When Cloti's say "Cloud and Tifa lurve each other in Advent Children" :tard:
And then turn around and say "Cloud and Aerith dont prove to be canon in Knigdom Hearts II !!" The creators of Advent Children ALSO Make Kingdom Hearts II!! <_<
HUH i just cant stand that

I don't get it. So, Cloud and Aeris don't 'prove to be canon' in KHII... well, Cloud x Tifa REALLY don't prove to be canon in KHII. xP

Well...I believe non of FF7 pairings are credited canon except CidXShera. :unsure: Most of such fandom declarations belong to rabidness, but actually it goes vice versa, we also have rabid Cleriths too. :(
Don't worry, yOur post about Clotis is merely one of the thousands.... :sweat: And I think it'll be better to post the details of what you know about this issue instead of opening a new thread like this.

Oh, and just in case you don't know...Tifa doesn't even exist in KH1, and in KH2, all she did was chasing Cloud around. I won't regard it as some romantic interaction at all. :D

yea I agree,there are some rabid clorith's to its just a lil hard to find them thats all.
and Ichigo I don't think those people were talking to you.Im sure they know you love Clorith just as much as them =)

Ah, its like the whole KHI doesn't prove anything, and KHII does .... wow! talk about logic xD

yea it doesn't make any sense at all.
why do they say KH2 is cannon but not KH1 ?lol

Because tifa makes an appearance! =O! She kicks walls and junk trying to find Cloud, who i think, doesn't want to be bothered D;

yea that is some real LuVin there......NOT

It seems like they just put Tifa in there to be fair... >.> what the hell was her purpose in that game? I only played KHII through once, but I barely remember her doing anything... except ask for a guy with "sthhhpiky hair"...

I haven't played the game at all, but i have seen what she does, she offers her light to cloud and Cloud doesn't seem so sure he wants it.

Then she just keeps chasing him everywhere and for some odd reason, Cloud doesn't want her around, maybe to keep her safe, but being stubborn and wanting to help him, she continuous to follow him around.

She kicks walls and punches stuff, looking for Cloud, when he is just so close to him, in the same world if I'm not mistaken, talking to Aerith. Then when Cloud flees one more time, they disappear to another place, which we don't know yet =P

That about the extent of my knowledge towards her part. Oh, and she gives Sora a keyblade =P

Eek. I want to get defensive on Tifa's side, but at the same time I must agree. She doesn't do much in KHII, and I think she was put in there because the creators wanted to. Not to "be fair". Well, whichever reason they put her in there, I don't like the way she was portrayed. Chasing Cloud like a mad-woman. She was totally OOC. Tifa's more the type to NOT do that, but let Cloud do what he wants, IMO.
Aeris was very OOC. Aeris is the type of person who would NOT leave Cloud alone. (Not saying she would chase him like Tifa did, but I think she would try following Cloud like she did in the beginning of FFVII, and if she asked, I think Cloud would relent and let her come along.)
Hell, a lot of the FF characters seemed OOC. xD Even Cloud. The only person he seemed to care about was himself, and Sephiroth. He's not THAT selfish.
Sephiroth remained the same though, it seemed. x'] I just don't know what they were going for. :/ Do AU FF characters, mean they have different personalities, too? O_O

^I don't know. Everything in KH that isn't Sora, Riku, or anyone who's a main character, feels kind of corny or random to me. Maybe the fact that they seem "ooc" is because they have a different history, thus have different motives and act... different? xP

And I still feel like it was out of fairness? Just because I thought, if I were a Cloti (or just a plain Tifa fan), and then Aeris/Cloud were in a game with a few other FFVII characters, I might think "that's not fair at all!" That kind of thing. ;D I know I'd feel that way if Aeris was left out. >.>

I was reading about that, it's sort of funny I don't remember any of that at ALL. O_o I do rember the line "the light doesn't suit you", but only upon reading it. Crazy. xP KHII is just a big blur...

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What is "OOC" I have never heard of that before.

Actually, Cloud pretty much, first, let Aerith knows he's going to deal with his problem (Sephiroth) and wouldn't want worry about her getting hurt. She understands this, which is why she stay behind, supporting him from afar.

OOC - Out of Character

Hm, I disagree, although I do think Aerith would have tried to tell Cloud not to tell her "not to get involved," ("that's Cloud's line!"), but she did question him about it. :unsure: I believe having her stay was a way of showing us that she understands what Cloud needs to do, trusts him, and that she'll wait for Cloud, instead of hunting him down as Tifa did. That and the creators probably couldn't think of a way to work her into the rest of Cloud's side-story. XD

As for Tifa, I think she's rather in character. In AC and CoT, she showed deep concern for Cloud and constantly worried about him. I think she even went to the church to find him. Given the oppurtunity, she'll follow and try to find Cloud.

Yes, I agree it's like Aeris to be understanding, but Cloud never wanted to involve Aeris in anything dangerous start to finish of FFVII. But, Aeris being strong-willed as she is, decided to follow Cloud even if he protested.
I was kind of expecting Aeris to somehow "save the day" in KHII, when Cloud left her behind and she said she would wait. That just seemed more like her, to go off by herself and fix things. x'D But, I understand what you mean. I guess it's not entirely out of her character.

Yes, I agree that Tifa is constantly worried about Cloud and would follow him no matter the circumstances, but at the same time she would let him make his own decisions, of course, stopping him if she thought it might hurt him. x] But, don't you think they took it a little TOO far in KH2? D:

About the whole "fairness" issue, I suppose it could be true, but it's just not what I believe. ^^

How could Cloud,Aerith,tifa be OOC?
The Creator's made the game,so Im pretty sure they know how to make their Characters act.
its dorkieness to say that its not how the characters acted in the beginning.....
Nomura was Going for the FFVII version of all the characters I forget where I heard this from But I did here it .
So I have no Idea why you all think this about the characters.....

And Aerith Would probably go after Cloud Usually,But she obviously knew that Cloud was doing Something Serious,and didn't need Her there just so He can worry about her getting hurt.Because Cloud would focus on protecting Aerith and not doing what ever it is he was doing.
Clouds kinda to protective of Aerith so He WOULD definitely worry about her if he took Her around the guy that murdered her.I just think Aerith realized that Cloud is in Serious
Sugar Honey Ice Tea
And decided to let him do what he has to ,and when he was finished he would come back to her xD
Just in my opinion though .

Right, the creators did make it. I'm just not sure what they were on WHEN they made it, lol.

I love KH, and how FF was mixed into it and everything, but some things... just seemed a little off kilter, to me.

I respect your opinion, though.~

I actually think their core personalities were the same, and yet certain traits were exaggerated so that people might think they stand out enough for them to remember (and maybe go back and play other games the characters were in).

I think the reason they had Aerith choose to stay out of Cloud's situation is because they wrote Aerith into the series as having a story outside of Cloud. I mean, I don't see Aerith leaving the Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee just to follow Cloud when she's aware that this is his major battle. After all, there has to be a home for him to come back to, and since he's already promised her that he would return (even though he supposedly cares nothing for that world)...well...make of it what you will. :lol:

Hm, exaggerated? Perhaps that is true. ^-^

But, I don't remember Cloud promising to come back. I remember him telling her he WILL come back, but I don't remember the promise part. : X

Can I please see the dialouge, if you have it?
Just curious, that's all. :winner:

I thought Tifa was very much in character, i mean, she wants to help Cloud, but unlike Aerith who stays behind, she actually wants to help physically.

And as for the whole, Cloud protesting, i think it was Aerith's will to help Cloud, just like tifa did, which made it look like she was following him. Besides, if she didn't follow him in the game, how on earth would she be involve with the story line?

As for tifa stopping Cloud if she thought it might hurt him thing, she does do that a lot, but she doesn't seem to "stop" him. I mean, she lets him make his own choices like you said, bad or good.

And the promise thing. I had the dialouge somewhere! D; but anyway, he does and kinda doesn't promise in a way. He wasn't sure when he said it to Aerith, probably because he was thinking of the worst case scenario D;

@Inuyatta Exactly! Aerith wouldn't leave everyone just to help Cloud, when she is needed so much more in RG/HB and she also knows he'll be safe <3

Here is the video of it .
And Cloud doesn't promise Aerith but thats what he means to do..
KH2 Clorith scene

Thanks, this is how I remembered it.

I just wanted to confirm if he promised her or not. x]

But this is what I mean by OOC. Cloud is like,
"Sure."
"Okay."
I think Cloud would be a little more open to Aeris than that. >>

I dunno if this will help, but here is the script D;

Cloud says he'll come back, so its like he is making a promise he'll come back. But like i said, he didn't look so sure, probably because he is thinking of the worse.

And as for the Cloud being more open. Your right, but its probably because he's burdened by something, or his mind is on sephy, god the guy practically worships him! xD

yea I agree.
I think it would have gone more smoother and I don't think Cloud would talk to Her about that stuff in front of sora And co.
But yet again it is with Aerith.
I just wish the scene was more like the cosmo canyon scene in FF7 thats all.
But no Cloud never promised her but thats what he intended In my opinion .

Huh--I thought it was a given he was promising her something. Oh well. Essentially, he did but is there some significance that I'm missing here? O_o

He did promise in a way <3 telling her he'd come back <3

yea he wanted to say "I promise " but I think he changed that because sora was there.
Clouds not the type to talk about his feelings in front of a kid......let alone a kid he doesn't really know.

I dont think he was actually going to say i promise at all. I think he meant it that way though. And sora being there wasn't a problem, i mean, why should it?

Also, Aerith isn't really going to harass a promise out of him if he didn't want to, unlike tifa xD

Yea,yea I agree.
And to me it kinda looks like Cloud wants to talk to sora but sora isn't that interested in talking to Cloud.....
just my thoughts though

Now that I think about it, I don't think Cloud would make a promise he didn't think he could keep.

Like, he may have promised Aeris, if he didn't think it was a possibilty that he could die fighting Sephiroth, lose his light, or continue chasing Sephiroth forever/get swallowed by darkness.

Of course! :3 everyone knows he's not good at keeping them but he does make them only if he thinks he can keep it.

Poor Cloudy is thinking the worst! D;

Is the script in Japanese any different? :unsure: I'm just curious, whether or not it's significant, but you know how English translations like to "dumb" down a few things. :sweat:

Like BPMM said, Cloud probably wouldn't make a promise he didn't intend on keeping. He probably says he will come back because, if circumstances allow him to, he most certainly will. He has a lot weighing on him and isn't exactly sure of himself, and he kinda looks rather reluctant to even answer "yeah" to her question. Of course, Aerith's able to read him like a book, but she has faith and trust in Cloud that he will succeed and overcome his problems so she tells him to "go get things done." Aerith may even be trying to help Cloud figure things out on his own, kinda like what she did in AC, by not following him. Sorta like, she doesn't wanna "baby him" and give him all the answers. >_> Not that I'm saying Aerith is an all-knowing-god or anything.

If that made any sense.

Im not sure, maybe it is. English translations are lame D;

And your right, you could say she doesn't want to burden him as he has enough on his plate already n.n

Wow, now I am all interested in reading a japanese script for this too! I hope some one finds one. xD

Yea me tooooooooo <3
I wish I knew better Japanese I would just watch it and then tell ya'll what it said=(
Sorry Guys :unsure:

Although im not really sure what your are hoping to find in the jap script though D;

Here's the url for the Japanese version: (has the lines too)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVbWMawtq5g&feature=related

Ohhhhh at 00:45 I can understand what sora says im so happy
:fangirl:

"Got it ,see you cloud"

"Wakatta,jaa ne ,Kuraudo' :fangirl: :fangirl: