Okay an idea popped up in my head today and so I decided to make it a topic. There have been several threads talking about favorite couples and disliked couples. Most of the time people have only put the couples names. I started to wonder how people get to love their favorite couples so I though, why not explain why but also add a dimention to make it more fun. And we all know what it is like to debate canon vs. fanon couples right? :whistle: So I thought it might be fun to defend your favorite couples in video games you play. Here is an example of what I had in mind.

Reno and Tifa(characters from FVII and FVII:AC)

My favorite fanon couple is Reno and Tifa. Here are some reasons why. First(and very simply) I think they look good together. They are both hot and it appears to me that serious sparks would fly if they got together as a couple.

For a more in depth reason I think their personalities would be good for each other, not to mention a lot of fun to witness. Besides the realtionship would be interesting with the fact that the foundation begins with the fact that they were once enemies, and the Turks and Avalanche, at least at the end of AC, didn't seem to have a definiton as to what their relationship was. You can see how many issues this could bring up for both Tifa and Reno but I see that as a chance for growth for both characters not a deal breaker.

I truly think SE should have explored this option, or hopefully still will(depending on when the Compliation ends). Tifa deserves to have a little love and not be constantly waiting for Cloud. Again I feel Tifa is being portrayed in a very limited range in both AC and Kingdom Hearts and this realtionship could spice things up for her.

These are some of the reasons I like Reno and Tifa as a couple and would hope someday for this couple to become canon instead of fanon :P

Okay so there is my example, you can go into as much detail as you want and I think it would be great if a couple comes up that you don't like you could counter their argument. Havre fun and remember this can be any video game couple fanon or canon, not just FF. Have fun!

Alright, I'll start by countering Reno and Tifa since I'm more of a Fack person. I wouldn't care at all really if Reno and Tifa got together, I'm just playing devil's advocate. :evil:

During the game, Rude was actually the one who admitedly liked Tifa, and since Reno and Rude are friends, we wouldn't want any problems to errupt between them over her.

Tifa's always wanted a hero to watch over her ever since she was a little girl. Reno couldn't serve as this hero, everytime you fight him in the game, he ends up running away. He even runs away in AC when he catches sight of Bahamut SIN. I don't think he's the kind of guy who would protect her, something that always seemed important to Tifa.

I agree that Tifa deserves someone to love her (although I would pair Tifa with no one first of all just because I like her single the most), but I think that Zack would be much more fit for her than someone like Reno. Sure, he's got the fun-side of his personality that Tifa needs to balance her's, but Zack has it also. And Zack is the protective, strong one who fits the "hero" archetype, a hero that's she's always wanted. Reno runs away from most serious battles.

Excellent Sadhana. I too feel that if there had been a chance for Zack and Tifa he may have been the ideal guy for her because of the aspects you said. If there was a way for the couple to be possible, I would not object to it. However at least in the FFVII world that seems that will not be inless they meet in the lifestream ^_^ So since that is the case I still like the unconventional pairing of Reno and Tifa.

You are correct that Rude was the one who liked Tifa and yes it could create a problem but I actually think that would again make the progresion of Tifa and Reno getting together more interesting to see how each of their friends handle it. I think obviously there would be a time whent hey tried to keep it secret because of their friends but many stories deal with people falling in love with someone they would not expect including their friend's crush or love which can make great drama.

As for Reno being less than a hero, yes that is true but he, as do the Turks as a whole, show glimpses ofdoing the right thing and or helping Avalanche out. And if Reno is a combination of the guy in FVII and the guy in AC then it would be great to see the development of his character and see if he grows with Tifa or would it be doomd because in the end they are too different.

I think the idea is too interesting not to explore ^_^

Interesting idea, aerisbolt! I was always curious why people liked certain couples too, but nobody ever elaborates on them in their lists.

Might as well set this out before anything happens:

- This is a debate, so everyone play nice and no bashing of couples. :D On the flip side, please don't get cheesed off if someone doesn't agree with your couple. Stepping into this thread means you're opening yourself up to possibilities that others won't see things your way.

- As of now, please don't include fanon couples with Cloud or Aerith in them (e.g. Aerith/Leon or Cloud/Yuffie). I will confirm with the staff if we allow Cloud and Aerith in fanon couples in this thread (which can get messy if you consider Cloti fanon...), but for now, I'm following the precendant laid out in the Clubs section (which forbids starting clubs with Cloud or Aerith in hetero pairings with other characters).

Yeah, boring ol' Lynn is just here to set some ground rules. :razz: I'll dig through my memory for any couples of my own later. I tend to like single characters who die or don't get any screentime most of the time.

Oh thank you so much Lynn, that means a lot!
I am glad you put some ground rules, i appreciate it very much :huggle: That way there is no confusion.

Okay now back to the topic at hand....enjoy!

Just to add to Reno/Tifa--I don't think it was necessarily bad that Reno ran away from Bahamut SIN--he ran with a kid in each arm, didn't he? You know that had to win some hero points for him. XD

But ditto that Reno and Tifa might have a problem with Rude's reaction. If anyone is close to Reno, I think it'd be Rude, and that's where I'd kinda have to see how he'd react to give a solid opinion.

But for the most part, I think Reno and Tifa could hold a lot of potential.

Well, Rude and Reno are constantly portrayed together, and you really have to consider the number of times they've walked out together through the same set of doors :P

Rude and Reno belong together. ^^

Well, considering FFVII's theme and what SE did with Cloud and Aerith's relationship transcending death, I don't see why they couldn't do the same with Zack and Tifa. I really don't think it's necessary at all for both of them to be alive.

I do think Reno and Tifa look smexy together though... *shrugs*

Hmm...

Hades Daughter: I feel that the transcending dath one an individual thing between Cloud and Aeris because of her being a Cetra and their souls meeting. Unless I am mistaken, Tifa didn't have a chance to make that kind of connection with Zack and since neither are Cetra I think that makes them unable to connect, unless she dies too :unsure: Like I said before I like the idea of them but there are not a lot of ways for them to get together so I loose interest pretty quick. :D

If I mayI just recently read a fanfic and there was a litle bit of Yuffietine(is that the way to put it) in it. This pair had never crossed my mind and then I saw people posting it in other couples threads about them tas well as fanfics. Anyone care to enlighten me on why this couple is great cause I am not really seeing it? :unsure:

By the many PM's I've sent you aerisbolt, you know how big of a ReTi fan I am. That pairing has got to be my favorite fanon couple, EVER. I mean, just look at my webpage. XD But I seriously adore the possibility of a Reno and Tifa hookup. Yeah, it won't happen most likely, but its fun to think so, right? XD I love this pairing because I just think Reno and Tifa compliment each other so nicely. Sure they have their differences ((he's a Turk, she's a member of Avalanche)) but if you look past all that, this pairing is definetly teh smex.

Yuffintine is another one of my favorites. But I also like Cresintine ((Lucrecia x Vincent)) too. Believe it or not, I'm also a sucker for canon as well. :P

((and aerisbolt, was the fic you were talking about "Moving the Unmovable?"))

As a matter of fact IG it was that exact story. How did you guess :lmao: :giggle:

And as you mentioned (the Turk, Avalanche thing) and as Inuyatta also pointed out(thanks for responding!) with Reno's friendship with Rude, this leads for potential interesting and drama filled stories along with possible growth for not just Reno and Tifa but also everyone else involved with them. But I already said that didn't I ^_^ So I will try to not repeat myself(sorry).

Plus I think it is more interesting than say Barrett and Tifa, though Marlene would be an understandable factor in a possible love blooming.

Oh and I apologize to HD I never responded to her other coupling...Rude and Reno, well they are best friends and work together so that would make seeing each other pretty easy and they would already know a lot about each other...it's just not my thing(no offense meant).

aerisbolt:

:giggle:

I guess I should take this more seriously?
The whole RudeXReno thing was just a joke. On a serious note, I guess I'm just not very fond of the idea of anything tearing the two inseperable friends apart, not even if it'll give me the chance to watch some major drama. ^^

Maybe one does need to be Cetra in order for them to be able to actually communicate with their loved ones after having passed away...but in general, I don't think death is an issue with whether you can or can't love someone. For example, Zack most likely will not be able to communicate directly with Cloud after having passed away, but that doesn't stop him from being Cloud's friend. Just like how Tifa has the potential to develop feelings for Reno in the future, it's just as possible for her to develop feelings for Zack through what they've been through together in the past, and still love him though he's dead. Ack, I should drop out of the discussion though since I'm not really even a Fack or Reti fan. I really just prefer my Tifa single.

Not a Yuffentine fan. Honestly, I see a fully grown man and child when I think of these two characters getting together (not that I actually think Yuffie is just a child or anything) ^^;

Oh..opps :blush: I thought you might have been joking HD but I wasn't sure so that is why I answered that part....me=tool.

You don't have to drop out of the discussion, it is for fun...but what I meant by that is for people not to get upset at each other more than anything else. I put this here in this format because I saw people put there couples down on other threads but a lot of time there was no explaination on why the person liked the couple they liked. So I was curious on why people like the couples they do, btu I tried to make it more interesting by using a debate format...and I guess failing miserably :(

You can talk about any couple except for pairings that include Aerith or Cloud with other people as Lynn pointed out. It could be Anime couples or different games and or series, it doesn't have to be final fantasy couples necessarily. I just used Reno and Tifa as an example cause I like the pairing and wanted to show why. Sorry if I confused everyone :ermm:

So please if anyone has a couple they want to talk about please do(just check Lynn's rules) :D

Hey, this'll be fun. Except I felt like talking about Mega Man series (either original, X, EXE, etc) or Digimon pairings.

Okay, I'll start off with an straight pairing...once I think of it and if anyone here even knows it.

How about...Zero/Ciel from Mega Man Zero? (PLEASE let there be someone who knows them.)

-revives-

Eeeek! Sorry about that, PKA. I don't think anyone knows about that pairing. :hug:

I'd love to debate the whole 'Fayt/Sophia' and 'Fayt/Maria' pairing, but since Fayt/Sophia is so darn canon-y, I won't. -crawls into her little corner of shame-

So, Here it goes, my 3rd OTP and 1st Anime OTP, Kira x Lacus from Gundam Seed/Destiny. (You all knew this was comming, didn't you?! D:)

Where do I start...? Okay, first of all, let's take a look at Kira's character. He's very kind-hearted, modest and a little bit (?) on the emotional side. Over the course of Gundam Seed, it's evident that he Kira is very confused over his position in the war about fighting his own people. His race as a coordinator has been used by indirect racial discrimination to him. So, this is where Kira's emotional side comes from.

Let's take a look at Lacus now. I know many fellow GS fans have been complaining that she's one big Mary-Sue but I beg to differ. I won't go into that now but Lacus is very pretty, smart, upbeat, kind, and even though this has nothing to do with it, she's a great singer. She has felt direct racial discrimination for her race as being a coordinator as well, but even though she looks soft on the outside, she's quite tough on the inside.

So, what's my definition of love? It’s a highly complicated emotion forged primarily from bonds of trust and deep understandings between two people. Even though these two don't have the same experiences as each other, they can still meet each other on an emotional level.

Kira already has been going through so much with statements and actions piercing through his heart that causes him to be so deeply sadened by these factors. Lacus, as highly wise as she is, can clearly see this through Kira and understands his situation and personality. This is evident because in episode 8, Kira says that an Earth Alliance Federation ship dosen't exactly welcome a Coordinator with open arms, but Lacus has noticed that Kira has been completely kind to her so far. Kira states that it's because he's a coordinator as well, but to Lacus that dosen't matter. Kira is kind because he's Kira, Lacus states.

As well as episode 40-something, After some influence by Fllay, Kira says to Lacus that he won't cry anymore, but it's obvious in that scene he's ready to break any moment. (sorry...I just have to 'lol' at that) Lacus says to him that it's okay to cry, and Kira then proceeds to cry on her lap.

Those are a few examples on why I support Kira/Lacus (other than how it's so darn canon-y) because of all the wonderful girls in the GS universe, Lacus (besides Cagalli) is the one most capable of understading and meeting Kira on an emotional level. I think it's safe to assume that this is something that will grow into trust and maybe even something more deeper and much more intimate.

Someone get Tenshi_Aerith here! She supports Kira/Fllay right? I'd love to debate with her. :devil:

Darn, I was hoping for a debate between Zero/Iris and Zero/Ciel, with the 'Zero can never get over Iris' and 'Ciel's compassion and feelings as she wait for him' things.

I'll be right back with a good pairing.

Since I've been mulling this one over in my head, I'm going to defend Reti.

I get that Reno is a bastard. He really is. I know with his antics in AC it's hard to forget this is the same man who ruthlessly dropped a plate on hundreds on innocent people, or killed Don Corneo. To him it's just a job, and it's actually a little frightening to think of the lengths this man went to all because of a job. So why pair him up with one of the sweetest members of team AVALANCHE?

People change. When Reno calls Tifa, she sounds playful with him and not at all bitter. After the events of FF7 it seems he's had a change of heart and is now working to rebuild. When you think about it, Tifa's trying to do the same thing. She also caused the deaths of countless people trying to stop Shinra, and she I think these two can really balance each other out. If Reno ever gets it into his head again to take a job that calls for him to kill people, Tifa could just kick him in the nads and calmly explain why that is not okay. Reno could be good for Tifa too. His carefree attitude and lack of angst are things Tifa really needs in her life. She always puts so much on her shoulders and she really needs someone to just get her to chill.

YAY! A thread for anime/etc. couple debate!!! I would like to talk about Digimon, DN Angel and InuYasha though!

Digimon- I always thought Taichi and Sora would get together, I think iti was obvious at the first season they'll end up. The Digidestineds only knew each other when they were ported to File Island of the Digimon World. Taichi and Sora were the only ones who knew each other very well. And some episode on the season, Taichi cries for not saving Sora when she was kidnapped by Datamon!!!! Did Yamato? No!!! So imo Tai deserves Sora. As for those SoraxYamato shippers, I would like to defend YamatoxMimi here too. For me the first season drew off a lot more evidences and reasons why Yamato should be with Mimi, the Love-Friendship thingy for me was nothing. Sure it's so nice to hear the words, but being true, at first there was nothing. Sure Yamato and Mimi didn't have exact communication too, but I support this in many ways, one there is the 'opposites attract' and it really reminds me of Cloud and Aerith.

InuYasha- The Kagome/InuYasha/Kikyo LT. I read this quote once before, "No matter how much InuYasha loves Kagome, he still can't forget Kikyo." I appreciate Kagome's efforts of trying to catch InuYasha's heart. I respect Kagome's efforts. There was something wrong on InuYasha and Kikyo's relationship. It lacks trust. I watched the movies several times, Kikyo never believed InuYasha so she pinned him on the Tree of Ages, without knowing that, it was Naraku, copying InuYasha's ability and physical, yes, that was what InuYasha was trying to say. Besides, InuYasha was about to steal the Shikon jewel (Don't hurt, I really forgot the other details. So others might be wrong). Now, back to Kagome, I love everything what's been going on with her and InuYasha. I watched the movies of the series and something just bit me. "I won't leave without you!" InuYasha to Kagome.

I don't entirely believe this. Yes, they both had fragile hearts so trust was an issue for them, so when this was broken it wounded them both very much and turned their hurt into anger. However, they never totally lost faith in one another. Kikyou doesn't kill Inuyasha even when she believes he has betrayed and killed her. And Inuyasha has a peaceful expression on his face when he thinks Kikyou has killed him. Kaede (sp?) takes notice of this in one episode too.

There is just something about that whole "sealing" thing that has always bugged me. Inuyasha constantly says that he was killed by Kikyo and has said that Kikyo followed after him in death. Doesn't that mean he really did die? If so, she really did actually kill him and had the intent to kill him, but it was with good intentions since he really did raid the village and cause all that trouble. They really did lose trust in each other since both believed the other had betrayed them for personal gain. Even after Kikyo's resurrection they weren't completely trusting of each other. I try not to derive my opinions from the anime; the anime has a bad reputation of taking the facts and twisting them horribly to the point of suffocating what the series was meant to establish from the manga. : /

Inuyasha says Kikyou killed him only when he believes she had the intent to kill him. But Inuyasha never died. In one episode, Kikyou is showing her sister the different types of arrows, and displays for her the Arrow of Sealing, the same arrow she uses on Inuyasha. From this, it's made clear that putting Inuyasha into that slumber was deliberate.

Would he not have known he was dead, though? And even after he figured out it was Naraku, he continues to say he was killed by Kikyo's arrow. It wouldn't make sense, also, as to why she was so determined to kill Inuyasha after her resurrection if she hadn't intended on killing him in the past. She knew she was going to die, so she wanted to follow Inuyasha.
The episodes where the arrows were explained only occured in the anime as an Inuyasha "Spring Special", just something for fanservice.

Yay! We're actually kind of debating! :lol:

It's been a while since I've seen the earlier Inuyasha, but as I remember it he pretty much gives up on the whole "Kikyou killed me yada yada" after he figures out it's Naraku. Usually he's out chasing Kikyou, not blaming her for his death.

Kikyou died with anger in her soul, and awoke to see an Inuyasha alive and kicking with her sister. She's pissed, and understandably so. Kagome even comments in later episode time stopped for Kikyou when Inuyasha betrayed her, and that's not something you can just get over.

I think Kikyou, as angry as she was, decided not to kill him at the last minute because she still loved him. At the time she was dying, and I'm pretty sure it never occurred to her to think, "Okay, so if I wake up 50 years later and he's still kicking, THEN I'll kill him". For whatever reason she did it, it was a concious decision. She has very good control of her power and there's no reason why she couldn't have just given him a purifying arrow in his heart if she didn't want to.

Are we talking about the same episode? I know sometimes animes do include episodes with little things the manga left out, but this episode wasn't a "special" it was just another episode. It was more of the clipped episodes animes do sometimes to keep everyone up on the story so far. It held important imformation pertaining to the storyline and to Kikyou and Inuyasha's relationship, so I wouldn't pass that off as merely fanservice. It does explain why Kikyou's arrow released that particular spell rather than just killing him as it should have. If that wasn't explained in the manga, then Rumiko is probably trying to fill in a plot hole.

Lucky! <_<

Okay, I'm in a mood for a debate and since Tenshi_Aerith's PM box is very full and she's stuck with school, and no one else seems to want to debate with me, I guess I'll go bold and go with my first topic, seeing on how many fans of the "opposing" pairing has. I guess I'll be defending Fayt and Maria, but I do know it's fanon. So umm...let's be friendly, okay? -is going to get burned-

So, who would like to start with a Fayt and Sophia opening remark? or shall I start?

Well, I was going to start the debate off...but you know, I can't quite bring myself to debate with people for liking another pairing when they're admitting their pairing is just fanon. :razz:

Feel free to start it off if you'd like though, PH. I'll jump in when I feel the need to defend FaytXSophia. I agree...this is just for fun, so let's all be nice to one another.

*needs to repolish her debating skills*

i want defend sesshomaru and kagura!!! c'mon..among all the women in inuyasha.. kagura is the one with more chances...even you like kagome very much **rollseyes**
you know..and admit it..that if he's going to end with someone it's kagura(if you don't count rin)even..if she dies..but this argument isn't valid in a cleris forum am i rigth? :D

Actually...

I could find it in myself to explain the glories of FaytxNel
Or FaytxMirage. How Fayt would SURVIVE that night, I dunno, but hey!

...I think I'll debate FaytxMirage. It seems sexier to me. (No, it isn't in the canon race like FaytxMaria might be, and I prefer Maria over Sophia, but...Mmmm, Mirage...)

Angelalex242:

...since you believe FaytXMaria might be canon(?), would you like to start the debate off? I'm very much interested in hearing your opinions, mostly because I never quite understood FaytXMaria. Let's just say I take FaytXSophia more seriously than I would FaytXMaria or FaytXAlbel.

Oh, of course...but I guess I'm most curious about who Fayt prefers :giggle:
BTW, do talk about FaytXMirage as well if you'd like.
*is a good listener*

Well, see, the thing is...Sophia has 'childhood friend' going for her...

But, being where we are, we all know how effective childhood friend is.

Fayt has the power of Destruction. Sophia has the power of Connection. Maria has the power of Alteration.

This being the case, these 3 are the main characters, and Sophia and Maria are the main contenders for Fayt.

But. Let us look at the actual coupled endings as taken from gameFAQs.

FaytxSophia

Fayt and Sophia find Fayt's mom and both of Sophia's parents. The emphasis is clearly on family values, so to speak. (also, this is the easiest paired ending to get.) Still, it's not focusing on FaytXSophia 'alone time'. It's focusing on them becoming a family with their pair parents. Now, as I recall about marriage..."For this reason a man leaves his mother and father and clings to his wife." They're not exactly leaving their parents behind, here.

FaytxMaria

Maria dissolves Quark, first of all. Maria then says she wants to find someone she can grow old with together. Fayt kind of says 'well, it's hard finding someone like that.' Maria mentions she has a couple prospects. Fayt goes, 'Do I know these guys?' Maria, seeing being flirty isn't getting through to him, goes, "Well, one of them is right here in front of me. The other one is the guy didn't pick." (The guy she didn't pick is presumably Leiber. So Maria's rather bluntly stating she wants a romantic relationship with Fayt. Even Fayt the thickheaded can clearly see what the woman wants here. Which, of course, is him.

FaytXNel

Tynave and Farleen are practicing combat with Nel. This scene actually has Fayt expectng Nel to be a little more friendly then she turns out being. Fayt brings up jealousy, and Farleen abruptly mentions Nel was jealous of Fayt just WALKING (possibly even through a door! Sound familiar?) with Claire. Fayt claims he was talking about work, Nel agrees. Tynave and Farleen are trying to be matchmakers, but this is probably the least romantic of the endings, outside interference aside.

FaytxMirage

Mirage got Fayt, somehow, to come home to Klaus with her. It's the home planet of a different race. Mirage tries to get him to open up, Fayt tries not to tell her. But the fact Mirage is is 27 to Fayt's 19 pays off, as she has the maturity to deal with him. Mirage, wisely, understands that you can't get close to somebody without showing them your vulnerabilities as well as your strengths, and she asks Fayt to confide his weaknesses in her.

As far romance goes, I rank it like this.

Maria (Date me you fool!)
Mirage (Show me your feelings, oh, and let me take you to my planet...)
Sophia (Yay, let's go live with our parents)
Nel (Seems pretty businesslike...)

Angelalex242:

Not quite. First off, we're talking about two entirely different stories here. I think there's a huge difference between a sweet and very true childhood friendship vs one that was based off of messed up memories, lies, and a traumatizing childhood.

Is that a fact though?
According to the manual, Fayt and Sophia are the two main characters of SO3, the hero and heroine…and surprisingly, Maria isn’t mentioned anywhere. How does wielding one of these powers automatically equate to that person being part of an LTD? What I was actually hoping you’d bring up were FaytXMaria scenes and evidences from the game itself other than just their ending.

I’m not sure how one can say that because the ending didn’t focus on Fayt and Sophia’s ‘alone time’, it can't be as romantic. Fact is, the story of SO3 doesn’t revolve around the endings alone. For example, if we throw in the fact that the one person Fayt thought most about throughout the entire game wasn’t Maria, but Sophia…would it matter that their ending didn’t focus on ‘alone time’? If he'd been searching for her, finally found her, and then went back home with her...again, would it matter then that their 'alone time' wasn't focused on?

On that same line of thought, even though I believe FaytXSophia to be canon, it doesn’t mean that by the end of the game they were ready to get married. Surely, you’re not implying that two people can't be in love if they’re not ready to leave their parents behind. I’m really not sure either how the FaytXMaria ending indicates that those two were ready for such a thing. In some cultures, children continue to live with their parents even after marriage. Guess I don't quite agree with your statements then.

Let's talk about default factors. The couple promoted together on official merchandise is FaytXSophia. Because their ending is easiest to get, we can also say it's the default ending then, agreed? Anyhow, whether you find their ending romantic or not, we can say that in the true ending, Fayt and Sophia go back home together. There is one default ending…and there are those others that exist for replay value purpose or something along that line. Would you agree with this?

Just to make things clear, I know the FaytXMaria ending implies romance just like the rest of them do. However, my point is that a relationship based on the default ending with added evidence from both outside and inside sources is far more credible than a relationship that isn't based on any of these things.

I will conceede it's the default ending.

And yes, they're on the merchandise.

But, the question is if we are to simply take SquareEnix at its word that this is the default pair. Especially in a game that gives you the choice to make which pairing you want.

Therefore, it's valid to compare the amount of...for lack of a better term...flying sparks between each couple.

The default choice is not necessarily the best choice. I can't argue about defaults, but I can argue who would make a better life partner.

True question is, when there's a pairing that's considered default...does it seriously mean then that the player "chooses" who Fayt loves, or is it really there more for the "fun and replayability factors"?

Actually, I thought there were more FaytXSophia moments throughout the game than FaytXMaria moments. As for "comparing the amount of flying sparks between each couple"...I think much of that is based on opinions/preferences and what we as individuals define as "flying spark". I'm not sure that something like that would have as much basis in an LTD concerning "the canon pairing" as...let's say, the default factor.

...maybe, and maybe not.
That's really just up to personal preference. However, it doesn't change the fact that the FaytXSophia ending is the default one. It marks them as the canon couple. That's all I was really trying to get at.

I'm honestly not as fired up about SO3's LTDs as I am about FFVII's.
IMO, there's a pretty fine line in that game between the canon pairing and the others. Also, like I was telling PH...I was never the type to enjoy debating on the whole issue of "which preference is correct" since I don't believe in that kind of thing anyway. By all means though, feel free to share your opinions on who you think would make a better life partner for Fayt. I really do enjoy reading your thoughts, Angelalex ^^

Hmm, as far as I've seen, I've only seen 2 pieces of merchandise that shows Fayt and Sophia alone. The rest I've seen have a group of Cliff, Nel, Peppita..etc. So, can this be used as Fayt/Maria evidence, then?

He wasn't only searching for Sophia. He was looking for his father too, wasn't he? I'm assuming they (Sophia and Fayt's Dad) were together during that time, so along the way he was looking for her too. And, of course, without the help of Quark and all, he wouldn't have been able to find them alone.

Aww man, I g2g. I'll come back to this.

That's from the SO3 manga, correct?

I recently just started reading that...and if you want to use the Manga as evidence...well, I'm sure I could pull up more than just a few FaytXSophia artwork and FaytXSophia moments. The issue of the canon pairing still leans heavily in Fayt and Sophia's direction though due to what's default and what's not...don't you think?

...and this supports FaytXMaria and shoots down FaytXSophia how?
Really though, didn't Sophia cross his mind more often than his father did?

Agreed...but again, I think we're drifting away from the issue at hand. To be honest, I don't think that little fact is all that relevant to the LTD as it neither supports or shoots down any pairing.

As I said. I can make a case for why Maria is a better choice better then I can make a case at what the defaults are. I've a mathematical mind, and I can do the math from the private actions well enough to put up a maximum possible affection grid.

Sophia has a lot going for her, but she...well...there's a lot of stuff going against her too. Not the least of which is the fact that she and Fayt get their parents back in the end. While this emphasizes family, she also calls Fayt's mom 'Aunt Ryoko.' Does that mean she considers herself...well, related to Fayt, even though she isn't?

On the other hand, Maria emphasizes 'date me you fool' pretty heavily when the ending comes around. Meaning, assuming Maria and Fayt like eachother, Maria doesn't hesitate in the slightest to drag him off on a date. She has a certain...confidence...Sophia lacks.

Just because Maria has a different personality and has more confidence than Sophia doesn't mean Fayt likes her. In fact there is a scene where you can tell Sophia you like her as Fayt. You talk with her and she begins talking about wanting a prince and how it's romantic. You can make Fayt say, "But I'm here for you, my princess," or something like that. Do they have a scene like that with Fayt and Maria? No. The only bond those two have really is the fact they were both experimented on, but so was Sophia. Sophia is closer to him than Maria is. Just because Maria likes him, and just because you prefer her personality, doesn't change the fact that he has a special bond with Sophia and cares for her deeply. With the Fayt and Maria ending it was left to interpretation what happens next. You may say he goes off with her, but he can just as easily reject her.

I assume we agree on what the canon/default pairing is then?

I'm not sure I understand what you're implying here. How is getting their parents back something that's works against FaytXSophia?

IMO, the two families are just close enough that she can call Fayt's mom "Aunt". However, you can always check the official SO3 manga. Even if you don't believe that the FaytXSophia scenes in the game implied that Sophia has romantic feelings for Fayt, the Manga does an extremely good job of clarifying it for those who question her feelings.

Assuming each of the endings imply a love that's being reciprocated...would Sophia's "lack of confidence" matter then?

OMG. SO3 ending spoilers!!! :lmao: Oh well, seeing as I'll never be able to finish the game with my broken CD, might as well.

I don't know about you, but in Asian cultures, it's very normal to call family friends 'Aunty' or 'Uncle', even if you're not related. For example, I have to call all of my mother's friends 'Aunty' even though I barely know them. It's considered polite and to show respect to refer to your elders (not directly related) as 'Uncle' or 'Aunty'.

I don't see how this makes Fayt x Maria better than Fayt x Sophia. Sophia may not come across as aggressive as Maria, but Fayt doesn't need a confident, outgoing girl. He's not like Cloud, where Cloud is all broken and damaged and bleagh. Fayt is a lot more sure of himself and doesn't need to constantly be reassured. If anything, I would think of him as the type that needs something to protect, like Sophia.

What happened to the friendly-ness, guys? :(

Yes, but does Fayt tell her that by instinct? You can make Fayt say that, or you can deny her, correct? So in that scene, you can choose what "sparks fly over". Even though Fayt and Sophia have a scene like that, you can choose what happens next. Like a deal or a flop.

You make it sound so bland. Yes, they were both experimented on but don't you think it could have a little bit of depth? They both were experimented on and they both wanted to know why his Dad did it. They both thought and felt like they were treated like experiments rather than humans. As well as Maria telling Fayt in Aquios that had a rough childhood, losing both her parents as well as connecting to Fayt in the present when he was not able to find his parents after that raid at that planet. Wouldn't that be sort of a bond too?

Assumption, much? Just because Maria said she had feelings towards Fayt dosen't mean it leads to something like going off with her after that. It shows that she likes him xD. Sorry, I've never really thought of that xD.

*would gladly lend Yin her game if she could*

That's very true. I call complete strangers "grandma", "grandpa", "aunty", "uncle", etc. quite often actually.

Very good points, Yin.
I really do need to refresh my mind on Fayt's personality though. *weeps*
IMO, it's cute that Fayt has someone he can protect, rather than someone to lead him. You're correct in saying that unlike Cloud, having a girlfriend with confidence isn't something he needs.

PH:

*hugs*
I'm sorry if I came across as a bit pushy and stern. It's just old habits I have from the FFVII LTDs. Honestly though, I don't mean any harm by it. Accept my apologies? :gift:

You make a good argument PH, but I didn't really see a HUGE connection between the two. I mean, okay she tells him about her past. So she trusts him, but that's only looking at Maria not Fayt. Fayt may know about her past, but he doesn't treat any different than he does most of his other friends. When it comes to Sophia though, he's always worried about her, always thinking about her, tells her everything, and has a deep bond with her. So when I look at Fayt and Maria I see them finding out a mystery together, but then again Sophia finds out the answer too. They work together as a TEAM, and are pretty much aquaintences really. Just because Maria tells him things doesn't mean he does the same. The only reason Maria knows things about Fayt is because she did research on him to find him, while Sophia and Fayt know everything about eachother because of their bond and trust in one another.