Has anyone read this book? It's getting pretty popular at my school, and so far is sounds like a cheesy Mary Sue and Gary Stu vampire romance novel, please discuss.

YESSSS!!! :hyper: it's one of the COOLEST and the BEST books out there! OMG. you should read it! :D

it's romantic, too. :fangirl: it's not really cheesy...

it's about a girl from Florida who transferred to Forks, and met new people, including people who aren't entirely human. And she's in-love with one of them, too.

it's really cool. i ran out of things to say. :lol:

Why is it SO COOL? Convince me, because like I said before, it totally sounds like a Mary Sue/Gary Stu angst angst angst angst romance novel, what about it is so awesome? And honestly, from what I've heard the main girl is just the author's complete self-insertion. What makes you like it so much? xD Sorry if I'm not squeeing with joy, but I must be convinced from what I've heard about it, and I don't get the appeal of it (other than -gasp- romance), but I haven't read it yet so maybe I shouldn't be so critical. :mellow: :huggle: But still, elaborate?

You see, my friends have been reading the book and it's sequel, New Moon, I believe. I've only read a few excerpts from the story (I think) and It sounds pretty good. I know...umm, that character, Edward Cullen or something has quite a bunch of fangirls.

I think I've been told that the this novel has become so popular, that there's even a manga for it?

EDIT: Ack! Rikku posted before me! -bows to l337 fast posting skills-

...actually, That's what I wanna know too. Why it's so good. xD Can't help you there, sorry!

let's see...how should i ellaborate?

it's like a different kind of story, like something that'll only come from the depths of pure imagination (okay, i sound crazy). and i guess it's what makes it stand out from the other vampire novels. grr....i can't explain. X(

ok. give me time to think. :lol:

i'm not helping, am i? :lol:

I don't really know how to convince you to read it, but it's really good. I will admit that Bella (the main girl) seems to be a mary-sue because she's all the time needing to be rescued, but she tries to change, so yeah. It is what killedwithabustersword said though.

It is about a girl, named Bella, that moved from Florida, where she was staying with her mother and her mothers boyfriend (I think it was boyfriend, it may have been more), to go to Forks, Washington, to stay with her father who is a cop. Anyways, while she's there, she meets Edward, who is a vampire, and his whole vampairific family. It tells you that they aren't really related, but I don't want to spoil that much for others. In the end, she ends up back in Phenoix, where she was born I think, and in a dance studio. That's all I'm going to say.

Wow, I can't believe I remembered all that. I just read New Moon not too long ago and I still have it in my head as well. You should read them though. Just rememeber that Twilight goes first, then New Moon. lol. I'm always making that mistake.

Yes it is, it is very cheesy. OMG EDWARD WHY? WHY? and Bella....I hate cheesy characters. The beginning is allright but towards the end it turns out to be the cheesiest shit on Earth. If you like cheesy read the book. :aeris:

edit: oh and Bella moved from Phoenix not Florida.

It was actually quite interesting when Edward was making it seem as if he didn't like Bella, but once he confessed his love to her...yeah. *DOES NOT LIKE BELLA*

Phoenix. My bad. :lol: well yeah. it was cheesy.

YEAH!!! EDWARD SHOULD'VE BEEN WITH A NON-CHEESY CHARACTER. im completely taking back what i said about the book not being cheesy. it is. :lol: but then it totally supports the whole story...:unsure:

you should try reading it...we might have a different view of the story. :D

*dies* So much hate for this book and its characters? :sad:

I actually only read the first book for the first time three days ago. . . and let me say I'm hooked. You wanna know how bad I'm hooked, considering that I'm normally not a big vampire fan myself? Let me tell you. I was so enthralled, I went out and bought both Twilight and New Moon for myself, and I have already read Twilight 3 times, and reading New Moon for the second time. Yeah. I have it BAD.

I mysefl totally do NOT consider Bella a Mary Sue nor Edward to be a Gary Sue. Well, maybe I'm a bit biased because I'm totally in love with Edward. . . :blush: But Bella isn't one of those perfect characters. I actually got quite a kick out of her, because she reminds me of me. Clumsy, a bookworm, and one of those odd people who always seem older than they really are. She isn't really anything remarkable either, as she herself has said, she's just really ordinary. Not like a Mary Sue. And Edward. . . ah, Edward. He doesn't seem to be the typical male vampire lead. Not in appearance, nor in personality. I mean, he's pale, yes, but he's bronze haired- not the typical black haired night god sort of thing. And personality? He's really not the sauve, debonaire type. He gets on your nerves, he irritates you, and makes you want to kill him, but at the same time, you cannot help but love him.

As for the story, not the typical vampire story. It actually feels more REAL to me than any other vampire book I have ever read. The author has taken traditional vampire myths, and completely made her own world. Beautifully. I dunno whatelse to say to convince you. . . feel free to bombard me with questions though. I shall do my best to answer ^_^

I haven't read the book. I just now looked at amazon.com to see what it was about and after reading the summary, it doesn't seem like the type of book I would read. It sounds very cheesey and needlessly melodramatic. Then again, only people who have read the book can truly gage whether or not the book itself is better.

Still, whenever I want to find out more about a book I just go to amazon.com and read the customer reviews. I'm not sure whether you use this or not but I'll just explain what I do anyway. I immediately exclude ratings that are too high or are too low because they're most likely biased (some people stupidly hate on a book where others mindlessly fangirl it). Three star ratings are the ones I usually look at because they're usually the closest to what the books are actually like.

To tell you the truth though, it seems more like the type of book that will reach *mostly* (though not excluded to) young girls who like mildly dark but generally simple vampire novels. This isn't a bad thing or a good thing, and I'm definitely not criticizing! It's just what I've seen. The fans of this book seem almost identical to that of Amelia Atwater Rhodes' stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-...books&x=11&y=15

Well, yes, that is sort of true. Amelia tends to keep things simple and short, and hers are very classic vampire myth storylines. Stephenie goes into much more depth with her caracters and plotline, , hence the longer books, and creates her own vampire myths. Not to say that I don't like Amelia's work, I actually enjoy them too. (though Wolfcry was a BIG disapointment for me <_< ) If any of Amelia's books were close to Stephenie's, I would have to say it would be Shattered Mirror (My personal favorite of those that she has written so far). Both deal very much with characters struggling over good and evil, and whether being turned into a vampire makes you a bad, evil person. Its also similar in that in both books a vampire falls in love with a human girl and she with him. But then we get totally different things, with the characters and their personalities and the situations they are put in. Sarah and Bella, the main female characters, are very different from each other, as are Edward and Christopher. Bella doesn't have to deal with the pressure of her family and her heritage of being a witch and vampire hunter the way that Sarah does when dealing with her emotions for Christopher, but that's not to say that Bella doesn't have equal difficulties. So, you could say there are similarities, but they also have major differences.

Personally, I recommend giving Twilight a try. If you read it and its not your cup of tea, that's more than fine. I didn't think I would enjoy it when I picked it up, mainly because of so many people squealing over it, and secondly because I typically don't go for vampire books, but it surprised me. It might surprise you too!

I'm much too bad at explaining things, and it really all depends on opinion...

But let me see. I have read...Eh....Billions and billions of books. XD

And the Twilight series is definitely my favorite. :3

I really don't know how to explain it; but in reality, I don't find it cheesy in the least. It's not really a typical novel, and if the first one comes off as cheesy, then the second will certainly....Hmmm.....Change that? ^^;; Erff, I'm really bad at this. Ehh, well, I don't see anyone as cliche and whatnot, nor the plot - I don't really read vampire novels often, and it's not just one of those books you read and chuck into that dusty pile of books in the corner of your room. (Well. For me, at least. D:) I don't know how, but it's really an inspiring novel. There's something past the exterior, that I suppose you wouldn't know is there until later on; but it's something I can't quite explain. The author has put different conflicts in the book; physically, emotionally, and one that isn't apparent unless you figure it out, spiritually. I'm definitely failing at explaining this, so...All I have to say is that you can't rely on just reading reviews and such. It's all just how your personality is and how the story relates to you, I suppose? XD Let me tell you, book summaries can be EXTREMELY cheesed up...Just because. I've read books and read reviews/summaries, and laughed quite a bit at how overly-dramatized the reviews/summaries are. Argh, just....Figure it out for yourself! XP

No, not cheesy Lute! I think you did a great job explaining it!! Much better than me at any rate.

Oh, I SO agree. Especially the spiritual one. That's really starting to come to play, particularly in the 2nd one, and I'm sure that theme will become more apparent in Eclipse and Breaking Dawn.


SPOILERZ for those who haven't read, below! Skip if you wish to be spared!!!

Edward's believing he has lost his soul is just heartbreaking, but it certainly is a big part of the reason he's so against changing Bella. You can just see it tearing him up inside, but there is that faint spark of hope there, as Bella points out to him :P Myself? I don't believe it for a second. Edward is a wonderful person, and I can't imagine him being doomed just because he's a vampire. He still has his soul, I'm certain. ^_^

Yes, exactly. :3

KINDA SPOILER-ESQUE. AND STUFF. D:

Well, since the author IS an extremely spiritual person, it makes sense that that would come into motion. The book is much too wonderful for my little review to do it justice, but thank you, Alantie! XD Hurrmmm, yep, that whole soul-thing was what I was referring to with the spiritual aspect - you just notice some connections and such between things that you wouldn't notice if you weren't aware. XD I really want to know how they mature, too; I'd consider the Twilight series to be in the bildungsroman category of literature. :3 (For those of you who don't know, that means a coming-of-age story XD) Well, hmm, there's definitely not much else I can say, but I want to see those opinions on spirituality develop more during the series. <33

I've read both Twilight and the sequel, New Moon. First off let me say that my favorite parts were the ones featuring the side characters.
Also, it is not the best book I have ever read but I did find it fun, witty, and even a bit dramatic.

The heroin, Bella, is a Mary Sue who really can't stand being a Mary Sue. She moves from Phoenix to Forks to live with her father, Charlie, who is a police officer.
On the first day of school she sees a table full of really beautiful people who aren't eating anything. One of them named Edward catches here eye especially. He ends up sitting by her in biology or something and he looks at her like he absolutely hates her and cannot stand the sight of her.
It later turns out that he is a vampire who is extremely attracted to the scent of her blood and is constantly trying not to kill her.
I don't want to spoil the rest...

It may not be your cup of tea, but I think that it is worth a read.

Oh, and about there being a manga, there isn't. In the japanese release the cover art is manga style and is split up into three separate parts and there are illustrations (also in manga style) place periodically throughout the book.

Great news!! :woot: The release date for Eclipse, the next book, has been announced! Its coming out Augest 7th!! :yahoo: The cover has also been released. Its the typical black background, with a pink ribbon on it. *thinks of Aerith* So excited!!

Oooh, awesome! xD It's coming earlier than I expected, so that's great news! A pink ribbon, eh? Yeah, that reminded me of Aerith, too...I wonder what it stands for? XD SQUEEZ. Guess we'll have to find out. D:

Stephenie originally wanted the cover for New Moon to be a clock, I think, and that DOES make more sense than the flower, but the editors and stuff thought the clock was too sci-fi...Ehh. I think the clock would've been fine. D: EIIITHER WAAYY, I love the covers of the Twilight series! XD So pretty and elegant....Deep and simple. D:

*pokes the thread*

Honestly, there has to be more Twilight fans on this forum!! Lol. Anyway. . . the release date for Eclipse draws nearer! Are we all excited? I know I am!!! :woot: I honestly don't know what may happen, but I know Stephenie won't let us down the way some other authors have. . *coughJKRcough*

Oh, another thing. . . Stephenie apparently thinks Gaspard Ulliel is too old to play Edward. :cry: Nooooo!!! That's so horrible, lol. But I still think he makes an awesome Edward- and maybe the director of the movies will feel the same. . . *crosses fingers hopefully*

So come discuss Twilight with me my fellow fans! I'm dying here! :)

To me calling Bella a Mary Sue is like calling Aerith a Mary Sue :sweat:

Omg omg omg ... there's ... a second book ... and a third?! :o
*dies*

I so agree! I don't consider Bella a Mary Sue any more than I do Aerith! We shall be friends! *bonds*


*giggles* Yes, there is a second book, and a third, and a future fourth. The second book is called New Moon. The third, coming out next month, is called Eclipse. And the future fourth book is going to be called Breaking Dawn. And perhaps, Stephenie will write Twilight from Edward's prospective and call it Midnight Sun, but nothing's confirmed on that yet!

Best book ever. Seriously. I can't wait until the third book comes out.

I hate to admit it, but I've read Twilight, haha. It's a good book--there are a lot of things that seem at least somewhat contrived, but it's an enjoyable read overall and very fun in a cheesy/fluffy/mindless sort of sense. Although I do think Edward Cullen is one hell of a Gary Stu (I forgive it slightly, however, because the narrator IS a lovesick teenager. D:)

Starting on New Moon right now, I think I enjoy Twilight better.

Twilight is better than New Moon, I agree with you completely on that. NM is a lot darker and depressing, considering we're going through a very tough time in Bella's life. I think that the author said that its Bella's 'darkest' spot ever. I'm hoping though that it won't be so emo in the third, though I doubt it. I guess you can consider Edward a Gary Sue. . . though I really don't*shrugs helplessly* :lol: I can understand why you feel that way though- Edward's so perfect and it seems he can do no wrong. I think that NM though shows that he isn't as perfect as we'd like to believe. Or maybe I'm just as love sick as Bella!

I can't even begin to speculate what may happen in Eclipse. Does anyone have any ideas? We're approaching Bella's last year of High School, so there's the possibility she might be joining the vampire side soon. We also still have Victoria on the loose, not to mention the Volturi, and the conflict between the werewolves and the Cullen family. . . and possibly new enemies, maybe? I'm just really excited for it!! :woot:

I think this review pretty much summed up for me how I feela bout the book, now that I've read it (borrowed it from the library).

But I was so disgusted and embarassed by all the rabid Twilight fangirls who bashed this one person for her opinions that I had to write something in defence (I'm Mai) though I think I made a few typos here and there - oh well.

http://swarmofbeasts.blogspot.com/2006/03/...e-twilight.html

In the end, people can and will like whatever they want. But I think that reading more books (good, acclaimed books, not fluffy YA best sellers) will give them more perspective in terms of whether stuff like Twilight is really all that amazing. I'd say that for me, reading and liking Twilight is like enjoying a Fantastic Four movie or any other random summer blockbuster. It's entertaining, but doesn't really have that much depth - not the story, the characters nor the romance. It's all very superficial, melodramatic and hysterical, which just happens to be precisely what sells to the young (and young at heart aka those who aren't quite willing to enter mentally and emotionally let go of their childhood and enter adulthood) demographic. And hey, it's fun to read, so long as you can, as Emily in the review states, compartmentalize it as fluffy fantasy and go on with your life.

I read Twilight and New Moon a while back, when my entire school was wrapped up in it. I usually don't read teenage romance novels (give me a Victorian age book any day), but I thought, what the heck?

It wasn't as bad as I had thought. Twilight offers an interesting premise and a good twist on the vampire genre, and while I'll never consider it one of my favorite books nor a teenage classic, I enjoyed it, and invested myself in the characters (*possible spoiler*I've been practically screaming for Edward to turn Bella!)

New Moon, however, seemed to be a step down. It was nowhere near as enjoyable as Twilight. Bella's angst, while understandable to a point, got rather tedious after a while. She reminds me a bit of Tifa at that point - she rebuilt her entire life around Edward's existence (though you could switch it around and say she's like Cloud pining after Aerith... :cleris:). Unlike Twilight, I probably wouldn't bother reading NM a second time.

I've read lots of books. I've had a wide, extensive, variable and versatile experience of books ever since I was around twelve years old and I've come even further since then :P I'm now twenty five. I still enjoyed Twilight.

Awww! :huggle:

Sounds awesme! :huggle:

Yeah I was completely unaware the series had grown so much since everytime I visited Waterstones or my local library they only had Twilight. I was like oh I guess she's not writing another book :giggle:

I liked "Twilight" better than "New Moon" simply because Edward was in it more.

2 more days until "Eclipse" comes out!

I know!! I'm so excited I can hardly wait!!! :woot: I know that some people have got their copies early, and its so hard to resist temptation and read the spoilers, but I have been doing well so far.

Twilight is better than New Moon, but after reading NM the second time and not racing through to get to Edward again, I was better able to enjoy it. I did like the last half of NM with the Volturi. They are awefully fascinating. . .

2 more days until Edward Cullen! *squees* :fangirl:

I don't want to offend anyone here who likes this book but when I was reading it it seemed like a bad Anne Rice fan-fiction. First you have Bella, who apparently had no love life before moving to Forks, and then suddenly every male character who is not paired up and is important enough to have a name is in love with her. Edward, Jacob, Mike, Eric, Tyler, etc. etc. Then vampires seem to have a weird infatuation with her, IE Edward and James. Also since the book was in first person you got to have a good look in Bella's head and it was safe to say she was fairly boring and fails to establish any good relationships with any characters other than Edward and Jacob.

Then there is Mrs. Meyers idea of vampires which are basically demigods because she kept knocking off weaknesses (garlic, crosses, sunlight) and giving them superhuman speed, strength, and senses. Oh yeah, and vampires don't have to breath, apparently. Not to mention characters like Edward and Alice have extra powers.

As for the whole EdwardxBella relationship there was nothing to it but a whole lot of sexual frustration. The characters didn't seem to love each other, Edward seemed more attracted to the fact he doesn't know what Bella is thinking then Bella herself, while Bella was too busy thinking about how good looking Edward is.

Basically ALL the book about was Edward and Bella's sexual frustration for each other which got boring and near the end there was this whole huge plot device, bla-bla got to save Bella. Overall thoughts : Bella is a boring damsel in distress, Edward is an overly Byronic jackass.

True that!
I have a like/dislike relationship with this book, the way nyrin does. The author seems very earnest in her presentation of the characters so I give her props for that. I actually enjoyed how she strung up her plot, all leading to the life-or-death chase in the end. And I like a lot of her prose, especially the surreal descriptions of Forks, the rainforest and so on. The Cullens were probably my favorite things in it- for some reason, I really, really like Alice, and Jasper :D And the lightning storm baseball game was really something!

But as for the main romance itself...not so hot with me. Okay, I was amused by the Edward/Bella banter...at first. I agree with DeathGigas, it was very interesting when they were just snarking at one another, dancing around their fascination with each other... But then, the love declarations came and I dunno...I just didn't find them believable at all. Sure, very deep infatuation, but to the point of both of them being each other's LIVES? Uh no. Plus the hysterical, fangirl descriptions of Edward are just too much! The feminist in me kept raging "Grow a spine, girl!" whenever Edward used his 'dazzle factor' to dominate Bella. My ultimate *headdesk* moment:

Edward: You're intoxicated by my very presence. *sexy smirk*
Bella: *swoon* I can't argue with that... <_<

Pffft. Give me Sirius Black, Theodore Laurence, or some lovable but decidedly im-perfect character any day.

Okay, I won't lie, I haven't read these books yet. But I'm with the others who said that it sounded like Gary Stu/Mary Sue romance. D:

I'm going to give them a try (my friend is loaning them to me), and if my opinion changes I will be pleasantly surprised. ^_^

KUSARI PLEASE MARRY ME


Those are my two favorite male characters in all of ever. <3

It's funny because it's been so long since my Laurie fangirling that I actually didn't recognize his name (I feel so ashamed!!!), but I agreed completely on the Sirius note (I would only love him half as much if he weren't so beautifully flawed).

But upon remembering who Theodore Laurence was, I almost DIED. (random fact:Jo/Laurie is the best pairing ever and I regret that it never happened ;___;)

i love you <333

Mwah. So much hate for these books! D:

I can see the points behind the arguments, though I don't agree on all the points. I'm going to try and adress a few things that have been mentioned, just to show how I see things. ^_^

Edward, the main guy character does have his flaws. He's overprotective, sometimes to the point of ignoring Bella's wishes if he thinks it'll get her hurt. He's also incredibly stubborn when he wants to be and won't give in. He also can't fix cars, his hard as a rock, and cold, lol. Doesn't make him fun to cuddle with on a winter night. He can also be really cocky about how much he knows, and indifferent to human emotions. He's not perfect, as much as we like to pretend he is.

Ms. Myer explained this was something she herself had experianced. She moved from a huge school where she was virtually unnoticed, unknown, to a small town were she was the new person, interesting, and the person everyone wanted. Isn't that how it works when some new girl moves to a place and she's pretty? Because she's the new girl, that's why half the boys are in love with her. She's new, fresh after all the girls they've known their entire lives. *shrugs* I remember seeing it happen in high school, though I've never experianced it myself.

Her blood smells very sweet to Edward, practically irresistable, which is what drew him to her in the first place. James went after Bella because hunting her would be a challenge. Here she was, this weak human protected by seven vampires. It's just what he does. It didn't really have anything to do with him being attracted to Bella.

Yes, these vampires are very different from most perceptions of vampires, but they are not indestructable. They can be destroyed, as I believe is quite apparent in Eclipse. It just isn't an easy task to accomplish. Werewolves can do it, as can other vampires. It just seems humans can't kill them (and lets face it, most humans aren't equipped to do so. I always thought it was dumb that in some movies and things they made it seem so easy to kill vampires. This seems a bit more realistic to me at least. :sweat: )

That is what attracts him at first- he doesn't know what she's thinking, which makes her all the more interesting. He spends time with her to try and understand her, which leads him to fall in love with her. And Bella is drawn to him in a smilar manner, because he's so mysterious and has so many secrets (though yes, his being good looking is a factor too). I really think they do love each other, and its demonstrated a thousand times, and its late, so I don't want to outline every detail.

She may be a damsel in distress, but its kinda unavoidable when you're a human mixed in with vampires and werewolves. And she isn't all the time- she does what she can. For example, she had to come to Edward's rescue in Volturi; it was something only she could do.

But I must be off now. Perhaps I shall counteragrue some more tomorrow. *goes off to sleep*

*GRIN* I'm already married to Sirius, Edmund Pevensie, Laurie, and a ton of other wonderful, imperfect characters but SURE WHY NOT ODDISH!
*MARRIES*

Ah yes. An Edward, King of Perfection,to literally "stop my breath", and "make me faint" when kisses me, and dazzle me with "his scorching gold eyes"....naw thanks!
I'd rather have a Teddy 'Laurie' Laurence to pick silly fights with me when we go canoeing, and play bad practical jokes on me and my sisters, and to mercilessly tease me when I'm submitting my first published article, and to give me dumb lobster keychains for my birthday, and to simply tell me to 'hold on to him'... :wub: IMperfect is more perfect to me! :)

Aw, now, there are always those oh-so-cute fics on Ff.net by fellow Jo/Laurie fans.. *prods Oddish towards them * I actually like Laurie/Amy too, but good gawds JO, didn't you see what you were turning down??? *shakes fist*

Pardon the out-of-topic-ness...literary crushes always do that do me :whistle:

O: I'm actually surprised that you guys don't think Edward's flawed...Really, I think his flaws are quite obvious! :lmao: I do agree with what some of you were saying, but I really agree mostly with Alantie. And please do not compare Fantastic Four to Twilight. That's just evil. :lmao: That movie....YUUUCK. :lol:

Well, I really adore these books a lot, so, maybe it's just me. xD

Yay!!! I'm so glad you came here Lute! I've been so sad that no one is helping me out! :cry:

And I'm glad you agree with me about Edward being flawed. It's true! Sometimes his greatest 'perfections' can also be his imperfections. Like his being so protective of Bella; true its sweet and sexy (lol) but it also can be restrictive, even though he's really trying to keep her safe.

No, it isn't just you who likes the books, Lute. Bond with me here! Let's discuss! Support the awesomness that is Twilight!

Edward in the first book seemed more attracted to the fact that he couldn't penetrate Bella's thoughts than Bella herself, yes.

She had a very, very unhealthy obsession with him. Literally. That was pretty disgusting and incredibly cheesy for me. Following danger to provoke "sub-conscious" advice that resembled Edward's voice? Jesus Christ.

Edward is portrayed as perfection compared to a human, because he isn't one. Those negative attributes you listed, Alantie, seem so insignificant. Stubborn when he wants? I fail to see how this is a bad thing. And he's overprotective when he knows there's serious danger. It'd be a bad thing if he'd be on Bella's tail just because she glanced at another boy. Though this wouldn't happen, of course. She's too madly in love with the blood sucker to notice any other boy.

Maybe he does have flaws, but the narrator sure PHAILS to describe them. She's too busy glorifying her marbled statue.

I like the psychotic characters. Jane and Alec were such fine characters. Shame Jane couldn't inflict any mental pain to Bella. I liked Victoria, too.

I think it happened in High School Musical, as well. Correct me if I'm wrong.

*sigh*

I've already responded to this, but I'll give it another shot. At first, yes, that is what attracts Edward to Bella. He doesn't know what she's thinking, and this makes him nervous because he can't predict what she'll do. It's also a danger to his family, because if she figures out too much and goes running her mouth, its obviously going to cause problems. But other things attract him; she's unusual. He tells her this. She doesn't react to things the way other people do, and she has a unique way of looking at things. Like for example after he saves her from being smashed by the van then refuses to talk about it. He's quite surprised that even though he didn't talk to her the way she wanted him to, she still kept her word about not telling anyone what really happened. But honestly, does it really matter what attracted him to her in the first place? Shouldn't what matter is that now that he has gotten to know her and understands her, he still loves her? Yes, maybe at first his inability to read her was what tugged Edawrd to Bella, but that stage has come and gone. I think its safe to say that by now Edward loves Bella for who she is.

I'm sorry you found it cheesy. I didn't seem to find it that way. But the thing is, Bella and Edward have both admitted that they have an intense addiction to each other. Like heroin to a drug addict. All I can say on this is that their love is so strong that it pretty much shuts out anyone who can't really understand that kind of bond, like Jacob, kids at school, and her parents while those who can understand (Edward's family). Edward is the center of her world, so of course when he leaves, she's going to be desperate to find some way to reconnect with him in whatever way possible. To her, it is worth risking her life for just to hear his voice one more time. I honestly think that Bella's reaction to Edward leaving her was a lot more believable than having her lie around for a while weeping then getting up and going 'oh well, might as well get on with my life and forget about the center of my universe!' I just think that this love of theirs is so strong that it goes beyond all rational thought or explanation. Vampires in this book mate for life, and Edward and Bella (even though she isn't one yet) already demonstrate this bond. They are intuned to each other's thoughts and they fit together.

He has flaws. His over protective nature is a major one of them. This flaw is demonstrated to a great extent in Eclipse. Edward believes that hanging around with the wolves is a risk, and tries to prevent Bella from going to see them, even though they are her friends. Eventually he learns to deal with this, but you don't see this as a flaw? He also tries to shield her from a lot of things, such as the knowledge that Victoria is still hunting her, and fails to tell her about a scuffle between the Cullens and the wolves while tracking her. Yes, he was trying not to worry her, but he's treating her as if she were a child and if she doesn't know about the danger, how is she supposed to keep an eye out for it? A mistake, on Edward's part again. His leaving her is also a huge major mistake, also part of his misguided attempt to protect her from the danger his kind prevents. That certainly wasn't one of his brightest ideas.

Edward is also prejudice towards wolves, as he demonstrates countless times. A flaw? I think so. If he was perfect, wouldn't he be completely accepting of Bella's bond with them? Wouldn't he be more than happy to allow her to spend time with her friends if that makes her happy?

And yes, Edward does have reason to be jealous and overprotective- Jacob Black, remember? If you've read Eclipse, you should know this. Yes, Bella is 'madly in love' with Edward, but she also loves Jake too. Edward knows this, and he is jealous. A flaw?

And also, because Bella is the story teller, she sometimes can be blind to Edward's flaws, yes, but isn't that the way people are when they are in love? They don't notice the other's imperfections.

Edward's also terribly old fashioned, which while charming, also has its downsides. Such as old world ideas about marriage and commitment. He also tends to treat Bella as helpless at times, which granted she is a lot of the time being human, but she can help in small ways.

Do I need to list more flaws? I certainly can if need be. :D

I wouldn't know; I've never seen HSM. :sweat: Don't really want to either. . . I saw comercials for it and I just wasn't interested. I'm trying to think of an example for it, but really, its a comon plot in tons of things. New girl comes to school and half the male students fall in love with her. Or vise versa. It can work the other way too.

Hss everyone here read Eclipse? I don't want to start spilling spoilerz, but there is SO much in that book to discuss! What did everyone think of Jasper and Rosalie's backstories? The love triangle? C'mon, lets talk about it! :woot:

I'm reading Eclipse right now. Beldward forever!

*coughs and pushes away Jacob* Grow up and set aside your prejudices! <_<

Anyway, I wouldn't say it's Mary-Sue or Garry-Stu (I'm more used to the term Marty-Stu, to be honest, xD), Bella isn't perfect. She's accident-prone as hell, weak, and she worries too much. I wouldn't call that a Mary-Sue.

On the side of Edward being a Marty-Stu, well, aren't most vampires pictured as being really beautiful? Godly creatures who traded their souls for immortality? Dracula and Nosferatu aren't good examples, but I can think of others... Lestat de Lioncourt, Louis du Pointe du Lac... others... Hehe. :) Edward's not that perfect either. =/

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Poor Edward - he's not that bad! :sweat:

*hides from anti Twilight peeps* :P

I think Alantie needs a hug! :huggle:

My bookstore still has none of the new books :(