I was doing research for my upcoming Cloud and Aerith site "Cleris Online" when I came across this cute piece of information.

Aerith is an Aquarius, the water carrier, who's element is air.
Cloud is a Leo, the lion, who's element is fire.
Tifa is a Taurus, the bull, who's element is earth.

In Zodiac symbolism, the element of air feels that water will obscure it, earth will suffocate it, but fire will inspire and uplift it.
The element of earth feels that air will dissipate it, fire will parch it, and water will refresh and nourish it.
The element of fire feels that earth will smother it, water will drown it, but air will fan and enliven it.

Taking this into account, it seems to mirror the relationships between Cloud, Aerith and Tifa.
Tifa, being earth, has been "dissipated" with the presence of Aerith. She has gone from being Cloud's assumed love interest into the background as Aerith "fans and enlivens" Cloud. Cloud, the element of fire, feels that earth will "smother it".
This pertains to Tifa's nagging and motherly feelings. She wants him to be someone he cannot be, nagging him instead of comforting him, not fully understanding Cloud's feelings, in essence she is "smothering" him. At the same time Cloud is "parching" Tifa, not giving her the affection and attention that she so terribly craves. He runs away from the family she has built for them, further "parching" her.
Also, Cloud "inspires and uplifts" Aerith, ensuring her that she is not alone.
"I...We're here for you."

I just thought that it was interesting and wanted to share :gift:

Very interesting :)

really gets u thinking there
:cleris:

Hmmmmmmm :cloud: :aeris:

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So it means that perhaps Square made them the main couple cos of this...so I see...when you throw earth(tifa) on fire(cloud) the earth makes fire dissapear but if the air(aerith) is there then the fire will grow bigger..I think that perhaps that's how it works^_^

Awesome.
It really adds insight into what Square intended for the two.

Oh wow that's really cool I doubt it's merely a coincidence since square has to choose birthdays and such! But this is the western zodiac is it not? Do you know about the chinese zodiac and how it portrays Cloud Aerith and Tifa?

One of the things I've noticed is that no one has really brought up Cloud's or Aerith's or Tifa's birthdays to help determine whose really the better match for Cloud.

Cloud's birthday is August 19

Aerith's birthday is February 7 (sometimes posted as February 19 for who knows why)

Tifa's birthday is May 3

This means, Cloud is a Leo, Aerith is a Aquarius (on either th 7th or the 19th) and Tifa is a Taurus

I could go on about personality traits that these signs are supposed to have, but just looking at astrological dynamics between the three, Cloud and Aerith are opposites. Cloud and Tifa are in what some astrologers call a "square."

Cloud and Aerith's opposing signs mean that they feel phsyically attracted to (or else secretly admire and respect) eachother because each of them possess qualities the other doesn't have (Cloud's need for attention vs Aerith's needing to give her attention to the world, Cloud's introverted behavior vs. Aerith's outgoing personality, Cloud's poker-face vs. Aerith not afraid to show her emotions.) Because of that, attraction usually tends to be strong. :cleris:

Cloud and Tifa's square position means that not always, but sometimes there is tension or conflict of personality between them. This means that any given time, one of them may feel the other disapproves of them or else, they actually disapprove of the other in some way. (Cloud feeling rejected by Tifa when they were children, Tifa feeling Cloud is distancing himself from her, Cloud only wanting money instead of reconnecting with a "childhood friend.") This can cause one person to grow restless because of the restrictions the other places on them. :never:

Some astrologers say that opposites don't work out well, while others claim they can oftentimes be the best relationships that occur in the zodiac. Yet, almost all astrologers claim that a square partnership is the hardest to keep up unless there are other positive planetary positions on the day of your birth.

Leos are reputed to being the monarchs of the zodiac, as many make good leaders and they often adore attention (but who doesn't in one form or another?) Aquarius are told to be the humanitarian of the zodiac as many prefer to look outward into the world for answers and many are progressive. And Taurus are said to be one of the most dependable signs of the zodiac, as most of them are steadfast and many hold their ground no matter how hard another force pushes.

Of course there are always exceptions to the rule. Cloud is more introverted than most Leos. Aerith does care a lot about her relationship with Cloud, though she also cares a lot about the planet as well. Tifa sometimes isn't as steadfast as she could be during some difficult times.

But for the most part, opposites do seem to attract and in a relationship, Cloud and Aerith have what the other lacks.

I could write a longer analysis on astrological influences on Cloud and Aerith, but
this is already a pretty long post as it is. :phew:

I added to the topic of zodiac signs...I missed this comment...see Astrological Signs


I'm sorry I missed this one because it feeds into what I was commenting on.

Wow! It's a cool analysis! I do know a couple who are Leon(M)XAquarius(F). And they are going to celebrate their 3rd year anniversary! Well...Taurus is also a great starsign, but in CloudXTifa's case, I too don't see love could go smoothly :P HAHAHA I like your information!

Love it..... :gift: Your analysis reminds me of Cat Ceit's fortune telling! I'm also impressed about SE's attentiveness in giving us a great hint!!! :cleris:

Also, since I am a zodiac freak, I can tell you this.

Aquarius and Leo are polar opposites. When it comes to polar opposites they either get along great or hate eachother. Cloud and Aerith are an example of polar opposites working well with one another. Now here is some background info on the signs we are discussing.

Leo's are the natural born leaders who want to be happy and are generous and warm and have fiery personalities. When they become involved with someone they tend to have these good qualities about them: romantic, generous, dramatic, loyal, and assertive. Now when we speak of Cloud he is sort odf romantic in his own way. Like the whole bonfire thing with Aerith and agreeing to be her bodyguard. He's generous because he's always helping her out when she needs it. He is VERY dramatic during Aerith's death (as he should be :lol: ). He's loyal to her and is always there for her as a friend and more (I mean, jeez! The guy saved her from Shinra and he barely knew her! If that's not loyalty I dunno what is...). And as for assertive, well, Cloud isn't very honest when telling her he loves her, but he gives enough signs and when chasing after her he is very assertive in that. Some bad things about this sign are that they are: impressionable, impulsive, vain, demanding, opinionate, gullible, spendthrift, egotistical, possesive, and know-it-alls. Now we all know Cloud likes to spend his money on those potions (sorry had to put it in there XD), but I don't think he's really that vain. This is proabably due to whatever his rising sign is. Most likely it's Aquarius, which mellows him out a lot. Cloud can be very impulsive on the other hand and has a tendancy to rush into things, like with Shinra and Sephiroth. He is also possesive and impressionable. He is possive because when someone tries to take something away from him or they do, he tends to get very clingy to that thing they are trying to take away. He's impressionable because...well...Sephiroth turned him into Pinnochio. And there you have it. This is Leo. Now let's look at the sign that balances him out: Aquarius.

Aquarius' are very smart and now everything about everything. They tend be scientific and analyze situations quickly, and they also make excellant psychologists. When they are involved with people, they tend to be: visionary, humanitarian, open-minded, reformer, and illuminating. Now we all know Aerith is all of these things. She has an open mind to everything thrown at her, she has her visions of how things will be, she is anything BUT conservative, and she has the ability to light up any dark situation or in Cloud's case, the ability to lighten up a person. They are fun to be around, and aren't afraid to share their opinions with others and have a fun, delightful, and light personality. But there are some annoying features to this lovely sign. They tend to be very cold and detached about things, as well as tactless. They are also know to be very bizarre. Now we've seen how Aerith can be this way, although it's hard to admit it. A perfect example would be when she talks to Barret in the Gold Soucer after the just left Corel. She is very tactless in what she says, and has a detached feeling about her that we hadn't seen before. She acts like nothing's wrong, thus making Barret even more angry than before and causing a bit of conflict between the group and Barret. Another example of this (this is only if you have Tifa in yer party), is when she asks Cait Sith what her and Cloud's combatibilty is in front of Tifa. Tifa obviously gets upset by this and turns around, not wanting to hear what Cait Sith has to say. This is not very nice on Aerith's part, escpecially when she knows about Tifa's feelings for Cloud, showing that she doesn't have a lot of tact. Other than that though, Aquarius' are often the perfect match for Leos.

Unlike other signs, these two signs get along well BECAUSE they are polar opposites. An example of signs that do not get along AT ALL with their polar opposites would be with Scorpios and Taurus'.

Wow, amazing analysis darkmoonlitdreamer.
It seems like these two have everything going for them!

Wow, what a deep insight.
Yeah, Leos and Taurus' don't normally get along too well, I know that from personal experience.
This also excentuates the saying,"Opposites attract".
I love viewing the couple from an astrological standpoint, they seem to just melt into one another!

*Merges the two topics* :D

*claps*

I love elemental symbolism. In any case, great comparison! It makes me wonder if Nojima had this mind when he was writing the scripts...

:D Thanks! I tend to be very interested in horoscopes so it's fun to compare and contrast. :D

Oooh. Astrological signs! *cracks knuckles*

Aerith and Cloud are actually opposites. Aquarians and Leos are opposites in values and beliefs. (each sign has an opposite. For instance, Taurus' opposite is Scorpio)


Aerith's sign is being influenced by Gemini and Virgo (which makes her more flexible in her relationships but requires more emotional stability, but she's careful and graceful).

As for Cloud, how come in the Reunion Files, his birthday is August 11, while in the game manual, his birthday is on the 19th?

Anyway, if he's born on the 11th, he'd be influenced by Sagittarius and Pisces (Sagittarius makes him a little restless, seeking out jobs that would interest him rather than considering how much pay he'd get; while Pisces makes him emo.).

If he's born on the 19th, he'd be influenced by Aries and Gemini. (Aries makes him not a seeker of responsibility, it's like responsibility just falls onto him and sometimes he doesn't even know it; while Gemini makes him intelligent but a little unsure of himself i.e. his skills, etc.)

Their common denominator is the Gemini part. So even though Aquarius and Leo are opposites among zodiac signs, they still get along. Furthermore, Leos are pretty dramatic (it's not obvious in Cloud but he has his moments although they're very subtle). Aquarians can take the drama as long as they are on the "stable" side (since no air sign is born alike). Aerith is still on the "stable" side, which makes it work for the two of them.

I can go on with more stuff like tarot cards and stuff but I need to get back to work. :/

Tifa.L

Ummm, strange, I've never read Cloud's info with his birth at Aug. 19th in the manual :blink: ( I own two kinds of manuals, one is purchased 6 years ago, another one before 5 years) Maybe that's an error in the edition you bought? I'm not sure actually...(*shrug:dunno:

Do you study astrological signs? Share more 'bout CXA's ! :fangirl: I'd love to know details since I only have rough understanding, I so want to know how they match each other according to their characteristics in Game~:)

My FF7 game is the PC version. It says Cloud's birthday is on August 19. Even this website says so.
In my copy of the Reunion Files, it says August 11. I'm starting to think that August 19 is Zack's birthday and Cloud thought it's his. <_< But oh well, off to the astrological signs...

Yes, I've been studying them because I'm very fascinated with them. ^_^' I read the tarot and use the signs to interpret the behavior of people. Although it's mostly for fun, I find myself relying on it at times especially if I don't know how to interact with particular people. :lol:

More on the LeoxAquarius match: They are compatible because Leo is stable, which can make an impact or create an influence on Aquarius, who is quite flighty and unpredictable.
Based on observation, Aquarians are attracted to those who are able to create an impact on others. For instance, in the case of Leo, the Leo is able to "lead" others in one way or another. They may be aware of it or not, it doesn't matter, because Aquarius can see that in the Leo. Furthermore, the Aquarius can make the Leo realize his own capabilities as a person.

Other points to consider:
1. Leo is fascinated with the spirit of Aquarius, which creates an attraction.
2. Aquarians are air signs: their minds are more open. Leo is stubborn. With the help of Aquarius, the Leo's mind can be opened.
3. Aquarius and Leo share the flair for drama.
4. Both are creative signs. Aquarius has too many ideas, Leo has the enthusiasm to make them a reality.


I'm sure you can all see the Cloud and Aerith in those aforementioned details. :)

Thank you I've been saying this for time Taurus and Leo's are don't go believe me I know <_< I'm a Leo don't get me wrong Taurus are alright but we aren't love signs my best friend is an Aquarius I think Leo's really admire Aqua's. I can really be myself around her.

"smothering" him. At the same time Cloud is "parching" Tifa, not giving her the affection and attention that she so terribly craves. He runs away from the family she has built for them, further "parching" her.

Leo's don't like giving people attention sometimes espeacially ones that crave it Aqua's really don't care they don't beg for attention.

Well hello, fellow Leo! I'm so glad to meet another Leo here. ^_^'

Based on their birthdays, Cloud and Tifa won't really get along as lovers but they're okay as friends.

Yes, I have a friend whose birthday is a day after Tifa's and she acts the same way. I'm a Leo myself and I have to admit, there were several times when I couldn't stand her especially if we had to work together.

I only shower people with attention if I think they deserve it or if I really like them (for boys.). :P But I don't like it when Taureans beg for attention. It usually irritates me.

And I guess I can judge Cloud's reactions towards Tifa from that. :lol:

Wow, we're reeeeeally scraping the bottom of the barrel if anyone is actually taking this for any kind of canon proofs...

Yahoo! Astrology says...

Pick apart as you see fit.

Just like what Yahoo! Astrology says.

By the way I lost track of the situation for LTDs... can we actually use these astrological signs as proof? :unsure: Because in real life situations, like whenever I encounter Clotis face-to-face, I tend to use this type of reasoning. Seems to work, though. *shrug*

Personally, I think astrological connections are nice things to know, a little extra to the characters. But I wouldn't use them for serious debating, unless you can woven it together with Cait Sith's predictions (which is, as we suspected, his specialty and not a lie), but even so, it may be shot down by saying Cait Sith's a liar or whatnot.

Not sure about the LTD frontlines, you have to ask the active debaters.

Zydalia, I'm loving the siggie you got there...... :lmao:

Though I'm not a great one on that stuff, its shocking how well the Zodiac fits some of the elements addressed in the first post. I guess Noruma could have been thinking about it.....

As for the "Opposites Attract," subject, inculding People who are more alike get on better (can't think of any phrase to describe it :unsure: ) I infact, don't really believe in both. I believe it depends on the person, and because everyone is unique, so is their taste in partners. Everyone is attracted to, or likes different things in a person that draws them to them, even at different times in their lives. (Look at Zack and Aerith.) Of course, for Cloud, it seemed to be Aerith. :cleris:

Or, if not astrological signs, the blood types also play significant roles. Even the Japanese use blood types to determine the behavior of people. They can even use it for matchmaking purposes.

I think the reason why we are provided with data such as birth dates and blood types is to give us the idea on how we can perceive the behavior of the characters... so yeah I guess I can use these things for debates along with the other proofs. ^_^'

Well...it's not exactly..."proofs"...it's more or less for a fun "just so you know" kind of thing...

@Bellebelle3 - Thanks XD

I wasn't planning to use this in any debates, it's more or less just a fun little essay thing, you know, like how people analyze the color of clothing or eyes and what not XD

Hi Tifa nice to meet another Leo ^^ my friend Sarah's a Leo and during the summer she became really close friends with Abbey a Taurus and a couple of weeks ago she started to bug Sarah I noticed for about week Sarah was looking for some reason to fall out with her. I think Abbey started bragging and Sarah got annoyed because, sad to say us Leo's...believe it or not we...are VAIN and sometimes a bit big headed and think we are better than other people. I think Sarah was annoyed that Abbey thought she was better than her when Sarah clearly believes otherwise. I don't think Leo's and Taurus should spend so much time together maybe then they'd still be friends oh well....

Haha. Very true. Leos can never deny their vanity. Cloud's vanity? ... well, just look at the earrings and the other bling. :lol:
There are times when the Taurus can become rather egotistical, which isn't good for the Leo ego. As for Tifa, sometims she has her "me, me, me!" thing going on and the question is, "what about Cloud's feelings?"

Yep. If they do hang out together, they need to compromise a big deal in order to set things straight. I have a friend whose parents are a Leo-and-Taurus combination. They seem compatible because they share the love for luxury (they're rich anyway).

I don't know, but pure Taureans drain the energy out of me. It's like they "cover my fire with their earth to put the flames out", which really stresses me out sometimes especially if I'm not close to the person. :P

Hey Tifa,

Do you know about their tarot cards and bloodtype? If it have the time it would be really cool to hear about it.

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"Aquarius - The Sign of the Water Bearer
The Aquarius' symbol is the man, who is holding two vessels in his hands : one contains alive water , another - dead. It symbolises the division between good and evil, black and white. It is in the Aquarias' nature to be interested in science's advanced achievements. For example - computers. In general ,he loves to use any modern technical achievements. Sometimes, he shows such a great interest in them, that they can replace contact with people at all..."

This is very interesting as water comes to symbolize Aeris. In the compilation, Aeris is percieved as innocence and purity, good, where as Sephiroth is seen as cruel and manipulative, evil. She is the one who prayed for Holy, protection, to destroy Meteor, drestruction. Aeris is also responsible for using the lifestream as a sort of barrier between Gaia and the fight between Meteor and Holy.
So...in a way...Aeris,who is able to manipulate the lifestream, was able to seperate protection and destruction from one another.
The technology tid bit is also fun, since it reminds me of Aeris's fascination with the airship. She had Cloud promise to take her on one one day.

Thoughts?

This is pretty interesting in that, in KH2, Aerith was a stable being with equal amount of light and darkness. Does Aerith symbolize the border between life and death, good and evil, light and darkness? Maybe I am just reading too much into it. :lol:

FF_G, I think your correct. Aerith is a balanced person. Yin and Yang (light and darkness) are equalized in her. Aerith in my opinion is the mother/guardian of the lifestream thus she is symbolized by both life and death.

Ooooh. So that explains the "flightiness" of their behavior. It's like one moment they're happy and in a snap they're suddenly moody and angry and you wouldn't know what made them feel that way. :lol: It's not basically the type of balance that Libra has (which makes Librans more patient than Aquarians and Geminis in the air sign group) but their balance is not the schizophrenic type. It's more of a rational balance. (I don't know if I am explaining it in a very understandable way but...) :unsure:

Aquarians are basically intellectual people. Since they are air signs, they are very imaginative to the point that their mind tends to fly off to wherever.
Aquarians are also knowledgeable about a lot of things. In fact, they can find meaning in everything--even the most inane stuff.

For the Tarot cards:

Cloud's card is The Strength because he is a Leo. Aerith's card is The Star since she's an Aquarius.
In the Tarot, Cloud's fire element symbolizes spiritual energy while Aerith's air element symbolizes intellectual energy.

If they were real people, I'd read them their fortune. :lol: But they're not. I'll just leave it up to the imagination on why the Sun and the Star are okay with each other... or how Strength and Star can influence each other in many good ways.

For blood types:

Cloud: AB
Aerith: O

I don't pay so much attention to using blood types for fortune-telling and for matchmaking purposes but you can learn more about Japanese blood type and personality theories from here and here.

In western countries, it's typical for people to ask for your zodiac sign; and then in Japan, it's typical for people to ask for your blood type instead.

Tifa:

Do we have any analysis of blood type here?(*is interested) :unsure:

Like I said, I don't specialize in blood type fortune-telling. I'm more on zodiac signs and the tarot.

...But I think I can share a little based on what I know about them:

Bloody Type AB: they are serious, they may prefer to be alone and can function even if alone. They tend to be cool or level-headed to the point of being too introverted, aloof, unforgiving to the self or others, and critical. They tend to control their emotions and themselves quite well, too. However, they also have the tendency to be indecisive about certain matters especially if they have no idea how to go about them.

These people also tend to display behavior that is hard to predict. One minute they're laughing, the next thing you'll know they hate the world.

They are, however, trustworthy individuals and you can pretty much rely on them... but be careful not to overwhelm them with too many responsibilities or they'll get confused and wouldn't know how to handle them.

In Japan, type AB is considered as "the worst" because they display very unpredictable behavior.

Blood Type O: They are confident with themselves so we can look up to them as natural leaders. They can be patient but when provoked, they can act ruthless towards you. They're driven and outgoing individuals and they tend to lighten up every room that they are present in. They can say whatever is on their minds.

In Japan, blood type O is considered as the best.

Aerith is a type O and Cloud is type AB.

Type O is most compatible either with another Type O or Type AB

AB is most compatible with other AB's as well as all the other blood types.

I have a great astrology site that is very accurate and tells you alot about your sign: A definite must see =)

http://mizian.com.ne.kr/englishwiz/index.htm (Navigation is on the left and top)

Here are some bloodtype sites:

http://mysite.du.edu/~jhwang3/personality_..._blood_type.htm
http://www.japanvisitor.com/index.php?cID=359&pID=329

Here's some chemistry about bloodtypes:

First they all have three sugars connected in this chain: N-Acetyl-glucosamine-Galactose-Fucose. What means them different is that in all bloodtypes except O there is another sugar connected to the galactose molecule.

In Type A: There is another N-Acetyl-glucosamine sugar connected to the galactose molecule. A person with Type A blood is polar opposite to a person with Type B blood and will produce antibodies against Type B blood.

In Type B: There is a second galactose sugar connected to the galactose molecule. Types B are polar opposites to Type A's and will produce antibodies against Type A blood.

In Type AB: Cloud's blood-There are both A and B blood types thus they produce no antibodies. There polar opposite is Type O.

In Type O: Aerith's blood- They are special cause they have only three sugars and produce antibodies to both Type A and Type B blood. Their polar opposite is Type AB.

Here is a compatibility of Blood types:

Blood Type A's can receive A, and O blood. They cannot receive Types B, or AB.

Blood Type B's can receive B, and O blood. They cannot receive Types A, or AB.

Blood Types AB, can receive all Types of Blood.

Blood Types O, can't receive any blood type except Type O, but they can give to everyone.

This chemistry information led to the development of personality characteristics based on Blood Types, an example of which Tifa has provided for us. Hope I didn't confuse too many people. :)

I love this.

A question about blood types: Is the compability of certain bloodtypes with another well known in Japan?

I don't think you're over analyzing this because to me it makes so much sense. It's like Aerith is the one holding the balance and so without her, there would be... chaos, imbalance, etc.