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Title: Support Your Favorite Misunderstood Character!


Rinchan - October 19, 2007 04:21 AM (GMT)
Ok, so we all have those characters that we like/love but the entire rest of the fandom hates. So list your favorite hated character(s), explain why they are hated, and defend them against these reasons. Also point out why you think they're not so bad/awesome.

And please, no bashing in this thread. Characters can come from Anime, Manga, TV shows, books, video games, movies, and any other literary source. :gift:


MistaCloudStrife - October 19, 2007 07:52 AM (GMT)
Theodore Bagwell AKA T-Bag from Prison Break.

No, I don't really like his character, but I love Robert Knepper. I like actors that can really play their part well even if it's a bad guy. The subtle crazy tendencies he acts out are really good.

As for his character character. I think he's alright(After I got past all the guy raping stuff.. o.O). He's a total maniac, but still decently intelligent. He knows when to play his cards. I think he's worthy as a bad guy in Prison Break.

Zelda - October 19, 2007 07:46 PM (GMT)
I'll start with Anthy from Shoujo Kakumei Utena. She's quite possibly the most fascinating character to come out of shoujo anime, but everyone wants to hate on her. Granted, she does some seriously screwed up stuff, but when you compare her to the despicable human being Akio is and how large his fanbase is just because he's ZOMGHAWT, Anthy's treatment is quite unfair.

The manga makes her more sympathetic, but I love her in the anime as well. In her position, what would anyone else do? She gave her life for the person she loved and became a living doll for him. Anthy is pretty much any woman who's been stuck in an abusive relationship - all she has to do in the end is walk away, but she can't find a reason. Being abused has become a normality. Sex is a game of power. And yet even as submissive as she makes herself, she rebels in her own quiet ways throughout the series. Against Akio, against everyone who wrongs her. Bitterness is all she has left until Utena walks into her life and even then it's not Utena who saves her - all she did was show Anthy the way out. It was still up to Anthy to take it and in the end, she does. It's Anthy who makes her own revolution.

The second is Kikyou. She's an all around amazing character, but all anyone cares about is her "getting in the way" of Kagome/Inuyasha. (if anything, Kagome's the one in the way.) Kikyou's a strong independent female character, something people complain about wanting to see more of, but then bitch because she's a strong independent female. I can perfectly understand her bitterness towards Kagome, while it doesn't excuse her behavior. But think about it: if Kikyou truly wanted to kill Kagome, she has plenty of chances. She usually only attempts to hurt Kagome as revenge (at first) or to prove a point to Inuyasha. In the end, Kikyou knows that Kagome is important to Inuyasha and helps her (in her own weird way).

Also, Kikyou's hilarious. She doesn't mean to be but she is. Naraku's [puppet is] all "BLAH BLAH EBIL SCHEME" and Kikyou just chops his head off in one swoop of her hand. It's 10x funnier when you realize not 5 episodes before Miroku and Inuyahsa were struggling to fight the demon puppet and getting their asses kicked. Kikyou ownz Naraku, fo sho. Her pimp hand is too strong.

nyrin - October 19, 2007 09:44 PM (GMT)
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The second is Kikyou. She's an all around amazing character, but all anyone cares about is her "getting in the way" of Kagome/Inuyasha. (if anything, Kagome's the one in the way.) Kikyou's a strong independent female character, something people complain about wanting to see more of, but then bitch because she's a strong independent female. I can perfectly understand her bitterness towards Kagome, while it doesn't excuse her behavior. But think about it: if Kikyou truly wanted to kill Kagome, she has plenty of chances. She usually only attempts to hurt Kagome as revenge (at first) or to prove a point to Inuyasha. In the end, Kikyou knows that Kagome is important to Inuyasha and helps her (in her own weird way).

Also, Kikyou's hilarious. She doesn't mean to be but she is. Naraku's [puppet is] all "BLAH BLAH EBIL SCHEME" and Kikyou just chops his head off in one swoop of her hand. It's 10x funnier when you realize not 5 episodes before Miroku and Inuyahsa were struggling to fight the demon puppet and getting their asses kicked. Kikyou ownz Naraku, fo sho. Her pimp hand is too strong.


Zelda, THANK YOU. Ugh I'm so pissed at everyone bashing Kikyo. I mean shit, after everything that happened to her, how can you expect her not to be bitter? And then after finding out that Inuyasha never betrayed her, why wouldn't she try to give it another go (in her own slightly twisted way which again, isn't really her fault. I mean you guys try being killed by the man you love (or so you think) and then being risen again against your will only to find that your soul's already gone into some annoying little girl). But ya, she kicks ass, so much less annoying than Kagome and most of the insults against her are just unwarranted.

My misunderstood character is Flay Alster from Gundam Seed. So the low-down on the character - she's the pretty girl that the main character, Kira has a crush on and also the daughter of the Earth Alliance's prime Minister. She's lived a pretty normal life - I mean picture any upper class teenager living in North America, whose only problems are 'which store do I shop at today' and 'my stupid friends won't stop blabbing about my crush!'. Typical teenage girl fair pretty much. But then she's thrown into a war situation where she could die at any second. And then her father, her only family, dies horribly right before her eyes - and it's hinted that the one guy who could have protected him might not have fought his hardest.

Okay, so what Flay is bashed for is what comes next. She manipulates Kira into gaining an almost self-destructive need to kill to protect the ship. She does this by playing on his weaknesses and making him emotionally dependent on her (even going so far as to break up with Sai and having sex with Kira) so that he will go at any lengths to fight to protect the Archangel, which she is on.

I don't condone these actions at all, but I think what people have to understand is she's not just some random evil bitch. At the beginning of the show she would have never done this. Her extreme actions are solely in response to the immense fear she feels at being on a battleship that can be shot down and destroyed at anytime. This fear is only made worse at the fact that she's never been in a war situation before, hell, she's completely ignorant to REAL world issues like most 14-15 year olds are. On top of that, the pain at losing her father only increased her fear and caused her to spiral out of control.

Flay became a full on crazy bitch, but I can understand why she became a full on crazy bitch and so I can't just mindlessly bash her like some people do. On top of that, at the end of the show, she fully understood and repented for her misdeeds, explaining to Kira just why she acted the way she did and promising to protect him with her true feelings. Isn't that enough people? Or must we damn her for eternity? Geez.

Anti-R - October 19, 2007 10:08 PM (GMT)
Kairi from Kingdom Hearts.

God, cannot understand the fandom's hate towards to her. All she ever did was that she's a very good friend of Sora and Riku who wanted to go adventuring with. Not her fault the two of them were fighting over her.

Aiding Sora with her heart throughout the game, restoring his body and staying put when Sora asked her nicely, I cannot imagine her falling in the category of damsel in distress people claimed her to be.

The fact she broke out of prison with her Nobody when she had a chance instead of waiting around for Sora shows that well, at least she has a backbone.

I will be upset if Kairi goes ZOMG! Action Girl! by KH3. I kind of like her as a non-combatant who cheers for her friends from the sidelines. Believing in their strength and unafraid.

Coral - October 19, 2007 10:31 PM (GMT)
I'd say...Kotori Monou from X/1999 by Clamp.

Fans do hate her a lot! In the original manga I like her very much: she's beautiful, sweet, fragile, modest and can see the future in her dreams...moreover she's in love with the main character, Kamui...

Spoiler: She's almost perfect
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and it emphasizes the tragedy of her death...(in front of an useless Kamui!)


She looks like Aerith in many ways and maybe Kotori is hated for the same reasons...

Here is a picture of her:
Kotori which means "little bird" (lilies like Aerith!)

Pyra Kurai Akaidra - October 20, 2007 01:25 AM (GMT)
I understand what you mean about Kairi, Anti-R. I don't mind her, but some of the hate is really unnecessary.

Sakura Haruno from Naruto.

Seriously, aside from Sasuke, Sakura have a VERY split fandom. One half appreciates her (like me) and the other considered her as an 'annoying, whiny, weak, etc, etc, etc, b*tch'.

She may be annoying in the beginning, being fangirly about Sasuke. However, during the series, instead of staying as she is, Sakura matures and gotten to know both Sasuke and Naruto, as well as making an effort to be strong. Heck, I say that she's one of the most developed characters in Naruto!

This comes from a fan who sees a good character that can be poorly portrayed in fanfiction.

Rinchan - October 20, 2007 04:12 AM (GMT)
Tohru from Fruits Basket.

I don't understand how anyone can hate this girl. Oh wait, that's right, she get's in the way of that hawt! YukixKyo relationship. But seriously, she is one of the only characters in the story that had a rough past and doesn't brood over it through the entire series. She always remains optimistic in spite of everything and even helps anyone that she comes across when, in some cases, it would kind of make sense if that were the other way around.

She is also confused of being a Mary sue, but I don't think this is the case. A Mary sue is a perfect character and Tohru is no where near perfect. If that were the case, she would be the most advanced martial arts fighter in the series, be a genius (which she is not at all), have very large boobz, and she wouldn't be as naive as she is sometimes.


Zelda - October 20, 2007 08:58 AM (GMT)
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She may be annoying in the beginning, being fangirly about Sasuke


The funny thing is, most people who hate her for this are Sasuke fangirls. XD

@nyrin: Another Kikyou fan! Yeah, I don't get why people harp on her for being bitter. It's character development. When she was alive, she was still kind of cold, but was a lot more open. Experiences change a person, and you don't get killed by the person you love and then just walk it off. That stays with you, and heck even after the truth is found out I don't blame her for just being all "oh well, I'm over now!"

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Mary sue is a perfect character and Tohru is no where near perfect.


**SPOILERS FOR THE MANGA**

Also, Tohru is human. Despite her optimism, I like how they showed Akito's mind f*ck of her really starts to wear her down, how the circumstances of her mothers death add dimesion to her character and make her more sympathetic.

DivineRose - October 20, 2007 09:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Anti-R @ Oct 19 2007, 04:08 PM)
Kairi from Kingdom Hearts.

God, cannot understand the fandom's hate towards to her. All she ever did was that she's a very good friend of Sora and Riku who wanted to go adventuring with. Not her fault the two of them were fighting over her.

Aiding Sora with her heart throughout the game, restoring his body and staying put when Sora asked her nicely, I cannot imagine her falling in the category of damsel in distress people claimed her to be.

The fact she broke out of prison with her Nobody when she had a chance instead of waiting around for Sora shows that well, at least she has a backbone.

I will be upset if Kairi goes ZOMG! Action Girl! by KH3. I kind of like her as a non-combatant who cheers for her friends from the sidelines. Believing in their strength and unafraid.

I totally agree. Kairi isn't a damsel in distress; it's not her fault she was out of comission for the first three quarters of Kingdom Hearts.

And, she did attempt to fight in KH2, so :P to her haters.

I also agree with the Sakura comments. She does mature. I thought her turning point was when she
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cuts her hair in that one fight during the Chunin (gah, spelling) exams.
I'm not sure if that really counts as a spoiler, but whatever.

Ke-Ke - October 21, 2007 03:44 AM (GMT)
Cheza from Wolf's Rain.

When you first look at her, you get the feeling she's a strange character. With completely red, blind eyes, pink hair, and a tendency to refer to her in third person, I can see how people can, at first, be freaked out by her. But it's her personality people seem to have a problem with - or, more accurately, her lack of one, they say.

First of all, Cheza is a very innocent character, and I don't understand why this makes her an object of hate. She lived in a glass bubble for much of her life, and lived without a purpose, as the wolves had yet to come to her. She doesn't know what society is like, and thus can't adopt social norms in her personality. Also, people seem to hate her because she is weak. I wonder why that is so wrong, as she wasn't created for her strength! Besides, it would destroy her image of a flower maiden if she went around drop-kicking every enemy she and the pack came across. :lol: And don't forget the wolves would have been bug food had it not been for her.

Gah, I love her, but none of that probably made any sense. *sigh* Tommorow or so I'll defend Leara.

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Edit: Woah, just realized I signed into my old account, the one I thought had been deleted. O_o. Still KeKe here. Better go fix that. XD

Wintercream - November 17, 2007 02:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Zelda @ Oct 19 2007, 07:46 PM)


The second is Kikyou. She's an all around amazing character, but all anyone cares about is her "getting in the way" of Kagome/Inuyasha. (if anything, Kagome's the one in the way.) Kikyou's a strong independent female character, something people complain about wanting to see more of, but then bitch because she's a strong independent female. I can perfectly understand her bitterness towards Kagome, while it doesn't excuse her behavior. But think about it: if Kikyou truly wanted to kill Kagome, she has plenty of chances. She usually only attempts to hurt Kagome as revenge (at first) or to prove a point to Inuyasha. In the end, Kikyou knows that Kagome is important to Inuyasha and helps her (in her own weird way).

-High Fives Zelda.-
That was the first Charactor that came into my mind when i first saw this thread. Funny, huh? :P Apparently people seem to have a problem with women who are independent and can take care of themselves. You know the ones who actually fight instead of melting all over the main male hero in the anime? Yep, that one. xD

My second charactor will have to be Misa Aname from Death Note, I hate how alot of people hate her becuase she is so in love with Light and say that she is annoying. Personally I don't see her annoying at all. She is a successful Model/Actress and is perfectly capable of taking care of herself. I also admire how she has strong feelings for Light/Kira. I mean he was the one that brought justice apon the man that killed her family. Anyone would be grateful for that.

>_>

Or maybe that is just me.

My third charactor is Ino Yamanaka from Naruto. No Shikamari/Temari or Sasuke/Sakura fan like her becuase she is a threat to both. She is loud and expresses her feelings freely and if she wants somthing she strides for it with devotion. People say she is a bitch becuase she is smart and independent.
And I got all that from finding a picture on Deviant art titled, "Konoha Girls Speak out." I decided I might as well put what it said up here becuase it is exactly how I feel.
Oh and, Pyra Kurai Akaidra, would you like the link to it? It makes a few good comments about Anti-Sakura fans too.


And now I am done xDD

Pyra Kurai Akaidra - November 17, 2007 09:56 PM (GMT)
Sure, Wintercream. I would like the link, please.

I'm with you on Misa Amane, sure she can be annoying but she is smart and it's normal to be grateful when the man who murdered her family was brought to justice and all. I find her more amusing then annoying.

QUOTE (Wintercream)
My third charactor is Ino Yamanaka from Naruto. No Shikamari/Temari or Sasuke/Sakura fan like her becuase she is a threat to both. She is loud and expresses her feelings freely and if she wants somthing she strides for it with devotion. People say she is a bitch becuase she is smart and independent.


I find that a little amusing, but then again, I like both ShikaIno and ShikaTema, and I know SasuSaku have more moments then SasuIno.

You know the biggest irony about Anti-Sakura people? Some of them began to like her after Chapter 347, seeing her as a fellow 'fan'. :lmao:

nyrin - November 18, 2007 02:15 AM (GMT)
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You know the biggest irony about Anti-Sakura people? Some of them began to like her after Chapter 347, seeing her as a fellow 'fan'.


Lol maybe that's why Kishimoto wrote that chapter?

...


... nah it was for the fanservice. Holy crap that's gonna be hilarious when it's animated!

Wintercream - November 18, 2007 03:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pyra Kurai Akaidra @ Nov 17 2007, 09:56 PM)
Sure, Wintercream. I would like the link, please.

I'm with you on Misa Amane, sure she can be annoying but she is smart and it's normal to be grateful when the man who murdered her family was brought to justice and all. I find her more amusing then annoying.


I find that a little amusing, but then again, I like both ShikaIno and ShikaTema, and I know SasuSaku have more moments then SasuIno.

You know the biggest irony about Anti-Sakura people? Some of them began to like her after Chapter 347, seeing her as a fellow 'fan'. :lmao:

-Hugs Pyra Kurai Akaidra.-
Thank you finally someone who understands Misa besides me. xD

And here is the link -> here
It makes me feel kinda bad for TenTen, poor soul, not even an Anti-Club. xD

I am actually a fan of ChoujiIno rather than SasuIno, becuase well SasuSaku is love.
^_^

Oh and the funny thing about Anti-Sakura fans is that they complain she is a whiney bitch, when in reality she is just trying to make well for herself after the loss of Sasuke.
I laugh at how some of them say that she tries to go after Naruto becuase she lost Sasuke. :lmao:

Pyra Kurai Akaidra - November 20, 2007 06:54 AM (GMT)
Let's see...*pull out a slip of paper from a hat*

Davis and Jun Motomiya from Digimon 02.

The hate for these two have lessen (I hope), but back in the early 2000s, where Digimon only have two seasons and Tamers was in development, the bashing for these two siblings from the English fans are great.

Davis, because he's 'annoying' (when he's actually hilarious) and get in the way of Takari love, which is funny, since Kari doesn't show that much interest and yet, people think he's a threat to them. But we should remember that Davis is one of the main characters and is very important, particularly when dealing with Ken.

Jun's hated because she make Matt fangirls feel threatened, since she makes obvious moves on him. But I find their conversations funny, seeing Matt continually being defeated by her before he get one small victory with the summer camp convo. :lmao:

But I have to give Jun credits, for giving up on Matt in the end and get a crush on Jim, Joe's brother. :lol:

Zydalia - December 1, 2007 03:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wintercream @ Nov 17 2007, 02:32 AM)



My second charactor will have to be Misa Amane from Death Note, I hate how alot of people hate her becuase she is so in love with Light and say that she is annoying. Personally I don't see her annoying at all. She is a successful Model/Actress and is perfectly capable of taking care of herself. I also admire how she has strong feelings for Light/Kira. I mean he was the one that brought justice apon the man that killed her family. Anyone would be grateful for that.


I totally agree!
I hate how people say she's stupid too. Although she may not be a super genius like Light and L, you have to admit, Misa is more intelligent than the average human.

She was smart enough to wear a disguise when she went to go meet Kira. She was also smart enough to put together those cryptic clues to lure Kira to her.

Enough with the Misa Misa hate D:

Sefie - December 1, 2007 05:57 AM (GMT)
Dude, I don't understand all the Selphie hate. She's bright, cheery, and hilarious! She's one of the funniest, happiest characters ever! And I think her hair style's really cute too

Wintercream - December 10, 2007 08:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Zydalia @ Dec 1 2007, 03:08 AM)
QUOTE (Wintercream @ Nov 17 2007, 02:32 AM)



My second charactor will have to be Misa Amane from Death Note, I hate how alot of people hate her becuase she is so in love with Light and say that she is annoying. Personally I don't see her annoying at all. She is a successful Model/Actress and is perfectly capable of taking care of herself. I also admire how she has strong feelings for Light/Kira. I mean he was the one that brought justice apon the man that killed her family. Anyone would be grateful for that.


I totally agree!
I hate how people say she's stupid too. Although she may not be a super genius like Light and L, you have to admit, Misa is more intelligent than the average human.

She was smart enough to wear a disguise when she went to go meet Kira. She was also smart enough to put together those cryptic clues to lure Kira to her.

Enough with the Misa Misa hate D:

I know, I mean think about it.
She was able to track Kira down by herself.
L and the NPA needed a whole task force and they find him by the end of the manga.
DDx

Alantie - December 10, 2007 09:35 PM (GMT)
Ah! I can't believe I haven't stuck my head into this thread until now! Shame on me!!

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Davis, because he's 'annoying' (when he's actually hilarious) and get in the way of Takari love, which is funny, since Kari doesn't show that much interest and yet, people think he's a threat to them. But we should remember that Davis is one of the main characters and is very important, particularly when dealing with Ken.


Really? Wow, I've actually seen tons of Davis love. :blink:

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Kairi from Kingdom Hearts.

God, cannot understand the fandom's hate towards to her. All she ever did was that she's a very good friend of Sora and Riku who wanted to go adventuring with. Not her fault the two of them were fighting over her.

Aiding Sora with her heart throughout the game, restoring his body and staying put when Sora asked her nicely, I cannot imagine her falling in the category of damsel in distress people claimed her to be.

The fact she broke out of prison with her Nobody when she had a chance instead of waiting around for Sora shows that well, at least she has a backbone.

I will be upset if Kairi goes ZOMG! Action Girl! by KH3. I kind of like her as a non-combatant who cheers for her friends from the sidelines. Believing in their strength and unafraid.


Guh, you are SO right, Anti-R. I really do not understand the hate the fandom has towards her. Personally I think it's because she gets in the way of SoraxRiku yaoi love. *shudder* But honestly, the girl is amazing. So she gets stuck in the sidelines for a lot of the game, but that isn't really her fault. And I think Kairi's strength comes a lot from her heart and a more spiritual aspect than the whole kick booty type. I really am hoping too that she doesn't become warrior chick in KH3 either. I like seeing her involved, but not in that fashion.

But lets see, my pick for today's misunderstood character would have to be Edmund Pevensie. I cannot believe the amount of hate I've found toward him, mostly since the movie LWW came out. Most of this hate comes from fans who have only seen the movies, and have not read the books. LWW was not one of Edmund's shining moments, but he cannot be completely blamed for his actions. He did not know the Witch was an enemy until it was too late, and by then he was under an enchantmend. But he starts to redeem himself and realizes that he was wrong. He is not the spoiled bullying brat that people make him out to be. He changes, and becomes mature and awesome, and a heck of a warrior in HHB. He's intelligent, and is protective of his family. How can you hate him?!

Pyra Kurai Akaidra - April 16, 2008 11:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Alantie @ Dec 10 2007, 09:35 PM)
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Davis, because he's 'annoying' (when he's actually hilarious) and get in the way of Takari love, which is funny, since Kari doesn't show that much interest and yet, people think he's a threat to them. But we should remember that Davis is one of the main characters and is very important, particularly when dealing with Ken.


Really? Wow, I've actually seen tons of Davis love. :blink:

That's way, way, way, way back when the dub for 02 was being aired, you'll have to dig real deep for those old Davis-bashing fanfictions around that time. Fortunately, they're old and the bashing was not as obvious nowadays.

QUOTE (Wintercream)
I know, I mean think about it.
She was able to track Kira down by herself.
L and the NPA needed a whole task force and they find him by the end of the manga.
DDx

And how much time does it take for her to do that compare to the NPA? Weeks or less, perhaps for her, compare to years for the NPA, when Light graduated and join the force?

Damaged - April 17, 2008 12:01 AM (GMT)
Wow, I agree with a lot of you guys.

Zelda about Kikiyou. She has every right to be bitter. She was killed by the man "she loved" and turns out, it wasn't even him, it was Naraku disquised as Inuyasha. She wasn't getting in the way of KagomexInuyasha. For a fact, Kikiyou was there first and she was the first one to fall in love with Inuyasha for who he was. She wasn't afraid of him for being a demon, sure, she was a little skeptic at first, but she actualy had her reasons. But then she fell in love with him, and I found it cute.

Anti-R for Kairi. Well, one, I think she's just cute. Out of all the girls in the KH series, I think she was the one that showed the MOST backbone. She managed to escape from prison (hehe... Nobody jail bait!), but mind you, with the help of her own Nobody. She's not weak. She even said that she was going to fight to. She didn't want to sit on the sidelines and wait for her friends to come back home. She went into TWTNW and found them herself. Shoot, she was the first one to realize that Riku... was Riku. She's smart I say.

PKA with Sakura. She matured the most in the series (next to Hinata in my view). Sure, I didn't like her at first, but that was mainly because she was all over Sasuke (whom I can't stand), but she matured after he went away. She grew up in her own way. She managed to live with what style of living she chose. A lot of people her age would go back and forth from one thing to another.

Rinchan with Tohru. She is only human, she wasn't part of the zodiac like the others were. She managed to live on her own for how long without her mother? And in a tent no less in the middle of the woods. I think she did great on her own. Her a mary-sue?! Heck no! She was no where near perfect as Zelda stated. I thought she was amazing for how much Akito messed with her head. She stayed strong, no matter how much she wanted to give up.

For me, it would be Aerith. People call her a whore, she is nothing like that. Aerith is one of the most defined character in the Final Fantasy series (IMO). I've heard people call her other things, but let's not get into that. I've heard so many lies about her, and I've disproved them all, and they still bash her. I bet if they put Aerith beside Tifa, Aerith would win. As someones quoted signature is "Aerith could melt Loz and Tifa couldn't even scratch him" (not the exact quote, but you get the point).

Kusari Yarou - April 20, 2008 09:12 AM (GMT)
I think Misa's feelings for Light are more of an indication of her being psychologically warped than anything. I certainly don't ship them as a couple because I find their 'relationship' disturbing but that, I think, is the point. We're talking about a serial killer and a blind follower after all.

Yeah, Edmund was a jerk in LWW, but you know, he's ten. Plus at the end of the book, he willingly gets near-mauled by three ogres and y'know, saves half the army's arses? That's an incredible thing for a previously selfish schoolboy to have done!
Sigh...sometimes even those who claim to like him seem to have no grasp of his character when they write their oh-so-emo fics. They turn him all hero-worshipping idiotically sentimental whilst making him dwell obsessively on the glories of William Peter, and darnit, but that's SO not like him! Give my boy some dignity!

M'kay, my misunderstood character's also from Narnia: Eustace Clarence Scrubb. Yes he is annoying in Dawn Treader...he's supposed to be, that's what he got pulled into Narnia for! So he could change. I'm just sorry that some fans can't see what a fun character he is- he's moody, tactless, combative...he can snark about things without any moralizing rebuke from either the characters or the author himself- he is the Chronicles' deviant character in so many ways, but he still has his heart in the right place.

And SRSLY, even if you don't find his prickly character traits endearing, don't even try to tell me he's a coward! It takes serious guts to rush at a Sea Creature/Serpent/Calormene especially if you're a skinny, untrained schoolboy. I mean, sure it's brave of Peter to challenge Miraz to combat without second thought for his own welfare. It's brave of Ed to coolly draw a sword and challenge a complete stranger. But these two are experienced kings- they are just that heroic because it comes naturally to them. Terrified, inexperienced Eustace begged to be allowed to fight to the death, even when King Tirian tried to give him a way out of it...I think that takes a hell lot of courage. I've read some ridiculous things like “Eustace is a coward because he admits he's afraid”- let me just paraphrase Neil Gaiman: “If you're scared of what you have to do, but you do it anyway, that is bravery”.

Also, I've seen some complain about Eustace being "bitchy" in Last Battle. Well what would YOU feel if your dream country's gone to hell and your side is being betrayed left and right, and you and your best friend are headed towards almost-certain death? :whistle:

Last and most trivial.."He has a ridiculous name"(Yes I've seen some fanbrat acting all smug about that) Durrr, girl, just know that it's catharsis from the poor guy who was named Clive Staples. XD

Inuyatta - April 20, 2008 09:17 PM (GMT)
Hm...this subject is coming up a lot lately. One character I see get bashed to no end for no good reason is Orihime Inoue from Bleach. I'm not full on into the Bleach fandom or anything, but I'm pretty sure that people just hate her because she gets in the way of some more popular ship.

Really, the things said about this girl: she's weak, she's useless, she's stupid, she's worthless to the plot, just a damsel in distress.

Blatant lies--I'd like to see some regular 15-16 year old girl go through what she has and come out as well as she did. She's not weak or useless--Orihime only thinks she is because she has low self-esteem. I'm pretty sure this is also a parallel to Rukia.

She sure as hell ain't stupid, considering she's ranked 3rd in their class of over 300 people, last I checked. And as for worthless to the plot? Hello, have you read the Hueco Mundo arc, yet? And yes, I'm sure Orihime's being a damsel in distress makes her so much more pathetic--EVEN THOUGH THE FIRST HALF OF THE STORY WAS ABOUT RESCUING RUKIA.

Just. Dammit, fandom--stop with the retarded double standards already.

kikyo_cat - April 20, 2008 09:52 PM (GMT)
Kikyo

seriously? she's the best character in the series. I would like to point out that without Kikyo. there would be no show. Kagome is the reincarnation of KIKYO; InuYasha was pinned to the tree by KIKYO; InuYasha only even began having feelings for Kagome because she looks like KIKYO. My gawd. Kikyo is amazing.

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Kusari Yarou - April 22, 2008 05:40 AM (GMT)
@ Keke, just read your defense of Cheza. And I have to say, "WTH, people bash Cheza?" I agree with you, her character isn't made for strength! She was created to be strange and otherworldly...she's a flower, for heaven's sake. They just completely miss the point of her being the key to finding Paradise. Sigh. And Kiba/Cheza is love, and you're heartless if you hate this ship

And HOW they can bash Leara, she only appears in one episode! There's not enough of her to bash! No, you know what, I'm willing to bet this is one of those cases where fanbrats bash female characters just 'cause they're 'in the way'.
Guh, I hate when rabid slash fangirls make the rest of us look bad.(If these crazy girls "hate het relationships", how the frack do they expect to meet boys? :shifty:)

Please oh please don't tell me they also bash Blue! I actually cried when she promised Hige she'd stick with him to the end.

Pyra Kurai Akaidra - April 22, 2008 06:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kusari Yarou @ Apr 22 2008, 05:40 AM)
Guh, I hate when rabid slash fangirls make the rest of us look bad.

I know what you mean. Sometimes, I feel embarassed that I ship the same pairing as these crazy peeps. Yes, the slash pairing is fun and sexy/hot, but don't go overboard with it, plz? It's because I *GASP* actually like the girls the rabids consider to be 'getting in the way' of the yaoi. (Kairi, Sakura, etc...)

Chibica - April 30, 2008 09:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Inuyatta @ Apr 20 2008, 09:17 PM)
Hm...this subject is coming up a lot lately. One character I see get bashed to no end for no good reason is Orihime Inoue from Bleach. I'm not full on into the Bleach fandom or anything, but I'm pretty sure that people just hate her because she gets in the way of some more popular ship.

Really, the things said about this girl: she's weak, she's useless, she's stupid, she's worthless to the plot, just a damsel in distress.

Blatant lies--I'd like to see some regular 15-16 year old girl go through what she has and come out as well as she did. She's not weak or useless--Orihime only thinks she is because she has low self-esteem. I'm pretty sure this is also a parallel to Rukia.

She sure as hell ain't stupid, considering she's ranked 3rd in their class of over 300 people, last I checked. And as for worthless to the plot? Hello, have you read the Hueco Mundo arc, yet? And yes, I'm sure Orihime's being a damsel in distress makes her so much more pathetic--EVEN THOUGH THE FIRST HALF OF THE STORY WAS ABOUT RESCUING RUKIA.

Just. Dammit, fandom--stop with the retarded double standards already.

You have no idea how I LOVE this post, Inu. :sad: I'm not a diehard IchigoxOrihime shipper but I adore this character as much as I like Rukia. When does one's interest in pairing become oh-so-important in discussing an anime/manga? I found tons of bashing toward Orihime are like "SHE'S DAMN WEAK AND USELESS! ICHOGO x RUKIA IS CANON! ORIHIME IS NO GOOD AS RUKIA!!" Srsly, why a character loses all his/her charm just becuz there's a LTD involved? :(

I don't think she's weak at all. She's designed to own an ability not in slashing enemy into pieces but in reviving wounds, and now that makes her weak/useless? Orihime is born to be a human being, not like Rukia or other females from another world, IMO it's more than common that she has her own weakness, physically or emotionally. Is it really that thoughtless when she came to face the danger alone? I do remember Ulquiorra had threatened her to compromise, no?


The most rediculous bashing to her would be those who compare Orihime/Rukia with Aerith/Tifa. How on earth can Orihime resemble Tifa? or Aerith? Some said Orihime is too clingy, passive and emotionally weak like Tifa while Rukia's independence, oddity and her interaction with Ichigo are like Aerith....... WTF? How do those two have the slightest thing to do with Tifa and Aerith?? I'm not a CloTi shipper so I have to worship IchihoXRukia? :blink: Actually I don't care who Ichigo actually likes, but I can't stand ppl bash a character becuz of their hate toward a character in another game/anime. That makes no sense at all. D:




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