Ok, am I the only one who feels this way?

SPOILERS

-First of all, both Cloud and Vincent blaim themselves for not beign able to save the woman they loved (as showed in AC during the "can sins be forgiven?" dialoge).
-None of the girls blaims them for what happened.
- They both chose to go through with the very dangerous tasks (Lucrecia when she chose to do the experiment and Aerith when she went to pray for holy).
-Cloud and Vincent thought they would never see the woman they love again, but they were both wrong.
-Hojo experimented on both girls.
-BOTH VINCENT AND CLOUD WERE BODYGUARDS FOR LUCRECIA AND AERITH!!!!
-I think the scene in which Lucrecia falls down and you see a short image of the white materia falling brings both girls even closer together.
-Phisically, the hair is very similar, long, brown, with ourageous bangs, tied back and with a big ribbon! :aeris:

What do you think?

I've ALWAYS thought this.

Their stories are freakin' PARALLELS. xD

Except Vincent's is a bit of a darker one than Cloud's....:o

I am sorry but I do not think that Lucrecia and Aerith are alike other than appearance. Mostly because I believe Lucrecia did NOT love Vincent. She saw him as a close friend, nothing more. Aerith, on the other hand, is the tragic lady whose death has created one of the most touching love stories ever.

I haven't played DoC, but I heard that it was confirmed that she loved Vincent. Hmm...

In any case, Aeris and Lucrecia do have very similar stories, and they look a lot alike. ^^

I played both versions of it and I still interpet it as her never having any sort of special feelings for him. It was a once sided love for poor ol' Vinny in my opinion

Well when i played it i felt like Lucrecia loved Vincent's Old man, but that is my opinion. You can say Vincent and Cloud almost had the same thing they did lose the loves of their lives but um Lucrecia IMO did not really love Vincent the way he wanted her to, she might have felt guilty. I mean she even said that his eyes reminded her of his father. Or did i imagine those words? O_o well there are a few things here and there but not exactly. Am I even on topic...? O_o;;;;

I think she did, she just kept pushing him away because she felt way too much guilt about the death of his father.

Thats exactly what I keep saying. To me, it looked like Lucrecia didn't want to be with Vincent because she feels she is responsible for his fathers death and harbors to much guilt over it. However, Vincent doesn't feel that its her fault, but it can't be helped. Lucrecia already made her choice to be with Hojo ((God only knows why... :puke: )) So yeah, I definetly think they both loved each other. Lucrecia just had to much guilt over his father to ever have a romantic relationship with him.

Lucrecia loved Vincent. Its one of those fast flashes of sentences in chapter 10, I think. And she said that he survived, and for that she was glad.

The reason she couldn't continue that relationship (they were even dating at some point) was that Vincent eventually found out that she knew his father, and that her own research was the reason why he died. So... their feelings was fated to fail in the worst possible way. But I do believe the two loved each other.

Unfortunately I would have to say that I do not see Lucrecia and Aerith in equal footing at all. For one thing, I do not believe that Aerith would walk that path Lucrecia did.

Anyways, I was re-playing Metal Gear Solid 3, and I heard the conversation with Para-Medic and Snake about the idea of cloning. Snake thinks its a terrible way for humanity to head to, but Para-Medic said that even if it may look morally wrong, her view as a scientist couldn't help but be excited with such a prospect. I guess Einstein felt no different, even if his research led to the creation of the atomic bomb. Lucrecia, in her part in the Omega thesis and the Jenova Project, seems to go to that route as well. Maybe she simply can't help it.

But still, even if it was a way to push Vincent away from her by marrying Hojo, you'd think she'd pause to cross the line concerning her child. It's such a shame, really.

It is strange to note that regardless the stuff Lucrecia did, Vincent unconditionally loves her. There's something nice about that, even if I can't help feeling sorry for the guy.

Hmm... well, I haven't played DoC yet (even though I've had it for a few weeks now)... *Gets bricked* :ow: However, it seems to me that, while there are a few differences between VinCrecia and ClAeris, there are many more similiarities. Are Vincent and Cloud exactly alike? No, but they share certain qualities and resemble each other somewhat. Are Lucrecia and Aerith exactly alike? No, but, again, they seem to share resemblances both physically as well as sharing certain circumstances in their lives. The relationships between Vincent and Lucrecia, and Cloud and Aerith are very similiar and there are many parallels. So, I don't understand why anyone would deny these parallels. I don't see anyone here saying that VinCrecia and ClAeris are exact copies of one another, just that the relationships share many parallels and similiarities. :P

I think that they are alike, but there are some differances like FF_Goddess said :ermm: I just think the relationships are the same mostly. ^_^

ZOMG IT'S TRUE! *does a backflip* WOAH! that is awesome! but feel bad for cloud and vinny... *pats them both* *then kicks them* CHEER UP I SAY! you make the darkmoon sad... *then we ignite a beautiful lovefest* :devil:

I think there are some similaters and some differences, but I don't think there were excatly alike. Yet, I do believe that Lucrecia still somewhat loves Vincent (in a werid way) even though she is guilty over his father's death.

Another CxA reincarnation eh? :P Lucrecia and Aerith have some differences though in a thought, but imo generally alike. I also think Cloud and Vincent are alike in a way too, dontcha think so? Vincent never found any other woman after Lucrecia's death, and as a Cleris I think Cloud will never find any other woman for him, only Aerith!!! :cleris: DoC rocks btw.

i think Lucrecia and Aerith only match in apperence. Both beautiful that's for sure. And oh yeah i forgot that they also share in having the sexiest guys fall for them...whoot-whoot!

Hoo boy, I just finished playing DoC last night. Stayed up until well past midnight to do it but man. . . *cough*

The similarities between VxL to CxA are overwhelming. The stories are parallels in so many ways. But first things first, comparing Aerith and Lucrecia. From the moment I saw Lucrecia on the screen, there could be no denying that she looked like an Aerith clone. Same type of hair color, style, and everything. Personality wise, they are quite different. Aerith has much more a sense of innocence, light, and purity around her than Lucrecia who seems more experianced and well, kind of the way Tifa is sometimes, if you know what I mean. Both Aerith and Lucrecia both have a sort of playful, teasing nature about them. Both Aerith and Lucrecia seem to enjoy teasing their loves though who can blame them? :D CLoud was a bodyguard for Aerith just as Vincent was for Lucrecia. And also, both girls were involved with other men. Aerith with Zack, though we KNOW that is over, then Lucrecia's thing with Hojo.

Vincent and CLoud are similar too. They both angst and grieve SO much, and they take so much blame on themselves for the loss of their lady loves. Both believe themselves to be sinners, and they both have to deal with inner demons. For Vincent that was obviously Chaos inside him, and for CLoud its the Jenova Cells and Sephiroth.

I want to write more about this, but I don't have time. One last thing though, is this scene. The one where Lucrecia is reaching out to Vincent with the materia. . . was it just me or did that remind you guys of Aerith reaching out to CLoud? :whistle:

I agree with opening statement a little bit. Aeris and Lucrecia may have had some things in common with their physical apperance but Vincent protected Lucrecia because he was assigned to. Cloud on the other hand protected Aeris out of his freewill. That and Vincent didn't have to bury Lucrecia in a lake are the only differences between Cloud and Vincent.

Well, maybe that's how it started out, but eventually Vincent fell for Lucrecia and so his protecting her was also because he wanted to, because he really cared for her. Also, I'm unclear on something. How exactly did Lucrecia die? Was it because of complications with her birth? Did she get sick? Murdered? Suicide? I never felt that was explained clearly.

She couldn't die easily because of her Jenova cells, despite her desire to kill herself (she said that line in FFVII). DoC didn't really tell us how she encased herself in that crystal.

Hmmm. A mystery that will never be solved. Well, Lucrecia also did say to Vincent that the image of her in the crystal wasn't real, that her physical self had crumbled long ago. :blink: Who knows? There's still some unanwswered questions about her, and I dunno if we'll ever figure them out.

I also can't decide which coupling I like better for Vincent. I love his relationship with Lucrecia because it so closely echos Cloud and Aeriths, but I also loved the sweet moments between Vinnie and Yuffie too. *sigh* Here we go with another LT.

DEFINITLY! I felt the same way.
That is why I think the creators were trying to create some sort of parallel between their stories.

Also, the idea you were talking about, how Lucrecia is not gone but not entirely alive reminds me of Aerith, who is still there even though she is gone.

I just beat the game. The only resemblence I see between Lucrecia and Aerith is that they are so funny when they try to get their loved ones to forgive themselves.

It was a little annoying with Lucrecia saying she was sorry all the time.

Ah, but the end...so worth Vincent's smile ^_^ I'm becoming a fangirl of his now!

I wish SE would have touched on why Lucrecia was in that crystal though...Perhaps that's where her spirit manifested itself, because she knew that Vincent, if he survived would come looking for her body? Who knows...darn you SE!!!

Anyway, my overall score was a B...I only found 1 of the G reports...bums me out because I really wanted to see the secret ending with my own eyes.

Major props to SE for leaving REDEMPTION and LONGING in Japanese. I hope they start to do that more often with their games. Hopefully they'll finally decide to put in an option for Japanese language with subtitles. That'd be so sweet!

Sorry I got off topic, I was just so excited!

Yay! I'm glad I wasn't the only one!! And I agree, the creators are making tons of parallels with the stories!

Something else too. . . the crystal with Lucrecia's image inside for Vincent reminds me of how Aerith's Church is for Cloud. The church and the crystal are places that were special to both woman, and its a place now after their deaths that has become special to the men. I mean, how many times are we shown Vincent brooding beside that crystal? It seems to be similar to the way Cloud is always going to the church, even going so far as to live in it. These places are to them the place they feel the closest to their lady loves. :wub:

I wish they would have cleared the crystal thing up too! Grah, curse you SE!!! *shakes fist*

And I loved the songs in Japanese too ^_^

I believe Lucrecia did love Vincent, or cared for him greatly, but possibly not in the way he wanted, which was in a romantic sense. I believe they share a deep connection, and that Lucrecia saw him as a dear, close friend. She even mentions to Vincent: "These are my true feelings, even if you never understand them."

I think her feelings were more complex then "They just loved each other." It ran a lot deeper, more then friends not quite lovers thing. :)

Its never once stated what these "true feelings," are, but its hinted. "Even if you never understand them," I think hints at a rift between them, maybe even a lack of understanding on Vincent's part about Lucerica: people are only human, they make mistakes. Vincent romanticised Lucerica, putting her on a pedestal, believing she could do no wrong, which isn't exactly healthy in a relationship where the feeling isn't returned. In FF7, Lucerica seemed more concerned over Sephiroth then Vincent, locking herself away, believing her son was dead. In DOC, whenever Vincent approached her form, she would cry out, telling him to stay away. However, this could all maybe be down to her incredible guilt she harvested.... but I'm babbling again. However, Lucerica also mentions shes so happy Vincent survived, of course which hints at a caring relationship.So confusing.....*le sigh*

I think they were close, very, very close and were deep set friends, but the romantic feelings on Lucerica's parts for me, only seemed platonic.

But I am a VinxLuc shipper. :gift:

Lucerica and Aerith are alike, physically and with some of their nature with their light hearted, cheerful and friendly personalities. However, Lucerica was flexible, able to be swayed by Hojo to experiment on their baby, which I think is something that Aerith would never do. She seems much more stubborn then that,and not so naive. The flower girl seems to have a much more profound emotional strength then Lucerica as well. Both women rock though, and are among my most favourite characters in the series.

VinxLuc and Clerith is scarily similar somehow.
Sorry about the essay. :blush:

When i played FFVII ( not dirge ) i thought they were already similar, but these points also just support this theory even more. And vincents outfit and clouds outfit in KH are very similar so their stories are too? :cleris:

umm just to tell every one i hate lucrecia as much as i do tifa :guns:

I think Vincent Loves shalua not lucrecia
I see a lot of similarities between
shalua=aerith
lUCRECIA=Tifa :blast: :chocobo:

lUCRECIA broke vincents heart (just like tifa did to cloud):shoot:

shalua helps him and he protects her
:fangirl:

:blink:

I really don't see how Shalua is like Aerith. Personality wise and appearance wise, they have nothing in common. Does Shalua help Vincent? Well, yes. They're friends at most. But the main focus that Shalua has is on Shelke, and little else. Vincent does protect Shalua, but then again, they're friends, and its to be expected. But if you're comparing Aerith and Cloud to Shalua and Vincent, I'd have to disagree- the relationships are nowhere near the same.

As for Lucrecia breaking Vincent's heart. . . it's true, she did cause him quite a bit of suffering. Unintenitionally, perhaps, but she did. But she does everything in her power to make amends for it, don't you think? She tried to save his life when Hojo shot him, and through Shelke, Lucrecia makes her feelings and regrets known to Vincent. You could easily argue that Aerith broke Cloud's heart when she died; unintentional, but it happen, and yet, we see in AC that Aerith is trying to help Cloud overcome that. Similarities, don't you think?

As for Lucrecia's feelings toward Vincent, I do believe she loved him. But it wasn't as simple as that; she may have loved Vincent, but she harbored extreme guilt over the death of Vincent's father- she says at one point that Vincent's eyes are like his father's. Could it be that every time she looked at him she was reminded again and again of how she had failed Grimore (I think that's his name. . ), and in contrast, that she had robbed Vincent of his parent? Quite a problem, don't you think? Another problem was that Lucrecia was something of a work-a-holic. We see that she gets carried away by her research- with her studies with Grimore Valentine and with the experiments she was working on with Hojo- so when she got too deep into her research she pushed Vincent away. There were too many things coming between Lucrecia and Vincent, not allowing them to have a simple, easy love story. Much like Cloud and Aerith- they couldn't have the loving relationship they wanted because of the circumstances they were caught up in.

Aerith and Lucrecia do have their differences, but they have eerie similarities. Appearance wise they look very much alike with their long brown hair and bangs- Lucrecia sporting a ponytail and Aerith her braid :) They are both cheerful and teasing- especially when it involves Vincent and Cloud. They also both died in tragic ways, and after their deaths appear to comfort and ease the guilt of the men who believed they failed them. They are not clones, but there are parallels that can't be dismissed. ^_^

Who is shalua? o.o

But alantie kinda said most of the things i was going to say about similarities of Luc and Aer. They are both very important women to both guys and they have the whole love after death concept <3

Please do not double post. It is against the forum rules.

Where is your evidence of this? :unsure: I personally find that hilarious since Vincent helps everyone and everyone ends up helping him.

And Shalua is Shelke's sister, Kaleta. ^_^

Shalua is a scientist and a member of the WRO group. She is also Shelke's older sister, and has been searching for her ever since she was kidnapped. (Shelke is the girl in my siggy) Here's a pic of Shalua, if you still aren't sure: HERE

CG:

Lol, yes indeed. It's not much to use as 'proof'. By the same logic you could say that the little kid that Vincent helps (and later the kid helps him find a card key) could be a pairing. :blink:

Kaleta:

Exactly, dear. ^_^ Even after death, both women find a way to reach out to the men they love.

More questions xD Who is Shelke? xD hehe!

Alantie Thanks for the picture! :3 she reminds me of Quistis =O!

And yeah they do reach out to each other, and both the guys do the same xD

Shelke is the girl pictured in my siggy, though here's another image of her HERE. Though she looks like she's 9 or 10 physically, she's actually 19- when she was kidnapped as a child she was taken by Deepground and experimented on with Mako, much the way Cloud was by Hojo. The experiments stunted her growth, but also gave her abilities such as she is able to move faster, turn invisible, and she has the ability to do SND's, or Net diving. She is able to to project her consiousness into a virtual network to gather fragments of data and work with computers extremely well. Shelke eventually became a member of the elite force of Deepground called the Tsviets. In the group, Shelke was called the Transparent. At first Shelke is very cold and emotionless, and her alligence is entirely to Deepground, though as time goes on, she starts to change. :) I hope that helps! I don't want to spoil you entirely for DoC if you haven't played it.

I never thought of it, but you're right- Shalua does sort of look like Quistis!

Kaleta:

Oh, completely! Both Vincent and Cloud believe it's their fault that Lucrecia and Aerith died, and they're also searching for a way to be forgiven. Which is why that conversation between them in AC about forgiveness is so neato. ^_^ Vincent and Cloud are also both former employees of Shinra, and have both been royally screwed up by Hojo's messed experiments.

OMG! she sounds so awesome! :3 and i want to buy DOC asap, but i have no moneh! D; GAHHH!!!

And yes, most people completely ignore Cloud and Vincent's convo about sins ... such a shame, they'd realize they are much alike, and so are the women they love, which is so cool! :cleris:

A little troll came out to play. . . *shakes head*

Kaleta:

Shelke is pretty awesome! Probably my most favorite new character on DoC! I hope you'll be able to get the game soon- it's so much fun!

Kaleta:

Yes, the fact that Cloud has this conversation with Vincent is highly significant. After all, Vincent believes he has the same sin that he does- failing to save the woman they love. I think it's funny that when Vincent says that "I've never tried," in reference to sins being forgiven, Cloud seems to be jolted, and thinks it over before deciding he's going to try. ^_^ So alike, the two little angsties. *ruffles their hair*

I have to buy KHII and save money for CC first xD so i can't

Also, most Cloti's say the fact that Vincent are Cloud are the same with sins, but Cloud actually wanting to do something about it, makes them very different and erases Aerith and Lucrecia connections. <_<

Ah, sad! :( I'd let you borrow my copy, if I could, lol.

:blink: I personally think that's crap. I don't think it's not that Vincent didn't want to do anything to be forgiven, it's just that he didn't believe there was anything he could do to be forgiven. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Vincent in the original FFVII game talks about how he decided to come with Cloud and the others as a way of finding forgiveness? I'm not positive on that though.

And even if it WERE true that Vincent wasn't searching for a way to be forgiven, how does that negate the fact that Aerith and Lucrecia are similar? *shakes head* It doesn't. They still share physical traits, personality traits, both suffered a tragic fate, reach out to the men they love after death, and so on. It doesn't change anything. It's just Clotis being lame. ^_^

AHHH!! i said that! D; someone is spying on our forum and saw this xD Because apparantly we were talking about Cloud & Vincent similar = Aerith & Lucrecia similar, so if Cloud and Vincent are similar, that means the girls aren't either. My my, the logic .... oh i still havent shown you the reply i got! xD *pms*

Lol. You have to love their logic. :rolleyes: Lucrecia and Aerith can't be similar because that would dsetroy their Cloti proofz. Little forum spies. *shakes head* Cloud and Aerith can't be like Vincent and Lucrecia because that would mean their stories parallel each other, making Clerith the cannon! *gasp* Also interesting, that Cloud in KH is wearing an outfit that is very similar to Vincent's, with the red tattered cape and the gold claw arm thing. Coincidence? I think not!

And yes, you must tell me how your debate is going! I'm interested to see what twisted logic this person is spewing.

Totally :lmao: And i do love Cloud's KHI outfit, much better than his dark outfit ;-; He had a wing back then! D: Also, apparently, Cloud's so called vincent outfit is not official xD Cloud and Vincent dress and act alike, and so does Aerith and Lucrecia D; Why is that so hard to accept?!

Its actually more like a friendly conversation than a debate xD But i shall tell you anyway, hehe.