(Sorry if there's already a topic on this!)

Anyway. I was watching Tifa's fight on Youtube a while ago, and every comment was pretty much: "ZOMG TIFA IS SO BADASZ SHE SOOOOOOO KIKD HIS ASS!!!"

Did she really? I mean sure, she had some cool moves going in Round 1, but then Round 2 rolls along and it takes her about 10 seconds to get her ass handed to her. I kinda expected Tifa to, you know...Live up to the whole "TOTAL BADASS!!!!" title.

Anyway, just my opinion. What do you guys think?

Not only did Tifa lose, she lost miserably.

It was confirmed by the creators that Tifa never stood a chance against Loz. Loz was toying with her round one. That's why never does that blue blur thing round 1. He only does the blue blur once round 2, and next thing you know, Tifa's being punched through concrete and sent to phoenix down land.

Comes to that, had it not been for Marlene's bravery, Loz would've delivered a coup de gras, killing her.

Tifa is a good fighter, but she is only human. Loz is not. Neither is Aeris. You can tell who has the advantage here.

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Could we just LAY OFF Tifa? Cereally. She isn't Jesus. She's a normal human being going up against the remnant of a god-like creature. How about we cut her some slack already?

I think Tifa was pretty badass for standing up to him at all. The look on her face when he tossed her clearly expresses that she KNOWS she has no chance, but she throws herself fully into the fight in an effort to protect Marlene.

I really liked the fight scene, I thought that she held her own in the original battle and if I remember correctly she didn't know who the SHM were so she probably didn't realize how strong they were or probably would have done things a little differently. And as someone mentioned I do think she fought him better overall than Rude did, again not trying to take anything away from the Turks(Love them) but overall I thought it was a good scene for Tifa, she just was at a disadvatage of not really knowing her enemy and being human enough to make a mistake of underestimating her opponent. I certainly don't think she should be bashed or made fun of because if it. I just wish she had gotten more fights throughout, but then again I thought all the Avalanche members got shafted and didn't get the chance to show how kick ass they really were ^_^

I do like the fight scene.
But Loz clearly has the advantage-- what with him being inhuman and all.

I don't think this thread was meant to bash Tifa. To me, it seems like the person who started this thread is talking more about how her fans often overrate her when it comes to her fighting ability.

Personally, I don't really understand why some of her fans make it out to be like she's so much more badass and cool than anyone else just because she had that fight scene with Loz. I'm not saying she HAD to win, nor am I poking fun at her because she lost...but fact of the matter is, Yuffie is just as badass and cool for going up against Bahamut. Aerith didn't fist-fight with anyone, but she sure did her own pwning. *shrugs*

Not that I didn't enjoy Tifa's battle with Loz, but yes, I do see where TKC is coming from. I do think Tifa fans often overrate her in that field.

Actually Marlene was the one who got my respect in that scene. And she was what. 8? No fighting skills, no flashy legwork, and she threw that materia at a scary guy thrice her size and stood her ground just to protect Tifa.

That's badass, IMHO.

I'm sorry. I just don't think that scene was special at all. I was disappointed because it was so hyped back then. And it was so inconsistent. Tifa can survive being caught at the ankle and having her head bashed in with a couple of wooden pews, but getting Loz behind her and electrocuted was instant KO? I remember FFVII which she faced a similar electric rod bearing redhead in a certain pillar, she lasted longer in that.

Anyways, I apologize to Tifa fans regarding this (Sorry! Sorry!), and will allow myself to have my head crushed with a giant wooden mallet. She's not that bad. I just wish she was better.

That's a good fight scene, though if anyone's badass, it's Marlene for throwing that Materia (let's hope Yuffie didn't hear about that), Aerith for her effective church water and Cloud for, oh gee, fighting all three SHM?

Either she's getting rusty or perhaps there's a limit to how much electricity humans can carry with that that's not Thunder Materia?*shrugs*

I suppose I just don't see how Marlene tossing some materia is "badass" but Tifa pulling out some wicked moves and throwing herself into a fight she knew she couldn't win for the sake of protecting the girl it simply "okay".

