K do you guys know how the appearance of a wolf shows itself several times in AC?

The 1st time is in the begining when its standing by the sword.

The 2nd time, Cloud returns back to the church in the slums and discovers that Tifa was hurt...suddenly the geo-stigma gets to him again and he passes out. As things begin to brighten the wolf apperas by their sides.

The 3rd time is when Cloud dropped his cell phone into water at the forgotten city and then for a time Aeris says that she never blamed him for her death, not once, then suddenly the wolf appears again.

Then 4th is when Cloud died but then Aeris brought him back to the church in the slums and once again the wolf appears, then fades away.

Do you think the wolf represents the prescnce of Aeris? :aeris:

I've heard several things about that wolf...

1. He represents Cloud's quilts :unsure:

2. He represents Zack <_<

3. He represents Aeris and Zack :ermm:

I think the first one is the most possible explanation...

We've discussed this before and pretty much came down to the idea that it represents Cloud's guilt and is more directly tied to Zack rather than Aerith. Aerith's presence is shown with light and water while Zack, who is indeed an important part of Cloud, is shown by the wolf. Take, for example, the locations the wolf appears in. The wolf's first appearance is at the cliff where Zack was murdered. Pretty obvious. His second appearance is when Cloud and Tifa collapse in the church. The church, particularly that flower bed, was where both Zack and Cloud met Aerith. The third time was two perhaps confirm that Zack feels the same as Aerith does during the cell phone scene. The fourth is because Zack was present when Aerith raised Cloud from the dead. The wolf dissipates when the shame of Zack's death and the robbery of his identity comes to an end. ^_^ I hope I helped

:lol: lol it all makes sense now, ty both....I wished they had made it a little more understandable in the movie though <_<

The wolf symbolizes a heavy guilt or burden. It actually doesn't represent any one person. Tifa and Barret both wear wolf rings as well, and for each character, it symbolizes a guilt that is very personal to him/her. Those guilts were all explained in CoT. Cloud's guilt was that he'd let certain people die, Aerith's death being the one heaviest on his heart. The wolf in the church, IMO, had nothing to do with Zack. It was there as a hint of Aerith's presence. The third time it appeared (at the Forgotten City) marked the place where Aerith died. It appeared the fourth time to disappear away completely after Aerith healed Cloud and "brought him back". It shows that Cloud has been healed of his guilt. While it doesn't symbolize anyone, the wolf(guilt), in Cloud's case, actually has more to do with Aerith than Zack.

I think Aeris is associated/ symbolysed by water and the angel, and Cloud's guilt by the wolf. And I remember a very lovely part of the movie... When Aeris brings the rain to fall ( Great Gospel ? ), we can see Cloud smiling to the sky and closing his eyes while the rain runs on his face. In a way, I think it's a lovely contact between Cloud and Aeris ( maybe i'm crazy but I think this part is really tender... it's like Cloud wants to feel her or... kiss her * crazyyy :woot: *, and he's so peaceful * beautiful :D * ).
There is no specific symbol for Zack I think, if we see the wolf on the cliff its Cloud's guilt, at the forgotten city its Cloud's guilt, when he collapses while Tifa is injured its Cloud's guilt ( because he wasn't here to help her I think, but I notice the great presence of Aeris too in this part with the water drop, the flowers, the light and the music... )... In short, the wolf is Cloud's guilt and he disappears only at the end, when Cloud understands there is no reason to blame himself ( thanks to Aeris and maybe because of the battle against Sephiroth ).

I would think that the wolf symbolizes a specific and constant guilt, not just any random guilt that happens to pop up along the way. Also, notice that the wolf only appeared AFTER we saw the water droplet and heard the water theme. Not just that, but it appeared with the combination of white hazy light and shots of the flowers. IMHO, it didn't symbolize Cloud's guilt over Tifa but, rather, it symbolized Aerith's presence along with the water, music, flowers, and white light. We all know Cloud's guilt is most heavily associated with Aerith's death.

It could also symbolize that he has taken the "lone wolf" approach and tries to be strong by himself. There is so many symbological ways that the wolf means that it's not even funny.

^ Well...so do you think Tifa and Barret have also taken the "lone wolf" approach too? I'm just curious as to your thought on that.

The wolf can be interpreted many ways by fans. However, the truth behind the wolf and the symbolism associated with it is that it symbolizes a burden deep within Cloud's psyche. In other words, it is the sorrow and guilt associated with the deaths of Aerith and Zack. That was confirmed in Reunion Files.

It is also interesting that both Barret and Tifa also wear cloudy wolf rings. I have always thought that this was a symbol of their guilt and sorrow over the destruction and death caused by them when they were associated with AVALANCHE. And, when Cloud gives his ring to Denzel... is it because he feels partially responsible for the death of Denzel's parents (due to the actions of AVALANCHE while he was a member)?

Not in a sense as Cloud has. Cloud has pretty much shoved everyone away. Tifa nor Barret has. Plus, I don't know if you remember, but look at Tifa's hand after the fight schene with Loz. You might find something there that ties her to one of the characters.

EDIT: I forgot about those files. >.> But then again, it wasn't Cloud's fault that Aerith died. Sepiroth (Even if I still think about it today, I get that urge to bounce Sephiroth's head off of a granite wall) was the one that done it, not Cloud.

I guess I'm just not very clear on what you mean. Who is she tied to?

What, other than her ring? :mellow:

I think she was tied more with Cloud on a more "personal" level. Then again, I could be very offbase.

:ermm: I dont think that the ring ties Tifa and Cloud in a more "personal" level. Barret, Tifa and Cloud have the ring. Cloud doesnt wear it because he gave his to Denzel. in AC we can see Denzel have the ring around his neck. I found this information on one of the forums in FF.net... so there you go!! Just clearing that out. :D

Yeah...what neocolors07 said. I don't see how she could be tied to Cloud on a personal level by that ring any more than she could be tied to Barret. I pretty much saw that scene, the one showing her ring when she slammed her hand down on the bed, as a scene where Tifa is pretty much "slapping Cloud in the face":

"I have a heavy guilt too, but you don't see me giving up on everyone. Why should you?!"