Title: Here's A Question...
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MistaCloudStrife - November 7, 2007 12:37 AM (GMT)
I was thinking... in Final Fantasy VII, Sephiroth and Jenova's goal was to damage the planet and have the lifestream come to heal the injury; and at that time Sephiroth would be there to absorb all of the energy and become a God or whatever.
But in MotP wasn't he basically already in the lifestream in some sort of dark energy bubble or something? He was already in the planet where ALL of the energy is stored.
Couldn't he just have absorbed all of the energy there and be done with it?
Is there some sort of explanation to this or would this be another plot hole. Or maybe Sephiroth/Jenova is just that stupid?
Tifa Lockheart - November 7, 2007 07:33 AM (GMT)
It was Sephiroth AND JENOVA's goal? I thought it was only Sephiroth's :unsure:
From what I can remember, when the Lifestream exposed itself during Meteor, Sephiroth was able to "contaminate" it with JENOVA cells (is that it? O_o')
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| Couldn't he just have absorbed all of the energy there and be done with it? |
I guess it just shows that he isn't really strong enough as we have perceived him to be. :unsure:
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| Is there some sort of explanation to this or would this be another plot hole. Or maybe Sephiroth/Jenova is just that stupid? |
It could be another plot hole. I think Sephiroth is the only one is responsible for everything and that JENOVA has nothing to do with his schemes (like, he's just using her since he's still nuts enough to think that it's his mother <_<).
...Or I'm missing something again. :cry:
MistaCloudStrife - November 7, 2007 09:23 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tifa Lockheart @ Nov 7 2007, 07:33 AM) |
It was Sephiroth AND JENOVA's goal? I thought it was only Sephiroth's :unsure:
From what I can remember, when the Lifestream exposed itself during Meteor, Sephiroth was able to "contaminate" it with JENOVA cells (is that it? O_o')
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Well when Jenova was explained in the game it was said that it/s/he would go planet to planet taking all of the energy from them and going onto the next. And later Sephiroth said that he would travel the universe doing exactly what Jenova did. You could say that Jenova is acting through Sephiroth since he's basically doing exactly what Jenova would do. And you know, if there was no Jenova, there would be no Sephiroth... or at least not the Sephiroth we know.
Lynn - November 7, 2007 09:29 AM (GMT)
Maybe it has to do with the intense energy that would've been directed towards repairing the wound? Seph in the Lifestream is, like, floating about in a calm sea and the Lifestream has a sort of "massive"/water look to it. I guess it's kinda like when Cloud and Tifa fell into the Lifestream: they were still in a solid, human state, not the spirit state that Aerith was in.
But when the Planet directs it towards a wound, the Lifestream would have to change form, and I reckon there's some mass-energy conversion going on there (plus the likely destruction of Seph's own mortal frame) that Sephiroth planned to take advantage of.
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| Or maybe Sephiroth/Jenova is just that stupid? |
But this is the more likely answer. :razz:
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| It was Sephiroth AND JENOVA's goal? I thought it was only Sephiroth's |
Yeah, it was mainly Seph's will pushing them along, and Jenova was the puppet. He's continuing her "function" by wanting to use Gaia as a vessel to travel to other worlds, yeah, but as for Jenova herself-- It looks like she's a barely conscious/sentient being at this point, but is mainly functioning on survival instinct by repeatedly trying to revive itself.
Tifa Lockheart - November 8, 2007 09:24 AM (GMT)
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| Well when Jenova was explained in the game it was said that it/s/he would go planet to planet taking all of the energy from them and going onto the next. |
And that's the reason why she fell from the skies?
Maybe she needed someone to "manipulate" and Sephiroth is the unlucky one to respond to her needs.
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| Yeah, it was mainly Seph's will pushing them along, and Jenova was the puppet. He's continuing her "function" by wanting to use Gaia as a vessel to travel to other worlds, yeah, but as for Jenova herself-- It looks like she's a barely conscious/sentient being at this point, but is mainly functioning on survival instinct by repeatedly trying to revive itself. |
But is Jenova still alive in that kind of state that we are more familiar of? She does not seem to be moving anymore in the game, too. :unsure: Then in Advent Children, it's just her head remaining...
By the way, at the end of AC, is she still present or her entire being already disintegrated?
MistaCloudStrife - November 8, 2007 10:35 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tifa Lockheart @ Nov 8 2007, 09:24 AM) |
And that's the reason why she fell from the skies?
Maybe she needed someone to "manipulate" and Sephiroth is the unlucky one to respond to her needs. |
Well if my information is correct when she fell she took the form of a human/Cetra and blended in with the others. She also killed off a great deal of the Ancients and turned them into monsters(reason why Aeris was the sole survivor after a while) until they were able to seal it/her in the Norther Crater. She was like a parasite of sorts so any living being she manages to get into is a candidate for her to use.
And Sephiroth, having Jenova cells in his body since (before) birth was probably affected in the worst ways compared to others that received her cells after becoming adults.
Tifa Lockheart - November 9, 2007 09:07 AM (GMT)
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Sephiroth, having Jenova cells in his body since (before) birth was probably affected in the worst ways compared to others that received her cells after becoming adults.
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Oh so I guess that can explain his behavior. Having her cells in his system must have caused him to act and think like how he already did.
...I'm still comparing and searching for information from different fan and general information sites where I can find anything about Sephiroth. (i.e. wikipedia, etc.)
It does seem like a plot hole that he didn't just absorb everything in the first place (basing from your first post)... like he forgot or he had a moment that goes like "Oooh. Why didn't I think about that?!"... or Sephiroth isn't really strong enough <_<'
~ Sophie - November 9, 2007 10:06 AM (GMT)
The way I see it, although Sephy was immersed in the lifestream's power and controlling Jenova...he just wanted it all. Though North Crater was still being healed and watched by the planet, the vast majority of the lifestream was going to other uses. Dropping Meteor on the planet would basically make the planet use all its power to save itself, and Sephiroth would reap the dividend. And at the same time, Aerith's Holy needed to be stopped. Apparently, he couldn't absorb that, but he could block it for long enough.
Of course, this plan was stupid, insane, and inefficient, but hey, no one said Sephy made sense. Then, the puppet master got his just dessert postgame. With his new body destroyed and his soul in tatters (Maiden!), a still "living" Jenova took control of Sephiroth, leading to the events of AC. Hence the change from wanting to be a god over the planet to wanting to be "the disaster from the skies."
Of course, this is just my perspective on it.