i have been thinking, and....the ones who says that tifa and aeris were GREAT FRIENDS should read this:


it is true that aeris and tifa in the game seemed close, because if you had the two of them in your party, there are cases that they were friendly but...read this:

AERIS AND TIFA IN FF7:


1 - When Cloud meets Aeris and she knows about tifa, in the Wall Market, Aeris wants to help the girl.

"You have to go through the slum in Sector 6 to get to Tifa's 7th
Heaven."
"I'll take you there. Come on!"


She even do not know her but she wants to find her:

"This place is scary in a lot of ways. Especially for a girl. So
we've got to find Tifa fast."


Aeris encourages cloud to dress like a woman, she enters the mansion of don corneo, she do not seems jealous or angry because cloud has a friend, girlfriend, right? When cloud do not wanted to dress like a woman, aeris said:


"You ARE worried about Tifa, aren't you? Then come on, hurry!"

Now, let's go with Tifas reaction when she meets aeris:

Aerith
"...Tifa?"
"Nice to meet you. I'm Aerith."
"Cloud's told me a lot about you."

Tifa
"...And you are?"
"Hey you're the one with Cloud in
the park..."

Aerith
"Right, with Cloud."

Tifa
"Oh....."

Aerith
"Don't worry. We just met. It's nothing."

Tifa
"What do you mean, 'Don't worry'... about what?"
"No, don't misunderstand."
"Cloud and I grew up together. Nothing more."

So....whe see that tifa ws not very happy meeting aeris, i think she was jealous...

2 – When Aeris is kidnaped and they go to rescue her, and they are in prison, cloud and aeris will begun to talk saying something like “ cloud, so yo come for me….”
“ I knew cloud would rescue me….the date was only for a day, right? And tifa will react with a:

Oh, I undertand… ( she understand there is something with cloud and aeris…and she adds:

SORRY ( when aeris is embarased…)

3- In kalm, after cliud finished telling his story, aeris will say:

“ Sefirot..the ancients…and me….”
And Tifa interrups her with a “ lets go”

¡ She do not care about the cetra!

4- In the temple of the ancients, tifa is jealous about cait siths prediction….¡ she is stupid!

5- In Mideel, we can see that tifa is really selfish. She is only doing the trip to be near to cloud….she do not care about the planet, only about cloud…
If it was not because of cloud, she would not be here. Aeris, reaaly loved cloud, but she knew that the planet was more important than cloud…the planet, the people who lived in it…even cloud, it was a way to safe the boy…

6- when tifa talks to cloud in higwind she said that aeris was not planning to die, she thought she would come back…I think that tifa is saying that if aeris knew she was going to die, she would not have go to the ancient city alone and that is not true!

7- In the edn of the game, when cloud said that is in the promised and where he can meet aeris, tifa will say:

Yeah, lets go to meet her

US?? LETS GO US?? Cloud wanted to go ALONE!!

8- In case of Tifa, we see that aeris is still important to cloud and that tifa is jealous. When se discovered that cloud has a bouquet from elmira to the ancient city to deliver, she is nervous…and I think jealous. She do not react in agood way. When cloud is drinking alone, instead of understand that he wants to be alone, she get angry with him….¡ then drink in your room!

9- Then, she even is jealous about denzel because cloud cares about him more than about her. When she knew that cloud thought aeris had brought denzel to him, instead of being happy, he said that aeris had brought the child to them!!

10- The church was clouds place because it remindered him about aeris. Tifa said that he could not go alone, only with her!!!! It was aeris place!! It is the only place where cloud can feel the presence of aeris!! And she wants to aboid it?? Selfish!

11- “ A memory…..or us”

O, yes, cloud choose: the memory of aeris, leting her die, or us, the child and it. CHOOSE NOW!!
Don’t be stupid, cloud, aeris died, it was not your fault, but she is dead, we are alive so…choose us!!

Oh? But lots of that can be interpreted differently, and their first signs of meeting were, well, just that. They had just met.

What about when Aerith was kidnapped? Tifa was reaching out to her.

Oh, and what about in AC when the rain was falling, and Tifa was talking to the Aerith water droplet? "Somehow, I knew you were there. Thank you."

Truly, I see them as friends. : D

Certainly, there's tension. There's bound to between two women who end up loving the same man. But the two still manage to have their moment of friendship in the game (don't they poke fun at Barrett together?); they attempt to do so despite the tension. In the Maiden, Aerith doesn't show at grudge against Tifa because Tifa is able to physically help Cloud. At the end of AC, Tifa thanks Aerith for always being there for Cloud.

I think they would've been even closer friends had they had a romantic interest in different men and/or if Aerith would've survived. I like to imagine what the two would be like when they were childhood friends and Barrett was their teacher at school...Heh. :D

... my quote says it all.

I don't see them as the absolute best of friends, but I see them as the best friends that they could possibly be, considering that:

A ) They liked the same guy and were pretty aware of it. If that doesn't make things awkward, I'm not sure what does.
B ) They only knew each other for so long before prissy-boy :sephy: comes in and does the deed - not more than a couple months.

Yes, Tifa shows signs of being jealous, but so would you if some outgoing, pretty girl came in and started majorly hitting on the guy you've liked for a while. I think they both did an admirable job of putting their feelings for Cloud aside and forming a kind of friendship.

Given a couple more months, I think they could have forged a deeper bond, though the what ifs are interesting. No matter how much she liked Aeris, if Aeris had lived and entered a more serious relationship with Cloud, I don't think Tifa would take that well. I mean, I don't think she'd enter a jealous rage and go all psycho on Aeris/Cloud but it would have definitely hurt their friendship.

Yay for being all rambly :whistle:

:ermm: Im hearing very good strong points from both sides of this topic but I guess that also goes with saying that I think everybody's viewpoints depended on who they admired in the game and in AC more....Like I agree with how Tifa never really liked Aeris at all, even though we all know that Tifa and Cloud were best friends, but thats just it....Maybe Cloud thought that they were only best friends and maybe he thought Tifa never really intended for there relationship to go any further than that (you know how guys are :whistle: :) ), but not unless she actually had said something that hinted Cloud of having a relationship, I think Cloud would have gotten that message.

So if Cloud really loved Aeris more than Tifa, that just goes with saying that he admired Aeris's feelings more than Tifa's...I think Cloud knew that he didnt have to choose, he already just knew...and somewhere down the line I'm sure he also knew that Tifa was jeolous but just because she was jeolous would'nt stop him from being with Aeris. If Cloud was truly in love with Aeris, he would never leave her side or hurt her :no: . And as we can see, in the game and in AC, he deeply cared about Aeris. I mean, he lived in the slums in the church where him and Aeris met for the first time (ever since her death in the video game :cry: ). If he never had the least bit of feelings for Aeris or even loved her for that matter, he wouldnt of just LIVED there for 2 years and not say something to anybody...

But there are definitely scenes from AC where I see some intense jeolously slipping out of Tifa....For instance, in the begining when Tifa gets a call at her new bar still known as 7th Heaven, she mumbles to herself "He's not here anymorrre..." <_< as if to say he's not here he's being stupid and childesh living and mourning for someone who's not alive anymore....on her part, she has no right to think that way, no matter how old Cloud is, he's a grown man and truly respected Aeris, but that to me was a sign of true love and a sign that he misses Aeris so deeply, that yes he does feel guilty and ashamed of himself, but what other better way to show how he feels instead of running from the truth and ignoring his own feelings for Aeris :huggle: ...Cloud still cared for his friends, just loved Aeris with all his heart and Tifa needed to understand this if Cloud was her so called best friend

A lot of that can be viewed differently, but I do agree that in the very beginning when they met, Tifa was rude to Aerith. Because Tifa has feelings for Cloud but isn't as blunt as Aerith is about them. They weren't really "great friends" or even "best friends". But they were friends. No more, no less.

I idn't see any hint of Aeris's influence in that part. It just seemed she was more fed up with people asking for Cloud when she had no clue where he was or if he was coming back.

It has been confirmed by Square Enix that they were friends and a special tribute scene for their friendship was even put in Advent Children. They were friends and they cared about each other very much. Seriously.

I don't have the time right now to go into a huge spiel about it but Tifa liked and trusted Aerith to look after Wedge and Marlene, she was outraged when Tseng had Aerith and Hojo treated Aerith like an animal, she cried and was angry at what Sephiroth did to Aerith and she thanks Aerith in Advent Children.

For the record Aerith is my favourite RPG character ever so no I wouldn't say whichever character one likes most really has anything to do with it :P

Hmmm...Aerith and Tifa's relationship would most likely be what real friendship should be. But I guess, it would be natural for Tifa to get jealous on Cloud and Aerith, well, it is an involuntary feeling you get, but she didn't do or said anything 'I-wanna-kill-her-to-death-and-Cloud-and-I-would-be-together-forevah!!!' crap. They can't let guys and love life get in their way of being friends.

I think Tifa wants for Cloud to move on, but not to forget Aerith (Everyone didn't, that's where the pink ribbon goes in), Cloud is pretty much still haunted with his memories that he spends more time worrying over them than actually spending time with his friends, who moved on. Or, that's what I think so. It could be another way around. But I won't think it's selfish, as much as my biased-Cleris side would like to yell out.

:ermm: Hmmmm, idk....But as much as I wanna believe that Tifa admired Aeris, we still gotta remember those scenes from the video game which showed Tifa's obvious jeolously and I still think that if Tifa had adored her so much then she would'nt have come off towards her in that way...but yes, just friends as in a helpful (set aside feelings) for Cloud kind of way

It's possible to be jealous of someone and still be good friends with them. They were friends. Case of Tifa confirms as much.

I like ur explanation about Tifa's feeling toward Aerith. :lol:

I think the novella of the Case of Tifa really makes us come to understand her feelings to Cloud/Aerith even more. And After reading it more than twice, I almost feel pififul for her. After the long time of fighting jouney, she might possibly have stronger desire in building up a family relationship, than having love affairs.
Try to consider this, she bears guilt for those who died innocently in the war; of course it would be extremely happy to have the guy she loves to move on together. She still has feeling for Cloud, but she knows his heart is mostly captured by whatever relates to Aerith. That's why she worried Cloud so much when she finds the note of delivering a bouquet to the Forgotten City. She did feel great sorry for Aerith, but for her,it's much more important to take care of Cloud.
She would be jealous of Aerith, naturally; but Aerith also openly says that she's a little jealous of her in MOTP: ("You did it, Tifa. I'm a little jealous of you, but do take care of Cloud and upper world.")
I like the way these two girls treat Cloud-- they all comes to an agreement (though they never officially discussed it in the past) that "helping Cloud and making him happy" is more important than this love triangle.


However, (things I'm about to say below are my own Clerith ideas) Tifa always has little response from Cloud. She might feels:

1.Hurt: Although Cloud gave her tender support in the beginning of novella, not long after Strife Delivery starts, she feels the distance again. She says she wonders if living in the same house means family. She is not informed of everything as long as Cloud choose to be silent--- the motorbike, the delivery of a bouquet, the visiting to Curch. Even Denzel acts closer to Cloud.She is not even invited to visit the church together... I always imagine that if Tifa could "meet" Aerith in her consciousness too, she would cry for help...saying:"How dare u leave him like this for me?..." :P


2.Helpless: She wants to help Cloud but always fails, knowing not how to appraoch him. Cloud is clearly hiding emotions in front of her. I don't believe that Tifa didn't suspect the place Cloud might stay, it is because she knows not how to comfort him and persuade him to go home. Then she'd better leave this problem for her friend, Aerith. At this point, I admire Tifa. She knows Cloud needs Aerith's guidance, so she chooses not to interfere , chooses to believe her firend. All for Cloud's sake.


One last point about Cloud's hiding things from Tifa (sorry maybe I should discuss this in other board >"<)...I come to realize why Cloud's been kept distant from Tifa(especially when it relates to Aerith, his past pain..etc) Cuz he's not that blunt, he knows Tifa's feeling for him. He doesn't want to hurt Tifa by discussing Aerith(esp. when he thinks he may express his deep emotion) Actually, they both care about each other, but Cloud's concern would inevitably hurt Tifa.

Back to the topic, I also agree that Tifa's behavior to Aerith after the Game shows that she means no "I'm gonna get Cloud out of ya!"....Cuz she knows how Aerith means to Cloud. :fangirl:

I think this sums it up really nicely. Their friendship felt very natural to me - it wasn't perfect and there was some awkwardness and jealousy (especially at first), but that's not really unexpected when two girls are in love with the same man. It's not an easy situation to be in but both girls seem to make the best of it.

I don't think that either girl behaved rudely or unkindly towards the other, not even when they first met. They were just navigating their way around the awkwardness of both of them obviously being interested in Cloud, sensing that the other was too, but not wanting to blatantly say it.

Liking the same guy could have been a real block between the two girls growing close, but instead they form a strong bond very quickly - they're finishing each other's sentences ("There was no need..." "...To ask", "Unexpected..." "...Combination", etc), Tifa shows a lot of distress when Tseng slaps Aeris on the helicopter (running to the edge of the pillar, reaching out to her) and it's Tifa Aeris chooses to speak to before she gets choppered away, to reassure her about Marlene. They also talk to each other in locations like Junon and Cosmo Canyon, they tease Cloud and Barret on some occasions, and that indicates a genuine sense of affection and connection.

And what about Tifa's reaction when Aeris dies? She touches her face and runs off crying. That's so much more than her reaction for Biggs, Wedge and Jessie, and she seemed to be (at the very least) fond of all of those three.

Tifa doesn't try to comfort Cloud (like Barret) and doesn't cling to Cloud for comfort either (like Yuffie), so I think it'd be very difficult to accuse her of pretending to grieve just to be closer to Cloud. She runs off to cry alone. Her pain seems very personal, so I think her affection for Aeris ran very deep.

As for encouraging Cloud to move on, correct me if I'm wrong, but she doesn't know that Cloud is experiencing genuine visitations from Aeris at this point, right? From her perspective, he is burdening himself with an unhealthy amount of guilt and grief and seems to be doing himself a lot of emotional harm because of that, and he's not letting anyone reach out to him. She's worried about him. Of course she wants him to return her feelings and find happiness with her, but she also wants him to move on for his own sake too, and for the sake of people who put their faith in him (like Denzel and Marlene). But she isn't asking him to choose the memory of Aeris or her, she's asking him to choose between (what she views as) a past he can't change or a future where he could find happiness if he tried.

Both girls get a bit of bashing for their behaviour at the Temple of the Ancients ("OMG Aeris is an insensitive bitch for flirting with Cloud IN FRONT of Tifa!", "OMG Tifa is such a self-centered bitch for throwing a hissy-fit in front of Cloud and Aeris and trying to make it ALL ABOUT HER!"), but you know what I say...? So. What. They're only human (well, fictional humans). They're both imperfect, but they both care deeply for Cloud and their feelings for him don't get in the way of them recoginising that and appreciating each other as friends. Even if Aeris forgets about Tifa's feelings for a moment or Tifa can't react as gracefully as a Mary Sue would, even if they do accidentally hurt each others' feelings or create some minor tension because of Cloud, it doesn't stop them from caring for each other.

:bff:

Edit: I have to pimp this club now! :wub:

Regardless of who Cloud loves the most, Aerith and Tifa were friends, yes, Tifa wasn't really friendly with her at first but later on she did, and shows concern at times when Aerith was in trouble. Aerith, being her usual nice self, shows concern towards Tifa even though she haven't met her before (see how nice she really is). If Aerith lived longer, they could've been good friends. On the other hand, if its Cloud they're dealing with, that's a different story.

I think Aerith and Tifa as good friends, they may not be the best but they get along well and in the least, tolerate each other.
Tifa, IMO does show some signs of being jealous but she never let her feelings for Cloud, and Aerith's closeness towards him get in the way of their friendship.

There are so many great points on this topic~!

I have to say though, it is VERY difficult to use points from the Final Fantasy 7 English game translations as points because it was translated pretty poorly. A lot of the time the things characters said in English didn't quite mean what they were supposed to.

All in all, it's clear to see that Aeris and Tifa do have a bond of friendship- everyone in the group did really! Even if some were vague friendships. They were all fighting for the same cause and so were pretty close as they spent quite a bit of time with eachother.

That's not to say that they were the best of friends though. Ofcourse there will always be a slight jealousy between them- but somehow, I don't feel it's anything serious in that term.

Tifa tended to get quite upset with people easily. Sometimes with Cloud, sometimes with Aeris, and even sometimes with Barret. From what we can see in the English translations Tifa is quite a selfish person sometimes. It's natural really, some people are just a little selfish sometimes. (yey for no existance of Mary Sue's.. :P ) Though, sometimes Tifa's ways in FF7 would be a little annoying to me because of how inconsiderate it would seem. But, people will see this in different ways and so either dislike it, or not mind.

I think in many ways she was jealous of Aeris though, afterall she did come out from nowhere and start to change Cloud for the better- something Tifa couldn't do. And, I think that frustrated her a lot. Especially as she mentions quite a bit how she would like it if Cloud were different.

Aeris doesn't seem to have much of a jealousy towards Tifa, only when she'd ask if Tifa was his Girlfriend, but even then she'd be happy if you told her no. But then, I don't think Aeris had much to be jealous of because Tifa and Cloud didn't have the closeness lovers do.. but more or less a friendship which only really seemed to form before Cloud went off to join SOLDIER.



~YnA

Another thing to remember is that Aeris and Tifa (and the rest of them for that matter) basiclly had little choice about their company. They were travelign together for an extended period of time, which typically either brings people closer together or exposes all the problems they may have for each other.

Also, they weren't in a situation where they could just hang out and go to the mall or whatever. These people had to trust each other with their lives, which really builds strong bonds.

So true, Alan. They're constantly in intense and high-risk situations and you have to learn to rely on your teamates in times like that. You really come to value a person in dangerous moments like the group was constantly in, and in extreme situations you can very quickly form strong trust bonds with someone sharing the experience with you (that could take years to build if you everything was normal). When you're constantly saving each other's lives, pulling each other out of danger, healing each other when you're hurt and backing each other up in fights, petty disagreements and jealousy matters so much less. And for a long time, Aeris and Tifa were the group's only girls and that in itself forces a kind of closeness neither would have with the boys.

Most of the awkward/tense moments between both girls take place in Midgar, when they both still don't know each other very well, but they're still finishing each other's sentences even then. Afterwards, they're choosing to be in each other's company often, so I guess they managed to iron out a lot of the creases in their relationship.

I think when it comes to Tifa's "EXCUSE me" reaction in Midgar (which I'll admit was a bit uncalled-for), Aeris doesn't rise to that because she finds it easier to look at the big picture and is aware that Tifa came with the others to rescue her and got thrown in a jail-cell for her troubles so she's entitled to be a bit moody. It doesn't matter if someone bites your head off over nothing - if they just recently risked their life and freedom to try and help you, then that's what says the most about their character and how highly they think of you, not how patient or calm they are in stressful situations. ^_^

:bff: