I was looking at some of the original lines in Advent Children and they seem very Clerisy to me~http://www.final-fantasy.it/venice_report.html

"You think you' ll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???"

"Meeting here again. That is my dream."

Why were these lines not put into the movie? I'm just curious. :unsure:

Around the time AC was being made, there were a few scenes that didn't make it into the final cut too, like the one of Cloud walking through the church, or the one of Kadaj and Cloud fighting out in the desert. I'm guessing those lines were rewritten because SE decided they weren't needed. I'm guessing the 'you think you'll meet her again this way?' line was rewritten to 'which is it, a memory or us?'

As for the 'meeting her' line, as far as I'm aware, that was a caption from a magazine preview of AC under a screencap of Cloud and Aerith in the flowerfield, so it was put in by whoever wrote the article, and not a quote from the film.

Yeah, that was unfortunate. The original line was much more ClAerisy. :no:

That's a tough one, really. The actual line "Meeting her again. That is my dream" was in quotes when it was placed on the scan. Why put it in quotes if it wasn't a line from the movie?

When i heard tifa say that, she kinda put Cloud right on the spot and i thought she was quite mean when she said it xD

wow those lines are so beautifully Clerisy i wish they put it... but im guessing that maybe by doing so Square thought it might be to obviously Clerith.. so in order to keep the LTD going maybe they decided no to... but since it was originally intended to be there the we sure as hell know what square thinks.. and what Cloud thought.. that as long as he could meet her dying would be good... but ive never heard of those lines before.. was it in the original script that came with the DVD?

The script that came with the DVD was neither the original script nor the finished script. In fact, it is completely useless. <_<

As for the line "You think you' ll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???"... it was spoken in several of the trailers for AC. The speaker was Tifa and she was addressing Cloud.

The line "Meeting her again. That is my dream." was showcased on scans (not sure how many) from the Japanese mags. It was shown in quotes above a pic of Cloud and Aerith back-to-back in the flower field.

Square is incredibly mean! D; Stupid marketing ideas xD

@FF_G Its so sweet of Cloud to say that its his "dream" to meet aerith <3 *COUGHHISDESIREISLIKESOOBVIOUSCOUGH* xD :fangirl:

Thanks for clearing all this up. I saw the quotes and they seemed very Clerisy to me. I really thought they took them out because of Tetsuya Nomura saying it would ruin the LTD, but a CloTi told me different at school today at break. :ermm:

Never trusts cloti's who have no evidence right?

I don't know for sure, but I always though some of these missing lines were actual mistranslations from the fans. Especially the You think you' ll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???"... line. I never tried to listen wether or not the japanese words remained the same in the movie, so I could be wrong. :unsure:

But in the early days, most of the fan-translated trailers made some sentences have more meaning than what was actually intended, official translation blew these later on. Did anyone check this out more closely?

Actually, lines like those disappeared right after Nomura mentioned in an interview that he had been told that he was contradicting too many fan interpretations.

Actually, I seem to remember that someone translated that line as "Was the way I died a good way", then it was changed to "The way you die could be a good way". After that, it seemed that more lines appeared in the trailers such as "You think you' ll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so?" which could only be about Aerith. So, really, I dunno unless someone wants to research and translate the old trailers. :dunno:

I don't know much about the FF7 AC trailers but I know how that I read an article in Chinese around this subject. It was something like is was Cloud's dream to meet Aerith (with a pic of her) but Tifa's the only woman that is real (aka. could be his girlfriend.)

Ah, really? I knew it was something like that.

I'm below dumb this morning. Are you saying a Chinese article said that Aeris is his GF or Tifa? Or am I just mixed up? :lol:

He didn't have anything on him to show. :P

It was something like is was Cloud's dream to meet Aerith (with a pic of her) but Tifa's the only woman that is real (aka. could be his girlfriend.)

Cloud dreams to meet Aerith, but Tifa is the only woman that could be his girlfriend (cause she's alive) but Cloud is entirely focussed on Aerith.

Awww, but its still sweet that Cloud is only focused on Aerith. I mean, sure tifa's alive, that dont mean Cloud has to go with her xD

Sounds like the article author was giving their opinion, rather than info. In the original scans I saw, there was a pic of Cloud and Aerith back-to-back with the caption in quotes (as if Cloud were speaking the words): "Meeting her again. That is my dream."

Those same scans mentioned Cloud's relationship with Tifa as well. They said that Aerith was the one in Cloud's heart and that Tifa knew this. Basically, all it said about Tifa's role was that she supported Cloud.

...he just didn't want rabid Clotis to string him up, because of the pure Clerisness of those lines. ;)
Hmmm...who exactly told Nomura that he was contradicting? The SE staff?

I don't think he ever said. But, I am sure it was other staff members.

Uhhh where did you get this from

because that is so sweet!!!!!
i must know where it is.

please help me out

:cleris:

I got them off of this site~ http://www.final-fantasy.it/venice_report.html

The way it reads, this guy went to the film festivals before AC was released.

Yes, i remember the trailer which showed Cloud riding on his motorbike, crossing the Sleeping forest, and we could heard the voice of Tifa saying: ( in spanish they translated like")

" to dye is not bad at all, it is that what you are thinking"

The should have put them in the movie!
so, they replaced the lines, with the actual " a memory or us", that means that Tifa was refering to Aeris, to the memory of Aeris!!

:D

Was tifa referring to Cloud's guilt over aerith? or something else, because when i watched it the first time and she said it, i thought she was making Cloud choose over her or aerith o.o

I think Tifa was refering that Cloud had to choose Aeris ( a memory) or them ( his family WHO IS ALIVE)

That is why she adds : i finally said it, because it was somthing she had benn thinking but never had the strong to say it to Cloud.

^Many people say 'Memory' as like the past. I've always thought this, but most people assume when Tifa says, "Which is it? A memory or us?" that she is referring to Aeris and herself and making him choose, which I think that's kind of mean of Tifa, if she really did mean that. :ermm:

Eh, I don't think Tifa would ever be so cold as to refer to Aerith as just a "memory," or ask Cloud to chose between herself and Aerith. Tifa knew how important Aerith was to Cloud, and that he was in great pain over her death.

I actually thought that Tifa was referring to Cloud's guilt over Aerith's death as the "memory" when she said that. Cloud's guilt over letting Aerith die was so strong, it caused him to isolate himself from his friends, and made him feel that he wasn't fit to help anyone. After the children were kidnapped, Tifa wondered if that guilt from the past was strong enough to keep Cloud from helping those that needed him now, in the present (i.e. the children).

I thought she was basically asking him if he was going to continue to wallow in mistakes of the past, rather than live in, and focus on, the present. BUT W/E I'M NOT MAKING SENSE, IGNORE ME PLZ.

Ah, thats what i thought too, but i wasn't sure exactly what Tifa meant and wanted to know what you guys thought <3

*grumbles*

Putting that line back in would've settled several debates. Not only that, but it ties in beautifully with the end of FFVII. (If they decide to remake FFVII, they better not change the lines because it "contradicts fan interpretations" -- a lot of lines in the original could be taken to be very Clerithy.) Honestly, we should make a whole list of questions to barrage Nomura or Nojima with. Not that they'll give any straightforward answers, but nevertheless...

I believe the, The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think? quote is found in this trailer.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=55JM_LiXUEI

They translated the line as, "It's okay to die--" Do you believe that?

If memory serves me right, I do have a pretty clear recollection of that line appearing quite often in translations of the old trailers or bits of the movie/scrip that were leaked out. It caused quite the uproar in the LTD and I recall the quotes suddenly vanishing from sight. The statement by Nomura claiming that too many fan interpretations were being contradicted is familiar as well.

There was a snippet in an article that stated something along the lines of, "...Aerith is the one in Cloud's heart and Tifa seems to understand this. It appears to be that kind of a relationship."

When Tifa said, "Which is it? A memory or us?" I thought she was talking about SEPHIROTH?!?! O_o Because, in the Japanese version she says:

私たち　思い‎出に負けたの？
Watashi tachi omoide ni maketa no?
Did we lose to a memory?

Am I crazy? I don't think Tifa's so mean as to try and make Cloud choose... or so mean as to refer to Aeris as just a "memory." >.>;; And in the end Cloud does tell him to stay in his memories, and Sephiroth's like "I'll never be just a memory" or whatever.

... *confused*

I'm not that great at inferring stuff, but I really don't think Tifa was talking about Aeris...? Maybe it's not Sephiroth (?) but I definitely don't think it was Aeris...

But, if she was just talking about Sephiroth or whatever/whoever, I don't get why it was translated to "Which is it, a memory or us?" because there's no context clues to let you know exactly what she means...

zzz.

Ahh... someone help me?

*goes to sleep*

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Oh, I wanted to say... also... that:

I love that!! That would have been too awesome if it was in the movie.

Right after Tifa said, "Which is it, a memory, or us?" Cloud automatically thinks of Aerith ("But, I let you die"). So, it cannot be about Sephiroth. And, it isn't specifically Aerith the person. Rather, it is the memory of failing to protect Aerith that haunts Cloud. The "memory" Tifa is referring to, IMO, is Cloud's memory of his failing to protect someone precious to him. And that memory causes him to fear that he will not be able to protect anyone ever again. Basically, Tifa is asking him to stop feeling regret over his failure ("a memory") and help those who need him now (the children- "us"). That's what I think anyways. :P

Yeah, I thought about that too like... why would he just think about Aeris after she said it, if it was about anyone/anything else?

But actually what you said does make sense, I suppose! Like, is he going to let his guilt from the past beat him down and prevent him from helping those there still is time left to help?

I didn't think of it that way, that sounds much better~

(Told you I'm bad at inferring!!)

It's still confusing but... that's okay.