Remember in AC when Tifa gave Cloud an ultimatium what did she mean by "us"?

"Which is it a memory or us?" To me it sounds like she's asking which one do you want Aerith or me. Aerith is dead and gone be with me I love you. But she could mean Aerith or our family (Denzel, Marlene, and Barret.) What do you think she meant?

I think she was forcing Cloud to choose between Aeris and her (as well as the family), although I don't think Cloud really cared at the time. He was too busy trying to gain forgiveness from Aeris for his "sin".

Us is the family but I don't think the memory is Aerith as more in reference to her death. While I do get the feeling she is a little jealous I don't think she is cruel enough to say to Cloud that he must choose between Aerith and the family though.

I think "us" refers to Tifa, the kids, and the rest of the "family" of AVALANCHE, who are trying so hard to reach Cloud and the ones who need him the most (the kids, who need to be rescued).

However, I don't think that Tifa is referring to Aerith as a "memory". That would be very cold of her. Rather I think she is referring to Cloud's memory of his past failures and his regrets.

I think it refers to more Sephiroth than Aerith. Sephiroth is the one portrayed more as "a memory" in AC. Especially when he says he "won't be just a memory".

AC isn't about the LTD. It's about Cloud getting over his guilt and his past all over again. And I'm sure Tifa is more mature than to be angsty over Cloud thinking of Aerith, especially after a few years. :mellow: If she is referring to Aerith, then she must have some kind of reason for feeling so insecure about it.

Interesting pov. So it's like are you going to live in the past thinking about your mistakes or the present with people who care about you?

FFG:

I think so too.
Considering Cloud's "but I let you die" response in that scene, I think "a memory" is referring to the act of having failed to save Aerith. I don't think Tifa was referring to any one person but an event.

IMO, "us" is referring to all the people who are important to Cloud and in need of his help.

I probably should have worded it a bit differently since I was in a hurry. I didn't mean Tifa was being mean to Aeris, but she is trying to get Cloud to rescue the children so maybe she wanted to get him to pay attention since the "AVALANCHE family" needs him and Aeris didn't need him to earn her forgiveness since he was not blamed thus she was probably saying "Aeris never blamed you, but the kids need you now."

I think the "memory" pertains to Sephiroth. The memory of Sephiroth seemed to have been plaguing Cloud, too, aside from the guilt he feels about Aerith's death.

As for the "us", I think it should be taken collectively like it's not just Tifa, but it also includes Denzel, Marlene, Barret, etc.--the whole family.

Brrr. The scriptwriter/s should not be vague. Now there are a lot of questions raised about the matter. <_<' But oh well. The more money Square-Enix rakes in for it, I guess the better it is for them. :rolleyes:

I don't think Tifa would be so callous to refer to Aerith, who Tifa obviously knew was a very important person to Cloud, as a "memory".

Cloud felt guilty because he believed he let Aerith die, so I think when Tifa said a "memory" she was referring to the thing holding Cloud back, which was his supposed guilty memory - the act of letting Aerith die.

Tifa asked Cloud this after the children had been kidnapped, so I assume she meant "us" to be the people who needed him now - Marlene, Denzel, herself, and the rest of AVALANCHE. They needed him to get off his emo ass and go search for the kids, something he was reluctant to do once he heard they were taken to the Forgotten City, a place he associates with Aerith's death.

And I also wouldn't call Tifa's "a memory or us" talk an ultimatum. She just didn't see why Cloud needed to feel guilty over something that wasn't his fault, two years after it happened. There was no reason why he couldn't help people who needed him because of it.

I think that Tifa was refering to the family ( Denzel, Marlene and her) when she tell Cloud to choose:

Cloud, a memory or us..
And yes , i personaly think that the memory she was refering was Aeris, because if you have the extended version of the movie, if you see the cutscene, after Tifa says this she ads:

I finally tell you...

for me, with this she means that all this years she had been thinking about it and now she finaly have the strenght to tell Cloud what she was thinking...

it is cruel, maybe because of this square didnt put it in he movie at the end and the removes the scene...

what do you think?