I just started a new game of FF7 today. Yeah, the old game. Astonishing how bad the graphics are. FF6 and FF4 seem easier on the eyes then 7 does. Oh well...

The point is...I'm wandering through this game, and Cloud...has been taken over by Alex!

The trouble is...who's going to volunteer to be the flowergirl?

=O I'll be the flowergirl ^__^ if that's okay :blush:

Hm... a poll would be nice. Though who do you want to be Aerith?

Oh, can I be Yuffie? :D

Pssh.

I'll take Tifa den. :lol: If she isn't already. :whistle:

*ish tempted to volunteer as Mukki* :lol:

What?? He gets to be with nekkid!Cloud in a steam bath! :whistle:

Drat! Aeris is taken!
I'll be Elena!

Lady Aerith seems to have claimed my heart first.
Out of respect for Kaldea, guess I'll have to prove a bunch of CloTis right about the Highwind scene... ;)
Anti-R wisely chose Yuffie because Yuffie's the only one to smooch Cloud on the date.
Sefie has proven that even the TURKs like Cloud...
Yin-chan is disturbing poor me with Yaoi :no:

Ah, but now for the second part of the game.

Guess who I would pick for my flowergirl? ;)

Yin:

:o

Pick me as Sephiroth, Alex!
Hanging with Cloud in a steam bath sounds hawt 'n all, but we all know nothing beats Cloud's devotion and obsession. You 'n I are doomed to be lurvers for all time and across parallel dimensions, yus. :angry:

Let's show ze world how true our wuv is with some romantic beatingz, k?

Alex:

Better make it someone good.
I want some real competition here :P

HD, have you never heard my wisest of all wise sayings?

"One does not let the love of one's life anywhere near insane homicidal psychopaths."

But now I've got TWO yaoi fiends after me! HEEEEEEELP!

You'd pick SEFIE, dat's who! xD

Awwww I'm sowwie :blush: :blush: :blush:

HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE! <3 <3

Best quote evar. :lmao:

j00 made my day, good sir! Well played!

Eh? Aerith isn't an insane homicidal psychopath, dude... :whistle:

So Alex might reject Sephiroth, but we all know Cloud would never do such a horrible thing. The two are clearly obsessed with one another. You're just in denial, yep.

Just curious...but do you guys think this thread belongs elsewhere? Maybe it was meant to be something more serious in the first place, but clearly, we you guys have turned it into something of a spam thread, so...

It's admittedly a little spammy right now, but I've also been combing the game with a fine tooth comb. I might have serious observations later.

In the meantime, I've created this just for you, HD.

:heart: :cloud: :battle: :sephy: :heart:

May all your Yaoi impulses be satisfied.

Damn straight. Plus they're both actually conscious.

*smooches Alex*

Mmmm...

So, the first interesting thing I've noted is something Barret finds comment worthy.

"So, even you fight for other people sometimes...I'm impressed."

Further, he fights for 'free'. Sure, she promised him a date, but...neither Tifa's promise nor Barret's money could get him to stay with Avalanche. In fact, he was probably ready to go after Aerith alone if Barret and Tifa didn't go with him. All without a hint of payment, unless you count the date.

Yeah. Aerith's contract was that Cloud just take her back to her house. Saving her from a building containing soldiers, monsters, mad scientists and Turks is Cloud's initiative. He couldn't possibly be doing this to repay her help with Marlene, because it was Tifa who asked.

Two more observations. Boy, does Tifa get jealous when Aerith mentions the payment as a date in the ShinRa jail cells. Also, it is interesting to note one can build infinite Tifa affection points in the jail cell. Forget the Highwind, that jail cell's where it's at.

Secondly, it is interesting to note it is Aerith who decides to make Cloud leader. Given Cloud's normally fragile male ego, that must've been quite a boost to see a pretty girl demanding he be in charge. Over the objections of someone with a gunarm, no less.

What do you mean, Alex?

And Tifa's interruption in that jail cell both annoys and amuses me-- the former because it was just plain rude, but the latter because it just increases the likelihood that Cloud and Aerith were almost flirting with each other through that wall. Would Tifa have reacted that way had they just been talking casually? :P

I recall he actually walked away without even saying anything, while Tifa and Barret were staring at the wreck that was Sector 7. It was the two who'd insisted on coming along.

Dating mechanics.

You get +1 Tifa every time you talk to her and say 'leave it to me.' You can do this indefinitely if you're so inclined.

You can get infinite Yuffie points too, if you remember to have her run away in the forest several times.

And yes, you're right. Cloud walks off by himself. They had their own reasons for following...but he walked off alone.

It's also notable the girls are eerily similar just outside of Midgar.

If you talk to Aerith, she'll say "It's a little scary, but I've got my bodyguard, right?"
Tifa says, "Well, as long as you keep your promise I'll be okay."

Tifa must put a lot of faith in something she only wants if 'he gets really famous.'

Also...did you ever notice Sephiroth's stats?

3264 HP (-15%, actually 3753)
529 MP (+15%, actually 449)

Str 78 (-7 from materia, actually 85)
Dex 65
Vit 121 (71) (-1 from materia, actually 72)
Mag 75 (+7 from materia, actually 68)
Spr 121 (71) (+1 from materia, actually 70)
Luk 46

Attack 177
Attack %255
Defense 167
Defense % 20
Mag Def 121
Mag Def % 0

That's with Materia equipped too. He's got Fire, Ice, Lightning, Quake, Restore, and Life.

I remember I was angry I couldn't use Sephiroth's materia. ^^;

And am surprised how fast Cloud reached his level by the time everyone climbed the Northern Crater in disk 2.

Ya know....it doesn't affect the date scene, sadly, but did you know there's actually a scene in costa del sol where Aerith asks Cloud 'what do you think of me?'

His choice are 'I dunno' and 'Nothing much.'

I chose the former option, and was rewarded with a conversation about how Aerith doesn't even know how she feels about herself. You get this conversation after talking with Hojo. Aerith'll be lying down on the bed in the inn, but only if she's not in your party.

Oh wow! I had no idea she asks him that! I need to go through and play the game again. You've got me all inspired and wanting to now, Alex :P Poor Aerith. I can just imagine how she feels, constantly being chased after by Hojo, labeled a specimen, being the only one of her kind left on the planet. I just wish Aerith had...opened up a bit more about her feelings, especially in the scene at Cosmo Canyon, but yeah enough of my babbling xD

I make it a point to bring Red XIII and Yuffie when I fought Jenova in that ship, I kind of liked the idea of Arith and Tifa running off together to enjoy the scenery before running into Hojo.

Is it too much to ask to be Cid or Cait Sith?

And maybe I'll try a different party for the JENOVA battle on the ship, too...

Cloud's stats with no materia equipped at level 50, just to compare the poor guy to Sephiroth.

HP:3741 (Virtually the same as Seph, within a margin of error)
MP:454 (Virtually the same as Seph, within a margin of error)

Str 75 (10 lower then Seph)
Dex 45 (20 lower then Seph)
Vit 68 (4 lower then Seph)
Mag 83 (15 /higher/ then Seph)
Spr 69 (1 lower then Seph)
Luck 24 (22 lower then Seph)

It appears, then, that Cloud is an imperfect Sephy clone that somehow is a better mage then the original, but worse or tied at everything else.

Well you have to also take into consideration the materia equipped to sephiroth. His hp would be lowered and mp raised. Strength gone down and magic gone up.

I did. Look at my initial math. I know my numbers.

BTW, how does Masamune compare with, say Ultima Weapon (though the way the Compilation was heading, said weapon does not exist)?

All a lot of good points I've seen, and it's nice to remember the game bit by bit as you mention parts, it makes me want to play the whole game again. Recently my husband and I replayed the last fight with Sephiroth, so we saw the ending again. I swear, it was just exploding with Cleris to me. But I'd really like to replay the whole thing again, now that I know more and will notice more. ^_^

Aw, I was going to be Cait Sith. Well, in that case, I would like to be Rude.

Considering how badass Vincent is in AC and DoC, he doesn't start out that good in FF7.

Level 50 (No materia)
Hp 3270
MP 440

Str 59
Dex 45
Vit 57
Mag 77
Spr 71
Luck 25

AVG 55.6666

Apparently, he's been excercising those two years everyone else was slacking off.

Cid

Level 50 (No materia)

HP 3852
MP 385

Str 68
Dex 42
Vit 69
Mag 71
Spr 65
Luck 24

AVG 56.5

Cid is slow, but he's strong and especially tough...

And he's generally shown to be a lot better then Vincent.

Aerith

Level 50 (No Materia)

HP 3325
MP 489

Str 57
Dex 44
Vit 62
Mag 90
Spr 77
Luck 24

AVG 59

Why yes, we know exactly what Aerith's good for, don't we? Mag 90 indeed...

Tifa

HP 3409
MP 411

Str 67
Dex 54
Vit 64
Mag 71
Spr 67
Luck 26

AVG 58.16

Miss fisticuffs!

Red XIII

HP 3756
MP 422

Str 74
Dex 58
Vit 66
Mag 74
Spr 66
Luck 24

AVG 60.333

Red seems to be the most balanced character

Cait Sith

HP 4175
MP 429

Str 59
Dex 43
Vit 56
Mag 78
Sor 69
Luck 25

AVG 55

Cait's...not very good. Only his HP really stand out as above average.

Barret

HP 4194
MP 392

Str 69
Dex 40
Vit 77
Mag 64
Spr 62
Luck 23

AVG 55.83

Just call him sir Tank. Especially with a long range weapon.

Yuffie

HP 3337
MP 409

Str 65
Dex 55
Vit 59
Mag 75
Spirit 62
Luck 25

AVG 56.833

Yuffie's pretty balanced.

It shall be noted that (other then Cloud)

The strongest is Nanaki
The quickest is Nanaki
The toughest is Barret
The most magical is Aerith
The most spirited is Aerith
The Luckiest is Tifa

By law of averages:
Nanaki:60.33
Aerith:59
Tifa:58.16
Yuffie:56.833
Cid:56.5
Barret:55.83
Vincent:55.66
Cait:55

Clearly, the most useful people overall are Nanaki and Aerith.

How about Yuffie, Red, Cait and Barret?

Hahaha, Tifa gets lucky. :fish:

So the CloTis keep telling us. ;)

Heh, lucky indeed. But what kind of luck...?

Me: Why would he prefer Yuffie over Tifa?
(Graduated) F.Senior: He'll suffocate with Tifa.
M.Senior: *shudders*

Eh, nice time for a flashback.

So, I was watching the date...

People always talk about the lines in the Gondola, but people talk about the play much less.

When you click the 'kiss princess' option, Cloud doesn't take Aerith in his arms and make out with her. No no no. He kneels before her as if proposing, takes her hand, and kisses the back of it. Very romantic for a guy who's never been on a real date. "If you click the 'no, not a real one' option, Aerith goes "Just a mixed up kid." It's even more amusing she basically pushes him through the door. Which is just funny.