I might sound crazy to you guys as you read on, but I beg you to please please please keep an open mind. And if by the end of all the information I've given you, you still don't believe, then I ask that you keep a good eye on your surroundings, watch the news and listen to what the government isn't telling you.

Alright, I'll start off by giving you a choice. These pieces of information aren't really new, but for those that have pieced it all together(And quite a few people have already) are all in a panic and are in the process of preparing for this "sure to come" disaster.

The choice I'm giving you would be similar to the Matrix. The red or blue pill. On one hand the information will change your view on your priorities and what to do with your life from now on, but right now may ruin your everyday life from now. And your other choice will be to not read and spend your days out living like you normally do. Please remember that you really might regret reading this post.

Please know that there will be quite a bit of watching movies and your own research to fully understand this entire situation. I've only done 2 days worth of research(with barely any sleep) but so far I've been freaked out really bad. I was debating whether or not to post this here, but I thought that I should. I will be deleting this post and requesting an admin or mod to close this thread if I feel I need to.

So I'll start now.

All of you should know about 9/11. In order for you to believe what I'm going to tell you, you're going to need to believe that 9/11 was set up. I know it's very hard to believe but I really do think it was. There's a movie created by 3 college students who obtained several videos of the incident. They basically studied what happened and came up with some evidence on 9/11 to show that it was set up. The movie called "Loose Change".

It's on youtube. If you plan on reading further, I suggest that you watch these videos first.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CDx1GLqvBO8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bBhnXztBVsE

Basically the evidence was that there were several government officials that constantly came in before 9/11 to deliver boxes into the basement of the twin towers. Also it should be impossible for the twin towers to fall straight down or even the lower parts of where the planes crashed to drop down. Sounds were heard below ground and felt like an earthquake. The buildings fell stright down as if it were a planned demolition, and small explosions were even seen off the sides of the buildings. If that wasn't suspicious enough, the government came to all businesses that had cameras that had records of the incident and confiscated them with the reason that they were going to study them. Yet after that the records were never seen again. Also the pentagon had a hole that didn't seem as if a plane crashed into it. The hole in the pentagon didn't have any damage that the wings of the plane would have created, AND somehow no parts/debris from plane were found at all. Kind of suspicious I would would say. Not only that but planes are all supposed to contain black boxes that hold recordings of what happened in the planes. The black boxes are created to withstand all sort of damage. Of course they weren't found at all either.

Anyway... You may be asking, why? Why would the government do this? I'll explain..

I'll tell you right now, oil the THE MOST valuable thing in the world. Oil right now runs countries. You need oil to make just about everything. Plastic, water, electricity, rubber, etc etc etc... Oil is needed for all of these.

As of now the US is the number one country that consumes the most oil per day. The US alone uses over 20 MILLION barrels of oil a DAY. Know that this amount is THREE TIMES more than China who is in the number two spot of using the most oil. Not only that, but we've already reached our peak oil.(Along with several other countries) Basically this means that our demand for oil is higher than our supply, thus leading to no oil at all. And no oil is very bad. Basically no oil is going to cause a depression.

Now the reason why they would set up 9/11. Now Afghanistan owns (I don't know the exact amount) from 1/3 to 2/3 of the worlds oil. Now if the US could somehow obtain this oil we would be set for quite a while. Now we can't just TAKE the oil from them without reason. If we just attack an innocent country there would be internal controversy within the US, which of course would be extremely bad. Now how would they go around to doing this? They would need to start a war. Now 9/11 is was triggered this war. Think about it. What exactly would Afghanistan gain from attacking the monster of the world. NOTHING. What would we gain? EVERYTHING. It's that simple. It was the US that started everything.

Now the depression IS going to happen to the US. And it's going to happen soon. very very soon. If you look around you, you should notice, even though the government is trying to cover everything up, you can't help but notice the small things like gas prices. You should also take notice of the worth of the American dollar. It's worth is becoming less and less every day. These are already signs that we are headed for another depression. The US has only so much time before everyone runs to their bank to take out all their money only to find that it's gone bankrupt and nobody has money anymore. It's only a matter of time until importation of good from other countries becomes extremely slim.(Remember that ships carrying freight run on oil) It's only a matter of time.

So I beg you to please take notice of this and act accordingly. It IS going to happen sooner or later. Probably sooner than later. There are so many factors I haven't explained yet, such as the baby boomers(The US doesn't have enough money to pay for all of their retirements) and other things as well.

I've read about a few things that we can do to survive through this depression. Some would be to save your gold and silver(because US dollars aren't going to be worth much, precious metals will), create a garden and grow edible plants, fruits, etc, and know that surviving is all about where you live.(The city won't do)

Again, please do your research and find your own answers.

Also if you have time(2 hours) watch this movie... It's a compilation of meetings with Mike Ruppert. He's been trying hard to bring everything to light, and this video will really help if you do believe that 9/11 was set up by our government.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4046564743329239954

Thank you for taking your time to read this. There so many other things that are going to change the world we know, but hopefully we can all pull through this. Again, thank you for your time.

I understand how compelling it is to believe 9/11 was a set up perpetrated by our own government. Personally, after all the shit George Bush has already pulled, I wouldn't put it past the bastard. But I don't believe it, and I have a number of reasons.

From everything I learned in physics, it's not impossible for the twin towers to fall the way they did. It's the way the building was constructed. It wasn't built with the thought in mind of "What if there is a giant explosion burning for hours with the incredibly intense heat of jet fuel?" It was built like a skyscrapper that is just a square column: four supports in each corner. A lot of people say that never before in history has a building collapsed because of a fire. This was not just a fire. It was JET FUEL. That's gonna cause some serious flames. You can tell just from the amount of smoke. I live about a half-hour away from downtown Manhattan, and we could see all the smoke by looking west. That's one hell of a fire.

If the supports just give a little, like they did, there goes one floor. And the supports below it can't take that weight. There goes the next floor. Simple, simple physics. Besides, they don't come straight down. You can see by the end that they start tilting to the side. And planned demolitions are always implosions. They don't fall apart on the outside, they fall apart on the inside so as to keep debris to a minimum. When you watch the videos of the WTC collapses, you can see the buildings come apart almost like a mushroom cloud. I've NEVER seen a demolition like that before.

I don't know if you ever visited downtown Manhattan in the middle of a workday over the summer, but the crowds alone make it impossible for me to believe that any explosives could be brought into THE WORLD TRADE CENTER for God's sake, what was one of the biggest tourist attractions in the world, and planted where people work everyday without a soul noticing.

If you still have doubts, I point you to this video of the first tower's collapse. If you watch carefully, it closes up right on where the plane hit as it starts to fall. You can OBVIOUSLY see the support bend inwards, and then the chain reaction begin. And those explosions you mention that come off the side? That's just air. It's just the air being pushed out from the force of the falling floors: every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

As for the Pentagon, I read several eye-witness reports that say those photos of "no plane wreckage" were taken after days of clean up. I read one testimonial of someone who said that the planes were there because they helped clean up the human remains.

I've seen Loose Change before, and I've seen everthing in it refuted ten times over. I don't believe that our government is completely honest about what happened, but I don't think it's some kind of elaborate scheme either to send our boys off to war. To pull off such a hoax, the most famous city on the planet, New York City, is not a good place to hope to get away with anything.

But as for the depression, that's actually something I do agree with. Capitalism relies far too heavily about doing what's best for yourself, and with the economic stress there is on natural resources, I can't see the world withstanding a global market for long. And if you pay attention to the stock market lately, you'll see all the same patterns from 1929 reoccuring now. Record highs, unbacked dollars, and a lot of unchecked hype. I don't know how soon it's coming, but it's coming. A widespread system of total greed can't sustain itself.

The movie Loose Change was only a small part of what I believe to be part of the whole conspiracy. Please watch the second movie. Don't you think with US' technology they would have noticed a plane going off course within a matter of minutes? And isn't it a little too convenient for hijackers to crash into the twin towers right when over 85% of the military aircrafts based in that area were in "training" out in several different areas. It should also be a little suspicious when Dick Cheney took charge as Commander in Chief just a bit before 9/11. Or even more suspicious that almost NOBODY followed their proper procedures while everything was happening.

I find it very hard to believe that it really was all an "accident" and that the US didn't just let those planes hit us.

But yes, the most important issue here would be another depression. Now if(more like when) it hits, the life we know is obviously going to change. Any sort of goods imported from other countries are going to be extremely expensive.

They've also passed a new bankruptcy law in which the government could at any time make those are in debt or owe money, work for it. Theoretically speaking, they could even start up Labor Camps wherein everyone who owes money would have to work it off for any amount the government chooses. Theoretically speaking, they could create prisons just for those in debt.

I would also like to get into "The Draft" as well but I don't have time right now. I need to leave. But our rights are being taken away as we speak, and we really need to be ready for the worst. That's all I really have to say right now.

You guys have basiclly sumed up what I've believe for a while now. I agree with Sadhana about the physics part and with MisaCloudStrife about the upcoming depression.

Actually I'm a bit offended by this since it wasnt Afghans who attacked or had anything to do with the terrorist attacks on 911. No Afghan was on any of these planes, and no afghan was trained to bomb America and no afghan work with Osama. The Taliban wasnt even Afghans, just mislead uncultured idiots from Pakistan and maybe Saudi Arabia, mostly Pakis. Osama went to Afghanistan why? Because the country was in crisis. Afghans were recovering from the Soviet War/Invasion which lasted about 20+ years and now this crazy group of iliiterate Pakis(Taliban) comes into power. The perfect enviornment for Osama to carry out his plans. But their were plenty of resisters, who were Afghan that kept Osama at bay and warned America about his plans up until Sep. 9 2001 when the main resister was killed.
Sorry for the rant you probably didnt mean it that way but I hate it when people say that Afghans participated in these activites when they didnt and in fact were trying to stop them.



Back to topic, I must agree with everyone. Well it is a conspiracy and I doubt we will ever truly know the truth. We all have our theories but none can be proven unless there is step to step precise evidence to support every event leading to 911.

With all due respect MistaCloudStrife have you read or 'researched' any responses to those two videos or to the notion of 9/11 being set up in general?

You've done research for two days. The attacks happened almost 6 years ago. You've had people researching the events and their relations to the US government and the Middle East for that time. That's not even to consider the tension between the two areas before the attacks. Now you're taking the word of college students.

Why accept their testimony over better informed, better authority sources? You might have good reason to if you've researched the other side of the issue but I suspect you haven't.

True, you might suggest that these organisations and opinions are just another part of the conspiracy. But in doing so you start heading straight down a slippery slope. If you won't accept their testimony then why do you accept the testimony of so many other things? Of history, chemistry, physics, politics etc? It seems that if you question the authority of these people you've also got to question the authority of the people who taught you the very things you're using to make said judgements on.

The point is that you simply don't know. Conspiracy theories generally put people in a position where something can't be ruled out but that's not good enough reason for anyone to believe something is true.

Do further research, look at replies to the evidence you've posted and then make an educated decision. And even then, do so within good reason and justification.

i've got more to add to this theres more to it than oil

http://www.truthessentials.com/

take a look I've reserched this since i saw it happen

i have a friend in the military 7 actually they told me about this stuff called [L.M.E]
Liquid Metal Embrittlement it weakens metals such as iron titanium steel copper and aluminum this is how they think it happend. my friends used it to make holes in fences for quick and quiet entrys, cut chain to length if no cutters were present. the stuff is powerful. think that over for a little while.
i knew right off it was bullcrap that the towers fell like a implosion a demolitions crew could'nt have done it cleaner. yes it is true fire could have melted the steel supports but not at the bottom and the weight of the top of the tower was not enough to colapse the building. and remember that flash of fire you saw shoot out the opposite side of the building that was nearly every drop of fuel burning off in a matter of seconds no fuel no extremly hot fire. because all the smoke you saw from the fire yes it was smoke and thats your hint smoke from fire is a sign the fire needs oxygen to burn no oxygen no hot fire. the things i listed here are just a sum of what i have learned these past years please take time to think about what is posted here in this thread visit the website above to learn more but please enter it with a open mind thank you sinceraly Marshall

Although the postulation of alternate theories can be insightful by providing different perspectives, the accepted theory is a sound one.

The first fact that must be recognized is that the Twin Towers collapsed in a manner that was not equivalent to a well-planned implosion. The World Trade Center's other five buildings (3 WTC all the way to 7 WTC) all eventually collapsed due their shouldering of fallen mass from the Twin Towers. Furthermore, a large number of buildings surrounding the WTC suffered moderate to significant damage from the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Also remember that the collapse of the upper sections of the Twin Towers only had to collapse/shatter their respective immediate lower floor. Similar to a "snowball-rolling-down-a-snowy-hill" effect, as the building collapsed downward, the mass of an entire floor would be added to the falling mass every 12.3 feet down.

The expectation for a more "violent" or "chaotic" collapse of the Twin Towers is surprising. The primary applied force on the buildings would be gravity, so the majority of the mass of the towers would accelerate toward the ground. (Although there was wind on that day, it was likely an insignificant force, even at the upper levels of the Twin Towers.) The giant expanding dust cloud would be largely the result of the collisional scattering of the pulverized concrete floors.

Another fact is that the U.S. has enemies, primarily in impoverished or developing nations where American foreign policy (rightly or wrongly) is often perceived as a major reason for their desperate situations. Without the ability to strike the U.S. using conventional weapons, it is conceivable for groups of extremists to seek alternative methods for attack.

I understand the mistrust of the current U.S. administration, but given past U.S. governments' overt and/or covert military operations, it was not a necessity for the 9/11 attacks to happen for the U.S. government to further national interest.

Besides, Afghanistan had no significant resources of interest to the U.S., resulting in its poor economy. Afghanistan's only major export is (unfortunately) opium.

As many would contend, Iraq, however, is a different story...

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Read. Maddox speaks for me.

Okay, I'm just going to give a pilot's perspective on the whole 9/11 thing:

The towers were built as what are called "framed tube structures." I'll just give a link to explain that one. To sum it up, these towers were built to resist lateral loads, NOT impact from a flying object. Adding to this is the fact that the planes used in the attack were, indeed carrying jet fuel. However, I'll elaborate on this one a tad. The fuel used in those airliners is called Jet A. What makes this fuel so dangerous in a fire is that it can burn at almost 1800° Fahrenheit. Now, heat like that can certainly weaken a steel beam or several, and that's all it would take for the unimaginable weight the beams support to cause them to buckle. When this happens, bam.

Now, the claim that all the fuel must've burned off instantly in that fireball that shot out the opposite side of the tower just seems farfetched. The aircraft used to hit the towers were Boeing 767-200s, which have, if I recall, three fuel tanks, if I am wrong on this it is at least two, I can guarantee you that. The fuel capacity is 24,210 GALLONS. That is a TON of fuel, and the chance of every drop in every fuel tank igniting just seems ludicrous.

On the lack of aerial response, this is going to be very subjective. One common claim to conspiracy is that no patrol fighters or anything intercepted the airliners. The biggest misconception with this is that the USAF has patrols going 24/7 all over the country. This is simply not the case, not in the least. Another thing is that ATC doesn't necessarily have all the information on every little thing. They are not all-knowing, all-seeing eyes of the sky that people assume them to be, nor are they the police force of the sky.

If I recall correctly, the hijackers had turned the transponders of the airliners off. Now, while this does not cause the aircraft to disappear from radar, it DOES cause ATC to lose a good bit information on the aircraft's flight. Also, though it is legally required in the USA to comply with ATC instructions unless an emergency exists, basically, if you don't follow their instructions, they're not going to send up a couple guided missiles to blast the plane out of the sky. Also, add in the fact that by the time anyone had figured out they were going to use the planes as missiles, nothing could really be done. It would just not be possible to get fighters into the sky in the minutes, and maybe less than that, before they figured out that the planes were headed straight for a designated target.


I'm done for now.

....Wow...this does seem possible however....we don't have enough proof to proove that the U.S. started the war...however...with some of the bills they've been making it seems to me that sooner or later we WILL hit another depresion....Another bill at the moment is also in the works of going up to Congress...again...The Orphen Acts Bill...which litteraly will strip all art in all forms of copyright...that alone will put a good percentage of people in a depression mostly artists........I swear the more I hear about this corrupt government...the more I can't wait to get out of this country....

I rly don't believe it was a set up. Everyone has to find some way to blame the goverment, they make it out like the thing is some other worldly being or something that can get away with anything and it's just not true. I've already read stories and watched videos made by outside sources (not the goverment) and they explained what happened. The reason why they fell perfectly was because they didn't fall down right away. The flames from all the fuel melted and aweakened the joints till the floors above became to heavy to bear and it crashed all down on itself. There is no magic or aditional explosions.

And they knew a plain flew into the pentagon because they don't just let plains fly around unknown... the thing was recorded, people and families lost their lives.... of course it happened.

And you say it is all for oil, and the goverment did it. Well that can't be because the terrorists already made videos confessing they did it, so that rules that one out. Besides, look at us now, the United States is on the brink of a depression. How is that going to help the goverment in the long run? Nothing about 9/11 helped the goverement. And if it did then why is Bush over in the Middle East begging them for lower gas prices?

The Osama bin Laden videos are flawed. The government gained the ability to oppress it's own citizens and lay the groundwork for NAU from 9/11. The central banks gained from 9/11. The Military Industrial Complex gained from 9/11.

Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel and their was molten steel and if the pancake theory were true the building would have taken longer to collapse.

Cheney directly told Norad to stand down and the FBI has over 80 tapes of the "plain" hitting but they have only released a few which don't directly show a plain. What could they be hiding?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9qEIlNVl5s

I love going to war protests and such, but sometimes I don't go because there's always someone who shouts and screams about 9/11 being an inside job. So I told myself I wouldn't respond to this topic anymore because 9/11 conspiracy theories just bother me, no offense to anyone who believes in them. The fact of the matter is though that these conspiracy theories are always based on independent research, and everyone here should at least realize the fault with independent research from the whole koiboto fiasco. It is selective, it is not fully informed, and most importantly, it almost always attempts to prove a point by manipulating certain pieces of evidence rather than looking at the evidence objectively and drawing a conclusion from there. That is NOT a scientific approach.

I've heard the bolded argument before, but it doesn't hold water. Those videos trying to prove that the physics of the pancake theory are impossible because of how quickly the towers fall? Bull shit. They "time" a video of a collapse, but what they fail to realize is that they are doing a very imperfect timing of a mere video. You can't see the entire collapse, only what was captured on film. Those videos show most of the building's collapse, but they don't show all of it because 1) there is so much dust and debris that it eventually occludes what's left of the building as it continues to collapse, 2) those buildings were f'ing tall and while it looks like you're seeing all of the building, almost the entire bottom half is not in the frame, and 3) all the dust and debris falling off the sides of the building from the collapsing floors makes it look like it's falling much faster than it actually did (the debris has fallen 10 stories while only one floor has collapsed, hence it looks like 10 floors have already collapsed).

The other option besides the pancake theory is that the diabolical leaders of our 200 year old free republic decided they hated those frigging towers, and blew them up demolition-style so they could spend 3 billion dollars building the Freedom Tower. Use your logical mind. Do you really think that every time they demolish a building, they have to spend EIGHT MONTHS cleaning it up? No. Because this was not a demolition. To quote my original post:

As for the Pentagon...

Oh, so the evil masterminds in our government decided they were going to hit the Pentagon with a missile instead of a commercial airplane and risk having thousands of eye-witnesses who were in Washington DC that morning? That makes sense. And what about those who volunteered to cleanup the Pentagon and all their first-hand reports of having found airplane and human remains?