The last two Cloti's in here were griping that we don't allow people freedom of expression in this forum by banning Cloti's who come in here to argue.

The way I see it is that this is a CloudxAerith forum intended for those who love the CloudxAerith pairing. That means that you join the forum if you like the couple, not if you dislike the couple. The Love Triangle can be debated on many forums, so it's not like people who want to debate it don't have the opportunity to debate it. CloudxAerith people basically have noplace but the Devotion thread at AC.net where they can talk about the couple they love without harassment, flaming, bashing, and interference from Cloti's who try to jump down your throat the minute you say you love CloudxAerith and then try to "prove you wrong". On other forums, we are not allowed to state our beliefs without continuous harassment. If we allow Cloti's in here, we will have topics about what they think happened under the Highwind, how Cloud and Tifa must be making babies together in AC, constant arguing, and constant harassment.

So, do members want Cloti's here? Or should the forum staff continue banning Cloti's who argue against our belief that CloudxAerith are the true couple of FFVII? (That includes those who falsely claim to believe that CloudxAerith is the true couple of FFVII just in order to get access to this forum - if we have proof of them arguing against it on other forums, we will ban them here, too.)

So far, the voting stands at ten members against letting Cloti's in (Anastar, FF_Goddess, Sefie, Seii_Monogatari, Mira, Hopeful Angel, Cloud Gainsborough, Shrouded Light, slowerthanaverage, zhakeena), and zero members for letting Cloti's in. I'd like to hear what more members think of this.

I haven't set this up as a poll because I want to hear people's opinions rather than just seeing a Yes or No vote. If you want to keep them out or if you'd like to let them in, I'd like to know why.

And thank you. :rolleyes:

Oh, *Just came from the venting forum* you already did. Well alrighty then!

My vote's to keep them OUT. We get enough of them in other forums, and they even raid our forum just to annoy us. We don't need to hear their debates, because this is a CLERIS forum. It's a nice little safe haven where one can post a picture of Cloud and Aeris and NOT get flamed mercilessly. It's somewhere we can just be silly and enjoy our favorite couple. There's no point and no reason to let CloTi's in

They mainly come here to make trouble, so I have to say 'OUT'

Keep them out!!! That just proves that they like to fight (could that be because they know that their arguments are worthless ^_^ so they try to convince us by force). This is a Cleris sacred place, which means 100% clotis free!!!!

Keep them OUT! All the Cloti's want to do is cause trouble and flame everyone.

The score so far:

13 members for keeping Cloti's out of the forum

0 members for letting Cloti's into the forum

Thanks, everyone - keep the votes coming! I want to see that we have a consensus among the majority here. :rolleyes:

I say they have to go. All they do is stir the pot.

KEEP THEM OUT!!!! PLEASE!!!

Clotis just pollute the air here in our pretty pink forum. All they do is start trouble and act like immature jerkoffs.

Already voted, but I say out. Clotis barge in and try to be funny, or try to convince us that Cleris is stupid. They tell us we have no lives while simultaneously stalking our members from forum to forum. If we want to debate, I say let's do it at SSF, Ac.net or elsewhere, not here. ;)

Ah so you went ahead and make a thread in announcements about it Aly, thank you :)

I started writing this the other day and was going to post it today in the Venting forum but since this thread is here now I'll post it here instead *^_^*

Well those are my thoughts on the matter :) Since then I came up with the thought that maybe it would be better to continue to make decisions based on the Clotis behaviour? If they behave inappropriately enough to merit a ban then ban them but if they don’t behave inappropriately let them in? o_o Also what’s going to happen to me and other people like me are we going to get shut out Aly? O_O

Fury Brand,

Your point that we are all human beings is quite true. On an individual basis, I'm friends with several Cloti's. Death Sin and I have been friends for quite awhile, and he was one of the biggest Cloti's ever on the Gamefaqs forum. I've lost touch with him since he started Uni, but I still hear from him sometimes. He's a great guy with a great sense of humor. We still disagree on the Love Triangle, but we're able to talk about it with one another with humor instead of anger.

Not all talk centers around Cloti vs. Cleris on this forum, FB, but a great deal of it does. We have a certain perspective of the game - that Cloud and Aerith are the couple that Square intended as the true couple of the game. We do not believe that Cloud and Tifa had a love relationship of any kind, nor do we believe that Cloud and Tifa are currently in love, nor do we ever want Cloud and Tifa to have a love relationship. We want a place where we can talk about FFVII and AC from that perspective without disagreement. We do not want to debate the Love Triangle here, and that is inevitable if we let Cloti's in. It is inevitable that there will be discussion about Cloud and Tifa's supposed love relationship if we let Cloti's in. It is inevitable that there will be contention on the issue if we let Cloti's in.

Contention on that very issue is what breeds more anger between Cloti's and Cleris. There are many forums where that disagreement can be discussed. There is, however, no place other than Devotion where the Cleris can discuss their view of FFVII and AC without disagreement. We're tired of hearing the Cloti viewpoint because it makes no sense to us. We want to discuss our viewpoint and share our views in peace without someone trying to tell us that we are wrong.

Why is it so wrong that we want to discuss our viewpoint without contention? This is not a matter of the Cloti's being evil. This is a matter of we no longer want to hear what they have to say about CloudxAerith because we think it's ridiculous and we do not accept it. We no longer want to hear what they have to say about Cloud and Tifa because we think it's ridiculous and we do not accept it. We have to listen to it in many other places. Why do we have to listen to it here, too?

The current vote is:
15 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
1 member for letting Cloti's into this forum.

I hope to hear from more members. :rolleyes:

Thank you for the explanation Aly :) It clarified and cleared up some issues for me :)

I think that's great and I'm glad that there are Clotis that don't treat you badly *^_^*

Oh I completely understand that people want this to be a place where they can freely discuss Aerith X Cloud and where they don't have to defend their opinions and I don't think that's wrong :) I agree that there are other places where debates can take place if people want to debate :) My understanding of the situation is though that Clotis are not just going to be banned from debating but are going to be banned from the board entirely and not allowed to post on any subject or make any new subjects of their own. Is that right? It is true that this board is mostly about Aerith and Cloud but there are other topics to be discussed such as Aerith and Cloud as individual characters, the other individual characters in FFVII or the relationships of those characters with each other and the same with the other games in the Final Fantasy series. There's also the General Chat section where topics can be discussed that don't have anything to do with games at all :) Maybe there are Clotis that would respect your wish to not have debates on the love traingle and content themselves with posting on those other subjects :), I guess I can't really speak for full Clotis though but I do know there are people that like both pairings that would and do indeed do that :lol:

Anyway like I said in my previous post I just wanted to have my say on the matter. There will be no fuss from me here if the ban on all Clotis does go through :)

-FB

Actually, FB, I think that people who like both pairings are already here. I know of four members for certain (including you), and I believe there are several others already involved in this forum. There's even one that may actually prefer Cloti, although I'm not certain of that. However, that individual doesn't hassle us about our pro-Cleris viewpoints, nor does that individual try to promote Cloti in any way. I've actually found that individual's viewpoints quite interesting on different topics. ;)

I think you'd be surprised how diverse this forum actually is. We simply do not want pro-Cloti posting here, nor do we want to hear anti-Cleris posting, nor do we want to hear Anti-Aerith posting. Anyone who comes in here and tries to give us a hassle about it will find themselves kicked out real fast. Anyone who doesn't give us a hassle, respects our beliefs, doesn't oppose our viewpoints on Cloud and Aerith, and doesn't try to promote CloudxTifa won't get kicked out.

My friend Death Sin is enough of a friend to respect that this place is for Cleris people only. I highly doubt that he would even try to sign up at this forum because he doesn't see CloudxAerith from the same viewpoint. I think he's been a member of Seventh Heaven for a long time, and I doubt he'd see any need to sign up here. Why sign up at any forum that isn't based on your interests or beliefs? That's rather like signing up for a Club at ACF for something you don't like. Why do it?

Well Aly, for now....I vote out.

Thanks for the vote, Shroudster.

The current vote is:
15 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
1 member for letting Cloti's into this forum.

I hope to hear from more members. :rolleyes:

Er...can I vote? =P


OUT!

Hmmm.

I say let them in. Restrict debates and/or pro-Cloti parading to a particular forum if you wish, but still let them in. At least give the idea a chance. More good than you think may come out of it.

Thanks for the votes, Aerith and Seeker.

The current vote is:
16 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
2 members for letting Cloti's into this forum.

I hope to hear from more members. :rolleyes:

Sorry to be the pessimist, Seek... but all of the run-ins i've had were bad.

There may be some nice CloTis out there, but i've never met one... and i've encountered many.


KEEP THEM OUT!

Thanks for voting, Cloud G. :D

The current vote is:
17 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
2 members for letting Cloti's into this forum.

Keep the votes coming in! I'd like to hear from a majority of the members. :rolleyes:

i vote out ( but i gess if theyre civilised enuf ill give them a go)

I'll vote to keep them out too.

Thanks for votes, Ophelia and AeRîŠ_š†rIƒE. :rolleyes:

The current vote is:
19 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
2 members for letting Cloti's into this forum.

Keep the votes coming in! I'd like to hear from a majority of the members.

Out for me. I think is just too much trouble :( .

I chose OUT. because CloTi fans are bound to disagree with lots of stuff CloRith fans feel about the game. But if they're mature enough about everything, I guess it'd be okay... but Out though ^^

Limit it to a particular thread, like stated by Seeker. That way if there is a dispute or some sort of disagreement like one made with the recent forum issue, it can be dealt with in a controlled, civilized manner (hopefully). And those who want nothing to do with it, or them, can stay out of it.

I vote in, with limitations.

Thanks for votes, Nya, Sakura27, and PA.

The current vote is:
21 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
3 members for letting Cloti's into this forum.

A note about limiting the Cloti's to certain areas of the forum. That would require that they assign themselves to the Cloti group upon registration. Otherwise, the admins/mods would have to assign them to the Cloti group after registration, which could turn into a hassle depending on the number of forum members. Once that type of arrangement was made, there will most likely be dispute over them being allowed in only certain areas of the forum.

Keep the votes coming in! I'd like to hear from a majority of the members. :rolleyes:

Hmm...my thoughts on this have probably been stated by other members before me, but heck...these are my thoughts so I'm just going to post them.

I've been in my share of LT debates and I'm sick and tired of being flamed by them. Clotis can be rude and offensive in many ways (thoughts of CIML are coming to mind). However, Clotis, like us, are human beings. They, like us, can be both perfectly reasonable and total 'biyotchs'. I have many Cloti friends that I 'agree to disagree' with. If we could achieve some kind of agreement, like I have with my friends, then I think it'd be interesting to hear their point of view on other things BESIDES the LT.

So my final vote is to let them in, although I advise that they stay out of the 'Venting' and 'Pro-Cloaer' forums. ^_^

(err..I hope I didn't ramble too much. ^^;;;)

Is there a possibility that you could let them in, but resrict their options? I just think a healthy debate is good, but if any flaming starts, kick them out. It's fun to discuss our opinions, but it can get out of hand. So, I say let them in, unless you have a reason to kick them out. :)

Thanks for voting, Aeris and Materia Thief! :D

The current vote is:
21 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
5 members for letting Cloti's into this forum with restricted options. (No one has said to give them full access)

Limiting the Cloti's to certain areas of the forum would require that admins/mods assign them to a Cloti group after registration, which could turn into a hassle depending on the number of forum members. Once they were allowed into the forum with restrictions, I foresee a dispute starting about why they only have limited access and demands that they have full access to the forum. Do we want that?

Keep the votes coming in! I'd like to hear from a majority of the members. :rolleyes:

well, i think this is a site for aeris and cloud, not for discuss the love triangle..if the tifa and cloud fan came here, in my opinion is only to try to make us change our mind about cloud and aeris, but, sorry, this will neber happen becauce the true fans of cloris, we know very well who is the true couple off ff7...i think this is only for aeris and cloud, so, if they dont love the couple why the come here? i dont go to tifa and cloud sites, only to talk about the love of aeris and cloud because they would probabily ignore me so..why we have to alow them to came in this site?

its only my opinion

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Well, not all clotis' are bad. But I think I can speak for the majority of many us being flamed, name called, and ridicule by many Clotis'. So, its hard to decide since you don't know which Cloti is accepting and which one is only mocking and faking it out. (We already saw those members in here.) So, my vote will have to be NO, for now. Until there are Clotis' who doesn't come in here just faking it out or mocking us like some have done already, I would have to vote for keeping Clotis' out. <_<

Thanks for voting, Daga15 and aerithstrife! :D

The current vote is:
23 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
5 members for letting Cloti's into this forum with restricted options. (No one has said to give them full access)

Keep the votes coming in! I'd like to hear from a majority of the members. :rolleyes:

Y'know what I don't get? What's the POINT of restricted access? The people who have voted for that have voted like that simply because they knew a nice CloTi. Now, if the person's nice enough can't they just join the forum and not mention they're a CloTi, and not bring it up? Nobody here wants to debate, and what's the point of letting a CloTi into a Cleris forum other than that? I mean, if we wanna be friends and talk, there are LOTS of other forums ou there for that. So, why let them into ours? It's just silly

Because sometimes it's better to be honest and admit that ones' a CloTi than hide it, and be ostracized for it when it slips out. I've encountered that through being a Cloris and it's not fun. If you just hide it, you're not being honest, and the vote is to let them enter or not. When you look at it that way, the vote is pointless.

I have to say don't let the Clotis in. <_<

I've only been here as a member for one day but I already like this fourm. Because I know people here are friendly and they won't make fun of me for liking Cleris and/or for liking Aeris in general. :)

Even though there are nice Clotis, the majority of Clotis are the ones that make up those stupid pieces of "evidence" and call Aeris sleezy and say she stole Cloud.

The point of this fourm will be gone. I don't want that to happen. So I have to say don't let the Clotis in.

Thanks for your vote, Lady Anime! :D

The current vote is:
24 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
5 members for letting Cloti's into this forum with restricted options. (No one has said to give them full access)

Keep the votes coming in! I'd like to hear from a majority of the members. :rolleyes:

I think the same as Aeris.

The question is: is this place a forum or a private club? ;)

So I vote them in, with restrictions (people can be very very silly sometimes, Cloti or not :lol: ). I've always talked with sweet Cloti: that's why I don't feel the same as you.

Thanks for your vote, Coral! :D

The current vote is:
24 members for keeping Cloti's out of this forum.
6 members for letting Cloti's into this forum with restricted options. (No one has said to give them full access)

Keep the votes coming in! I'd like to hear from a majority of the members. :rolleyes:

Eh, I'm stuck. I'd like to see what they have to say about Cloud and Aerith's relationship, but I doubt they'd stick to that.
For the sake of keeping the forum spam and flaming free, I vote to keep the forums within Clerith fans only.