Now, as some of you may already know, I am a HUGE Tifa hater. I have my reasons. But even more so I dislike CloTi more. Yes, I dislike CloTi more than Tifa in her non-glory.

Well I am openly going to say this...I roleplay on Myspace. Yes I do, so don't laugh at me.

As you may guess, there are a number of Clouds, Aeriths, Tifas, Yuffies, Sephiroths...ect ect ect and they all seem to form into one group. Every once in a while you'll get a Cloud dating some random chick or an Aerith married to some random guy and so on. Well I check out these profiles a lot and read the comments between the people who roleplay as CloTi pairs and Clerith pairs.

SO here I go to support Clerith!

Upon reading many many MANY CloTi comments and couples I realize how fake the couple is. I'm not bashing the roleplayers, most of them portray the characters very well, however the couple just doesn't mash. They go on doing their FF7 things amidst dating and smooching, heck they even "woo-hoo" sometimes. But I just sit there and think...Wow...this is the most fake couple I have ever seen...how can they go through with this? Maybe it's because Cloud and Tifa are more brother/sister than anything...you know how it is, you're friends with someone forever and the become like a sibling? Don't ever try to date them, it never works, well this is how that was like!

I then read through the Clerith couples and realized Wow...they really hit it off. They both not only roleplay well but they just go! Did you ever see that couple in school or in public that is always happy, always smiling and full of endless love? Yea, well that's Clerith right there. It make me all warm and fuzzy inside.

Well...there's my reason, through Roleplays and people that portay them.

Feel free to agree, disagree, tell stories of your own and whatnot.

-Lady :aeris:

I so totally agree Lady_Aerith! Im so glad u hate Tifa aswell as me. I have my reason too. 1) Have u seen how s*l*u*t*y (pardon my french) she looks when u search her on google? 2) shes selfish (askin cloud to choose between her n aerith :mad: ) 3) um.. i just.. hate her, i av no other reasons. Cloud n Aerith have sumfing goin on between them if u no wot i mean. Even tho shes ded i still believe they can b together. Cloud shud stop bein pushed around by tifa n tell her to :X off i hope tifa dies a painful death! :shoot: grr i wana kill her myself, :omg: i av an idea LETS HIRE A HITMAN!! :woot: yay

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woohoo :cleris:

Uhm... *paces* ok!

just take note that character bashing opposes the rules. And I may happen to know that the subject is "Cloti: Why It Is A No-No", not "Tifa IS TEH SLUT!" or anything like that. Just to differentiate Cloti and Tifa, Cloti is the pairing of Cloud and Tifa, while Tifa is an individual character of FFVII.

And I'm pretty much sure that some CxA fans that are also fond of Tifa (consider me) will be taken aback and offended. Well, if you really hate her, try to say it in much of a calmer way! No offense taken, ok? ^_^

Well, why Cloti is a no-no... *paces again*

because for me, Cloud and Aerith makes sense, sure Cloud and Tifa look good together, but their personalities doesn't match, and they can't give each other's neccessities, Tifa needs comfort so as Cloud, they both lack it so how would they get it from each other? But I'm sure they love each other as friends.

There are actually a lot of Tifa fans here, myself included and there was a topic like this once and it turned into a very hard Tifa bashing topic. I love Tifa to bits and thank you Cynel for backing up, if you don't lke her then posted reasons and not "OMFG SHEZ A SLUTZ R TRIN 2 TAKE CLOD FROM AERISTH!! :mad: :mad: :mad: ".

Please don't hate Tifa because of that, if you don't like her then let it be about her, and not her situation with Cloud and Aerith.

I like Tifa :P
And you know, the same thing happens with CloTi fanart. It ususally shows Cloud smiling and sort of.. "touching" Tifa :ermm: Which isn't at all like Cloud!! It doesn't make sense, just like these roleplayers you are talking about.
CloTis don't get Cloud at all.. that is why they don't understand who he could love.

Thanks for saying that, Cynel. I wasn't going to come out and say it, but yeah. A lot of the members here (myself included) really do like Tifa as a character. In the game, she never came off as slutty or selfish to me. In fact, I thought she was really caring in the end when Cloud says how he wants to find Aerith, and she acquieses to what will make him happy, even if it doesn't involve her. Yeah, if you search her on google, you'll find Tifa: Version Pornstar. But that's a fan interpreting her and her big boobs. That's not who she actually was. I think, as Cleriths, we have to differentiate between the real Tifa from the game and the interpretation of Tifa that a lot of rabid Clotis come up with. Although it may seem like Tifa is getting in the way of Cloud and Aerith's love because of this pairing war, we have to remember that it wasn't actually like that in the game or the movie.

In regards to Cloud and Tifa as a pairing, I very much dislike them as a couple. If CoT showed us anything, it really demonstrated how Cloud and Tifa aren't compatible. Even though they were only very close friends and not lovers in CoT, they still had a hard time seeing eye to eye, and classic Cloud was predictably not open with his emotions. The only lady he ever seemed to freely be emotional with was Aerith, but that's just my opinion. You can't have a serious relationship with someone if you're not open with them. Therefore, CloTi just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Cloud and Aerith always just seemed like the perfect couple to me. They're personalities contrast and compliment each other to just the right degree. And the whole this with how Aerith dies, but Cloud still loves her after she's gone is very, very sweet (and cheesy romance which I also love :wub: ).

But yeah, just because I don't like CloTi doesn't mean I dislike Tifa.

Alright, I dislike Tifa yes, but I agree with Cynel...you shouldn't bash her.

Anyway...these are all very valid and very good concepts. ^^

Hey, Lady_Aerith... your not alone. I hate Tifa with AN EXTREMELY STRONG passion. :never: Yes, cloti makes me sick too.....
It does make me horribly ill when people make crap like..... i mean, CloudXTifa... good lord, its just....retarded. I can't stand it! :( I honestly can't! :no:

People protray Cloud and Tifa all lovey dovey.... especially the fan art... god, can they make that stuff any more chessy and false? :ermm:

I'm not trying to bash her, but god... its just.... when you hate something so much, and you can't even stand to look at it without screaming in anger.... :mad:

Ahh I can see where you're coming from.
If this was bashing forum I would bash the snot out of Tifa, but It isn't and I wont.

She does have her perks, I'll admit...but I'm a diehard Aerith girl.

Awww, I love Tifa! :D


And why CloTi is a no-no?

They are too much like brother and sister, and also too much alike. Opposites attract! Doo doo doo! xD Also, I am quite disgusted by the majority of the CloTi fans....>_<

It's hard to find Tifa haters, or Aerith haters for that matter, who give any good reasons for they hatred. They usually give some superficial reasons or can't back their accusations up with any real evidence from the story. They choose which ever girl they like and pair them with cloud and then start supporting that pairing. But really, you should like Cloti or Clerith based on their actual relationship not which girl you like best and decide to hate the other girl because they like Cloud too. Sorry I'm just venting a little because I'm just seeing this happen far too often.

I join in the special current of praise to you, Cynel, for clarifying that. It is very much appreciated. <3 Because many of us -- including me -- really do adore Tifa's character, however not the same about the Cloti pairing.

Well, for my add: CoT showed us that... it's not that Cloud's guilt over Aerith is setting him apart from Tifa. It basically doesn't have anything to do with Aerith. He and her (Tifa) are just different. They don't understand eachother. I understand that Tifa is very fond of Cloud for being just him, even though he has consistent tendencies to concern the hell outta her -- but as a couple with fully reciprocated feelings, I have the great misgiving that that would barely even work.

I don't agree with that at all goddess, how exactly is Cloti cheesy? I would like to know how you think that, and about the false thing, its fandom. There are hundreds of different pairings in fandoms of games, animes, mangas, ect. and most of them are not canon, its just the fandom or the two characters.

Thanks guys! :huggle: another is i think it is obvious why. We prefer Aerith for Cloud. those Clotis who found CxT sweet, I want to see that. In Japan, Cloti is the fanon while this Japanese friend of mine says that CxA is the canon, although some prefers other couplings, which became very popular to doujinishi and fan made mangas. I just wanna clarify that.

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Alright, I don't dislike Tifa because of some superficial reason. I just don't like her character, simple as that. I find her falsely sweet and annoying, and those reasons are why I dislike her. Again, I wont go into it as this is not the place.

I used to like Tifa, a lot. So I'm not Tifa basher because I don't hate her for hating her.

I like Aerith. Plain and Simple, and I stated it on one of my other boards as to why.

I PREFER Clerith to Cloti. If it were up to me I would have a totally different pairing, but this is neither the place nor the topic.

I understand you completely, but I just wanted to say that some people don't have a reason to hate a character. They might just be annoyed by her/his mannerisms, or other annoying things like that. I used to really dislike Tifa, but I have no idea why. xD Sometimes, after being introduced to a character, you instantly dislike them from the start, and that dislike begins to grow. So, I suppose it's somewhat difficult to define what a good reason for disliking a character is. And, again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions...But they shouldn't speak it out so rashly (and harshly) for there are many, many Tifa fans here. Including me. ;)

Thank you. Sometimes that's just how I feel about Tifa. It started out with me liking her then I just grew to dislike her for some reason.
And I agree...even if you don't like a character you shouldn't speak harshly of them.

Well, it just doesn't make any sence at all to me.... :no: I mean, CXT?? Again, CXT! WTF! :huh: It just doesn't mesh with me at all. I'm sorry if i don't make any sence, but hey... thats just the way i am. :D

The facts that cloti have to support clotiness... it just doesn't appeal to me. :no:

You're welcome. ^_^ I also sometimes dislike a character for no reason, it's just as if I know that if we met, we'd totally clash and not get along. xD

I like Tifa, but personally, I like Aerith and Yuffie better.

As for Cloti...

They just don't go together well, even with all the fanarts and whatnot, seeing them together for just themselves and not how some Cloti potray them is not...right. They both need someone brighter and cheerful for each of them.*is also a Zack/Tifa fan*

Righto... it's just, they're personalities don't match. And what Clotis portray to Tifa makes me sick, they're like, "Cloud doesn't like p!nk wH0reS Tifa's ten time sexzier tehn the wh0re!!!" practice your grammar and spelling guys. I am not really fond of Zack/Tifa... :ermm: (cuz Zack's mine!!!) :P

I admit that I'm not the biggest Tifa fan, and I'm nowhere near a CloTi fan at all...though I can understand where the CloTi fandom comes from. Just as I can see where Yuffentine, Fack, Clukki(XD), Clephiroth, Cleris (etc. etc.) comes from. It's all based on everyone's interpretation, how they see their favorite characters. Yes, we all wish to see Tifa happy at some point, as Tifa fans, just as we wish to see Cloud happy. We just feel that Cloud would be happiest with Aerith as opposed to Tifa.

goddes_in_pink07: Honestly...I'm sorry to say this, but IMHO, if you want to get mad and scream at a pixelated character, it's kinda sad...they aren't real, and YOU control who Cloud gets to be nice to, YOU control who Cloud goes on the date with. Until the end of Disc 1, YOU control who goes into your party.

As for Advent Children, if you are a Cleris, then you'll see the Cleris. If you're CloTi...well I still dont understand how you CANT see the Cleris...but I'm not a Cloti. Anyway...I suggest if this is going to turn into a Tifa-bashing topic then you should take it to your other thread, the one you started about wanting to slap her in the first place.

I think what Amathala's (thank you btw!) trying to clear up is, this is a thread for Cloti hating, not Tifa hating. You may express your hate in a calmer way, don't burst those fire guns out. We Clerises are much more better than the rabid Clotis who happens to hate CxA so as Aerith, but I don't see their reason of hating at all. "Why? Pink whore?".
And besides...it's all up for Cloud's heart to choose, right? IMHO it's Aerith. :whistle:
Aww...cheer up goddess! :huggle:

Well, still... i could care less if they were made up characters to a video game... <_< It just buggs the living crap out of me... i just... uh... :mad:
But, i'm sorry... goodness....Even if a cloti played the game and was nicer to Aeris, that doesn't mean its gonna chance that persons view of who Cloud loved. You get the same ending for being nice to both, right? :unsure:

My my my, what a fight this has spiralled into. I personally love Tifa. I used to hate her but not any more. Now she's one of my favs! But to say the least CloTi makes no sense. None. Zip. Natta. He had a childish crush on miss. popular who didn't like him back and now as an adult he probably doesn't feel that way any more. The emotional see-saw. But Cloud and Aerith are on the same page through out. Cloud may have seemed a tad dense about her affection but his heart quite obviously felt it later on and I believe she knew he felt the same about her. No emotional see-saw, just continous love. :cleris:

Im SERIOUSLY not a Tifa fan, but its not like I hate her for life. (She's a video game character) I just dont think she's good to go with Cloud and thats the only. As everyone may have stated, they wouldn't make a good relationship because they're childhood friends and dont feel the same way and what not. And I can agree. You JUST cant have feelings for someone you've been with all your life. Its like a married couple, whether you're going out or not....After a few years of being around the same, you may want to start seeing other people!

Now I can see why Cloud may be like that because either he just cant consider Tifa more than a best friend or maybe she's not his type ya know. :dunno:
Although Tifa is still "living in the past", for some reason she just wont shake off the present or try to look at the future, seeing that Cloud has found someone else. but Cloud will still be Tifa's friend and look out for her and the team and yaddi yaddi yadda....(hope that was put in a negative way)

Im not trying to make it sound like they were going out secretly or anything, but if Cloud or Tifa, or anyone, states that they're only friends, THEN THATS IT.

Back to Tifa for a minute:
For those Tifa Haters
When someone posts a thread like this and its a debate issue about the opposite pairing, you know it will lead up into an argument that will get out of hand or gets off topic and nowhere. Its best to respect the fans opinions, debate in a non-agressive matter and stay on topic if you know what I mean...:ermm:

I hope what I said makes sense .:P

Well...I wouldn't say that we are any better people from them, but I think we are a fine bunch of fans, since we have fairly good reasons why we like this and why we don't. :gift:

I myself was Cleris from the start as I started to play FFVII and even before that when I saw my friend play the game. After beating the game and meeting new FFVII fans, I was pretty upset that I didn't find lot of Cleris fans that had the same language as I did. But it was fairly interesting to exchange opinions with the Clotis on why the other couple was agreeable (wonder if that's the right word).

From the beginning of the game I kept a close eye on Cloud's actions towards Aeris and after awhile I could smile and be 99,99% sure that Cleris was canon. :) It was really touching to see Cloud's reaction towards Aeris' death and how even after her dead he continued to talk about her like she was still there.

I first didn't like CloTi, because how Tifa hided Cloud's past from him and kinda messed the poor boy's head, but I was glad that afterwards she helped him get through with it and showed him, that even when he's in trouble, she won't leave his side and will be there as a close friend and a comrade. After the age of 13 I was getting over my little hating sparks towards the pairing, and gotta admit that I didn't like much of Tifa, but after awhile I got used to her and started to like her. :)

Now the CloTi pairing doesn't disturb me as much as it did before. Sure, I still don't think they belong together as Cloud and Aeris, but it's like Amathala said about Vincent/Yuffie etc. pairings. Fanon pwns j00! :lol:

M'kay, sweetheart you have flawed thinking. I used to hate Tifa for almost the same exact reasons. But here is the corrections for reasons to hate Tifa.
1. I have seen how improper Tifa looks on google. But you must understand that those are fan art and Tifa was never like that in the game.
2. Tifa never asked Cloud to choose, Tifa loved Aeris, they were friends. In the end of the game she gave up, telling Cloud "Yeah, let's go meet her." (Or something like that.)
3. Having no other reasons is just like having no reason at all.

If you hate Tifa simply because she "tried to break up Cloud and Aeris," that's blind hate. Think of all the wonderful matches there are for Tifa and your appreciation will grow very fast.
You could like Tifa with Reno, Barret, Rufus, Zack, Vincent, Cid, Reeve, Rude, Johnny, ext.
I choose all of the above, minus Vincent and Cid.
So in short, Fanon is more fun than hate! :D

I think Cloris is the cannon couple because, She's dead and hes alive, He is all emo cause of her not cause he feels weak and tifa is a slut becus she wears a short skirt being a kickboxer, and aerith wears a long dress. But she isn't a slut I mean this is the 21st century its okay to through yourself at a man, but its not okay to wear a short black skirt and clotis make everything up... I mean are evidence is so much better all hell the saint aerith who wheres decent clothes^^

Well, I think CloudXBarret is the canon 'cos they're both alive. *nods nods*

BTW, Tifa "threw" herself at Cloud several times as well, is alive, and still isn't with him three years after the events of FFVII. Maybe it's time Clotis wake up.
Just a helpful suggestion, not saying that they have to or anything.

~HD

"I think Cloris is the canon couple because she's dead and he's alive, and he is all emo because of her, not because he feels weak. Tifa is a slut because she wears a short skirt and is a kickboxer, and Aerith wears a long dress. But she isn't a slut I mean, this is the 21st century it's okay to throw yourself at a man, but it's not okay to wear a short black skirt.

Clotis make everything up...I mean our evidence is so much better all hail the saint aerith who wears decent clothes.^^"

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I know you were hit on the head as a child, and I always want to help those less fortunate than myself. :D

Zelda, you've such a good heart.
All hell saint Zelda!

CG DOESN'T SPEAK IDIOT-ESE. :tard: NOW I get it. Hmm... Nothing that hasn't been said and proved otherwise before by people with COMMON SENSE. Thank you for the readable version, Zelda. You are talented.

CG doesn't get why clitos say Aeris threw herself at Cloud and Tifa didn't. :blink:

Because Aeris dared to be OUTGOING, and FLIRTATIOUS, rather than just beg and whine :eyeroll:

Come on, you guys know that if you flirt with anyone, you are a whore! If you show any interest in a man at all, you are just a total whore! -_- And if you move on from your first crush, you are a mega-whore! :tard:

Don't make me revive the whore club again! I'll do it! I will!

Hmm, well. I like Tifa and I'll at mit I used to hate her with a passion, but back on topic. I think if they don't get together it's because their so alike and sometimes when people are alike like that they never get along like me and my stepdad. :blush: :lol: I think Tifa should go with Barret, cause you can tell Barret has a sort of a crush on her. ^_^

That is very interesting actually..
I don't know how you can NOT see the Clerith, but I do know that if you want to, you can see a LOT of CloTi too.
I must admit, I've been scared more than once, while playing an FFVII related games and watching Advent Children. I am 100% Clerith, but sometimes, in certain moments, I can see some CloTi and get scared that maybe Square is going to show something I DON'T WANT TO SEE :ermm: .
It happened in Advent Children when Cloud saves Tifa the first time (yeah, it was my first time watching it and I didn't understand that that scene was showing Aerith watching over them XD I know... I'm slow :whistle: but this is why we have the forum for, right? to understand what we couldn't and share opinions! *is proud of the Clerith community*).
I just thought that scene was there to show them :unsure: . I didn't even understand that Aerith was in it AT ALL!
And then I freaked out in KH2 when Tifa started emmiting flashes of light...
If I hadn't come to the forum to read about all of this and ask questions, maybe I would have gotten the wrong idea.. I would still like to see Cloud with Aerith, but I would think Square wanted to show that he had moved on with Tifa.
What I'm trying to say is that if you want to see something, you'll see it. We can't stop them from that.

I see what you mean.
By now, I think it's pretty obvious that there are many hidden symbolisms and, as it was with the game, the answers really do require fans to think on a deeper level.

For me...the appearance of the wolf, the flowers, and the healing water droplet pretty much gave it all away. I know that in the past, Clotis (even some Cleris) have argued that the wolf's appearance during that scene symbolized Cloud's guilt over finding Tifa hurt in the church, but I never saw it as such. I can recall just how rabid some Clotis were about it in the LTDs I participated in. :rolleyes:

By the time I watched AC though, I already found out that the wolf was symbolic of Cloud's sin, and CoT already made it clear that his sin was associated with guilt over the dead of FFVII. It didn't make any sense to me for the wolf to be associated with Tifa, as she's not one of the dead. You can't just ignore the flowers and the water droplet or the fact that the wolf appeared in the Church after those two things were shown. Also, the water theme was playing, and the only person the theme is associated with is Aerith. I had no idea back then that she was actually healing Cloud and Tifa, but I always believed that scene was symbolic of her.

True that we can't stop anyone from seeing what they want to see and interpreting things as they want to, but I do strongly believe there are answers SE just isn't revealing. Anyhow, I'm really glad though they were able to reveal what the church scene truly signified. I was getting so sick and tired of hearing Clotis claiming that it had been about a romantic Cloud and Tifa scene. :)

I hate tifa, she looks like a man. It shoulda been her that got the sword driven through her body! Thats all..I really have to say. Cloud&Aerith for EVA!!!!!!! :devil: :cleris:

It's okay if you hate Tifa, but please don't bash her here without proper thoughts and reasonings. These threads here are more for the purpose of discussions, and also keep in mind that there are Tifa fans in these threads as well. Take it to the character bashing thread next time. Thanks ^^

~HD

I hate Tifa! I despise her!

She's a flirt, nagger and a useless martial artist. Its like this, if she knew martial arts then why would she want Cloud to save her? She's no damsel-in-distress!
Good thing Loz kicked her ass, but I'm still yearning for more! Who doesn't?
Plus, she's just the childhood friend. ^_^


We try to limit character-bashing on this forum since there are fans of the character around--and that includes Tifa. As HD suggested in the post above, if you want to bash her, do it in the Character Bashing forum. This part of the forum is for people to discuss why they dislike Cloti, not to bash Tifa.

~ Lynn