Another thing which would indicate that Cloud and Aerith are the true couple of FFVII is how often they're found in other games by Square, merchandise, and advertising by Square as compared to Cloud and Tifa. Cloud and Aerith have appeared in Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy Tactics, and were hinted at in Final Fantasy IX. References to Cloud and Aerith were also made in Parasite's Eve and Parasite's Eve II. Cloud and Aerith will also be appearing in Chain of Memories. Tifa was never seen in any of these games.

Tifa did appear in Ehrgeiz, but only as Cloud's fighting opponent. Kingdom Hearts, on the other hand, was a game in which Nomura said that he wished to portray, "connections"... I wanted to portray the idea that people are not physically connected. Well, I think that is already thoroughly incorporated in the story though. Even apart, things which are connected are still connected." The same kind of theme seems to be in Chain of Memories, in which both Cloud and Aerith will appear again. The story revolves around the original characters having lost their memories, yet their memories of one another are stored in their hearts. As far as we know, Tifa does not appear in Chain of Memories. There is also a good chance that both Cloud and Aerith will also appear in KH2.

Cloud and Aerith have also been used in a lot of advertising by Square. A commercial made for Final Fantasy VII at the NA release showed a brief scene of Cloud laying Aerith to rest with a caption of "Love" over them. Tifa was also in the commercial... alone. Cloud and Aerith were pictured next to Squall and Rinoa on a package of Final Fantasy figurines available from Coke years ago for which Square had to give permission. Square's FFVII website for years had a logo showing only Cloud, Aerith, and Barret with no sign of Tifa.

Although we don't know yet what will happen in AC or in Itadaki Street, where Cloud, Aerith, and Tifa all appear... but which couple has Square been showing a preference for all these years?

Hehe, I guess it's like that because Aeris & Cloud are the ideal couple for the public. I can't really imagine Cloud & Tifa as a couple myself, so I guess Square would have no choice but to go along with them :P

External evidence provides solid proof that Cleris is the correct relationship as Aly has just shown.

Why would Square constantly show us these hints and gimicks in public if they did not intend to give us something abot the love triangle, it simply makes no sense, no matter how much the CLotis argue it.

Hey Aly how were they hinted at in FF9???

***FFIX SPOILERS***

I haven't seen the scene myself, but here's a description of it from Aeris Online:

"Many people have noticed a flowergirl and a soldier together in Final Fantasy IX who resemble Cloud and Aerith. The Soldier, who goes by the name Pluto Knight 7, says something about feeling lucky at meeting a beautiful flower girl in a destroyed city. The Flower Girl says, "He's cute, but he isn't exactly Mr. Personality". This couple in FF9 has reminded a lot of people of Cloud and Aeris."
***END SPOILERS***

**** FFIX SPOILERS****Awww, I saw that bit in FFIX, it was so cute! :wub: You can see it if you go back to Alexandria after Bahamut attacks and return to the church where Vivi climbed up at the beginning of the game. Right outside the church (another reference to Aerith?), you will find Pluto Knight VII and the Flower Girl. :wub: ****END SPOILERS****

***I've edited this because of Spoiler information on FFIX. In the future can you please warn of spoilers when discussing non FF7, KH games. Thankyou.***

I think it is absurd for the CloTis to say that Cloud being shown with Aerith in subsequent games is "fanservice". Sure, maybe if they had just been shown or hinted at in ONE game. But, they have been paired up since FFVII while CloTi was practically ignored (unless you count Ergheiz, where Tifa and Cloud were beating the stuffing out of each other). :rolleyes: Let's not forget that Cloud and Aerith were portrayed in a game about the BONDS OF LOVE. :wub: That, right there, should have been taken as a HUGE HINT from Nomura. Also, in an interview with Yoshinori Kitase, he stated: "I believe it would be fun to create another story with Aeris and Cloud in a 'gaiden' (sidestory) game. But, for now it's more interesting for me to create new stories featuring new characters." Funny, you never see the creators of Final Fantasy pairing Cloud up with Tifa, do you? I think that, although you may say that FFVII is "left up to the player to interpret", it is pretty clear who the creators of Final Fantasy consider the true couple of FFVII. :rolleyes:

But beating the stuffing out of each other shows their hot and pure love!!11shift+1
It's sorta funny, CloTi's get all pissed off that we use other things for evidence, BUT I'm pretty sure that if Cloud and Tifa had been used in KH (etc...) that they would be jumping all over it. Actually, come to think of it.. some of them do use Ehrgeiz as evidence.. something about Cloud being a guardian and Tifa being something..blah..blah. :rolleyes:

***EHRGEIZ SPOILERS, FF8 SPOILERS, FFX SPOILERS***

Yes, they do. As I understand it, Cloud's name wasn't used when you were picking who to fight. He was just designated as "Guardian". Tifa's name wasn't used when you were picking who to fight, either. She was designated as "Summoner".

The thing is... Aerith was a Summoner, not Tifa. Cloud was Aerith's bodyguard, which is like a Guardian. So, in a way, it's actually a CloudxAerith reference! :lol:

Besides that, Ehrgeiz was made in 1998. Final Fantasy X didn't come out til 2001. So Guardian and Summoner didn't have any relevance at the time Ehrgeiz was made.

They also try to make a big deal out of the fact that "Interrupted by Fireworks" plays when Cloud and Tifa fight in Ehrgeiz. Ummm... that's also played during the date with Aerith and Yuffie.

They also try to claim that Zell in FF8 is the great-grandson of Cloud and Tifa because Zell says that his great grandfather was a Soldier, he has a limit break similar to one of Tifa's, and his hair is blonde like Cloud's. :lol:

***END SPOILERS***

They're desperate!

*** FF8 Spoilers ***

YOU ARE KIDDING! How could anyone (even Clotis) possibly be that moronic. I can't believe it i really can't. *can't close mouth*

***END FF8 SPOILERS***

Here's how i see evidence for the Love Triangle. Firstly ofcourse we have the evidence from the game such as the death scene tha hand reach scene, interaction of characters, dialogue etc. It's the ordinary evidence that you expect from the game. Personally i view that evidence as pretty conclusivley Cleris, though there are of course many cloti supporters.

However then after the release of the game we are then given "hints" that aren't supposed to be conclusive but just give the fans a little piece of the truth.

Let's say for argument's sake that the in game evidence is dead even between cleris and cloti (though it's not) and so it comes down to JUST external evidence.

I don't think i need to say anymore.

T

SPOILERS!
Ehergeiz:Really? I didn' t know their names were like that. Interesting, why would that be done? And since when to guardians beat the stuffing(*giggles*)out of the summoners? That's just....strange.
FFIX: Didn't anyone else catch the hint in the guys name? Pluto Knight *VII*?????? Square CHOSE that number, it could have been anyone else! It was DEFINATLY a ref to Cloud and Aeris!
END SPOILERS!
Besides the obvious, Cloud and Aeris' names were mentioned in Parasite Eve and PE 2 I believe. Once their names were written on a wall(well...it's ALMOST carved in a tree!), and once some kind of passwords. I've never played either of the games, just read this.
Plus their pictures along with Squall and Rinoa's on the package for the figures, and that statue of Aeris' funeral.
But after all of this, Square starts cranking out CloTi friendly Itadaki street!? what're they DOING!? Make up your blinkin' MINDS!
...ya know, all of this had a point 5 minutes ago, but amid all the typing I've forgotten it...*sigh*
Oh yeah!!
But ALL Tifa got was fighting Cloud and being a Boardgame pawn!

It's their' marketing strategy for the publicity of the game so that both Cloti and Clerith will be coming back for more, buying stuff and looking into their stuff, therefore, we're part of the process as the target market who's playing the game/those who are familiar with it. Whoever their publicists are, they're really good at it because their strategies work. They make the people crave for more... and they even fight about things involving the game (the Cloti vs Clerith thing?)...

There was this Final Fantasy 7 ad shown in the U.S. release version introducing the game. I don't know if you're all familiar with the ad... but it mentioned something with the line "a love that can never be" and it shows Cloud and Aerith... the burial scene. Meaning... maybe just like Romeo and Juliet, they love each other but they cannot be together due to some certain circumstances (in this case, she died). Oh well... another one of their publicity strategies... <_<

I don't think the commercial was any type of false advertising, if that is what you mean. I don't think Square intended to mislead anyone and the commercial was released before the game, so there were no CloTis or ClAeris to upset. They just showed the truth. They showed Cloud and Aerith together with the word "love" superimposed above them and the voice said, "A story of a love that can never be", or something like that. They were referring to a mutual love that would not be allowed to continue do to a tragic twist of fate (Aerith's death). Tifa was shown alone, toward the end of the commercial, and the voice-over simply said, "Not coming to a theater near you", or something along those lines. Why didn't they show the love triangle in the commercial, if Tifa was so flippin' important to it? :rolleyes: I think they showed Cloud and Aerith together because they were the INTENDED couple of the game. End of story. ^_^

FF_Goddess and Tifa Lockheart are both correct. I don't think Tifa Lockheart said it was false advertisement--just one of their strategies to point out that it was a tragic love story. Or something like that.

You can see the commerical here. I wish the CloTi fans could see it. Most of them probably haven't...I think.

Nah, they just claim it was edited.
Ya know, I remebered seeing that on TV a few weeks ago. After remembering that, I realized I'd played FFVII before! Then, years later, I discovered it, played it, loved it, and got addicted to video games! Destiny anyone?

Actually, they claim that the commercial was made by a company other than S-E and so made a commercial with the images provided with no background info. How dumb are these people??? :rolleyes: First of all, the commercial would have to be approved by S-E, right? Second of all, there WOULD be info provided (who loves who, etc.) in order to make sure that the commercial was not portraying anything false. CloTis will say ANYTHING to negate that commercial. :rolleyes:

Oh, I see. That IS quite stupid. Grasping at straws eh?;) All very good points FF_Goddess(I have GOT to find a way to shorten your name!) I am so tempted to go to CloTi shrines and debunk all their "evidence" but that wouldn't be nice, so I won't.

Cloud and Squall were together on a coke bottle once..Am I missing something? :ph43r:

EDIT: Just hiding this Cloti garbage from our members. :rolleyes:

:lol: obviously you are.
Your post exemplify your ignorance. Hmmm, I think you have some problems with reading subtle messages and such.
It's ok, you''ll get there someday! Work on it ^_^

*Rolls eyes* Squall was portrayed next to Rinoa, they were a cannon couple. Beneath their pictures Aeris was next to Cloud, therefore they're a cannon couple.

Just call me "FF_G". :lol:

Well, I wouldn't expect a CloTi to be able to process anything that requires logic. I have explained things to them before and had to go back and tone it down to the level of a 1st grader so they could understand it. :rolleyes:

Anyways... here is a picture for those of you who haven't seen it...

*Snugs on my Aeris coke figure* I kept that bag too! It rides around with me in my sketchpad(mainly cuz I was using it for a ref, but that's beside the point!)

Since you guys were on the topic of merchandise and advertising, I'd just like to add that our favorite couple is also on the cover of something else that's officially from Square.

Cool! Thanks, Ophelia! ^_^

*Woot* I've never seen that one, Ophelia... thank you!

By the way... I see this is your first post, Ophelia. Welcome to the forums! :D

Oh, Amazon recommended that cd at me a few months ago! The 'S' stands for 'Sony', so all the tracks on the cd are the best tracks from VII - IX. (X was on the PS2 so wasn't included)

Tracklisting:

1. Liberi Fatali [Original Soundtrack] {Ffviii}
2. Eyes on Me [Piano Version] {Ffviii}
3. Main Theme of Final Fantasy VII [Arranged Version] {Ffvii}
4. Fisherman's Horizon [Piano Version] {Ffviii}
5. Man With the Machine Gun [Arranged Version] {Ffviii}
6. Vamo' Alla Flamenco [Piano Version] {Ffvix}
7. Daguerreo, The Hermit's Library [Piano Version] {Ffvix}
8. One-Winged Angel [Arranged Version] {Ffvii}
9. Fragments of Memories [Arranged Version] {Ffviii}
10. Dark City Treno [Piano Version] {Ffix}
11. Oath [Arranged Version] {Ffviii}
12. Unrequited Love [Piano Version] {Ffix}
13. Aeris's Theme [Arranged Version] {Ffvii}
14. Ami [Piano Version] {Ffviii}
15. Behind the Door [Original Soundtrack] {Ffix}
16. Melodies of Life/Final Fantasy [Original Japanese Version]

Notice how there's no sign of Tifa on the cover, but yet there's Cloud and Aerith together. Square could have chosen whoever they wanted from VII - IX. And they chose Cloud and Aerith. Funny, that. ;)

Isn't it, though? :D

Also notice that there's only three songs on it from FFVII: The Main Theme, One Winged Angel, and Aerith's Theme. The Main Theme, if you remember, is the one the Cloti's like to claim is Cloud's Theme. ;)

Those are also the only three original songs from FFVII that Uematsu says will most likely be used in AC. Remember that Aerith's theme is typically used either when Aerith makes an appearance or when Cloud's talking about her. :rolleyes:

Man, I was gonna post that picture of the Official Best Collection, but Ophy beat me to it... :o

According to that same theory, the peeps at Stigmatized could claim that Rinoa is descended from Tifa x Rufus, because Rinoa "is a Tifa clone," comes from an illustrious family, has a pet... there are other bogus "grandchildren" as well... I think I might make a thread where we can come up with them... hmmm... Anyway, the reason Zell has some of Tifa's limit breaks, is because he belongs to the same fighter class as Tifa. I *believe* Edge (FF4) is also of that class, I just remember someone else had a few of those limit breaks also... And oh, he has blonde hair like Cloud, so did Quistis, Seifer, Zidane, Tidus, Rikku, and Gippal. I guess Cloud and Tifa were pretty busy then... :huh:

And yet, with all of the products marketed with CXA in mind, the CloTis still cry "fanservice." But plenty of people (men in particular) like Tifa, so I see no reason why S-E would not use Cloud x Tifa as a theme, unless they had their own reasons... :wub:

That cover is so pretty! And I agree. Square must have had their own reasons for putting Cloud and Aerith on it! :lol:

Hey look! They're looking at each other!! Aw!

Thanks! I should of joined when I first heard about it! Chalk that up to being lazy on my part. ^_^

Ah, I'm sorry. I just didn't know if anyone was ever going to mention it.

I saw another cover for S-Generation and it featured only Squall, which leads me to think that if Square was just going to make it with a single character, why did they add Aeris and Cloud together?? Just a thought. -_-

That is VEEEERY interesting. I notice they aren't using Tifa's Theme... :rolleyes:

Is it confirmed that Uematsu is going to be using those 3 songs?

I think he's changed his mind about it now. Uematsu gave an interview with Famitsu PS2 (conducted around the time of the Venice film festival), where he said he doesn't plan on using any of FFVII's music in AC. He's only thinking about rerecording Sephiroth's Chorus to use once more.

Ah... thank you, wilhelm. I hadn't heard about that.

*sigh* I guess that means that Aerith's theme won't be used. I'm sorry to hear that. :(

That is sad to hear, but you never know, maybe he is going to chance his mind. But I'm glad to hear that he is at least planning to use Sephiroth's song in AC, I just love it. I still remember the first time I ever fought Sephy in his final form and that song just blew me away.

Cripes... :( Now, WHY wouldn't he use Aerith's Theme? It is one of the most popular pieces he ever composed! Does this say anything about how little screen time Aerith will have? Or perhaps he did not use it because there weren't any scenes in the movie in which it would be appropriate? :huh: Aerith's Theme is quite sad. Maybe there won't be any parts in the movie with Aerith that are particularly sad? :huh: Hmmm... What do you guys think?

I don't have the interview on me now, but I think he said something like since AC it's something new it'd be a shame to use old songs again.

No, wrong!! It's a shame *NOT* to use old songs again!! New ones are fine, but so are the classics!! I'm... sure ... that he'll change his mind again. Right?

GRR!!!!!!!! Uematsu I'll KEEELLL YOOUUU!!!!!! :fumes:
(Not really, Uematsu's cool, but aggravating...:angry:)

Oh how terrible! It's supposedly one of his favorite songs too! At least that's what it said on the episode of "Icons" dedicated to him on G4TechTv.

And sorry to change the subject, but speaking of G4TechTv programming...on an episode of "Filter", a top 10 countdown voted by fans, the hostess referred to Aeris as Cloud's girlfriend! ^_^

Cloud was top hero from the FF series and Aeris was top heroine over Tifa.

Maybe Uematsu will talk them into using it after all. *hopes*

*howl* That's great to know! Next time the Cloti's talk about EGM saying that Tifa was Cloud's "main squeeze" (which was changed in the next issue, btw), we can let them know that Filter considers Aerith to be Cloud's girlfriend! :D

And this was voted by the fans, correct?

Oh I most certainly hope so!!

Yeah I know what you mean...how they can even argue that point is beyond me.

Yes, and you'll be happy to know that I was one of the people who voted! :D

*cheers Ophelia* WTG! :D

That's very interesting! This wasn't in reference to the Love Triangle, though, was it? It was just voting on your favorite male and female characters in Final Fantasy ... correct?

Either way, it's great to hear that Aerith won. :rolleyes: