I believe that he is considered the best villain ever in the FF series!!

He is the one that killed the most beloved character in all FF series (at least my most beloved character :aeris: ).

YET! I can't get myself to hate him!! :dunno: I just can't!!

Do you all Cleris fans hate him?

I mean he is HOT!!! ANd I really think that when he killed Aerith it was Jenova who had the control!!
Please tell me , am I the only one that feels that way?...... :(

:sephy: :wub:

Well...this is a tough thing to me. I like him some but I am by no means a freaky fan girl. And I don't dislike him because of his murdering Aerith either. People die so she is just among the countless others to fall to his blade. My problem is how lame he is. He was ultra attractive and the super human soldier. He's every idiotic fan girl's wet dream. And I have grown to almost disdain that. One can't say much for his personality. It all depends on which Sephiroth you are dealing with. The human one who destroyed Nibelheim was not completely bad but confused and ultimately brain washed. I mean, he showed a level of kindness to fellow SOLDIERs Zack and Cloud. "What's it like to return to your home town?" The fact that he KNEW where Cloud was born speaks shades about their relationship. But when he read the logs in the Shinra Mansion library he was easily swayed into believing that the humans had destroyed his people. Now as for 00 Sephiroth he was something of a different beast then Human Sephiroth. 00 had something of megalomania and a more severe case of Sephiroth's confusion when he burned Nibelheim. So 00 was far more sadistic in some ways due to the fact that he had the original Sephiroth's anger and strength but lacked his human bonds. I would like to point out Human Sephiroth did not kill Zack or Tifa. He stunned them. The same goes for Cloud until Cloud would not stop trying to defeat him. Perhaps he had wanted to spare at least them. He slayed most of Nibelheim because they were the humans who killed his race and he had no connection with them. So maybe I should say I don't approve of his appearance but Human Sephiroth was a good guy. As for 00 he was kinda stupid.

My immediate reaction is "Ugh! OVER HYPED!" I'm so sick of hearing about Sephiroth, and how obessed fangirls are with him that it's hard to be objective.
I'll try though, I'll try. He's definiatly a well written villian. He's got a concrete back story and good motivation, so I'll give him that. As a character though, I can't like him. He's a freaking murderer who's willing to destroy an entire planet just for his own selfish needs. He's no one to be idolized, respected or loved. And the fact that so many girls are in love with him worries me

Are you calling me an idiotic fan girl? <_< Well I can't really say you're wrong...
I get a little idiotic when it comes to Sephiroth but what to do? :lol:

Anyway I don't think he is the average stupid guy, He is actually cool all the time and as Tifa mentions quite cold.

I don't find that to be such a bad thing... :ermm: Cloud was cold and distant at times, Squall most of the times but still I prefer the cool and cold type of villain to the insane and lol-all-the-time type.

I guess we will find more things about his character before Nibelheim in the new games(Crisis Core, Before Crisis, Last Order ...)

As for his character I think they suspended him for Cloud's sake, he already gains attention by being a half-developed character...

1. I never accused you of any thing. ^_^
2. I never called him an average stupid guy. My words on Sephiroth were to say that I enjoy the original human Sephiroth not the clone.

Sephiroth is incredible over rated. I am with Sefie. This bizarre idol worship of a man who is screwed up and just happens to be a pretty boy is a little shallow. I mean to say it is good if you like him while appreciating every facade of who he is BUT if you only like the fact that he is uber strong and a looker then that is a bit sad. And this isn't just Sephiroth either. All characters should be liked for the personality and position rather than their looks. I'm a huge Prof. Hojo fan girl and I gotta say...he's a pretty fugly guy.

Sephiroth is overhyped. Mainly I feel this is due to his looks and the fact that less informed people can blame his even actions on others.

Personally, I like the character. You have to remember though, he IS the badguy. That's his role. He's not a guy that you're supposed to look up to or admire. You should want to beat him. He's the type that you should love to hate.

Now, by himelf, he's actually a rather intresting character. When you see him in the flashback in FFVII, it's obvious even then that he's not a very well adjusted person, and his fall from grace worked because of that. It read as a more violent version of "Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family."

However when people look at Sephiroth typically they over look the most basic details.

First, he's wrong. His entire plan is based around a completle misassumption and therefore every action he takes is completley meaningless.

His plan is very poorly concieved and thought on, semingly existing more to cause pain and suffering than to actually accomplish anything, and while he did supposedly have a goal, there wasn't much of a reason, even in his own head for him to be doing half the things he did. Essentially, while he may have acted cool, he was almost completley mentally unbalanced.

Even by FF villian standards though, he should rank that high. While true, he did kill the main female love instrest, he was one of the few villians that didn't even for a moment see their goal accomplished.

Garland survived his own death and created a time loop.
Kefak ravaged the world and became it's ruler.
Kuja destroyed a world.
Ultemica compressed time.
Sin terrorized the planet for generation after generation.
Seymour ... ah who cares about Seymour.

The point is, Sephiroth wanted to really hurt the planet and gain godhood. he didn't.

I don't like him. He's not a very impressive villain for me.

Most of the game depicts him as raving lunatic who wants to please his mommy. That sounds so gross and wrong. The thing he went insane over isn't even true.

His final form is fruity. Tentacles is such a hentai thing.

I did sort of like his KH counterpart though. He has a cool and nil thing going on in there.

And no, I don't hate him for killing Aerith. He'd probably kicked himself for letting her get powerful, actually.

I find him over-hyped and his brand of villain overdone.

Kuja is far more interesting to me. The guy wears a purple thong with confidence--do you realize how hard that is to do!? XD

I like Kefka more. Kefka was just pure 100% nuts and didn't pretend to be anything else.

I loved Weigraf from Tactics. That guy had a purpose at first (avenging his sister Miluda, freeing the people from the oppressive monarchy) but goes mad when he gains the power of the Zodiac stones Aries. Plus he wasn't designed to be a looker. He had a classic knight hair cut and a sort of pudgey face.

That is another thing I like and don't get me wrong...I like beating Sephiroth because he makes you want to beat him!! In spite of that I still think he is the best villain and the one that has that arch-enemy thing that most of the bad guys you mentioned don't have!

I think he is one of the reasons FFVII's story is still being used to create new games! Think about it! From what I know he is the only bad character of FF that has been used in other games ( I'm not including Seifer in KH2 because he is not considered the arch-enemy of Squall in FFVIII ). Square knows that along with the development of Cloud, Aerith, Tifa or any other character, the fans want to see his development too! They feel the need to include him even if he is used as nothing more than an opponent, a challenge for Cloud! That's what makes him special...

NecoDono I know you didn't accuse me, I was just kidding!! :lol: I haven't played Tactics though I intend to...

Also I'd like to say you have me all wrong! Sephiroth is very impresive and extremely good looking , BUT!!! I wouldn't like him if he was someone else in character (at least not as much as I like him now)! I like his cool status and his quiet character ( I also like his voice..). I would have liked him even if he had a different appearence!

Inuyatta's comment on Kuja's thong is interesting.... :sweat: Don't get me wrong , Kuja is one of my favorite characters-villains( I loved his palace! )

As for Kefka... I didn't find him interesting, sorry! I liked his final form though!

I'm going to have to disagree with that. I don't think they've developed his character at all since FFVII. Advent Children didn't deepen his character even in the slightest. He's almost exactly the same; only difference would be the amount of pixels and polygons put into him. =P

Even the upcoming Crisis Core wouldn't be considered "developing" his character since it's in the past. KH and KH2 don't really develop his character and even if it did, they've stated that the KH universe has nothing to do with any of the Final Fantasy games.

Other games such at Ehrgeiz and Dissidia are obviously not games for Character Development.

And Ii would have to agree that Sephiroth probably is one of the more overhyped villians from the FF series. Of course I would have to say that Kefka would be just as overhyped as well. Only difference would be Old School 2D SNES fans and Newer School 3D PSX fans.(For the most part anyways) They were both crazy. Sephiroth was a mommas boy and kefka was a clown that pushed statues to tailspin the world into chaos.

The funny thing about Sephiroth was that he could have handed over holy to Cloud and actually obtained all the power that he was aiming for. Holy and Meteor would clash, Aeris and all the dead stuff would come to save the day in the form of lifestream, and Sephiroth could have absorbed them all.

Hmm... actually. In MotP didn't Aeris state there was like a forecefield in the lifestream that Sephiroth was supposedly in? Then shouldn't Sephiroth have been able to absorb all the lifestream from where he was at that time? Maybe I'm missing something here. This is what happens when I think too much. I end up typing longer than I plan and forget what my original post was supposed to be about. o.O;; I'll just end it here.

I disagree, by development of character I mean the player to experiense new facts about a person, to know new things about ones personallity. And that is what I expect from Crisis Core.

In KH and KH2 Sephiroth is used as Cloud's dark side, Cloud's opponent once again. He is not one of the main characters, he's like a guest of a guest character (cloud)- But he had to be included :plot:

What I'm trying to say is that he is very important for Cloud's story!

He is a part of him ( a dark one ), like Aerith, like Tifa, like his friends and family. But most importanly he is a part of Cloud, like Aerith is a part of Cloud. For me they (Seph and Aerith) represent Cloud's bad and good memories, feelings, emotions, side.

As for Ehrgeiz and Dissidia I have to agree! No development! :lol:

I wouldn't say that would be development. Since it's in the past that would be more like adding "depth" to a character. Development is just that. "Development"... In other words "Growth". Growth doesn't happen when you learn about someones past. Basically if someone were to learn something new or change in some way it would be considered Character Growth and/or Development. Learning about someones past would be something completely different. =)

Well... <_< I guess you're right MistaCloudStrife ...

I used the wrong word!

Really sorry! :lol: My english suck!

Still I think you understand what I'm trying to say!
We get to learn more about him, about the person he was before Nibelheim.

No, I think Crisis Core can develop Sephiroth.

Because it can tell us what Sephiroth was like before he went nuts. Everyone knows what nuts Sephiroth is like. The sane version, however, we know a great deal less about.

Again, I believe that goes under the "Depth" category. Depth is added to his character since we learn "Why he's this or that way" or "Why he did this or that".

AT that point, you're just spliting hairs.

Not really. It may seem like it in this situation but I've been involved in a couple debates about the difference when it was related to anime and character grown involving certain ones like Naruto and such. It was actually a pretty big issue. >_>;; Guess it just stuck with me.

I don't like Sephiroth, but that has nothing to do with the fact that he killed Aerith. I just think he's an extremely overrated character. I must be the only girl who thinks he's psycho looking and NOT hawt. Plus, well, I find him boring and uninteresting. :P

Kefka FTW!

It's quite a surprise for me but no you're not the only girl who doesn't like him!

As for the "psycho looking" well, he IS the bad guy! It's all about taste anyway... ^_^ I like him! you (and many others as it seems... :dunno: ) don't.

It happens!

Wow, it seems that I'm in with the over whelming majority. And I always thought everyone worshipped him. At least I know I'm not alone now. :lol:

Yep! It seems that way! :)

But wait.... <_< ..... Am I the only one that likes him? :no:

hmmm well seph is the most badass villian ever and not just from a ff standpoint don't get me wrong i would kick him straight in the nutz for what he did but still walking through fire just makes you cool. I mean that fmv is like the most used in all ff7 amvs and it's still not old. and the death of aeris when his sword was in her back I was like who do I look at cry for aerith or look and be mad at seph. I could'nt believe what had happend my mind was going in circles so much i lost the battle with jenova after her death I could'nt concentrate all I could think about was that evil basterd and what just happend. but thats seph messing with your mind he's both a mental and physical fighter one of the first villians to have both those traits.
so yeah to sum it up as far as being cool yes he is cool but as a enemy there is no opponent more worthy to battle

Would it help to know I was a Sephiroth fangirl when I first played FFVII? I got Vincent and found out about his backstory upon my first playthrough, and immediately the heartstrings got pulled. :lol: But when your taste for villainy changes, so do your favourite villains.

Anyway, I appreciate the irony in his character-- the supposedly greatest villain of the FF series, yet he was wrong about everything. He couldn't even kill Aerith right; he just made her stronger. :P And for all his posing as this great tactician and his masterful plan, he was essentially insane.

(BTW, I initially was on the "Sephiroth controlled by Jenova" wagon, but over the years I've come to prefer the "Sephiroth was 100% in control and a cruel murderer" idea. Although the first idea simply adds to his irony, considering his "puppet" taunting...)

I feel his character has suffered over the years, though. His character in FFVII was fine because it was limited to the game. But SE kept bringing him back, stretching him out without adding anything new to his character-- I guess the same could be said of Cloud in Kingdom Hearts, but I felt even Cloud had a purpose. Sephiroth is always just "there", waiting to be defeated by the player. After a while, I just tired of his character.

Hopefully, sane!Sephiroth from CC will shed some new light on his character.

Sephiroth, Sephiroth, Sephiroth...

I have rather mixed feelings about him; for one, he DID made me want to beat him senselessly, brutally and as sweetly as revenge can get.

His character itself, however, is a bit...of a mix to me. I initially like his character when younger, since the psychotic villains are interesting to figured out. But as time went on, I felt he became overrated after seeing the same ol' crazy Sephiroth. My opinion MIGHT change by CC, but that'll be for a while. Crazy is nice, but seeing a different side of him before he went nuts is good, too.

Oh and btw, I prefer Kuja, my first gender-deceiving, effeminated-looking, Shakespearan talking FF villain. :lol:

I couldn't agree more!! :D

Thanks! :huggle: It helps a lot!

I like Kuja too! As for the Shakespearian talking now that you mentioned it I think it is one of the coolest things on Kuja's personality! :fangirl:

YES. KUJA FTW. He's the one villian I would sex.

Well good for you! :fangirl:

I never thought Kuja would have so many fans! It's good to know someone else likes him too! :D

My brother used to say he looks a little TOO feminine... :angry:

It's 'cuz he's threatened by Kuja's sheer awesomeness, the effeminine look is just one part of his appeal. (Maybe we should open up a Club if there isn't any yet)

Anyway, back to the topic.

I'll try to see Vincent's backstory for myself (mainly because I was swearing bloody revenge on the Safe's locker combination), but heard of it. Until seen first-hand, I won't give my comment.

:lmao: Honestly, I don't blame Kuja for his feminity. Some how, it really suits is character. I kind of liked it on him. He was sort of homosexual looking with out it making my eyes roll or crack jokes.

Now that you mention this, I'm kinda guilty too :unsure: ....I dont hate Sephiroth, just hated how his way of life was and how he thought of the others, plus him killing Aeris was'nt a very good one on my list :no: ...During the game scene when she's praying no one ever really thought that Aeris's life would instantly end in the hands on Sephiroth's...It would have been better to imagine Cloud dashing in his way to save Aeris from her own demise :ermm: but of course nothing ever turns out the way you would want them too.

But, even after all of that I never actually hated Sephiroth either...I think that was just becasue he was cute :) ...idk he was just cute :angel:

I know what you mean, I can't hate him either! :sephy: :wub:

I love Sephiroth but I also know that he's the bad guy and he needs to be stopped at all cost! :P

:sephy: = :wub:

Just not as much as Cloud, Sephy might be the crazy guy and all, but I understand why he went a bit cuckoo in the head, I mean, wouldn't go a little bit mad after learning you've been lied to all your life? I know I would.

Eh...it's not that he thinks he was lied to. He thinks that he and Jenova are the last of the Cetra and that humanity wiped them out. So his thoughts are "Rawr! Must get revenge on cruel world!" :mad:

I liked Kuja's look. It was flamboyantly excessive and made just about anyonee that would look at him slightly uncomfrotably, yet he didn't flaunt it at all. That, combined with his arogant manner and his tendency to openly flirt with women and it all falls together quite well.

Neko, he thought he and Jenova were the last of the Cetra five years ago in Nibelheim. By the time the game actually takes place, he knows what Jenova really is and part of his true origins...and still manages to miss the whole point.
In my estimation, Sephiroth is a murderous psycho black hearted bastard, but one who, when you look over the backstory, had no choice but to become that way, which leads to much pity. Even if the SOLDIER mission hadn't taken place, sooner or later he would have found out about Nibelheim, and then same results, without a Cloud to toss him in the Mako reactor.

At least Sephiroth didnt look like Hojo :lol:

Hey but Vincint is really hot too~! :vincent: :wub:

Sephiroth doesn't look like either of his parents. Perhaps he gained silver hair from stress. Besides, I don't understand why everyone hates Hojo! Sure he's evil and unattractive but remember: HE IS OLD. His son would be about 35 to 37 in FFVII and I believe Hojo became a father in his middle years due to his appearance in DoC (maybe in the 45 -50 range). That would make Hojo high likely in his 80's! One can't blame an 80 year old for not being a stud. And as for evil, SO IS SEPHIROTH! Sephiroth kills tons of people with out regret! And yet it is okay to love HIM because he is pretty! GAH! Why am I the only person who defends this awesome character!? *pushes Vincent over* :mad: