that the promised land (where Cloud claimed he would "meet/see" Aeris at the end of the game) could be interpreted as another world... Well, then Kingdom Hearts comes around, and the worlds are "connected" and Aeris isn't dead. Then in Advent Children, Cloud is able to be with her as well and see her in the promised land. So, if the promised land is truly another world, then Cloud could still be with Aeris, even though she's not in his world...?

It's just my theory, but I was thinking about that hehe. Anyone else agree or have any other theories?

It could be possible, however, I've always thought the Promised Land is a state of being not a physical place. I could always be wrong though.

There's an interview by Nomura about KH where he talks about the reason for having Aerith in KH.

So from what Nomura is saying, KH isn't meant to connect to the original FFVII game, it's simply supposed to answer questions about Cloud and Aerith's relationship. So no, I don't believe the KH world is supposed to be the Promised Land since Nomura has said there is no conncection between the stories, only in that the characters have the same relationship with each other.

I've always thought of the Promised Land as equivical to heaven myself. A higher state of being for them once their mortal existence is done. It's not necissarily another world or a physical place like Shinra thought it was. *shrugs* My two cents on the matter.

Hmm yeah I thought about that too. Haha I never saw that interview, thanks! =D I forget the website where they brought up that the promised land was another world... I'll try to look it up again.

Yeah, it has pretty much been confirmed that the KH and FFVII universes aren't linked in any way...but the Promised Land is still a really interesting topic. Ultimately, I think it's something different for every individual...so, I guess the true question then is: To Aerith and Cloud, what is the Promised Land?

For the two of them, it appears to be the same thing because at the end of the game, Cloud states it's where they can meet again. I personally think the Promised Land is symbolized by fields of flowers as shown in Calling, but to put it simply, I think it's the world of the living. According to Aerith, only Cetras may return to the Promised Land after death, and AC shows she's still present in the living world. Where do we see her at the end of Calling? IMO, In her Promised Land, among the living. It was also here that Cloud was able to meet her again as told to him at the end of the game...and, from my understanding of Calling, he can continue to "meet" her here. The Planet, in tune with nature and at peace, sounds like it could be The Promised Land. Yeah, I know...sounds way too simplistic, right? ^^

Hmm, I swear we have a thread about the Promised Land somewhere around here. Guess I can link these two threads together when I find it.

I hope that is applied on KH2. Because just as what that interview said, if we're going to remember "Tifa chasing Cloud but can't find Cloud, Cloud hiding" thing, and also the ending scene where we see Aerith at the Crystal Fissure, it's so easy to tell what is of Aerith/Cloud/Tifa triangle--on KH, and FFVII. In my eyes, it might just be my pink glasses, but it's so easy to see that Aerith and Cloud is what Square has intended for.

Forgive my blur wording, I'm kinda out of it. :P

EDIT: I think this is the first time I actually put my mind on this. Hehe. XD

I think the thing is, the characters and their relationships with each other are supposed to be the same as they are in their original games, it's just that the stories have no connection to each other.

So in KH, I think it's quite clear that the relationships between Cloud, Aerith, and Tifa are exactly the same as they are in FFVII. ^_^ Cloud avoids Tifa and runs from confrontation with her in any form, just as he does in VII. But with Aerith, he's actively seeking her, and he speaks to her regarding his feelings and emotions, exactly the same as we see him doing in VII.

I think that since KH2 is a continuation of KH, it makes sense that it would be a continuation of the idea in the intervew that Nomura gave. ^_^

If the KH universe were meant to be the promised land, you would think that they would allude to it in some way, but I can't think of any instence where they have.

(Hades' Daughter Posted on Apr 28 2008, 08:33 AM)

What is Calling :huh: ? I've never heard of it.

I found the website! This takes you directly to the page where they talk about the promised land and where I first heard the theory of the promised land being another world/planet (although according to the site, its not the strongest theory, but it also can't be dissmissed, well you'll see it if you read the article) http://www.ff7citadel.com/secrets/s_orb.shtml Oh there's also some other interesting topics on that site if you're interested in reading! :)

Calling is the music video that is after the ending credits of AC that features Cloud/Aerith.

You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZItssJugxJk

OH! Okay, yeah I've seen it =] I just didn't know the name, thanks!

entwinedxxivy:

Thanks. This is my first time reading this theory, but I must say, the idea that the yellow orb Cloud saw while on his way to fight Sephiroth might be that of a planet/Promised Land is pretty interesting. I have two things I want to say about this. First off, after reading both theories, I personally find this theory more likely than the one about the orb being Holy. To me, it looks more like a glowing planet than the holy materia glowing. Actually, I have always just assumed it was the moon or something.

The second thing I wanted to say is that a lot in that theory makes sense, however, I'm thinking it might not be another planet at all, but the one they're currently living on. True that it does coincide with what Cloud said at the end about having received an answer, but notice what he said was "an answer from the Planet...the Promised Land...I can meet her...there." I'm pretty sure the part about "the planet" is referring to their planet because Aerith often "talks" to "the Planet"(and she means their world). It's essentially my theory about the Promised Land being their Planet(at peace and in tune with nature). If the Promised Land is a different planet, it just doesn't really fit in with AC. Why hasn't Cloud attempted to fly into space or something(since it's clear he desires to meet Aerith again)? Instead, he's moping around various places here on his own planet(Aerith's church, etc.) in hopes of being close to her.

Also, like I was explaining in my earlier post, the idea that the Promised Land is our Planet fits because here is where Cloud and Aerith did meet again. It was shown at the end of "Calling" that she exists here with Cloud, and it was said that while everything else becomes one with the lifestream, the Promised Land is a place that only a Cetra may get to after their journey(after death, I assume?).

FFCitadel:

I thought it was already confirmed somewhere that the cries Aerith heard at the beginning of the game were cries from the Planet(their own planet). That would support the idea that the glowing yellow orb, if it is a planet, isn't a different planet.

One other thing I wanted to point out is that before Aerith left for the City of the Ancients, she'd told Cloud she would "come back when it's all over". Considering that only a Cetra can get to the Promised Land, it makes some sense to me that the Promised Land could be our Planet. I'm not referring to the lifestream, but the living world. Going off topic a little, maybe this is why Zack appeared with Aerith in the church. He wants to see Cloud again, but because he isn't Cetra(only a Cetra may go to the Promised Land), he's not able to appear in the living world by himself. I dunno, it'd be nice if SE could just tell us the answer. :)

Yeah! That all makes sense now... I dont know, but at the end of AC, after I watched Calling It gave me a feeling that Aerith was still among the living and not really dead...And the kids were able to see her too! That would also explain why all the cetra ended up dying, because they had already reached the promised land... idk I might be wording this weirdly... lol But yeah, it all makes sense! :D

Teehee...I dunno 'bout that.
I personally think that in terms of the Promised Land, we're only talking about something that occurs after death. Here's a clue about the Promised Land in MoTP:

Interpret this however you like, I suppose. ^^

hmmm yeah. haha now that i re-read what i wrote it doesnt make sense. :P Just sleepy talking, rough night lol. hmmmmmmm interesting quote. thats in Maiden who travels the planet, right???

I thought Promised Land is something we have to find it by our self? Which mean, different people will have different promised land? The link below show how Aerith explain about Promised Land:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ8DUI2ui6s

between 03:08- 03:14

And we can only, travel and search it, then feel it... then we find promised land..
Maybe at the end of the 'calling' song show that Cloud travel n search for it.. n He finally find the promised land... As for Cloud's Promised Land is the place where with a flower field and with Aerith at there with him... or in other word.. just have to feel it no matter where u are... maybe.. hehe not sure.. :P

The "Promised Land" in FFVII is very close to "Paradise" from Wolf's rain in my opinion. It can be a place, but also a state of mind or some feeling.So yes, maybe Cloud's Promised Land is flower fields -because Aeris is there and he can be happy with her.