Cloti's are claiming that CloudxTifa will probably happen at the end of AC because it's more realistic. They say that Aerith will never be resurrected in AC because it's too unrealistic and cheesy. They go on to say that since Aerith won't be resurrected, there's no chance of CloudxAerith happening in AC.

What they're overlooking is that Aerith doesn't need to be resurrected for CloudxAerith to happen in AC. For one thing, Cloud happens to be dying of Geostigma. What if he dies? CloudxAerith is a very likely conclusion if Cloud dies at the end of AC.

CloudxAerith could also happen if Cloud meets Aerith during AC, and the possibility of that happening is also pretty high. Since Cloud meeting Aerith was one of the unresolved mysteries of FFVII, Square might very well decide to show us how Cloud would meet Aerith in AC. It would be a perfect time for Square to show us that.

Cloud dying and/or meeting Aerith are two ways of CloudxAerith happening in AC without Aerith being resurrected, and both ways are very realistic within the realm of FFVII. We know that Square isn't afraid of killing their leading characters, and they may see it as a suitable way to conclude Cloud's story. Cloud's death wouldn't keep Square from including Cloud in other games, since we've seen a number of characters who died in subsequent games by Square. It would also be about the only way they could rival the impact of Aerith's death in FFVII. Cloud may very well die in AC.

The argument that CloudxTifa is more likely to happen because it's more realistic is rather silly, if you ask me. The Cloti's who say that are just ignoring the fact that Cloud might very well die in AC. They also don't realize that Aerith doesn't need to be resurrected for CloudxAerith to happen in AC - there's other ways for CloudxAerith to happen.

Umm, that's rather ridiculous. They're wanting something that takes place in FFVII to be "Realistic"? Is this the same game where a planet can be summoned using a magical marble? And the same world where people turn into green dots of spirit energy? Isn't FFVII the one where lions talk, an ancient race can talk to dead people and there's magic?
I'm sorry, but if FFVII is one thing, it is NOT realistic!

What Sefie said.

*Rant Start*

Also I just need to say this, if Aeris was revived, I'm not saying she will, why do some people that it will be cheesy ? <_< If pulled off the right way Aeris getting resurected would be just as emotional as her death.

*Rant over*

I agree... I don't think that Aerith's resurrection has to be cheesy at all. It all depends on the way Square resurrects her. I don't know how people can decide that it's cheesy before it even happens. <_< Wait to see how Square does it first, and then decide whether it was cheesy or not.

And no, that's not to say that she will get resurrected. I'm just saying that I think it's silly to decide that's something's cheesy before it even happens.

I'm gonna agree with everyone here. If done well, ressurecting Aeris could be a very compelling story

Couldn't have said it better myself Sefie!

The only unrealistic thing in what those Cloti had just mentioned is their idea that they think it's unrealistic. First of all, why do some people always have to point out that Aerith will be revived? It just starts further arguments. I deem that it doesn't matter whether she'll be revived or not as long as Cloud can join her or be with her, right? I mean, he could just die so that he could be with her and join her wherever she is! :(

Going to their relationship being "unrealistic", well, NO. It's not unrealistic. Love can get busted by sudden interruptions like a sudden death or they cannot be together because of a bad circumstance whatsoever. It's reality; it can happen in real life... :(

Unrealistic... Unrealistic?!?!?!?! :angry:

Let me show you what's "unrealistic"--expecting Cloud/Tifa to happen *just because* Aerith is gone. "Suicidal Cloud running to the loving arms of Tifa for comfort" is not realistic, in my opinion. Tifa making a move on Cloud after Aerith's death is questionable.

And besides, like everybody else has mentioned, a romance between Cloud and Aerith isn't necessarily unrealistic.

*sigh* I don't get it. Just because Aerith passed away, the Clotis still think that love still cannot live on beyond life*gets a headache* .

That's a good point. Some either think it's cliche/ common/ (as I usually say in Malay) 'Terlalu biasa' (means common) or they just think it's silly and impossible.
Man, some people either just don't want to use their imagination or think it's not logical.

No one knows how it /anything will turn out unless you try first. :ph43r:

That's so true. But does it say that Aerith will be revived? About they're relationship, I think that no matter what happens, they'll be together either way, whether Cloud dies or Aerith gets revived. :ph43r:
:)

Exactly, Tifa... The Cloti's just seem to ignore the fact that Cloud has a fatal disease and may very well die during the movie. They seem to think that the only way CloudxAerith can happen in AC is if Aerith gets revived. Square has written the movie so that there's a realistic and very possible chance of Cloud reuniting with Aerith when he dies. However, Cloud doesn't need to die for CloudxAerith to be confirmed, either. A kissing scene in the flower field is also totally possible.

Well said, Zhakeena. I couldn't agree with you more. :rolleyes:

I agree with all of you ^____^...

I have discussed this theme before with some Clotis, and it seems that they don´t hear ¬¬... Only because a beloved person dies doesn´t mean that the other has to move on with his/her best friend... or with another person ¬¬

And yeah, I see improbable that SE resurrect Aeris (although it´s possible...), but Cloud dying is a very probably option... In my opinion the most probable to the moment...

Like Tifa said, ilogicall woul be Cloud running to Tifa´s arms because Aeris is death ¬¬... Cloud ending with Tifa is improbable, too, because AC is a 90 mins film, and the argument have a lot of things to tell us (Kaddaj and the other 2, Jenova, Sephiroth, Marlene and the other childs, Aeris....) as for the movie turning around Cloud and Tifa relationship ¬¬... Well, it´s only my opinion ^^UU

I don't think Cloud x Aeris is unrealistic. If anything I think what's being overlooked is how unrealistic Cloud x Tifa is. Cloud x Aeris can more or less be established based on Cloud's feelings. Guilt so far is the only clear emotion, but it would be easy to transition that to feelings of love also. Considering the following

--We are still not 100% clear if Cloud and Tifa lived together, how long they lived together, how close they were during that time, and it's pretty darn unlikely they slept in the same bedroom.

--Cloud currently doesn't consistently keep in contact with her. If he *has* feelings for her, it's a bit ridiculous how much he has retracted himself from her based purely on feelings of *guilt* for Aeris. He's willing to let Geostigma kill him, which means Tifa isn't enough to motivate him to fight it.

--People can spout all they want about the non-importance of side-games, but for the sake of what S-E would do, they should be taken into account. After all, I know quite a few people who assume from KH (and who haven't played FFVII) that Cloud and Aeris are a couple. They've been propagandizing them for too long, it would be a rather 180 to switch so suddenly to Cloud and Tifa.

--In the span of over 90 minutes, I am expected to believe that Cloud fights Geostigma, forgets Aeris, and decides to start over with Tifa?? Man! They're gonna have to do a hell of a good job to get me to believe that. It to me is on par to an Aeris ressurection. Has to be done well otherwise it will just not be believeable to me. I am of the opinion that Cloud and Tifa were never established in the game, and since I don't believe in them as a couple, it will come right out of left field.

So there are a lot of factors against Cloud and Tifa as well. It's easy to put them together, but is it easy to accomplish that well? To switch to Cloud and Tifa would mean *closing* Cloud and Aeris's relationship, and they have so far, not done that yet. I truly wonder if they will...

I agree with what everyone else says. :P B) :P

Clorith, cheap and unrealistic....meh, whatever. And I suppose that many Clotis are forgetting the fact that this is a game and that in the world of FINAL FANTASY there are secrets, monsters, summoning and magic. Sure, that is really realistic.
Its like saying, there are no such people in this world who continues to love their love ones who passed away and believe in meeting them again. So, is that like saying they're losers and lost in their delusions? Because that is just so wrong and I believe that love can find a way after death. Death can't tear two lovers apart when their bond ties them together. Many cultures and people do believe in it. :P

I don't think it would be unrealistic at all. Cloud has not so much as smiled once at Tifa, or said anything happy. He didn't tell her or anyone else when he ran off, and Tifa just let him go. The only people Cloud can really talk openly about his emotions with are Vincent and Aeris. Vincent, because he can relate to him, and Aeris, because ... well, he could always talk to her, she is the one who opened him up. It's Aeris's voice that truly gives him the will to fight on.

Back to the point (I went on a Cleris tangent), Cloud spoke to Tifa, yes, but talking to her =/= love. The closest he got to her was carried her beaten body to safety, and then talking about Aeris as she recovered. He's obviously unaware of her feelings (assuming she still has them for him), and doesn't seem to care whether she has any or not. To go from this state that he's in --which we know must last AT LEAST a third of the way into the movie-- actually leaves less than an hour to create the bud of a beautiful, healthy relationship. When you factor in all the fight sequences etc ... not so realstic after all, is it?

Then there's the Cleris factor. Cloud has Geostigma, a deadly disease that is slowly killing him. He is dying already. He wants to meet and be with Aeris, so this would seem to be the logical path, since he's already heading down that road.

Cloud could also find a way to meet Aeris, like he promised he would at the end of Final Fantasy VII. I particularly like Aly's kissing idea ... I can't get the mental image out of my head! It may not be likely, but here's for wishing!! :D

Aeris could be resurrected as well. I've heard Clotis yapping about so-and-so (it changes every time I hear it) saying that bringing Aeris back would be out of the question. I don't know whether this is true or not, it very well may be, but I've been given no links or proof of any kind, so as of now I'm going to dismiss the statement. :rolleyes:

I've been wondering whether maybe she'll come back for a short period of time, during the fighting or something. I'm not sure, it's just speculation, but it seems plausible. Maybe when she left she could take Cloud with her? :unsure: Ugh, just a theory ...

Very good thoughts, everyone! I completely agree. :rolleyes:

In Nomura's last article on the Shinra website, he also stated that scenes had been revised. For all we know, those insinuations that Cloud may have been living with Tifa have been taken out or revised.

I've heard Cloti's say things like, "if Tifa would only tell Cloud how she feels". The thing is, Tifa has told Cloud how she feels. She tells him under the Highwind, regardless of which version of the scene you get.

Well, one reason why I play FF is BECAUSE it's unrealistic. The Fantasy part in the title should be a big clue, as to: this game is a fantasy. It's a break from all the real crap going on around you.
Anyway, to say Aeris being resurrected is unrealistic clashes with the whole fantasy part of the game, or how often do the CloTis see a blonde hunk walking down the street with a big ass sword? :lol:
If Cloud dies, it would be both beautiful and tragic, but as long as he's with Aeris where he belongs, I'll be happy.

Wow, I never thought of that.I've always wondered what the meaning of the title was.:lol:

I guess that goes to show that a person's imagination can go a long way if it was given the chance. :)

For me, if Square chooses for Cloud to die to meet Aerith or brings her back for Cloud, or whichever way they see fit to bring them together, I'll be glad and accept it. I'm sure they would want Cloud to be reunited with Aerith as much as we do. Besides, Cloud x Aerith was to be the main couple of FFVII anyway, right? :ph43r:

Well if CloudxAerith is unrealistic, what makes CloTi? the childhood friends thing have been used billion of times, and the CloTis think it's original? Besides since we all agree that Final FANTASY has some unrealistic stuff in it, isn't that good? Besides what about Tifa? *sorry* her B-s are kinda unrealistic too. Maybe the CloTis find CloRith to be unrealistic because they're relationship is REALLY just that beautiful, and things that beautiful can never exist. =O

YEAH :gift:

If Cloud did love Tifa, I'd imagine him to be around her like all the time. In AC though, he doesn't seem to be concerned about her at all. He's more focused on his 'mission', save the planet, get my revenge?? and get forgiven state. He's probably trying really hard to get to the Promised Land, like what he intended to do in the end of FFVII.
if Cloud liked Tifa, Square should have at least HINTED some things. But they didn't!!! Why??? **fake :cry: ** (optional stuff /CloTi mind not counted )

Correct, dear!

I'd say that Cloudx Aerith is much more realistic than CloudxTifa as for one thing, there's more to love than childhood friends and such. I know that sometimes being childhood friends does bring two people together but doesn't if one has been cruel or ignorant to the other.

This fact really makes wonder how the Clotis come up with all the reasons that Cloud is better with Tifa than with Aerith. Are they just ignoring what they see or what?

I pity some people, especially when some of us have to explain that FF games are unrealistic. A story in which Aeris is somehow revived sounds way more mysterious and intriguing than a story in which Cloud gets with his childhood acquaintance because she just happens to be there. If this isn't dull and cheesy, I don't know why Aeris' revival would be considered so.

Anyway, Clotis who believe that Tifa is better for Cloud are ignoring what is most important: Cloud's own feelings. People tend to forget that in deciding what's best for him, we should be looking at this from his perspective. Sure, we silly fans can daydream all we want about who he should get with, but when it comes down to the true storyline, it's only Cloud's feelings and decisions that matter. His decisions and feelings were pretty clear during the final FMV, no? KH and Tactics should have clarified his decisions for those silly Clotis who'd been unclear at the end of VII, but gaah...I won't even go into this. Some people never cease to amaze me.

Nya:

Exactly, Nya. Cloud and Aeris's story is a very emotional and beautiful one...and AC would have an excellent storyline, drawing it's fans in and leaving them with an emotional impact, if it decides to continue their story. I'm not sure I'd be impressed with a "Cloud moves on with Tifa, the girl who happened to survive" story. <_<

Exactly, right.Hades'{angelic}daughter :winner: :winner:
If its all one sided, how can you vouch for the other person? You can't. Its quite sad if the other person has no say in it. Its like deciding for your first date or your wedding. You need both inputs from both partners. If you only have one input, how do you know that the other is happy about it? You don't.

Why is Cloudxaerith unrealistic? This game is unrealistic in many ways. There's no monsters nor can people used magic. Its in a fantasy world. :lol: Being childhood friends doesn't automatically sums up that its realistic. This game is like any other game that is played. Cloud and aerith is just as realistic of a couple that can be. Losing your loved one and staying devoted to them. Realizing that you loved that person but fate was cruel to you.....oh, the list go on and on. Its really an ordeal that many people face. Even in this real world, people just don't know how they ended up with each other or came to love one another. They could give stories of how they first met or something to happen for their meeting. But its like a feeling inside of each other that brought them together and it holds their relationship together.

I'm an open minded guy, I know that each person has its own perspective, and that's one of the beautiful things of humanity. But, when someone can't respect others people point of view (even if it's wrong), then that person becomes a close minded, and I have seen a lot of close minded Clotis fans, I'm not saying that there aren't close minded Cleris fans (because there are), but I think that I've been in so many FFVII forums, to say I have seen that most of the Clotis fans are much more close minded, almost every Clotis fan disrespect our (Cleris fans) points of view.

I don't think that CloudxAerith is unrealistic, primarly because as you have already said the game's not based on a real enviorment, I think that the game's name (Final Fantasy) explains us this. There have been so many famous, philosphers, and writers that have said that love trascends over averything, even death, I think that so does Cloud & Aerith's love. Also just think of it, it is Cloud & Aerith's "imposible" love what have made FFVII a so controversial and complex game, Cloud & Aerith's love, is debated by the Cleris fans, as well by the Clotis fans, even if the points of view varies, is the most debated relationship.

I have also seen, that many people say that the Love triangle hasn't been broken yet, because SE, or the FFVII development staff, know that wichever Cloud's love is, some fans will be dissapointed, but let me tell you this, if Shakespere would have asked to the people if they would have wanted to see Romeo & Juliet die at the end, the story would have been as deep and as touching as it was? When you write a story it's your own point the one that counts, you don't write stories to make people happy, you write a story and see how people reacts to it, that is what have made many of the Masterpieces writen till now, what they have become. The FFVII plot writers should know this, and write the story, and lead the Love Triangle as it best fits the story, and as far as we have seen (saying this not as a Cleis fan, but as a guy that can see what real love is) Cloud and Aerith are the true couple, between the three members of the Love Triangle, they are the only ones that compliments each other, and that takes the best out of them.

You make a good point, Clerith-son. I wish that SE would show who they intended that Cloud love. Haven't KH and FF Tactics have already shown us? Unfortunately, the Cloti's still find that arguable. <_<

However, Nomura said something in one interview about how the AC team had decided not to contradict the interpretation of the game held by different players. Along with that statement, he said something about how there are so many different interpretations of the game. Those statements make me think that they will leave AC open to interpretation rather than giving us a final answer.... unfortunately. :(

I'd give you a link to those statements, but AC.net has changed it's servers, so my links to Nomura's interviews no longer work. :(

I agree with Mr. Testuya Nomura, in not giving any final words on the Love Triangle or any other mystery of FFVII, at least that's what I would do. See, if they told us which of the two girls of the Love Triangle (Aerith or Tifa), he's gtoing to choose, wouldn't it make some people (Cleris fans or Clotis fans) less interested in watching the movie, since what they belived in, wasn't what SE decided? Also if they show all of their cards, specially reveal the true couple of the Love Triangle, wouldn't it make the movie less surprising? See what we're doing know, we're exposing and debating our points, of what we belive that happened in the game (resolve its mysteries) and how the movie will be, Why? because we don't know for sure, what's going to happen. I think that they decided not to contradict the interpretations of they game, so that everything becomes clear in the movie and not before, the more uncertain the plot, the more interesting the movie turns.

But you know what, I’m irritated when Clotis tell us off for speculating about Cloud’s feelings and Advent Children in general. They keep repeating that we haven’t seen the movie yet so we’ve got no right to make inferences on everything we’ve seen so far. For example, the latest Cloti entries in the AC.net debate are basically skeptical of a lot of our interpretations: that there is an emotional gap between Cloud and Tifa; that Aerith is one of the primary reasons why Cloud is fighting(maybe even the main reason) etc. Ok, I know we haven’t seen AC yet, but SE has given us a lot of clues on the emotional state of Cloud in the movie, especially with regard to his relationship with Aerith. <_<
Besides, they’re just speculations…at least they are based on actual, reliable evidence and not on a movie ticket and a ridiculous theory of banging under the Highwind :rolleyes:

You know what, I think they just don't want us to get our hopes up and that they're so confident that AC is gonna be a Cloti movie and not a Clorith movie. But just watching the trailers and all,I'd say that they are the ones having the interpretations and not us.

I've seen Cloud's eyes in the trailers in the scenes when he's with or thinking of Aerith. Even in the scene where they are in the flowerfield, it's like his eyes can't believe it's her and wants to get a real good look but then he couldn't.

I maybe just speculating, but hey, atleast I'm not boasting that I'm right or wrong. I'm just having a personal theory of what may happen or not. They themselves have no right to bug us as they, too have not seen the movie . They are doing the same thing as we are and deny it when they bug us. That is so unfair.


:cleris:

We can't change that, they won't belive in anything that we say, since they have their own interpretations about the game and Cloud's feelings, and so as ours, ahould be respected. We as Cleris's have our very own interpretation for the game and Cloud's feelings, that's our truth, and he should belive in it, even if Clotis like to bash our ideas.

That's true, but why bash us when we're just doing the (sort of) same thing as they are? :unsure:

Well....That's sorta true. But the majority of the time,its mostly Clotis. Even non-fans who doesn't care about the love triangle or couple thing get bashed on by Clotis also. Its like, their word is LAW. Whatever they say must rule the world. I met a quite a lot of non-fans who are intrigue by the movie or interested but can't even say what they want without Clotis jumping at their throat and flame/bash them. At least the difference between both groups is that we're not boasting and flaming people and telling them to "Stop denying what's in your face, it's all about Cloud and Tifa because of ...this...and ...that". I gotton quite tired of hearing those words and some Clotis acting like they already saw the movie. <_<

Tell me about it, my brother is sort of acting the same way, but everytime I ask the guy at the comic store which I frequently go to, he boasts and says, "Kak, it's not out yet, I know for a fact as I check the website all the time," or something like it.
Ai... and nowadays he acts like I don't exist just because of a quarrel we had.

And if I surf in to any of the sites he goes to, he scolds me and says, "I've found this site first so it's mine, look for a different site!!"

sigh... I often wonder why he's like this and goes to such extremes to show that he's right. :(


(Uhm... 'Kak' is short for 'Kakak' in Malay which means = big sister.)

(But he dislikes to call me that just because he's bigger <_< )


Anyway, I'm glad that AC is coming out soon and I hope we get it as soon as it comes out :P .
:cleris:

(uh.. sorry if I went out of topic ) :(

Wow if someone ever said that to me id kick there ass (Sorry Off Topic)

Unrealistic my ass the name FINAL FANTASY then you know theres that using magic abilitey and summiong giant mosters at your will a Giant weapon moster created by the planet its self and Oh yea giant chickens that can walk on water and ride over any mountrain........Yea thats the more realistic than life itself

a clorti once said "Its my way or ill kill you" how true :devil:

Actually, Clotis also mock us for 'acting like we've already seen the movie' because of our interpretations that Cloud's motivation for fighting is Aerith, that he isn't living with Tifa etc. But our interpretations of AC have good basis from the scripts, trailers and the interviews with Nomura. When it's their turn to interpret what we've seen so far from the movie, they spout off stuff like "Cloud is living with Tifa", "Tifa is going to play a HUGE part in the movie", "Aerith is going to tell Tifa " without even giving a single shred of fairly stable evidence for their statements. And then they go on bashing us for making our on interpretations, when in fact, theirs are even more unlikely than ours. <_<

Well, at least we have a basis for our interpretations. But its not like we're forcing it on them and non-fans. Some of the non-fans I met actually like our group better. That's why I like our group better because we're not telling them,"Stop denying what's in your face" and calling them jerks...and so on and so on. That's the part I always get tired of hearing. You can't have a decent conversation without some cloti jumping in that conversation and using vague scenes and one-liners to proved that "Tifa is Cloud's lover...that's why she deserve him because they lived together and went under the sheet..." bleh... <_< And then clotis go spurting about nonsense that its Aeris's fault that's why Cloud and Tifa aren't together. I called that "flaw logic". :lol:

This is really silly. They are talking as if we're fprcing them, when we're not and making as if we're boasting. I agree that trying to talk with a Cloti about this matter would lead to that and bad things would be dumped on Aerith. But hey, why not just chit chat rather than trying your best to prove that you're right :P?