Watch.
Haha I love this lady. Right on...

Liberals 1
Liberals 2
Pathetic. If this is the future of America, were screwed.

O'Reilly schools a dem.

Not your parent's democratic party...

And we'll end with perhaps the greatest movie line of all time.

Discuss if you wish.

For the lady in the first video: Iraq War Truly Has Made the World Better

For the guy in the second and third videos interviewing liberals: The number of Iraqis that Saddam Hussein killed is not "over a million." The figure actually stands between 300,000 and 600,000. However, this was over a 23 year period. In the past three and a half years, more than five times less than the amount of time that Hussein was in power, the Iraq war has caused the deaths of an estimated 655,000 Iraqis according to a recent study which is just a tiny bit more than the 30,000 Bush estimated.

And what about our own troops?

Are we allowed to add to the collection? :)

Our Inspirational Leader
Pathetic. If this is the President of our country, we're screwed.

Oops, I forgot. He's already screwed us.

The GOP r0x<3

Stephen Colbert Schools Bush
"Last third is usually backwash"= my new philosophy on politics.

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!"
--President George Walker Bush

Iraq war has made world better: And... that has what to do with freeing a people from a madman? Now at least they have a chance for freedom, instead of none.

What can I say? War is war. We're fighting a more dangerous enemy than Nazi Germany, people that have no second thoughts about killing themselves and taking others with them. You seem to fail to see what were up against. This may sound cold, but frankly id rather see this happening over there than here. Also, what do you think Sadaam would have done during that Isreal/Hezbollah episode? He would have made it worse. Iraq would have been a problem we'd have had to deal with sooner or later.

And nowhere did I say that im Bush's biggest fan. Hes blown it in my opinion, but I dont think Gore or Kerry would have done any better. Those girls are on a much higher level of stupidity than Bush though. But in the end I guess I'd say that im loyal to America, not its leader.

"Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy!" :D

Haha... I found this thing while getting that "democracy" site. Id totally buy this game.

The people of Iraq are better off in the midst of a civil war? They can't be really free to run their own country until America is no longer a military presence there (not suggesting that we should pull out right away) which doesn't look like it's going to be for a loooong time.

War is war, true. But technically, America is not in a state of war right now. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure about this. Either way, I mentioned the death toll because that guy in the video alluded that the "freedom" we've granted Iraqis is better than the mass murders they suffered under Hussein. In fact, the death rate right now is much worse than it was back then. I didn't say that we shouldn't expect casualties. That's a given. But it's a horrible price to pay when even the enemy of this war is an ambiguous one.

We're facing an enemy worse than Nazi Germany? I respectfully disagree. Nazi Germany invaded sooo many European countries, killed with a complete lack of conscience, and was actually a real world power. The same can't be said for Iraq or even the terrorists. The terrorist movement is not nearly as organized and does not have the same military strength that Nazi Germany had.

Something I'd like to comment on...

I'm sorry, I just really don't like this attitude. We are NOT the police force of the world. We are not mandated to do so. We are not a beakon of morality and diplomacy. It is NOT our responsibility to remake the Middle East. I believe in the UN, all countries coming to collective decisions. Not just America deciding that our principles should be enforced on the rest of the world.

About the Bush thing, I didn't assume you supported him. But you posted videos teasing democrats and liberals, so I thought, why not make fun of the GOP's figure head? I'm a bonified Bush-Bashing junkie.

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I love this clip~

Agreed. Although horrible things happened in Iraq under Saddam, it was contained pretty much within that region. It sounds cold, and I'm not saying the suffering of Iraqis under Saddam is unimportant, or that we should ignore it because it isn't happening in our backyards but in some Mid East faraway; but comparing Iraq to Nazi Germany is overdoing it.

It's linking a small, essentially crippled country to images of the Holocaust, inducing a great fear that throws people behind the war effort, without realising that Iraq was not a threat to the US to the degree that the government loved to claim it was.

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And unlike Sadhana, I don't have any videos to save my hiney. Eep. :hide:

Funny enough, the US, instead of focusing on Iraq should have focused on North Korea for obvious reasons. The US government decided to go for Iraq, and look how things turned out.

Hm... well as I remember, when that whole thing about the Danish cartoons happened, first thing this one guy did was run out in the street and shoot up a school bus full of children. THATS the spirit, man! *sarcastic thumbs-up*

Are you somehow implying that they aren't dangerous?

Yeah, and its ok to blow us up if we dont convert to Islam?

One last thing... You be the judge.

Edit: A comment of this picture, I am not saying that all muslims are freaks who strap bombs to themselves... this is talking about the small percentage that do

Nope, wasn't implying that at all. ;) You said that we're facing an enemy more dangerous than Nazi Germany, and I disagreed. To refer back to what I was responding to:

This is what I was disagreeing with. By saying that they killed with a complete lack of conscience, I was saying that Nazi Germany behaved in the way that you said they didn't. (bad sentence, my apologies)

What I was implying was that Nazi Germany was a MUCH more dangerous enemy than the one we're facing now. Not to say that the terrorists aren't dangerous, just that Nazi Germany was more dangerous.

Do you really believe that's why we were attacked on September 11? It had nothing to do with the oppression that America has been laying upon the Middle East for the past few decades?

And as for the picture, well. I disagree with the points they make about the Iranians. Global domination? Call for the genocide of both Christians and Jews? They can't possibly be angry over things like, ya know, the Shah of Iran that we placed in power. :whistle:

Sadly, however, after looking at that picture... I can't help but draw some comparissons between our goals and those of Nazi Germany. I won't name them because it's unnecessary, and it would probably just sadden me too greatly to see where our leaders are taking us. *crosses fingers that next month's elections might place us on an alternative path*

No, im very interested. Elaborate please.

Yeah, and next months elections scare me. Cuz that Foley person of a specific sexual preference which I do not agree with and think is kind of strange did what he did, the U.S. will be in more danger. (more dems in place)

Edit: I was just thinking about this. One of the reasons I hate liberals is because they love playing the blame game. People seem to think that Bush has total control over the world, and when the slightest thing goes wrong... "ZOMG, BLAME BUSH!" Ok ok, so maybe we didnt have enough vaccine for the flu awhile back. Thats ALL Bush, right there. Oh, it must also be his fault that during fall, all the leaves in the trees up north turn pretty colors and fall off. I mean this is the mindset these people have.

Phew... ok my rant is done.

*Sigh* I really didn't want to go into this because I have homework to finish and because it really depresses me to elaborate on how much I don't approve of the current leadership of this country. They say that dissent is the highest form of patriotism, and I really do love this country. Just not it's current leadership. I'll go into this briefly since I do have a lot to do tonight, and add more info in edits tomorrow.

But before I start, firstly, I do not necessarily consider any of the following parallels to be exclusive to the United States. Secondly, I know that you didn't directly say so about me, but just be sure to know that I am not one of those people. I only blame Bush for the things he is responsible for. If I consider myself anything, I consider myself to be politically educated. I don't just blame random politcians without any way of backing up my claims. (And September 11 was not Bush's fault although I find his unwilligness to "swat at flies" a bit disturbing.) Lastly, I really don't like that gross term you used to describe Mark Foley. I would just call him, more appropriately, a pedophile... Either way, it's not the Republican's fault that he did what he did. But it's Dennis Hastert's fault for not doing anything about it.

One similarity between us and Nazi Germany is that we insist on spreading our ideals around the world. We don't seek global domination (thank goodness), but we insist on remaking the Middle East with our culture, morality, and lifestyle as the model. Just as that photo you posted, I think that this country's leadership could easily fit slots 3 and 4.

Xenophobia is becoming about safety and patriotism. Adolf Hitler used the same tactic of exploiting xenophobia to push forward his agenda. This current administration is using all of this unreasonable immigrant reform as a valve to release their own distrust of foreigners. [Edit]: While he served in prison, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf which, among other things, detailed many of the groups he disapproved of (Democrats, Communists, internationalists, Jews, etc.) and accused the Jews of destroying German culture with their parasitism. Such an assertion only reminds me too much of those who say that the illegal immigrants are going to permeate and infect American culture. [/Edit]

A growing amount of jingoism. Our country is the best, the most free, the model for the world. All others should be like us. I'm sorry, but that just reminds me too much of Hitler's tactics he used to rise to the top of Germany's republic in the 1930s. [Edit]: The Nazi party actually got it's support among the extreme nationalists, especially those of the lower classes. They were afraid that a depression would make the German way of life suffer.

The people are losing their care to think about the issues. After September 11 happened, I was so disheartened to see everyone believing Bush when he said that the terrorists attacked us because they hated our freedom. I couldn't believe how many people would actually swallow that, preach it, and not try and seek out the truth. As Adolf Hitler himself said, "What good fortune for those in power that people do not think." [Edit]: Many look at the breaching of civil liberties and the federal government's abuse of the Constitution and see a slippery slope, a path with facism at it's end. Although this may seem far-fetched (and I'm not saying that this outcome is likely), Germany's republic became a dictatorship in a strikingly similar manner.

When Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany, the first thing he did was "fix" the elections of March, 1933. With the Reichstag Fire and intense harrassment of political opponents, the Nazis were able to obtain a majority in the Reichstag. I am most certainly not going to go into the details of Bush's selection in 2000 as that would consume an inornate amount of my time, and while the GOP's tactics were less threatening, it's not difficult to draw a comparisson to the fixing of these two elections. Anyway, once the Nazi party held a majority of seats in Germany's republic, they passed The Enabling Act. In essence, this gave Adolf Hitler and his cabinet dictarorial-like powers in a sly, legal manner. This can be compared to how the Republicans have been able to endorse bills that have given Bush Unconstitutional strength because of their majority in Congress. Hitler went on to illegalize labor unions in May of 1933. All the while, the majority of the people went along with it in hopes of pulling Germany out of her depression. Similar to how many Americans have shown their support for detainee torture, domestic spying, and the Patriot Act in hopes of making America more safe. [/Edit]

(Like I said earlier, I'll edit this post later with historical backup information and the like. I just happen to be extremely busy at the moment.)

Oh, and just be aware: I do not like the Democrats. In fact, I distrust almost all politicians. I'd much rather prefer leaders who are honest in what they say and do (Stewart/Colbert for '08! :giggle: ). But if getting a democratic majority next month gives even the slightest possibility of Bush's impeachment, I'm for it. Besides, I'd take almost any Democrat over a Republican.

lol.

Erm, k. Kind of spammish... Call him gay if you want, I don't care. I just don't like words like faggot or dyke 'cause to me those are the equivalent of racial derogatory terms but for sexual preference.

[Edit]: Oh, shnaps. I keep forgetting to put videos. So... uhh, here: Liberalism At Its Cinematic Best. (Don't watch this clip if you don't want a scene from the first five minutes of V for Vendetta spoiled for you.)

V for Vendetta was the #*@$%'ing shit. Good movie.

I think this clip might be more for what your looking for however...

"And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerence and oppression, and once where you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have sensors and systems of surveillance..."

I agree with what he has to say. But I also think much of what he says can speak about both conservatives and liberals.

1. Cruelty and injustice: It seems that a lot of liberals like the "Thou shall not punish the perp" commandment. (psst, thats made up) Remember "Tookie" Williams? Sure, he wrote some nice childrens stories, but he still coldly executed a number of innocents. And liberals treated it like a get-out-of-jail-free card.

2. Intolerance and oppression: Sure many conservatives dislike gays, but I don't see them being dragged away for being so, like in the movie. They are almost applauded for being gay. Well liberals have their share of dislikes also. They don't like judges who display the Ten Commandments in their courtrooms. They don't like people who beleive that marriage is a sacred institution and not just an opportunity to sneak a right to contraception in the Constitution. They don't like people who think a multiple murderer gang leader like Tookie Williams should be given the death penalty. And they especially don't like blacks who stray from liberalism and become Republicans.

3. Free thought and speech: How about taking the pledge out of schools? For petes sake people, im living in this country. I think I have the right to pay respects to it. If it ever IS taken out, which im sure it wont, I would say it anyway. Many liberals also go out of their ways to attack those who don't agree with gay marriage.

4. Surveillance: Touchy subject. I know that in the movie, people's every step was watched. Could the USA Patriot Act be the start of something like this? Perhaps, but I don't mind it at the moment. It can do a lot more good than harm. Ill let you know, however, that I am against the goverment having the right to barge into someones home and beat the shit out of them.

Well thats all for now. But remember this... Im not blind. I see whats going on. And I do what I think is best for the people of this country, not the conservative party and least of all the President.

Also, heres something you might find interesting. I took it again just now, and was interested by my results. Heres mine.

Social Moderate: 43% permissive.
Economic Liberal: 35% permissive.
I am a centrist, and exhibit a very well-developed sense of right and wrong and believe in economic fairness.

According to that test, I'm 86% Social Liberal and a Socialist. Unfortunately, I prefer Capitalism to Socialism. I think Capitalism is the best system we have out there for economics right now, although I strongly believe that a much better, more fair system could exist. Something that is a blend between doing what's best for everyone and yourself.

Going back to V for Vendetta, I still strongly consider it a liberal movie. But no, I picked the clip I did on purpose. When he blows up the Old Bailey, it was an act of dissent, protest, and a need for change. Perhaps I just associate these things too much with liberalism as these are the times I grew up in...

When he talked about cruelty and injustice, what immediately comes to my mind is the treatment of detainees, white rich people getting out of prison time because they have lots of money, suspension of the writ of habeas corpus...

I don't think those are fair assumptions. As a liberal myself, I'm not intolerant of these kinds of people. I don't like their ideas, but I certainly wouldn't seek to oppress them if I had the power to. Intolerance in regards to conservatives however, well... there's the definite intolerance towards gays that you mentioned. No, they don't get dragged away for being gay (now), but the conservatives in power deny them the right to marriage which is certainly a type of oppression. Also, there's the conservative intolerance towards immigrants. With the bill they tried to pass regarding immigrants, they're definitely trying to oppress them (throwing anyone in jail if they so much as give food to illegal immigrants). Disliking someone is different than intolerance and oppression.

If they were to take the pledge out of schools, they would not illegalize your right to say it. They would simply illegalize a public school's ability to say it over the announcements. You'd still have your rights to free thought and speech. And about liberals attacking those who don't agree with gay marriage, I still don't consider that as a breaching of free thought and speech. I can vehemently disagree with these kinds of people, and debate with them over the issue for hours. However, liberals don't seek to take away the rights of these people to say something simply because they don't agree with it.

You may not mind it at the moment, but I'd much prefer to immediately root out ANY form of illegal surveillance of American citizens. Again, this is largely a liberal ideal, choosing essential liberties over the concept of safety.

Oh, you're clearly not blind. It's very obvious that you know what you're talking about, and are educated in the issues. I happen to disagree with much of what you have to say, but that's just life.