I'm a Tifa fangirl. Can't help it.

Seriously, though, he's the REMNANT OF A "GOD". I cannot stress this enough. Tifa tossed herself into the fight. She had no help. No one was coming to save her. She pulled off some seriously badass moves, too.

I assumed Loz put more volts in with his second hit - since when he hit her with it the first time, she simply shook it off. 400+ volts of electricity straight into your gut would be really effective. EDIT: I'm tempted to say even more - possibly more than enough to kill the average human being, since the pillar behind her exploded from the force.

I'm not trying to make Tifa any more or less badass than she is - she obviously had no chance, but I don't see why simply because other people "hyped up" her scene, that means she must be torn down, or everyone else is "so much more badass!". And I honestly think bringing up Cloud is a cheat, because he's the main character and will of COURSE get all the badass "I fight 230986 people by myself and pull of the ultimate attack no one ever heard of until just now" scenes.

People love that scene because she knocked Loz's ass from one side of that church to the other by herself, even if she knew she wouldn't win. He could have killed her if he wanted to. Hell, she took Sephiroth as a teenager. Excuse my langauge, but the girl has some serious balls, and that's why people respect her.

Agh, I'm not gonna fight about this (and because I like you Zelda). >.< We have to remember AC peeps also admits they're not following the law of physics and were fooling around with it in the movie. Being electrocuted is not really a good excuse. It's a cheap plot device for Tifa to lose immediately.

I just wish she hits Loz at the balls. That would be awesome.

Let's just say you're impressed with that fight scene, and I don't and honestly think it could have been much better. Let's leave it at that.

You can hold that giant mallet while I lie on the floor over there. Okies? :D

I believe what we're trying to say is, losing with style isn't impressive.

And I'm not sure it was electricity that shattered stone. Shattering stone would take considerably more eletrical juice then even a lightning bolt has. Stone isn't a conductor. I took it more as Loz hit her with enough physical force to shatter stone...basically, that he broke the pillar with her backbone. Logically, she should've broken her back and been paralyzed henceforward, but thankfully, it's FF, so such things can be cured with the nearest elixir.

But I quite agree with the idea of Marlene was badass. Very few 8 year old girls are willing to throw things at the guy who's slapping one of the saviors of the world around.

Aw, no, because now I feel bad! XD Like I said, I'm just a huge Tifa fan, and I just feel like she's being torn down for something that was never really her fault. Yeah, a lot of people hype her up a lot, but people do that for Aeris too. I'm not going to try and play down either girls accomplishments, though.

AGREED.

It's not about her losing with or without style. It's the fact that she had the sheer guts to go against someone she knew she had no chance against to protect a person she loved.

Despite that, there are obviously electrical sparks coming out of that weapon. Hey, who said it had to make sense? People shouldn't be able to summon magic out of glowing orbs, but they do that too.

I guess it depends what it is that the fans are hyping about. It's just this particular hype about how she's so badass and about how she "kicks ass" that makes me go "Well...she puts up a lot of effort, but she's not the total ass-kicker some of her fans make her out to be". :/

Maybe I'm just biased, but I can understand hype about how strong-willed/cheerful Aerith is, but I don't get the hype about how much ass Tifa kicked in AC. I mean, technically, she didn't really even kick anyone's ass as far as I can recall.

Doesn't that apply to just about every character anyway? The thing is, I wasn't expecting her to be able to beat Loz. Like you said, she's only human so that's totally understandable. I completely respect that. I'm just wondering why so many of her fans make her out to be more than what she is capable of when it comes to her fighting skills.

This scene did get too much hype to me. Where I go to school, there is this, how should I say, hmm... Lets just say guy (names Guy strangly lol), that ONLY talks about that scene, and that's what ruined it for me. I know for a fact now that there were MANY more awesome scenes than that. I mean, Tifa did kick ass against someone she knew that she couldn't beat, but there was the fight with everyone just about (save Cloud), and you know that it was hard to do. I mean 6 people couldn't even beat 2 remants of Gods, and on top of that, the two strangely stopped after Kadaj summoned Bahamut and BOOM, Cloud handed him his ass on a silver platter.

I think this scene goes to Marlene. What 8 year old in their right mind would do something like that? She's good... really good... lol.





And don't get me wrong, I do like Tifa, just not as much as Marlene.

EDIT : sorry about that so much! i was in the shower and my little brother typed that.

So anyway - my thoughts on the fight is that yes Tifa got owned but she was fighting a super human and had no chance. the fanboys really have just spoiled that scene for me by overinflating tifas prowess.

That and the Sonata of temptation video has ruined the fight scene for me -_-

The scene was extremely impressive and what I found, to be quite gripping. It was a little over hyped, but so were a lot of things in the film. I personally feel it clearly stated the strength of character and love Tifa posseses, pulling on her old fisty cuffs in the name of protecting Marlene. Even if she knew she was overpowered, Tifa put up a formidable fight, and didn't seem to care what happened to her as long as Marlene was safe.

She was 6. Brave ickle girl :D
Anyway, Tifa put up a fight, but Loz just whupped her in the end, not suprising really, considering hes got that HUGE FAT BUTT!!!

Ahem *coughs*, You see my point.

Actually, she was 6 in the original game, so yes, now in AC, she is 8. That's all. XD

To stay on topic, the fight was the flashiest one, but ultimately did little good, which kinda peeved me a bit.

I guess Tifa needing Cloud to come rescue her has somewhat made her weak. She could've held on much longer in that fight with Loz if she really wanted to.

Marlene totally rocked that scene though. :D

As much as tifa is really a nice fighter she has her limits on her own. The fight scene with Loz is not really impressing for me at all, and I mean, I really like Tifa but she lost even if she gave her best. but she's human!!! ^_^

I don't like Tifa, but I have to admit she
did kick butt . Even though Loz was toying with her, she looked cool !
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Guddojobu Tifa - san !!
You have to give her some props :D

I'm pretty much agreeing with everything everyone has said in this topic. She was fighting against someone that could've easily killed her effortlessly, but she still looked pretty cool doing so. :tifa:

Cinematography and graphics rendering-wise, the fight scene was impressive.

For me, Tifa losing to Loz is okay because like any sensible mind would know, she is only human. She stood up to Loz and did her best in the fight so I admire her for that. Although her best did not seem to be good enough, it still didn't matter to me because at least she didn't run away! :o

If any of you think that she should have won, just make a fanfic about it to vent out your frustration. However, it's going to change a lot of things in the entire plot of Advent Children. :lol: But yeah, it's a challenge. :rolleyes:

Umm... I thought it would have been obvious. The whole movie fight was fanservice. The reason why some people got excited during that fight scene was probably because they're Tifa fans. Just like most of us(big guess here) were excited when we saw Aeris' reflection in Cloud's eyes. Wouldn't we all like the scenes where our favorite characters are in the spotlight?(Portrayed positively of course) It's just one of those things.

But yeah. She did seem like she had no chance when Loz punched her at the end. But I'm guessing that was just a scene to help us better understand exactly how strong the SHM are. Tifa, trained since childhood in martial arts gets her ass handed to her in one shot. Then Cloud comes along and manages to fight two of them at the same time and defeat the last one almost with ease. So not only does it show how strong the SHM are, it also shows us how strong Cloud can be when he's not being a whiny baby.

My rage is not easily contained while I read through this thread, but I guess I have to keep it inside, for the sake of...

Not totally blowing teh casket. :mad:

-deep breath-

I didn't think the fight was fanservice at all, but rather to show the importance of Tifa, and how strong as a fighter she really is. How she too, wants to protect Aeris's sacred place, as well as Marlene.

I also don't think Tifa lost MISERABLY. It was a close battle. If Loz hadn't CHEATED, yes, CHEATED, and zapped her with whatever the heck that thing was, I think she could've totally kicked his ass.

BPMM, calm yourself--I understand your frustration, but unfortunately, I believe it was stated officially that Loz was toying with Tifa.

Which pisses me off to no end--what, she can help take on Sephiroth in the original game, but she can't take on one of his remnants without doing him serious damage?! WTF.

Yep, that was confirmed in Reunion Files. Plus, remember that Loz wanted to "play". :lol: Based on what RF said, Loz could have beaten her right off the bat if he wanted to.

This is why a lot of people feel as if the fight were mere fanservice, because it served absolutely no purpose. It was beautiful and fun to watch Tifa's Limits in full CG. :woot: However, she lost the fight in a humiliating fashion against a foe that was merely toying with her. She also failed to protect Marlene. So, in the end, she accomplished nothing. They could easily have left the fight out, IMO, and the end result would have been the same with less injuries to poor Tifa. :no:

Seriously... they made Tifa look like a pansy in AC. It was ridiculous! :mad: She lost the fight against Loz, couldn't keep Marlene from being kidnapped, had to be rescued by Barret and Vincent later because she couldn't defend herself against Bahamut-Sin, and basically did nothing against Bahamut in the battle except boost Cloud like everyone else. Tifa uses her fists as a weapon. Why the hell would she need to be rescued against Bahamut-Sin?! Thanks S-E.... <_<

What?! That's official? That makes me even more upset. D;

-sniffle-

But, I agree. It was so STUPID how they made her not able to protect Denzel from Bahamut. D:<

Yeah, it's official, and I think it's a great disservice to her character. Just because she's now somewhat emotionally stronger shouldn't mean that she has to trade in a good portion of her strength. =p

Though, putting it in context, the only people who actually did some effective fighting were Cloud and...possibly Cid. Cid stabbed Bahamut, y/n? But yeah, that was about it. I really don't even know why Cait Sith was even there, even though I don't mind him. D:

She was good, i like the whole side step on the walls thing <3 And how she managed to stick to the wall, THAT was very impressive xD

But poor tifa didn't need to be embarrassed like that. SE made her look foolish and weak, WTF?! D; :mad:

I enjoyed Tifa's fight scene. Of course she's not the equal of Loz, but she put up a hell of a fight. Plus the graphics are amazing! I admired her courage but she was totally unsuccessful and got her butt handed to her. I might be alone on this but do you think one reason she was so ticked off because Loz was destroying Aerith's flowers and her church? Thus he insulted the dead and more importantly her friend?

Eh, I don't think so. None of the flowers were destroyed until they actually started fighting. I think she just thought he was creepy, asking where "Mother" is and whatnot.

As for Tifa's fight, it was pretty, and certainly looked impressive, but considering Loz was only toying with Tifa and could've taken her down in round one, she wasn't that great. It's really too bad SE forgot how strong she could be in FFVII and made her get her ass handed to her here. :no: She tried her hardest to protect Marlene though, so she still gets points from me.

It kinda made me laugh when she suddenly bolted up and shouted "Marlene" when Cloud was holding her xD Its like:

Tifa: MARLENE!

Cloud: Huh?

Tifa: Oh cloud, didn't notice you there

Cloud: *drops you down*

Tifa: OUCH!

Anyway, i think SE was just trying to show how powerful Loz was because Tifa is a pretty strong person, and for Loz to be toying with her, must mean he is much more powerful than he looks.

Hardcore fans of Tifa do tend to overhype her abilities, but that's only the fanatical ones. Normal fans think she's a great fighter, which is accurate. And let's not forget the fanatical brand of Aerith fans, who like to claim that Aerith saved the planet pretty much all by herself, which isn't true. So, we're all even, aren't we?

I consider myself a huge Aerith fan, but facts are facts. She isn't omnipotent. But anyway... I am also a huge Tifa fan, just not the biggest on Cloti.


I don't understand why it's impressive for Marlene to stand against a foe she can't hope to defeat, but somehow it isn't impressive for Tifa. I don't think age has much to do with it, personally. It's a quality a person either has or doesn't have.

Marlene and Tifa both have that quality, and it is certainly impressive, certainly commendable. Besides, Tifa doesn't have Jenova cells, and it says in AC that everyone has lost that "feeling" they had back in VII, which I guess was sort of an adrenaline rush, like a desperate thing that comes from everything hanging on what you do.

Well, I don't really think anyone here was saying OMG TIFA IZ A LOZER LOLZ. :lol: I think the majority of us feel it was brave of Tifa to stand up to Loz when she didn't even have a chance. But... did she know she didn't stand a chance? At one point, she thought she beat him. Up until that point, she may have believed that she could deal with him by herself... until he stood up, completely unharmed and answered his phone. I think that, at that point, she realized how outmatched she was. Still, she adopted her battle stance, ready to defend herself and Marlene. Marlene mimicked this herself, tossing the Materia at Loz. However, Marlene knew from the beginning that she was no match for Loz (or any adult, really, considering she's just a little kid and not versed in martial arts). :P

I think the main thing that irritates people here is the fact that, like you stated yourself, Tifa fanatics overinflate Tifa's abilities, making her out to be some all-powerful martial arts goddess. It's pretty absurd, not to mention annoying. When I hear some rabid spouting HOMG TEEFA KICKED SO MUCH ASS IN AC, I just want to say, "O rly? Because Tifa didn't actually defeat one single opponent in AC. Where did she 'kick so much ass', exactly?" :rolleyes: It doesn't mean I dislike Tifa, because I certainly don't. I just don't like fans who are completely clueless about the movie itself, not to mention Tifa's true nature. They claim to be her fans, but how many people like that truly understand her?

Anyways... just my two cents. :D

I agree with FFG.

I don't think Tifa's weak, certainly not, but she's not some ~deadly martial artz goddess~ either. I hate it when her fans blow her abilities (and her roles) out of proportion.

She's only human, she's not invincible, gawd. She's obviously not the goddess her fans make her out to be, she got her ass handed to her by Loz. :rolleyes:

Actually, FFG, what I said was that the fanatical Tifa fans paint her as an undefeatable goddess. The normal ones just think she's bad-ass, which is true. She is a very talented martial artist. And don't ignore the fanatical Aerith fans, who seem to believe that she alone is responsibly for saving the planet. At least the Tifa-holics don't pull that one.

And I hardly said anyone said Tifa was such a loser, but some of the same people who said Marlene was impressive said Tifa wasn't. It's debatable, but I don't think Tifa thought she could beat Loz. Her expression when she boosted herself off the wall wasn't very confident. But Loz was a douche, and pretended to be out, so I think she thought she got lucky. Regardless, even if she didn't realize, I have no doubt she would have done the same. She stood against Sephiroth at the reactor after her father's death. I highly doubt she really thought she could beat him. The guy's was a well-known legend, after all.

So yes, we all basically agree, just don't hold what her the idiotic brand of Tifa fans think against her. She is a great fighter, just not super human. Can't really judge her prowess from a fight with the remnant of the ultimate SOLDIER.

Being a badass isn't just about how one fights. Attitude matters too.
Tifa just doesn't come off to me as a badass. The fact that she's kind of clingy, emotionally weak, and something of a damsel in distress despite the badass skills she clearly possesses just sort of kills her character for me. Heck, Cloud's not even a total badass to me, so why would I see Tifa as one...right? ^.~

Yeah, um, I believe I agreed with you...

You may be right. Maybe Tifa did know that defeating Loz was impossible. I merely offered another POV: that perhaps Tifa thought that she could beat him initially. Honestly, I never said that my alternative POV was correct, I merely offered it up as food for thought. I am not even sure which interpretation is correct. And we could argue back and forth with this forever and never get anywhere because there is no proof either way. Maybe Tifa knew she was in for an ass-beating, maybe she didn't. *Shrugs*

Ouch... that hurts... :lol: But, I guess I feel the same way, too. Tifa is a very vulnerable woman. Underneath all that bravado and talent for fighting is a very shy and insecure woman. I guess that kills all the "badass" talk for me, too. :P She is a very talented martial artist, I will give her that... and I personally think S-E short-changed her in AC BIG TIME (they could have at least showed her beating Bahamut's ass with her bare fists and feet). <_< But, I digress... :lol: