hello again :D thx 4 the reply 4 my last topic
cloud has always fascinated me in so many ways and some times i wonder about so many unknown things about him.
But one of the "unkown things" i wonder a lot about is:
Who is cloud's father?
We kinda know the basics of his mother:
blonde hair
kind, cares 4 her son a lot
"vibrant" was the way cloud described her

Doesn't it make u wander who the father could b?
All i know is that he died when cloud was very young
:sad: poor lil guy

you know I never heard anything about Cloud's father, you know the interesting thing is if the father is absent we never hear about who the father is or where they are in anime and video games, but if the mother is absent we always know things about the mother.

I think he kind of looks like Rufus Shinra, but I don't think President Shinra is his father.

Don't ask me, I'm still on the first disc.

maybe his dad looked like him. They really never say........I don't think atleast. From my expreince all I know is he died. Sooo that's all I know. But that is a great question. Another really good one is what does Cloud look like naked. :D

Or what does Cloud's father look like naked?

*watches everyone's brains die* :D

Well, that depends. There are instances when the father is absent yet plays a big role in the character's life too. And there are instances when both parents are given equal focus, which is so much more awesome, in my book. It's annoying when, say, most of the major characters in Lord of the Rings are influenced by their fathers-- I guess nobody there has any mothers to speak of. :rolleyes:

I've seen an old fanfic that played with that idea. ^^

Actually, the original game wasn't at all specific on who Cloud's dad was, so it was always fun to play around with possible ideas-- Cloud being Rufus' half-brother, for one. Even though he said his father died, you could always claim his mother lied to him or something. :P

Those possibilities got kinda debunked when the Ultimania also confirmed that fact, but oh well.

I am his father. XD Okay sorry that was ust plain stupid T_T
Anyways i always wondered that as well. IT is like those mysteries that shall never be anwesered unless you beat it out of somebody. =P
I think he would look like Cloud somewhat like Cloud...wait isn't Cloud just a puppet? Sorry sorry ignore my ranting i am at the moment high on cold medicine. =P

ssshhhhh! you're giving Squeenix ideas for more spinoffs!! >< :P

lol ok honestly... yes it's intriguing.... most of the unknown characters of the game that we know existed however we know nothing about died in the Wutai war....

Elmyra's husband for instance... (wouldn't it be cool if him and Cloud's father were friends and promised to like... wed their kids or something xD ... ok I'm lame)

I'd like to defend LOTR because I disagree... but that'll be in another topic. ^0^

But yes, look at FF7. Cloud has no dad, Aerith's adopted father became cannon fodder (I mean, really, do we even know Elmyra's husband's name?). Tifa, Vincent, Yuffie has no moms... list can go on.

Pssh. Everyone knows Cloud's dad had an affair with Tifa's mom and Tifa is REALLY Cloud's half sister. :whistle:

XD :lmao:

Anyway, I thought I read about something or other about Clouds daddy...I cant remember where though.

And everyone who's played the game knows that Cloud looks like his mommy! (Remember the flashback where she was talking about Aerith Cloud's future girlfriend?)

In RPGs, it is very typical that one of th emain character's parents will be dead or both of them will be dead. On the rare occasions where both parents are alive, they are usually killed very early on in the RPG.

So I'm not surprised that we've never heard of Cloud's father, doesn't really bother me.

The most we know about him is that he died in the Wutai war before Cloud was even born. :[

Incest!11 :lmao:

Heehee! If Tifa and Cloud were brother/sister (even half) that would explain their relationship!

What does Cloud look like naked?

I'm more interested in what does Aerith look like nekkid. But every time I think those thoughts, I hear the voice of Steve Burton in the back of my head yelling something about Omnislash.

About Cloud's dad:

I think Cloud's dad was probably a SOLDIER. A real one, one of those who made it in. He may or may not have made 1st Class. That would explain in part Cloud's desire to become one. As for how he looked...he probably had blond hair, and it may or may not have been spiky. Probably had the same glowing blue eyes Cloud has.

This would also explain why Cloud feels like a loser upon failing to enter SOLDIER and failing to follow his father's footsteps.

that's an interesting theory about Cloud's father being in soilder, but Cloud probably looks exactly like him.

I doubt that very much, I think that Cloud's father was just simply a normal person who lived in Nibelheim, I agree with the fact that maybe he was sent to Wutai as I assume that normal men were taken to battle the ninjas from there much like Aerith's foster father.

Plus, Cloud wanted to join SOLDIER so he would get respect, and also to be like his hero Sephiroth.

WHOA, you just described my Sims Strife family there! :razz:

Really? I don't recall that being mentioned in the game... Unless we're talking about info from the Ultimania/something from the Compilation?

I like that idea, too, and it seems the most probable to me since we got no mention of his father whatsoever. I also think it adds to Cloud's charming normality-- he's just an average kid who got picked on when young, with no pedigree or anything to speak of to his name, yet somehow grew up to save the world.

If Cloud's father had been 1st Class SOLDIER, I think SE would've slid a hint or two somewhere in the game.

:lol: Well, that was just a quick observation after only one-time viewings of all three movies. [/trying to save ass from total whoopage by Anti]

Yeah! I've always wondered what Cloud daddie looked like... probly reeealy hot... :cloud: awww, Cloudie's witto dada...teeheee! :fangirl: :fangirl: !

hmm.........a very good question, I wonder why didnt Square bring his father in game, I mean about the half of the game is about Cloud's quest for identity, his family could be a strong proof and hint fot his search, his origin and his past......

Even though it's about as impossible as can be, wouldn't it be so twisted if Sephiroth was Cloud's father? :blink: After all, Sephy was Cloud's hero.

Haha, my nonsensical theories I just throw out there for humor's sake. You'll have to excuse my random thought about Sephiroth being Cloud's father. I just watched Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back. :lmao: :lmao:

I'm not sure if Cloud'll be traumatised by that if it's true. :lmao:

I always imagine his dad to be someone with light-coloured hair and maybe spiky hair, but I thought he get his fringes from his mum.

Sephiroth as Cloud's father.... *twitches* I have no comment

One of the more intersting debates that I've hear on who Cloud's father is can be found in this Forum topic from ACF.


*Be forwarned.. there are Spoilers present to many different parts of the Compilation.*


As such.. I'll only provide the link. But do remember.. its just a theory.. not a fact.


http://forums.adventchildren.net/showthread.php?t=64905

I think Cloud's father is indeed Mickey Mouse. Fo shizzle. o_o

Anyway, Cloud's dad is most likely just a normal guy, just like his mother. But did he even have a father, he was a clone after all. A "failed experiment." We may never know.

CLoud wasn't a "Clone" in the traditional sense. He was a eral persaon well before he was experimented on. Think of his "cloneness" as simply being a "Copy" Sephiroth was dead (at least they thought) so they tried to recreate another Sephiroth (or something close to him) by using another person. SOmeone else can probably explain this a lil better than i can :/

No, I think you explained it well enough. :) The title of "Sephiroth clone" in the FFVII world seems to apply to anyone who's been injected with Jenova cells. It's not as we know it, the creation of a whole new organism from one cell (on a sidenote, I believe this is what Jenova is capable of). Sephiroth tried to lie to Cloud by saying he was constructed like a mannequin, limb by limb, which we then learn is untrue.

I'd tend to think Cloud had a biological father or else he wouldn't even exist in the first place (and IIRC, the Ultimania confirms the father died when he was young), but I like to wonder if the reason we know so little of Cloud's father is because he's a bastard child...

*avoids pitchforks* What? Don't blame me, blame the plot bunnies! :angel:

Truly.. if possible.. it does make sense for "the character from the post i suggested above" to be Cloud's father.


Here's some more reasons for it, and why i think that they wil present Cloud's father in some fashion in the upcomming parts of the Compilation:

There are seven (strangely enough) main characters of the Final fantasy Saga:

1. Cloud
2. Sephiroth
3. Aeris
4. Tifa
5. Vincent
6. Zack
7. Genesis

(In roughly that order)

Aeris has an important fahter figure (Gast)
Spehiroth has an important Father Figure (Hojo)
Tifa has a father figure (one that you are made to feel compassionate for.

If one follows the trend.. if the top 3 out of the 4 main characters out of the FFVII storyline have mentions towards their father.. why then leave out the most important character of all.


More So.. with Spehiroth, we get both his Father and his (two) mothers. If Spehiroth (in some regards) is a mirror figure or comparisson for Cloud.. equally they should give some reagrads to Cloud's origin besides the few lines his mother has. And.. if Sephiroth's father matters so much in terms of the storyline.. wouldn't they equally try to give credence to CLoud's father?

Plus lets look at the Fathers and Father figures presented in the final fantasies after VII


*Spoilers from the following FF's*















IN FFVII (and i might be wrong in this) isn't Laguna Squalls father?

In FFIX Isn't Garland considered Zidane's "father"

In FFX Jecht plays a pivitol role in Tidus' life.


So. thus.. they would try and create a backstory for CLoud's father.


So.. anyone else have any thoughts on this matter?

Very nice comments and welcome Aeris007 ^_^

FFVIII - Yes, I do believe that Squall is Laguna and Raine's child. Ellone stated that she wished to change the past so that Raine and Laguna would be reunited before she died and Laguna would be able to see his child, and she was using Squall. She also said that this child was sent to a far off orphanage where he would be taken care of which would be of course, Edea's place. Also when you actually meet Laguna and co, Kiros says to Squall, "You look a lot like your mother," and Ward says "Its a good thing you don't look like your father,". Finishing this off, Laguna tells Squall that he wishes to discuss some things with him, but if Squall doesn't want to listen then its okay. Woah, and this is supposed to be a FFVII topic xD

FFIX - I suppose that is true, since Garland created both Kuja and Zidane he would be seen as their father. Quite possibly all of the Genomes were Garland's children.

FFX - One of the main themes for X for the relationship between father and son, but this is also the first FF where we actually know the main character's dad xD

Now onto the actual topic...

I completely agree with the Sephiroth clones, because Sephiroth was never cloned himself. Hojo could never reach him with Sephy being trapped in the Northern Crater. But then people say about the number of Sephiroth incarnations that appeared throughout Disc 1 and early disc 2. This is Jenova, Cloud states this himself that they had been fighting Jenova all of this time. Also if you watch the videos in Gast's house, Iflana says:

"Jenova was able to take the images of our lost ones, brothers, lovers and friends,"

Well that isn't exactly what she said but it was something along the lines of that xD

I think that the reason with Cloud's family life is, what was there really to explain? VII never really focused on a theme such as that and a little backstory where we got to meet them wouldn't really come in much expect at the Lifestream event maybe. We had the Love Triangle, lots of side quests, Aerith's Death and the whole Jenova/Sephiroth events to deal with so I guess dealing with a family wasn't really important.

Personally, I think only Aerith and Sephiroth had remarkable parents, which is among what helps set them apart from the more 'normal' humans. Their fathers were geniuses, their mothers held unique positions in the world (I'm referring to Jenova in Sephiroth's case, although Lucrecia could also be considered unique).

Tifa's father and Cloud's mother were rather unremarkable, with no background and very little character (I'd also contest the 'likeability' of Tifa's dad, as I didn't really like him at all, but that's something else entirely :lol: ).

As for why Cloud's father was left out of the loop, I go back to my original stance: that it's because Cloud's past is meant to be something unremarkable turning into something heroic. It's in contrast to Sephiroth, whose genes are probably considered fantastic; whereas Cloud is meant to come from a backwater town as a nobody. He's just Cloud, with nothing else attached to his name.

I doubt we'd see any comment on Cloud's father in CC, but who's to say what SE will cook up. But I think it's part of what sets him apart from all the forces in the world (Aerith/Cetra and Sephiroth/Jenova), and something SE should not and will not mess with.

I was surprised Vincent was given a father in the Compilation... I can't say I like it though. I can't help but feel that Gast should have played a more important role in DoC's flashbacks, for the simple reason that he initiated the Jenova Project.

Tifa's father is a jerk. Felt no remorse for him or Tifa when Sephiroth gutted him.

I feel bad for Cloud's mother though.

Zack's parents seemed normal. Just random NPCs in Gongaga.

OH man.... Vincent was given a father? (Well of course he had one.. but to actaully develope some storyline for him) that's cool. Guess that's in DoC though.. so I don;t want to know anymore about it.. since I'll be playing it here very soon for myself ^^

Vincent was given a father???? :blink: I don't think I like that. With the Compilation, they're obviously going to include some details that weren't in the game. But suddenly creating something so big as Vincent's father? That's just manipulating the original game which I don't like. I really hope they don't give Cloud a father either.

I actually think it's cool, I want to see what Vincent's father was like.

Yeahhh, I guess I'd want to see what he's like. But the fact is, that's really adding too much to the original story. When the Compilation does things like that, I think it's kind of abusing the integrity of the game. The Compilation is pieces that add onto the game. But I don't think they should include big plot points that someone who only played the game would've liked to know. I'm not talking about stuff with sequels, and what happened after the game. I mean things that could've been included in the original story, major plot points like Vincent's father. If not something like Vincent's father, what are they going to leave up to the player's imaginations anymore?

Ehh, I don't know. It just bothers me.

Vincent's Father is Sephiroth I own FF7, FF7:AC, AND FF7:DOC

Sorry to burst your bubble hun, Vinnie's dad wasn't Sephiroth. :sweat:

If anything, there were once rumours going round that Vincent was Sephy's dad, but that's been wholly disproved from the official game itself, where Hojo states he is Sephiroth's father.

It would be impossible for Sephiroth to be Vincent's dad. Take in account the timeline. Hojo x Lucrecia = Sephiroth.
Vincent / Hojo / Lucrecia = LTD before Sephy was even born. It wouldn't be possible for Sephiroth to be his dad, plus it wouldn't make a lot of sense.

Then again his mom .. if I remember so also had spikey hair. Or I could just be thinking of Cloud when he dressed up as a girl :lol: