Maybe someday, they will finally be togueter...you know, they live with denzel and marlene, they are like a real family...do you hink somday cloud will decide to move on with Tifa? will the have a romani relationship? i know he loves aeris, not ifa, but aeris is dead after all...i dont know what to think. But, it is really curious for me how clotis like to portarit cloud's felings towards tifa: they think that he can be passionate, you know but i believe cloud is not that ype o man, he is very shy, tifa need a man who will take care of her, that can be a man for her and not a little kid...in fac, it was said that cloud was for both tif and aeris a little kid, but in a different way.,,well, what do you think?

For me, if Cloud and Tifa didn't get together after the end of the game, they won't. If some of you had your doubts back then, well, you'd think that two years later, they would finally get together...but they're still not together. Another year later in DoC and Tifa is, surprise, still just Cloud's childhood friend. If he wasn't shown getting intimate with her by the end of his story (AC), we can safely conclude that he will never be with her in that sense. Let the Cloti fans dream all they want. It's not what SE showed...and for a woman who is still alive, that's not saying much for Tifa at all. :P

To me, she and Cloud are like real family, but there's no intimacy between them: kisses, tender hugs, holding hands, etc. Therefore, it's extremely platonic to me. The fact that they're close like family doesn't bother me at all. Really, I've always seen the two of them (and the rest of Avalanche) in that light.

Very well put, Hades' Daughter. I agree that if Cloud and Tifa didn't get together after AC, then it ain't gonna happen. I also agree that Avalanche always seemed like a family to me, even in FFVII. They're all very close to one another, and they've shared a lot.

The end of AC shows clearly that Cloud is with Aerith, that Cloud is able to see her and be with her, that her consciousness lives on inside him, and that they share a special bond with one another. Cloud is close to all the members of Avalanche, but Tifa will never have the bond with Cloud like he shares with Aerith.

Well, in the end of advent children, after yuffie gave Cloud her gift, Cloud talks with Tifa and he said to her to close the bar and told to denzel and marlene, obvioulsly because they are oing to be togueter so...that is why i believe that cloud and Tifa's relationship is going to be better than before..even so, Aeris is always be wih cloud, and who knows, maybe they will meet at the promised land..

Remember that picture sitting on Cloud's desk with Avalanche as one big happy family? My belief is that when Cloud had called Tifa up and asked her to close the bar down, Avalanche was planning a get-together. It's not anything romantic happening just within the "Cloti family". I'm sure it's what many Clotis want to believe happened, but the fact that Cloud was in touch with everyone (not just Tifa) and the fact that Yuffie had something to do with the sign...well...the family picture at the end of Calling says it all.

Anyhow, it shouldn't bother people that Cloud and Tifa's relationship will be better than before. It's a good thing for poor Cloud who's clearly a part of that family. What should matter is the type of relationship they share. Like I've said, there's no indication of any romantic intimacy between the two. Shouldn't matter to us then how good or bad that relationship is.

Exactly, Alexa. As DoC put it, Aerith is the woman Cloud will never forget. The fact that Cloud and Tifa share no romantic intimacy and the fact that Aerith's consciousness resides in him confirms their spiritual bond, and for me, spells out the conclusion of the LT as clear as day.

If it was going to happen, it would have by now. Especially in a full CG movie about Cloud's concluding story.

I am quite through with this topic of discussion, yus.

cloud is gay. :gift:

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Hmm... my friend thinks that way too he said its hard for too people to be friends without them at some point both developing feelings for one and other but i dunno i'm not quite sure about that, there have been times myself where i've thought " you never know what will happen" but then i just remember what made me love Cloud and Aerith so much together and that is the fact i think there love survives anything (Yes i know... randomness :D)

Actually wasn't it said that Aerith and Tifa both had Maternal bonds but in a different way then went on to say that Tifa saw Cloud as a big kid, it never said anything about Aerith seeing him as a kid.

I also agree with everyone else if anything romantic was going to happen they would have done something about it by now which obviously they haven't and i don't think ever will....

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If Cloti is canon, then the Calling scene is pointless. :mellow:

And a waste of money, if that's the case.

Hmm... well, Cloud is a "big kid" and all "big kids" grow up, ne. So, sooner or later, this "big kid" will move out of his *Snorts and giggles* "mommies" house.

I agree totally and completely with Pyra Kurai Akaidra. Calling must've been absolutely pointless if AC was CloTi, since all it showed during the song was Cloud and Aerith and Fenrir(Cloudy's motorcycle). :cloud:

Cloud has moved on from Aerith's death, he was fine at the end of AC because now he knows that she lives in his consciousness. He may havr lost her physically, but beyond that, she's still with him. So even if you do move on over someone's death, it shouldn't stop you to love that person. Normally, people who loses something very dear to them move on, and Clotis expect that he would move on with Tifa. But they are forgetting that Cloud is not normal, in a way of what kind of person Cloud is-he isn't the type of person to fall in love easily. Besides, I doubt he would, how could he forget Aerith if he only opened up himself and just be Cloud to her...
If I was in his shoes, I would have been the same as well. Oh dear I'm getting emo. o_O;

Think of it this way: take a step back and remember that these are characters in a story. Essentially, their "lives" begin when you pop in the CD and end when you've stopped the player. There is no real "before" or "after"; Cloud's life doesn't continue after you've turned off the DVD player.

Cloud will get together with Tifa if you want it to be that way. What happens outside of AC and the games is entirely up to you. It is fan-made fiction.

This is why Cloti arguments that Cloud "will" get together with Tifa "in the end" is problematic-- if there is no proof of it in the text, why should I take your word on it? Just because it seems, to you, to be the "common sense" conclusion? On the other hand, Cleris beliefs that Cloud didn't forget about Aerith after the game has been proven canon.

As has been noted, if it was going to happen, it would have happened in any of the mediums.

Maybe, maybe not.

DoC, Reminisce, and Case of Denzel certainly never said that Cloud and Tifa became an item, so I guess I can say in absolute certainty that Cloud is procrastinating.

Good call, SE.

I see this topic as pointless really. As CG said, if it was gonna happen it would've already. I don't think they're ever going to get together. Aerith still holds a major place in his hear (Calling any one?) and Tifa should be mature enough to understand he doesn't feel that way about her.

Yes, I agree with a majority of the posters. Cloud's story is over. Finished. If SE wanted to give any hints towards Cloti, they would have done so at the end of Cloud's story.

But they didn't. AC's end was completely Cleris, which in my mind, solidifies them as the canon couple.

Cloti will never happen.

Thanks guys, you are right! in the end, cloud smiles because he has finally understand that, even if Aeris is not phisically with him, she will always be with him :)Even Tifa, knew it, when she sais thanks to the drop of water, knowing it was aeris,so...

Yes, it will never happen. Three years already had passed and their relationship is still the same, no improvement, none at all.

Yup! Since Nomura already said that Cloud's story will end with AC, I think poor Clotis can keep building castles ONLY in their dreams~ :whistle: Even if he moves on to get a life, he still will have Aerith living in his consciousness and they can talk/aware/connect each other through their own way! Let's not say "forever" to save Clotis' faces......oops, but FF7DC's character info says Aerith's the one that Cloud would NEVER forget?..... :P

Did Nomura said that? Oops, I didn't know. When did he said that?

Anyway, its very clear that CloTi will never happen.. but the CloTis can still say that, in their imaginations that is.

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Awww yea I read that line last summer when my sis was playing it.
I was like "OMG This game is totally Clorith!!"

I love how SE will never let US forget how Cloud will never forget Aerith.

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If it was going to happen, it would have happened like most people have already said. I dont think Cloud will actually get with tifa, i can just imagine him being close friends with her and junk but nothing romantic, i can also imagine cloud as an old man, single btw, always visiting aerith and just waiting to be reunited with her <3 :cleris:

Awwww Me too <333
I can tell your a hopeless Romantic <3
Aren't Youuuuuu lol
Well that would really be romantic....But men........I think NEED a women (if ya get my drift)
And I guess it doesn't matter Cause Cloud is THAT in love with Aerith and he would wait for her.
Ahhh I don't know Im just babeling to ya all lol
Sorry everyone <333


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He might and he might not. I understand your points though. Cloud has had 3 years to get into Tifa's pants and still hasn't done it yet.

I dunno if you know this, but I remember reading somewhere that Nojima wants to continue Cloud's story after the Fabula Nova Crystallis are done. :(

I really hope they don't because I liked AC Ending just fine. Anyways, many people are talking about how DoC ended with SPOLIER~ Genesis aka Gackt ~/SPOLIER. :cry:

Exactly D; Poor tifa, its like, just give her a plain answer Cloud! She's going to end up like an old maid D:

I think you all know my opinion on this one, lol. Now, looking at this from a completely nuetral view, yes, I think Cloud would move on to Tifa. I think their relationship is still developing and deepening, as friends and it could move on.
Aeris and Tifa would be happy either way, as long as Cloud is happy.

Again, from a neutral view. :]

I don't know if moving on, for Cloud, has to mean getting into a romantic relationship, but... unless SE shows us that, I'm going to bet that no, he won't.

Yet, that’s saddening knowing how Tifa feels, and just the mere thought of Cloud 'living' without a 'significant other'. I might seem lonely to some. But, eh. All people aren't the same, thus, the happiness and contentment of all people shouldn't be measured with the same standard.

*shrug*

Whatever makes everyone happy is fine with me.

You're right that whatever would make Cloud happy will make Aerith and Tifa happy. Now arises the question of who would make Cloud happy?

Because I don't think Tifa would make Cloud happy in a romantic relationship, I don't think he'd move on to Tifa. I think Cloud's happy just as he is with his memory of Aerith and looking forward to when he's finally able to join her in the Promised Land. :D And I think Tifa understands his feelings and is happy for him.

I agree with this. I don't see Cloud as the type of person that needs to be in a relationship in order to be happy. He's always been portrayed as more of a lone wolf. Considering Cloud and Tifa's inability to get along with eachother, and the fact that three years after FFVII he's never shown that he holds any romantic feelings for Tifa, I'd say he's just not interested in her. :cloud:

Cloud just isn't the type to need or want a woman on his arm to be happy. He's content single, IMO. Cloud's moved on in the sense that he's no longer burdened by guilt, but he's not going to "move on" with Tifa or any other girl. She'll always be a great friend to him, of course.

Isn't Cloud moving on to tifa kinda a cloti view than a neutral?

But your right, whatever makes Cloud happy. Either living alone or with someone else <3

Lol, maybe.

I think it just makes logical sense.

OKAY, let me edit then:

Since Cloud and Tifa's relationship as friends is deepening, it could go further. However, there is no doubt that Aeris will always be in his heart and mind, and therefore he may never move on. Tifa however, does have the ability to help Cloud, and may be able to warm his heart enough for him to move on to being officially, with her. On the other hand, he may always be waiting for Aeris, and his feelings for Tifa may only deepen as friends, and nothing more.

Anything is possible. : ]

hmmm I think Cloud will get a Girl Friend But NOT move on.
And Why do people automatically think he'll get with Tifa if he decides to move on?
What about the other 17 million women in the world of gaia??
ya know whats weird is that Yuffie and Cloud personalities go together and they both
complement eachothers personality as well.
so people shouldn't really say Cloud would get with Tifa and not the other women in the world.
I see Cloud getting with no one he looks like the guy that would get annoyed by the women today.seeing how they are so......

It might happen, but then again it might not. I've always seen Cloud as a Loner since his symbol is "The Lone Wolf". If he does move on with Tifa then it would be ok, it's just a video game with pixel people. I mean, it's very possible for him too.

The thing is that I remember a staff member at S-E stating that "He doesn't care about who Cloud gets with and he doesn't see that Cloud care either." or something along those lines.

xD hehe, thats better <3

@Rinoa Oh yeah, your right n.n I think that was Tetsuya who said it, when questioned about Cloud. So basically, when they say Cloud doesn't care its like

Zack: HEY STOP PUSHING!
Sephy: IGOTHEREFIRSTYOURSPIKYHAIREDFREAK!
Zack: WHAT DID YOU SAY?!
Priscilla: Guys! stop fighting! we all know Cloud and I are meant to be!
Zack & Sephy: YOU STUPID BRAT!

Or something along those lines xD

I know that Cloud will get together with Yuffie! :lmao:

Seriously through, Cloud isn't going to be with Tifa. He doesn't like her and if they were canon, then it would be shown. Tifa will always be in Cloud's life as a sister/mother/best friend but they have become only more separate by their experiences.

Cloud isn't like most guys as we know. He won't just fall in love again. Not after seeing the woman he loved murdered in front of him. That's enough to break his heart forever. I content to see C/A in a spiritual relationship which is deeper than anything he's had with Tifa.

There is also another reason he wouldn't be with Tifa. It is called in Chinese yuan which is like a red ribbon of fate.

There is a Chinese myth like this except the only difference is that their is no red ribbon. Instead it focuses more on fate: It's said that before you were born, the gods tied two souls together by yuan, seen only by the gods, that bound them as soulmates. Only with each other that they can have true happiness, anyone else wouldn't be right, as they don't have that 'connection' between them.

Yuan is best explained like this: the people that are supposed to be together will be together because heaven destined it to be this way. My mom said that Cloud/Aerith have yuan because they were fated to meet and fall in love not only that their love extends past death. Plus they can see each other even after Aerith's death. The Cait Sith prediction that they are perfect for each other is more evidence of this.

Cloud and Tifa have no yuan because their "potential love" is always blocked by their choices/experiences and heaven haven't tied their hearts together. This is why whenever C/T have any potential to be lovers it fails.

Angelwing--that's an interesting way of putting it--but does the red ribbon reference (Yuan) have any relevance to FFVII in canon? O_o I heard something about a card with something like this, but it was so long ago.

I don't think that Tifa can't make Cloud happy--I believe that BPMM is right in that Cloud and Tifa's friendship is probably stronger now than it has ever been. While I don't think that it'll ever escalate into a full blown romance (due to their complicated pasts with each other, plus there's Aerith...whose consciousness lives on in Cloud), I do believe that they can potentially become a real family like Tifa wanted, if they aren't already.

Angelwing Aeris:

I'm also a Chinese(Taiwanese) and I totally support such idea~ :lmao:

But the fact is, all members are wearing it..... :unsure:
Anywayz it's an interesting finding~ really! :lol:


*back to the topic*
I suddenly have a strange idea..... Why there're bunch of people claiming that Cloud should move on, but not much of them would think "probably it's Tifa who should move on"? Seriously, Tifa is a wonderful type of girl, she's attractive in outlook and has caring nature, and she even can cook~ I sincerely think she deserves someone that would treat her better, at least always, aaaalways consider her as top priority. As the story goes on, I could foresee that Cloud's priority might be all about himself...as for Tifa, like Inuyatta, said, she surely would have built a even stronger friendship with Cloud after AC, but she might also move on (referring to the romance she longs for Cloud) in the future. I can easily picture one day when Cloud knows that Tifa has a BF, he'll go warm that guy by saying "If you dare hurt her any a little bit, I'll hunt you down and chop you up in pieces....." :lmao: IMO, whether Cloud should move on having a love affair with her or other girls, Tifa is the one that already is satisfied at their family relationship and is the one that needs to move on.

Anyone with me? :blush:

*hands up* Me! xD Totally believe that Tifa will move on to another guy, and Cloud acting all big brother like xD

I actually think you have a good point, Chibica!! Tifa is the one who shows an intense longing for a romantic relationship and a desire for a family, so why shouldn't she be able to move on with someone else besides Cloud? ^_^ It's not an unreasonable idea- she is a very attractive girl and would certainly have dozens of guys lining up to date her. Though I agree, both Cloud and Barret would probably be very protective of her. :P


Honesty though? I cannot see Cloud moving on into a romantic relationship with Tifa at all. Just because he and Tifa have developed a deeper friendship does not mean that it will go any farther than that. (Personally, I don't think that their friendship evolved any further in AC or anything but tis all a matter of opinion!) At the end of AC and in DoC neither Cloud or Tifa have been shown as attempting to start a relationship with each other. If they were going to, you'd think there'd be signs of it in DoC, which is a year after AC, but there isn't. It seems as if Cloud is still being the same way he's always been, off by himself, just not as depressed and more willing to contact his friends.

I don't think it's in Cloud's nature to 'move on'. He's always been stuck in his past, always been a loner. Having someone like Aerith touch his life made a huge impact and he's never going to be the same because of it. He's made peace with her death, that's true, and now he's moving on with his life. But why does 'moving on' mean that he has to get into a romantic relationship with another woman, such as Tifa? Moving on can mean he's let go of his guilt and is starting to live again without a need to shut himself off from the world. The Calling music video in particular shows Cloud entering a flowerfield where Aerith is shown waiting. It's clear that even after AC Aerith is still invovled in Cloud's life- so then if that's true, why would there be a need for Cloud to get into a romantic relationship with Tifa? He has the woman he loves with him, so unless Cloud has become a pimp or player (^_~) , I don't really see a need or a want for a romantic relationship with Tifa.