Okay, you know SOMEONE had to do it, and since we're all fanpeopling over those mean green fighting machines, I just had to start this! Soooooooo line up, sign up, and enjoy!

Members:

Amathala
Scott
Anti-R
slowerthanaverage
Lynn
Tacofoolio
nyrin
yin-chan
The Collection
Alantie
Angelalex242
Inuyatta

I haven't seen the new movie (though I intend to!) but I LOVED the movies from years ago, so sign me right up!

...now you've made me want to go find my old tapes with the movies on them ;_;

Darn it. :D

I, Anti-R, rabid Donatello fangirl from the 80s cartoon hereby join this club.

And to any casual person wandering in this vicinity.


WATCH THE TMNT MOVIE. NOW. WATCHITWATCHITWATCHITWATCHIT!!!

I, STA, who have dreamt of marrying a ninja turtle since I was a child wanna join too :fangirl:

You know their colored ribbon thingy? I used to think that their forehead were too small so they had to tie them around their eyes and cut two holes in them so they could see D :
It was only much later before I realise they were supposed to be masks of some sort :unsure:

Wow...*giggles* two members already. I'll add you to a list on my first post. I also made a signature. I'll be making a few more, since I have the day off, and there's nothing to do in this town.

I cant wait to go see the movie today. I'm taking a friend and his kids, he said they'll kill to see it O.O

EDIT: Make that three...gosh, you all post fast

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=D

Go go Ama, you will love it xD

Ama, you rock.

^___^

Aieee, a banner! Thanks, Ama! :huggle:

And fanart! OM! Chibi Turtles! Thanks, STA, they're adorable!

And...

Quoted For Truth (And Emphasis). :tard:

OMG, this whole post is so spazzy. XDDD Feel free to bring the movie discussion here, or to continue in the original thread... *stares at Ama's avatar* :drool:

You like the avatar? I can get you mooooooooore...XD

http://www.ninjaturtles.com/

Go there..scroll down and they have a bunch of links...Avatars and Icons ^_^ They even have artwork there too! So exciting!!!

BTW, I know some were curious about the Turtles' ages...so I got them..

In 1988 when the toys were first issued:

Leo - 16
Mikey - 15 1/2
Don -15
Raph - 15

Very odd...Mikey is older than the other two, but he acts so much like a kid LOL.

BUT! When the 2003 toys were issued, they are all 15! O.O Splinters age, is unkown LOL.

April went from 25 in 1988 to 23 in 2003! She's reversed the aging process!!! Tell me how you do it woman!

But wait, Kevin Munroe stated that he sees the Turtles at age 18/19. 0.o;

If the first movie was them being 15... and Leo's gone for almost two years in the new movie, then they should be at least 17...

BTW, Am, you should add Lynn in the members list.

I'll totally join! ^_^

Because obviously we would be able to figure out who they really were without those masks. :angry: Until then, they could be any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. :lmao: I figure it's so we can immediately see who is who based on the color.

That's....weird...I wish they'd make up my mind LOL!

I added Lynn and Taco to the list, and made some more smaller banners...turtle-specific ^_^. I'd make a Splinter etc. etc. one if I could find some pictures. Most places only have the turtles themselves...The rest of the cast need love too!

BTW, the Kanji in the pictures reads:

Leo - Honor
Don - Wisdom
Mikey - Joy
Raph - Sincerity (Because, while he's hot-headed, and sometimes a jerk towards Leo, this is what makes him sincere, he always shows his feelings through action) I coulda used anger...but...meh...he's not ALWAYS angry...

JOINAGE

Oh and they're still all the same age? I guess who's older or not depends on who was born first (so really Leo can be a few seconds older than Raph). That's weird that the original cartoon had Mikey as being older. But I guess as time went on the the turtles' personalities started to become more distinct and concrete Mikey somehow adopted the 'little brother' persona. I like that better. For me the ages would be... Leo>Raph>Donny>Mikey no matter what any official statements say :P

AND ZOMG YOU MUST WATCH THE MOVIE OR ELSE!!!! IT'S SO GOOD...

Actually I have it available for download in the original tmnt thread, but seriously, the video quality is okay and the audio is at best grainy. Go watch the movie in theatres (and do it while all the little kiddies are at school - well that is if you're not in school yourself. I forget that some people here might still in be in high school lol). Trust me, it's an awesome experience!

YAY US.

lovely banners to the other guys. XD

JOINS PLZ.

The movie was just a *tad* dissapointing for me, BUT I STILL LOVED LEONARDO AND HIS SMEXXY SMEXXY KATANAS SO I MUST JOIN THIS CLUB.

Sometimes I forget that they are 'teenage' mutant turtles, so 16 doesn't seem like too bad an age. And I was surprised how friendly Karai was with the turtles! ^_^

OMG OMG OMG!!! I SAW IT!! *squeals like a fangirl* It was sooooooo good! I cannot wait to get it on video! Sequel please, yus?

The only beef I really had with the movie was how SKINNY the girls were...I mean...DANG! Oh, and when they decided to capture 9 of the 13 monsters within like, 30 seconds...@_@.

I loved Karai though! Wah! ZZ did a GREAT job on her, and Mako was wonderful as Splinter, despite the slight bit of slurring in their accents.

I hated the fact that there were people talking all over in the theater...I wanted to turn around and say, "Shut the heck up, would ya? I'm here for the movie!"

The Raph and Leo fight was the best thing ever...oh man...there are no words to describe....

Best line in the whole movie... "Come to Daddy!"

YES SIR!!!! :fangirl:

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Well glad you guys watched the movie then. XD

Yeah how Winters get the other monsters was a little too quick, but maybe it's to prove how efficient the Foot moves on tracking them down.

And it did took awhile. See the difference in April and Casey's place in the start (where it's full of boxes) to a really nice living room?

PS. Man, everyone loves Leo...

I found the last battle too short.. the generals were so easily beaten it's no fun =x

Anti-R, we love don too :blush: Actually, don and mikey are my favourites =D
Leo's just earning more points after being so bloody suave in the movie..ralph too =3

I think Leo reels 'em in cause he's...well...the Alpha Turtle Male, so to speak. Don reminds one of geeks, Raph's temper would scare some people, Mikey is too childish, so Leo reels in all the women.

When 'Venus'...a female turtle they randomly added later entered the show, she seemed to bond with Leo the most. Also, her headband was a different shade of blue.

Don is my second fave turtle, I think...Mikey third, and Raph last, only because Raph gets so mean sometimes...it's scary!

So yes, I'm a Donnie fan. If it makes you feel better, Don was my brother's favorite turtle growing up. I was a huge Donnie fan when I was around 7 years old...his Bo Staff was just the coolest. As I got older Leo started to rub off on me more and more! So...yes, Leo's my fave, and Don's in a close second.

Hey I never said I'm upset! XD I'm just saying Leo's popular.

I'm just glad that with all that attention, I'm keeping Donnie to myself (wish I could say the same to Sora and Peter, sigh)... so the rest of you, scoot! :P

Thanks for the image, STA!

While we're on the topic of favourite turtles, for me, it's always been Leo... and followed by Raph/Don/Mikey, depending on the episode/mood/etc. :lol: (I can't arrange them! If I do, the arrangement totally switches by the next episode/movie!)

From what I've seen, Raphael is the most popular turtle online (among the guys AND girls... and trust me, he's got quite a female following O_O). On character polls, Raph's always light-years ahead of the other turtles. I know he has fans for a lot of good reasons, but others seem to flock to him just because he's "the rebel", "the Batman/Wolverine" of the group etc. :rolleyes:

So you guys pleasantly surprised me. :D

Raph's usually my second-favourite turtle. But I keep wanting to protect underdog!Leo from all the "zomg Raph PWNED Leo!11!1", so I end up arguing against him. :sweat: Reminds me a bit of Aerith vs. Tifa (HAH, another FFVII ref!).

Though Raph definitely has a temper. But the anger stems a lot from knowing they're mutants, and would never be accepted into normal society (plus, of course, his friction with Leo, which is a whole 'nother ballgame)... though we don't see that in this movie... but I think Raph, out of all his brothers, is the one turtle who's aware how much they miss out by being different and it ticks the hell outta him.

Still, though, he's an inherently funny character despite his emoness. His lines in the movie were :lmao: And I did pity him in a certain cartoon episode.

It's like my love for Tomo (Fushigi Yuugi). Everyone else hates him, so I keep him for myself. ^o^b

Yep, it definitely had to take a few days. Although the movie made it look like it happened in one night, since Raph walking out of the dojo -> Generals capture monsters -> Raph finding Casey.

Speaking of which, apparently some of the monsters are based on urban legends! The most popular one thus far is the Jersey Devil, which fights Raph in the diner. I loved that fight. "You're scratching my helmet!" while the JD pummels Raph's head with the fridge door. :lmao:

*sets up time-share for Leo* :razz:

One thing's for sure, I wish we'd gotten a clear scene of Leo kicking ass with the five swords. I think I was spoiled by AC!Cloud. D:

Fanart! TMNT: Bedtime (YOU MUST CLICK THIS. FOR IT IS TEH CUTE. CLICK CLICK CLICK!)

CGI Group Shots: 1, 2, 3

Omg! :lmao: Lynn's lovin' the turtles like no other! I foresee a boom in turtle population...

Though quite possibly my favourite TMNT fanart has to be the humanified!version. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3369/mannz8.png

Bishie-fied Leo will forever win my heart, even if his smexxy turtle self is inter-species unbelievably smexxy. :wub:

Seriously, WHY did they make Leo and Don so unbelievably awesome?! Mickey and Ralph paled in comparison in my eyes. <33 *steals a bit of Don from Anti*

He's my brother's fav turtle as well. I think it's the whole double-handed dagger thing. The mental image of Raphael tearing a pizza off one of those blades is enough to make every turtle-luvin' sweetie weak at the knees.

What I didn't understand the most was the whole Ralph friction issue after Leo left. If he resented Leo leaving so much, why did he put on the whole tough guy image when Leo came back? Obviously he knows Splinter sent Leo out for training, so I don't see why he would be mad at Leo for 'leaving'. :unsure: Or am I missing something? LEO'S BISHIENESS BLINDS ME TO EVERYTHING ELSE WHEN HE IS ONSCREEN INCLUDING THE STORY!

I'm surprised at how the devil was caught, because as far as I could see, Ralph certainly didn't manage to catch the devil, and the next thing we know, the devil's in one of them cages. Wha...?

Human Don doesn't look geeky enough. 0.o;

I love how Mikey was grinning openly in the CG group shots.

The only urban legend I know are the White Ladies/Sadako. >.<

I guess he wants Leo to win back his good graces the hard way. Remember, Leo uh, overstayed his pilgrimage. He was supposed to come back a year earlier.

So when Donnie and Mikey welcomed him back with open arms, Raph was resentful... it was bad enough that him being the Nightwatcher didn't give him points (Don doesn't like him, and so did Leo later). He's doing the independence thing, I don't think he's willing to give it up when Leo returned.

The Foot apparently captured it later.


BTW, what are your favorite lines in the movie?

Mine is...

Leo: I don't understand why we have to bring along Raph! His temper always jeopardize our missions! *storms off*
Don: Yeah, Leo, whatever you say. Nobody's talking about him or anything...

It was so random and out of the blue. XD

Hmmm. In that human pic, Raphael looks remarkably like Seifer. Leo's kinda got the Heero Yui thing going on, Michaelangelo looks sad, when he should be grinning, and Donatello...should really wear glasses in human form.

Made even more awesome by the fact that the diner guy was actually voiced by Jersey director Kevin Smith. Awesome!

AND LYNN THAT PIC WAS SO KAWAII!! Realistic! Leo and Papa Splinter for the win XD

Actually I'm not surprised that Raph was so popular. He is the rebel, and Leo's kind of like the 'by the book', 'always follows the rules' type of guy (almost like a really really cool Percy Weasley) but I LOVE that guy! Why oh why must most people choose the rebel over the responsible one?

LOL when you said this, yin, I pictured you tearing off Donny's arm and rubbing your cheek against it gleefully lol *am crazy*

AND OH MY GOD THE HUMAN TURTLES!!! WHY IS LEO SO HOT? WRRY???1!1!!! He's like a bish to end all bishies XD <3 <3 <3 <3 *squees and dies* Everyone of them looks awesome but Leo's human pic just takes the cake. Okay now I wanna write a 'day in the life' + 'turtles turn human' fic like NOW. Blasted school. Mark my words I WILL do it. But it'll probably run off of the movie universe since I don't know the comics as well.

Actually which do you guys prefer, the movie or comic continuity? Or hell, the cartoons too? Though I think non of the cartoon series are really connected with each other. Which medium would you rank the highest?

I agree with Anti-R's answer! I also think that Ralph just has a hard time expressing himself. We can see this when he tried to confess what he did to Splinter and instead knocked some shit over :P I think that inside he may want to tell Leo how bad his leaving hurt him but couldn't, and so he expressed himself the only way he knew how - through aggression.

Actually that is kind of hot :o

BUT I'LL NEVER BETRAY LEO! NEVER!!! NEVER!!!!!!

*cough*

Oh and my favourite line:

Don: NO I'm not playing hard to get, I'm telling you ma'am it's not that kind of phone line!

...

And then Anti-R drops the phone! :lmao: *is shot and killed*

Must. Kill. Nyrin. And yin. *chainsaws*

I kind of stopped going after the comic series. If I have to choose spending money between videogames and comics, I go after videogames.

So I'm in the dark where the Turtles go in that medium.

I love the 80s cartoon and the old live action movies, but that was back when I was 9. I remember seeing it again when I was in highschool, the movies I mean, and I realize that I can't be swept up to it again. The jokes were corny, it was kind of juvenile and what have you (though the Leo/Raph thing in the first movie is touching). Yeah, I deserved to be shot by this.

The new cartoon, I watch it with slight fascination. Maybe I'm just close-minded, but I see no fun with the Turtles fighting alien Triceratops wielding laser blasters in outer space. I've heard Peter Laird likes sci-fi, and it IS his baby... but... y'know, I might've dug this weirdness if I was younger. And I felt the Turtles here are too far removed... they're mutant ninjas in an urban jungle of concrete , why are they walking in Central Park midday where people can see them?!? *face to palm*

And they tortured Donatello in this version!!! GRAHH!!! *bites those animation team's heads off* There're FOUR of them, for Pete's sake! Choose someone else for that mutated giant monster thing!

*takes deep breath and watch Leo's katas*



So when the new movie was announced... I was... uninspired. It wasn't until Lynn and nyrin said that it's good, I felt a stirring of hope.

And they're right.

The new movie is the rebirth of my inner turtle fan. I realize in horror that I didn't got over TMNT at ALL, and that it was buried deep within my fangirl heart, waiting to be rescued. I found out that I still love these four Turtles and their talking Ninja Rat Sensei, even when I no longer gave thought to them after all these years. So kudos, Kevin Munroe, for making me fall to the dark side again.

Wonder if anyone will make a kickass Sailormoon, also one of my favorites that died as the years go by.

So yeah, this movie is the best incarnation. The 80's cartoon (even though it's bad in today's standards) has a special place in my heart, comes in second.

http://www.voote.com/jsp/WAppServerPage.js...S01&VoteID=1871

Fascinating, isn't it? So far, it turns out Michaelangelo, not Raphael or Leonardo...(and not Donatello) is the most popular turtle. Mike leads Leo by 4 votes.

Goooo Mikey! (Should I even bother telling who I voted for?)

I heard Mikey had the hugest following from the 80s cartoon. Because he's such a fun-loving turtle, he appealed to the kids the most, and apparently all the merchandise and adverts of the 80s cartoon featured him very heavily. If those same kids grew up continuing to love Mikey well into their adulthood, little wonder he's leading the polls.

Not that Mikey is unlikeable in the movie, of course. I found him so sweet! Catch how he's trying to get Splinter to eat the birthday cake slices (when April calls the turtles about Raph)! And of course, he utters one of my favourite lines: "I have nightmares about birthday parties..." :lmao:

Oh, gah, I've complained about that! It reminds me of one of my rants a while back, how fandoms see a perfectly nice character as being "flat", as if you need to be the in-your-face emo wanker to have any "depth".

Huh, and here I go with another FFVII ref. XD But it's just like how Aerith is seen as "shallow" just because she's generally portrayed as a cheerful girl. Raph IS a deep character, but I wish the movie writers would stop shafting the other three in his favour.

And thanks, I love that fanart too! Typical of Leo to stay close to Splinter (OMG TURTLE TOTS ARE ADORABLE), and Splinter has one eye open, as if checking on him. <333

Because Raph's a teddy bear wrapped in spikes. :lol:

I don't think Raph's ever been the kind to show sincere joy with his brothers unless it's in extreme cases (like when he helps drugged-out!Leo from the cage, and treated him so tenderly there :fangirl: ). Raph's also got a long drawn-out rivalry with Leo about being the leader of the team since the first movie, so that Complicates Matters.

Also, what Anti said. I never thought of that! Here, Raph's been picking up the slack, as he sees it, by moonlighting as the Nightwatcher through the night. He gets picked on it by the public AND Donny, and he probably thinks Mikey's only a Nightwatcher fanboy for shallow reasons. But Leo comes back after a year of silence, and he's welcomed back by the family with open arms. No wonder Raph's pissed as hell. :P

I think he took Leo's absence more personally (Leo stayed away for an extra year AND cut off communication) because... because Raph's sensitive. Yeah. *will not go into other reasons that could break brains, yin-chan imma looking at j00* So it takes a lot more on Leo's part to regain Raph's trust, compared to Mikey and Don.


As for the Jersey Devil, the Generals caught it after Raph left the diner. You can see the little bugger being held under the other arm of the General who had Leo slung over his shoulder...

...

Okay, that just reminded me of when Hercules slung Cloud over his shoulder. XD

:evil: Oh, gee, why would there be a population boom?

And I love that fanart! Humanised!turtles FTW! Props to Alex-- Heero Yui Expression was also the first thing I thought of with Leo's pic. Gotta love how the HAIR shows so much personality. Here's another version-- same guys but with different poses.

I did a double-take when Leo said that line. "Huh? Did I miss something? But I was paying attention to Donnyyyy~" It was perfect. XD

My Leo fangirl wants to jump up and claim "Come to daddy" as her favourite line, but overall? As a, ahem, completely objective viewer who is an equal fan of all four turtles? It's a toss-up between Donny's tech-help line and Raph's, while he's listening to Leo nag as the Nightwatcher:

"Is he kiddin'... He's lecturing me!"

*diesdiesdies* Oh, Leo, you just launched into auto-nag right there, didn't you? XDDD

I don't read the comics and barely remember the early movies, so I can only legitimately compare the 80s cartoon, 2003 cartoon and this movie.

I like the 2003 cartoon better than the 80s toon, which I always treated as just some good fun, not much more. 2003 toon put a lot of emphasis on Leo and Don, who I felt were the two more shafted turtles, and especially broke Leo outta his goody-goody/perfect-boring-leader stereotype that turtle fans have of him. It goes closer to his original comic identity, who has issues about his confidence, ability to lead, perfectionism etc. (Leo even goes through an extra-angsty phase in Season 4-- even RAPH called him a hothead then!). He's still the leader but with more noticeable flaws than 80s!Leo.

Raph and Mikey got less episodes centred on them, but I see it as a trade-off since Raph got tons of time in the movies and Mikey dominated the 80s cartoon. Don is apparently also getting tons of screentime in the comics.

2003 toon also WINS for keeping Leo as the turtle Shredder attacked with his legions of Foot Ninja. I was pissed that Movie 1 switched it to Raph. -_-

I don't mind the sci-fi feel, I guess, though I wish they had more ninja-themed storylines... though there is the issue of honour and vengeance underlying everything. I do like that the cartoon had huge storyline arcs. One-shots are fine but single eps don't make me invest as much emotionally as multi-ep arcs. I love cliffies as much as I groan at them. XD

TMNT the movie is hard to compare to the cartoon--I think they did the best they could in 80 minutes, compared to a 4-season cartoon. One thing's for sure, though: TMNT has my favourite version of the turtles. I love how lithe and sleek they all look, like teh realz ninjas!

Ohhhh, I watched that! Oh, poor Don! It was cruelly ironic: the most intelligent turtle being turned into Gameradon! T______T 'Course, evil writers did it on purpose--if it had been another turtle transformed, I have a feeling they felt Donny would've found a cure. Thus, no need for infiltrating Foot HQ, thus no crystal-stealing, thus no preparation for the next story arc.

Do you remember the end? Don came out without his mask or pads. He looked so... naked. XD

On the bright side, Donny seemed to be closest to all the female supporting characters in the 2003 toon. He's quite the playa'. >D

Just had to quote that again. :cray:




.... *stares at MS Word tab on her laptop* Oh, right, work.

Actually, movie one shafted Leonardo even more then you originally thought.

Remember how there was a song called 'T U R T L E Power?'

One of the lines go, "Leonardo, Michaelangelo, and Donatello, make up the team with one other fellow Raphael, he's the leader of the group...transformed by the nuclear goop..."

...Raph is NOT THE GODDAMN LEADER.

At least the 80's cartoon went 'Leonardo leads, Donatello does machines, Raphael is cool but rude, Michaelangelo is a party dude.'

OMG. It said that?! It said THAT?

W. T. F?

*explodes*

...And this is why I love TMNT 4 so.

*thinks* Aw man, I must really come off anti-Raph. :lol: I love him to bits, he's just been used so much in so many mediums, it was becoming Raphael and The Other Three Whatchamacallits. I don't want his character ruined from over-pimping. >_<

I like what someone posted elsewhere: "If I'd seen Movie 1 Raph when I was younger, he might've been my favourite turtle." The huge appeal about Raph is that he's so angry, doesn't answer to anyone (theoretically, anyway... Leo's head is still attached to his body, so I'd say Raph isn't such a stubborn hardass he's exalted to be), does his own thing--and which teenager doesn't want to be that character?

...

Donatello does machines. :giggle:

*avoids flying bo staffs*

Gaaaawd, alex, WHY DID YOU BRING UP THAT HORROR OF THE 80'S THEME SONG?! AAAUUUGHH! That's like bringing up Vanilla Ice's concert!!!

Now it's playing in head!!! Make it stop!!! X(

*and shoots a stick at Lynn for the terrible mental image*

Well, there's the mind rape, and Donnie went to a future where everyone died.

If that wasn't character torture I dunno what that word is anymore.

*shakes fist at 2003 toon*

I like Thin!Turtles the most as well. It makes them move quicker and attack smoothly and more ninjalike too.

They actually look like teenagers.

Oh those aluminum covered... desert are cakes? XD From his b-day gigs, right?

Yeash, he's like Barret... only hotter. 0.o;

Ah, the harassment.

Yep! Was it mentioned in the novelisation? I can't remember. The director did state somewhere that the cakes came as a "gift" for Mikey from his Cowabunga Carl gig. I imagine there are two possibilities:

1. Mikey's so damn good at what he does, he gets plenty of cake as reward!

2. Mikey's so damn sick of what he does, he hasn't touched those cake slices until Leo returned!

:ninja:

Ohhhh, THAT TOO. Wow, poor Donny. They spaced out his torture but man, they definitely mind-raped him. *thinks hard* There's gotta be some ep somewhere that's good to Donny... Mikey got to join a flipping superhero group, for crying out loud, what about the turtle genius?

No April.

Mind-rape.

Deals with the most disgusting 2k3 villain, Garbageman, TWICE. *shudder*

...

(*cough* Speaking of Mikey and that future ep., who woulda think he'd have such a gravelly voice! :wub: )

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Did I mention I brought pics? :D
Jedi Leo!
Turtles of Heart Do not click this if you are sitting for exams. You'll need your brain.

HEY! Don't change the subject!

And I rest my case. Poor Don. >.< Emo!Mikey is something I try to swallow when I first saw it.

YAY on the Leo Jedi thing though. XD

Speaking of Vanilla Ice...

"Ninja, Ninja rap, Ninja, Ninja rap, ninja, ninja rap go go go go go ninja go ninja go! Go ninja go ninja go! Go ninja go! Go go go go!"

*tortures you all evilly* ;)

Also. I am not entirely convinced Raph won fair and square. I kinda think Leo let him win. So that when Raph won, he'd see just how messed up he was. Putting your weapons to your brother's throat...really, now. If that's what it took to give him a clue, then so be it.

:fear: *shakes fist at Alex* Next you'll be bringing the video of that, won't you?

Go go ninja, go ninja, go go go~

Hee, that's something I considered too, but thought it was Leo Bias influencing me. :lol: Apparently, the novelisation said Leo was "shocked" Raph beat him, but I've heard some readers speculate the novel is from an earlier draft of the movie.

I think Leo went into the battle wanting to win, but maybe... changed his mind halfway? He got quite a number of shots focusing on his expression (more than Raph, anyway, who was clearly pissed-off from the beginning and only got angrier through the fight), which makes me wonder if the gears were turning in that head of his.

I've seen people say he looked really angry, but to me, Leo looked madder in the middle of the fight than when they locked weapons.

Well, that, and he schooled Raph with a bloody-freaking-uppercut when he fought the Nightwatcher as an enemy. :whistle2:

Lol it's on youtube. I won't link but ya, you'll find it there. I've also got the entire second movie on my harddrive. Ninja rap makes me sad :( Ninja Turtles should NOT breakdance. Nor should they wear pretty dresses [SIZE=1]Though Turtles of Heart is highly entertaining :P

Wow, this makes me wish I had watched more episodes in the recent cartoon. It's good to give Leo and Don (especially Don because I don't think he's been given much development in any of the incarnations - except the second movie) some screen time and some good characterization. I had no idea that Leo was supposed to be the one attacked though instead of Raph. In the movie, without knowing this, it made sense...I guess it logically flowed in the movie: to me it came as a result of Raph's hot headedness, fighting with Leo again. Yeah I think it worked, although it does feel like they focused on Raph a lot in the first movie too. Though in the second movie it felt more like though Raph was up front moving the action along, Don was given more in terms of development. At least we got some of insight into his feelings about being a giant mutated turtle. That was really sad...

Basically for those who don't remember Don was depressed over finding out just how they became the TMNT in general. He thought that there was something more to it...and then it turned out they just happened to step into a pile of goo. Thus began his (sadly short lived) identity crisis. Short lived yes, but still really cool to see. I can just imagine TMNT 2007 Don being all emo because of it. Wouldn't it be cool if they redid the first three movies with CG? Not that they'd ever do it but damn that would be so awesome. Maybe for the ten year anniversary? *Shrugs*

I love that part of his personality lol he's such a hen.

And Angelalex YOU ARE SO RIGHT! WTF IS WRONG WITH THE NINJA RAP SAYING RAPH IS THE LEADER OF THE GROUP! I have the song actually and every time I listen to it, it pisses the crap out of me. GET IT RIGHT.

LOL Barret gets no fangirls I guess :(

Oh and Anti-R, did Donny really travel into the future? What else did he see? Was April dead? What about the other turtles (although cool for Mikey being apart of some cool Justice League type super hero group :P)

I don't know how I feel about the whole sci-fi elements of TMNT. I know Laird loves sci-fi hence why it's appropriate but...ya I definitely do want to see more of the cool, down to EARTH ninja action. It's just cooler. Actually I heard Munroe was debating whether the 2007 movie should be about the turtles in space. Thank GOD they didn't go that route. That would have been cheddar :mad:

I always thought it was a bit funny. Leo did go to South American training his ninjutsu for over a year, while Raph just turned into a vigilante, probably letting his more complicated ninja skills slip a little bit. And yet Raph beat Leo. I don't think it's a matter of Leo letting Raph win - at least not intentionally. I think from the beginning Leo just didn't have his heart in the fight. After all he's fighting his brother. He might be angry and disappointed in Raph but not enough to try to kill him or almost kill him.Contrast that with Raph, who probably let his feelings fly so out of control that he just wanted to hurt Leo. Its blinding rage that caused him to almost shove that sai in Leo's head. Just like Leo said..."Let [your anger] control you, and eventually you lose sight of everything." Lo and behold.


Oh and I totally want to know what this novelization is that people keep talking about. Is it available on the interwebz or do I have to actually shill out money for it?

PS- The 80's Cartoon was fun, totally close to my heart as a kid, but I can never forgive them for what they did to Raph's character. Not that I'm too much of a Raph fangirl, but I'm protective of my Turtles' personalities. I know they changed a few of the personalities but what they did to Raph was just crazy. They turned him from an emo New Yorker in dire need of anger management to a fluffy wise cracking funny man. ARE KIDS THAT FRAGILE THAT THEY CAN'T TAKE AN ANGRY TURTLE? Even giving him a simple bad attitude would have been better than that. Thank goodness they didn't skimp in the movies.

It's entitled Same As It Ever Was... apparently a very popular episode in the fandom.

Don went to a future where he disappeared. The Shredder took over the world, and the family literally went to pieces. Splinter died, Casey died, and April was leader of a resistance group.

Anyways, he convinced his other future brothers, who had given up the fight and living separately, to give another last assault. They did, and Don managed to trick the Shredder into getting dragged and killed by a giant drill (the one used to destroy the lair). The other three Turtles were unfortunately killed, though.

When Don was looking around in shock, he disappeared (apparently back to his original timeline) with April thanking him.

True to cartoons, the story continued on without any ramifications on Donnie's psyche afterwards that experience. Or maybe it did, he just wasn't telling.

Leo looked down when their weapons locked, as though noticing that his swords are making a cracking sound... it shows that he still has a sense of control, despite the fact he was angry at Raph.

It's more like Raph breaking Leo's swords, and Leo was so shocked he lost his weapons like that he didn't react when Raph shoved him to the ground.

Fun Fact! Raphael's voiced by Nolan North, who voiced Vossler Azelas in XII, so JAT isn't the only guy who got a FF role.

Also, at one point during the fight, Leo's sword was actually at Raph's throat. In theory, Leo should've had him right there. But Leo refused to actually hurt Raph. Splinter knows who his best student is. There's a reason for that. Refusing to hurt your brother isn't really weakness, is it? It's strength. I don't think Don or Mikey could bring themselves to fight full force against Raph either. But...I bet if Raph got angry enough, he might well fight full force against them.

Raph was angry enough to break Leo's weapons, and damn near damaged Leo himself. Breaking a sword like that...I've read in the duello codes...ya know how people used to get in duels a couple centuries ago? Mostly over matters of honor? Well, if you chose not to kill your opponent, you had the right to break his sword. Sort of an 'emasculating' gesture. The fact Raph went so far as to actually break his brother's means of protecting himself shows how far gone he was. That's why, when Raph finally realizes just what the hell he was doing...he runs away. In shame. That isn't the reaction of a victor. That's the reaction of somebody who lost in more ways then one.

Your assessments on the Raph vs Leo fight are really interesting! It's really a great topic of discussion. If only Don and Mikey had similar deep scenes. Bah well.

It's possible that Nolan was thinking this, but an easier explanation might also suffice - Raph's weapon, the sai, is used naturally as sword breakers. That's why they are shaped the way they are (form fits function after all). So for Raph, if he truly wants to beat Leo he has to play his strengths. It's natural that he'd used his two sai to break Leo's sword as its the quickest, most sure fire way to win - and I'm sure at that point in time Raph was so frustrated and enraged that all he wanted to do was finally beat Leo (both metaphically and physically).

But I love the idea of him trying to symbolically emasculate his brother on top of that. If you consider that in those days emasculating someone truly means taking away his authority and power, it would truly fit in that situation.

Edit: Just for fun:

The Infamous Movie 2 Club Scene ...with Vanilla Ice

9.95 by Spunkadelic -
TMNT (1990) The Pop Ending Theme

Turtle Power by Partners in Kryme - The Rap Ending Theme

"Evil moves fast but good moves faster than light."

Geez I miss the early 90's. Gone are the days when such a cheesey line could ever be considered cool.

More then symbolically.

When the monsters show up after Raph leaves, Leo's up a creek. Hence his capture. I don't think he'd have been captured so easily had Raph not broken his swords.