Title: Final Fantasy 12 Opening Movie - Spoilers!
nyrin - March 16, 2006 07:17 PM (GMT)
So it turned out the last post I made was made by someone like mere days before :P So I wanna make it up by posting something new this time - well, at least I hope it's new. It should be since this is a pretty recent development. Hopefully this is allowed though.
For you Final Fantasy 12 fans out there, you probably know that the game came out in Japan just yesterday (Japan time). As expected, someone already has the opening movie up on youtube! It's sooo prettiful! Is it just me, or is anybody else glad that they're finally going back to their more traditional fantasy style routes? Although I guess I could count FF9...
Plus that guy (don't know his name) who Ashe married is so hawt!! :fangirl: Even his voice is love!!
And armoured up chocobos are totally love!!!!!!
It turns out that Famitsu gave the game a PERFECT score, so it seems this'll definitely be worth the wait!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4XtVj4BWBc...20fantasy%20xiiI want one of those moogles!!
PS - does anyone know the NA/euro release date?
Edit: Now updated with the very very very high quality version!!
goddess_in_pink07 - March 16, 2006 08:39 PM (GMT)
That was sooo good! But oh my gosh, is that goy Ashe married is hot! I am so gonna buy this game when it comes out!
I actually had no idea it just came out in Japan! :D :D :P
Lesca - March 16, 2006 10:25 PM (GMT)
Hehe I'm a big FFXII fan and when I watched the intro movie and the second part of that I was squealing like a school girl :lol: Definatly looks amazing, Razler is a pretty hot husband I must say xD
I've kinda subjected myself to checking out some stuff at Gamefaqs..and even if am not pleased about some things I intend to get the game when it comes out in a bazillion years here lol
Anti-R - March 17, 2006 01:02 AM (GMT)
OMG. I squeed in happiness.
The wedding looks awesome. XD
yin-chan - March 17, 2006 02:01 AM (GMT)
OH GOD. MUST.NOT.WATCH.
MUST.WAIT.FOR.OFFICIAL.RELEASE.
*runs as far away from the link as possible* :lol: Thanks for sharing though!
Lady_leBLanc - March 17, 2006 03:19 PM (GMT)
It's fantastic!!!! the whole intro is like a movie O_o the CG quality is really amazing!!!
Thanks so much for posting :D
Lynn - March 17, 2006 03:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (nyrin @ Mar 16 2006, 07:17 PM) |
| Is it just me, or is anybody else glad that they're finally going back to their more traditional fantasy style routes? Although I guess I could count FF9... |
Ooh, me me me! I've expressed my pure, utter love for FFIX on this basis alone, and I've been a fan of this traditional setting making a repeat appearance in FFXII since the beginning. Give me chocobo mounts over motorcycles any day! :lol:
I don't know the name of the guy Ashe marries, but yes, he is very hot. And he looks to be a chivalrous good-guy knight, and if that's true I'm certain I will absolutely love him. No wonder he dies-- unwritten rules dictate that anybody that hot who appears that early in a game who is not the main character has to die. :P
I'm loving that he and Ashe also appear to be really in love. Who knows if that assumption turns out true later on, but I would love it if she continues to remain faithful to him throughout the game, and remains platonic friends with Vaan. We already got a princess/thief pairing with Garnet and Zidane, so it would be lovely if SE took another route in this game.
| QUOTE (yin-chan) |
OH GOD. MUST.NOT.WATCH. MUST.WAIT.FOR.OFFICIAL.RELEASE. |
:o Oh no, yin-chan's amazing willpower that stopped her from spoiling AC for herself is back in play!
I'm so easy. >_< But on the bright side, I'll probably be able to wait until the NA release to play the game. I've heard it's coming out end of this year, but someone who more closely follows the game should know better.
FF_Goddess - March 17, 2006 04:19 PM (GMT)
Very cool! Thanks for sharing, nyrin! :D
**SPOILERS** Is it just me or did it appear that this was an arranged marriage? They looked happy, but not that happy. Not happy enough to be in love. And Ashe was sad when he died, but she didn't even look like she was crying. :unsure: **END SPOILERS**
Lynn - March 17, 2006 04:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FF_Goddess @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) |
**SPOILERS**
Is it just me or did it appear that this was an arranged marriage? They looked happy, but not that happy. Not happy enough to be in love. And Ashe was sad when he died, but she didn't even look like she was crying. :unsure:
**END SPOILERS** |
*VIDEO SPOILERS*
Well, Cloud didn't look like he was crying when he put Aerith to rest... :lol:
It could be the same for Ashe, in that she's good at holding in her emotions. I can't remember the details of the video (am waiting for YouTube to load it again), but didn't they show her silhoutte as she fell to her knees beside his coffin? That looked like a pretty devastated reaction to me.
It could have been an arranged marriage, though, considering the time and era of the game.
*END VIDEO SPOILERS*
FF_Goddess - March 17, 2006 04:48 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lynn @ Mar 17 2006, 04:25 PM) |
*VIDEO SPOILERS*
Well, Cloud didn't look like he was crying when he put Aerith to rest... :lol:
It could be the same for Ashe, in that she's good at holding in her emotions. I can't remember the details of the video (am waiting for YouTube to load it again), but didn't they show her silhoutte as she fell to her knees beside his coffin? That looked like a pretty devastated reaction to me.
It could have been an arranged marriage, though, considering the time and era of the game.
*END VIDEO SPOILERS* |
Yes, but you have to remember the huge difference between the graphics of FFVII and the graphics of FFXII.
**SPOILERS** People say Cloud didn't cry when Aerith died because you simply could not see any expressions on the polygon faces of the time. However, his shoulders shook and he was clearly very anguished, holding Aerith's body to him. MotP clarified all of this.
However, Ashe only kneeled next to the coffin. If Cloud can have an emotional breakdown, I don't see why she can't. There's no way she is as introverted as Cloud. :lmao: **/SPOILERS**
Lynn - March 17, 2006 05:00 PM (GMT)
I was referring to when Cloud laid Aerith to rest in the lake-- since it was an FMV, if they had wanted to show Cloud crying then, they probably would've been able to. I don't think MotP mentioned anything about him crying during that scene.
I agree that he was probably crying-- or at least, very close to tears-- when he was holding her in front of Sephiroth, though.
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| If Cloud can have an emotional breakdown, I don't see why she can't. There's no way she is as introverted as Cloud. :lmao: |
:lmao: I kinda hope she is! Who says a girl can't have as much control over her emotions as a guy? It's funny how it's usually the secondary females who tend to show this reserved personality (among the Nomura-designed characters, anyway), so it's my hope that Ashe changes that.
The closest example I can think of, of a character I would like Ashe to be like, is Beatrice from FFIX.
Although I'm not hoping very much. -_- The other female character with the bunny ears (whose name escapes me at the moment) looks to be the collected one of the two.
nyrin - March 17, 2006 07:31 PM (GMT)
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| Give me chocobo mounts over motorcycles any day! |
Oh I squeed like nothing before when I saw those chocobos! I mean FF7 is great, but it's just so cool to go back to the old school, FFIV style goodness!
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| And he looks to be a chivalrous good-guy knight, and if that's true I'm certain I will absolutely love him. No wonder he dies-- unwritten rules dictate that anybody that hot who appears that early in a game who is not the main character has to die. |
I so hope he comes back though. I mean who knows in FF, he might not really be dead...or maybe I'm just hoping beyond all hope cuz I think he's tons hotter than the actual main character (Vaan) and if he's truly gone this early, no one shall be spared from my broken-hearted fangirl rage, no one!!
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| I'm loving that he and Ashe also appear to be really in love. Who knows if that assumption turns out true later on, but I would love it if she continues to remain faithful to him throughout the game, and remains platonic friends with Vaan. We already got a princess/thief pairing with Garnet and Zidane, so it would be lovely if SE took another route in this game. |
that would be very cool, though I'm partial to the whole arranged marraige thing myself. I mean who knows, really. I too noticed that when Knight (not his real name but I still don't know it) smiled at Ashe during the parade her own smile seemed kind of forced (WHY THE HELL ASHE CAN YOU NOT SEE HIM?). But who knows, maybe she is that kind of reserved warrior type. There's no reason why you can't have two in the game (if I'm assuming that Fran - the bunny girl - is also one).
To tell you the truth I'm quite tired with the cliches that Square has been depending on, particularly with their female characters. I mean, every game has a slight twist but for the most part they're always doing the same thing. FF12 already has the
requisite perky jail bait character. It'll be nice that they change it around for the main heroine.
Oh and in terms of who loves who, we can't be sure that Ashe and Vaan will be in love! Because I heard that in an interview they said that Ashe and Vaan will probably fall in love, but not necessarily with each other. I'm thinking another love triangle might be set up, but who knows...?
Lynn - March 17, 2006 07:50 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (nyrin @ Mar 17 2006, 07:31 PM) |
| I so hope he comes back though. I mean who knows in FF, he might not really be dead...or maybe I'm just hoping beyond all hope cuz I think he's tons hotter than the actual main character (Vaan) and if he's truly gone this early, no one shall be spared from my broken-hearted fangirl rage, no one!! |
*might just join you in teh fangirl rage* :monster:
He doesn't have to be revived to return, though. I think it would be really cool if we learnt about Sir Knight through flashbacks and multiple POVs too-- such as from Ashe and from Vaan. So even though he died in the beginning, his character still "grows" as the story progresses and we see more and more of his relationship with both characters.
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| To tell you the truth I'm quite tired with the cliches that Square has been depending on, particularly with their female characters. I mean, every game has a slight twist but for the most part they're always doing the same thing. FF12 already has therequisite perky jail bait character. It'll be nice that they change it around for the main heroine. |
Yes, I'm tired of the 'rinse & repeat' tactics SE uses for their FF heroines too, hence my wish for something different this time around. Such as, it would be nice if the main female was the reserved warrior type instead of it always being a secondary female character.
Especially since Ashe is a princess, and would be expected to have a certain grace and dignity to her bearing. I would like to see a princess act that way, taking pride in her standing and her kingdom, without making it appear like her inner tomboy is being zomg-old-fashioned!repressed and dying to break out. :rolleyes:
While the love story isn't my main concern, I would like something different from main/main pairings this time around too. It would just be a nice change, to see how SE handles other types of relationships between men and women.
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| Oh and in terms of who loves who, we can't be sure that Ashe and Vaan will be in love! Because I heard that in an interview they said that Ashe and Vaan will probably fall in love, but not necessarily with each other. I'm thinking another love triangle might be set up, but who knows...? |
A love triangle with... Penelo? :lol:
Well, that's interesting news! I'll wait until I play the game (or get completely spoiled :hide: ) before getting my hopes up, but at least the creators sound aware of other possible romances in a game.
Real_Emotion - March 17, 2006 09:30 PM (GMT)
:woot: It was amazing! I can't believe it's already out now in Japan?! I was shocked to find out that it was just released. I guess with the excitement over KH2 and the FFVII spin-offs, FFXII has been a bit over looked. But, with the release of FFXII in Japan, that means we only have to wait a few more months for the NA or International version. I'm dieing to get my hands on a new ORIGINAL final fantasy game. *sigh* FINALLY!
| QUOTE (Lynn) |
| I'm loving that he and Ashe also appear to be really in love. |
| QUOTE |
| He doesn't have to be revived to return, though. I think it would be really cool if we learnt about Sir Knight through flashbacks and multiple POVs too-- such as from Ashe and from Vaan. So even though he died in the beginning, his character still "grows" as the story progresses and we see more and more of his relationship with both characters. |
I would LOVE to see that! :wub: I like how the whole marriage between Ashe and Lord Rasler(that's his name, BTW) is so enigmatic. We don't if they were truely in love or if this was even an arranged marriage or a marriage that was born out of love. I'd love it if SE were to go the route you described, Lynn. To show few flashback sequences from Ashe's POV of her relationship with Lord Rasler from beginning, middle, to end.
Ah! I seem to be becoming an Ashe&Rasler fangirl and the game has yet to be release in the US. :lol:
| QUOTE (Lynn) |
| QUOTE | | To tell you the truth I'm quite tired with the cliches that Square has been depending on, particularly with their female characters. I mean, every game has a slight twist but for the most part they're always doing the same thing. FF12 already has therequisite perky jail bait character. It'll be nice that they change it around for the main heroine. |
Yes, I'm tired of the 'rinse & repeat' tactics SE uses for their FF heroines too, hence my wish for something different this time around. Such as, it would be nice if the main female was the reserved warrior type instead of it always being a secondary female character. |
I'm not opposed to the 'normal' formulas being reused. I mean, hey, if it works- it works. But, I agree that I would really appreciate FFXII more if they were to stagger from the usual final fantasy cliches. Which is why I squealed with joy when I saw Ashe, the main female, with a sword. Usually, the main female is some kind of mage or has some affinity with magic. Ashe appears to be different; where as she appears to be a strong willed leader of a resistance group, who just happens to be a real princess and can kick ass with her sword. Kinda reminds you of Rinoa a little bit but Ashe appears to be more capable and stronger(mentally and physically). If Ashe is like that, then I embrace her character with open arms. Yay for the warrior princess! :D
Be in mind that Ashe still fits the 'VIP' formula. So, even though the makers of FFXII may be wandering from the usual FF cliches and trying new things, they haven't wandered away too far. ;)
| QUOTE (nyrin) |
| FF12 already has therequisite perky jail bait character. |
I have a feeling that Penelo my be different from the usual hyperactive young ladies cliche. Just like how Ashe seems to be different from her previous FF counterparts. From the way she is described, she almost reminds me of Aeris or maybe FFX!Yuna.
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Penelo A girl who wants peace.
Penelo is a 16 year old hume who lives near her close friend, Vaan in Rabanastre of Dalamasca. She lost her family in a previous war and works happily at the bazaar. Her philosophy is "As long as you never give up, things will get better down the road." Penelo loves to sing and dance. She learned martial arts from her older brother, who used to be a knight. Her dancing style is similar to martial arts.
Personality: Penelo is a friendly young person who wants peace for Dalmasca. She isn't afraid to speak her mind, and is strong-willed. |
On the Vaan and Ashe thing...
| QUOTE (Lynn) |
| QUOTE (nyrin) | | Oh and in terms of who loves who, we can't be sure that Ashe and Vaan will be in love! Because I heard that in an interview they said that Ashe and Vaan will probably fall in love, but not necessarily with each other. I'm thinking another love triangle might be set up, but who knows...? |
A love triangle with... Penelo? :lol:
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Lookie what RE has found!
-Possible Spoilers-**spoiler**
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/4Ev...4/Pen_Vaan1.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/4Ev...4/Pen_Vaan2.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/4Ev...4/Pen_Vaan3.png
AND....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbzOoOYdbH0...20fantasy%20xii
I remember an interview stating the love story will be different from the previous FFs. It looks like it may be. Notice in the video they show Vaan and Penelo together then a seperate scene with Ashe and what looks like to be a flashback of Lord Rasler.
Maybe the romances are the beginning of a budding relationship with Vaan&Penelo and the tragic love story of Ashe&Rasler? *shrugs* We'll have to wait and see, I guess.**/spoiler** :hide: *runs away to play her SH3:ANW*
FF_Goddess - March 18, 2006 01:21 AM (GMT)
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| I was referring to when Cloud laid Aerith to rest in the lake-- since it was an FMV, if they had wanted to show Cloud crying then, they probably would've been able to. I don't think MotP mentioned anything about him crying during that scene. |
No, but it did clarify his emotional breakdown, which is what I was referring to. For example:
"She watched Cloud's face which looked as if his heart was going to fall apart from the sadness of losing her, the anger and hate he had for her being taken from him."
"But a cry came through to her. It wasn't the sound of her cry. If it was then she would have felt the blood gushing up through her throat and the fury that forced its way out from the depths of her soul- It was the sound of Cloud's heart cracking. It was the cry of his heart that could never be healed of the grief he had towards Aerith's death, the blame towards himself and the hatred he had for Sephiroth."
If Cloud can show this much emotion, I fail to see why Ashe can't. She has always been shown with a little smile on her face in all of the scans. Cloud was always shown frowning. I honestly think Basch will be the strong silent type in this one (much in the way of Cloud, Squall, and Auron). And Fran will be the ass-kicker. :lmao:
Honestly, I didn't see much emotion between Ashe and Rasler (sp?). :ermm: They appeared somewhat happy to be married, but their kiss was completely flat and passionless. Ashe appeared concerned when she knew he was leaving, but not overly concerned. And he just looked at her with no expression on his face and turned away without saying a word. Then, Ashe appeared saddened at the funeral scene, but she didn't appear to be in any tremendous emotional pain. I just don't think they were in love. I think they cared for each other and that is about it. -_-
I'm sorry, but VaanxPenelo and AshexRasler just seems boring as hell to me. :yawn: I really hope they stick with the mainxmain pairing system. My favorite dramatic moments in the FF series were those great rescue scenes where the hero saves his love. Like Cloud rescuing Aerith in the Shinra building, Squall rescuing Rinoa from the Sorceress Memorial, Zidane rescuing Garnet from Alexandria, and Tidus rescuing Yuna from her forced wedding to Seymour. How exciting would these moments have been if there had been no romance involved? How exciting would these moments have been if Squall had ran into the Sorceress Memorial, shouting, "I can't let you go, best buddy!" :lmao: I really hope they put Vaan and Ashe in a romantic relationship. I am all for the FF cliches! :lol:
nyrin - March 18, 2006 01:40 AM (GMT)
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| My favorite dramatic moments in the FF series were those great rescue scenes where the hero saves his love. Like Cloud rescuing Aerith in the Shinra building, Squall rescuing Rinoa from the Sorceress Memorial, Zidane rescuing Garnet from Alexandria, and Tidus rescuing Yuna from her forced wedding to Seymour. How exciting would these moments have been if there had been no romance involved? How exciting would these moments have been if Squall had ran into the Sorceress Memorial, shouting, "I can't let you go, best buddy!" I really hope they put Vaan and Ashe in a romantic relationship. I am all for the FF cliches! |
Cliches can work, definitely. I mean, AerithxCloud was a bit of a cliche wasn't it? *ducks rotten fruit* Still I love the pairing, obviously. For the previous pairings you mentioned, the whole 'hero saves his love' thing worked, and it was cute. But I don't know if it would work here. All those females you mentioned were physically weak, weren't they? The mages of the story. So it made sense when the hero came busting in to save them, and it was romantic. I don't see Ashe in the same vein as Aerith, Rinoa, etc, specially with the whole warrior princess thing going on. It might be a bit of a disappointment (in my very humble opinion) to see her relegated to the damsel. I mean again, it worked for the others, it made sense for them considering their battle stats, strengths and weaknesses. For Ashe it wold just seem like they were overly trying to force her into that damsel role, even though she was designed to be the contrary...
Though that doesn't mean I don't want a mainxmain pairing. That might turn out to be really interesting actually! (and to tell you the truth, I'm not into VanxPenelo as of yet). But if they do Vaan x Ashe, I don't think they'll be able to do it in the same way as the other characters in the past, just by virtue of their personalities, roles, etc.
I don't know if that made sense. I'll just shut up now :whistle:
yin-chan - March 18, 2006 02:11 AM (GMT)
AUGH I CAN'T READ THIS THREAD. SUCH ANGUISH. *runs away weeping*
From what I've seen, (and that's not much :razz: ) I'm not a very big fan of Ashe. Maybe I'll like her more once I play the game and unearth her character - but for now she just seems very.... errr.... cliche? Reminds me a lot of Garnet, actually. :sweat:
*dodges tomatoes from Ashe fans*
Real_Emotion - March 18, 2006 04:07 AM (GMT)
I wouldn't mind if the couple happened to be Vaan&Ashe or Vaan&Penelo. I'm not a fan of either right now. The only pairing that actually catches my eye is the relationship between Ashe and Rasler(and Balthier and Fran! xD). Mainly because it's so mysterious. *continues to lurk in FFXII.net forums*
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| I don't see Ashe in the same vein as Aerith, Rinoa, etc, specially with the whole warrior princess thing going on. It might be a bit of a disappointment (in my very humble opinion) to see her relegated to the damsel. I mean again, it worked for the others, it made sense for them considering their battle stats, strengths and weaknesses. For Ashe it wold just seem like they were overly trying to force her into that damsel role, even though she was designed to be the contrary... |
I agree. I have trouble seeing Ashe in the same light as Aeris, Rinoa, Garnet, and Yuna. She almost seems like the 'anti-damsel-in-distress'. Hmm... maybe it's the sword. :P I'm not saying that the previous FF heriones were total D.i.D(maybe with the exception of Rinoa...lol). Of course, I do think Ashe will have her occasional 'plz-rescue-me' moments. I mean, what's a fantasy game without having to rescue a princess? But, Ashe looks to be the type that can handle her own in a battle. And if you've ever played the demo... Ashe kicks ass. I rarely ever had to switch between her, Balthier, and Fran; except for healing purposes and the boss fight.
I also kinda picture her to be kinda stubborn when it comes to asking for help. She is described as headstrong. ;) Ah, I'm getting too excited, but I can't wait to explore more of Ashe's characteristics when the game comes to the US. She's just so freakin' interesting. >_0
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| 'm sorry, but VaanxPenelo and AshexRasler just seems boring as hell to me. yawn.gif I really hope they stick with the mainxmain pairing system. My favorite dramatic moments in the FF series were those great rescue scenes where the hero saves his love. |
I can see how you may dislike the possiblity of the Vaan&Penelo pairing. To be honest, I usually never like the best friend&best friend type of pairings. I always found them boring and predictable. Which is why I hate those Disney sitcom romances. They uses the same formula over and over and over- so predictable. :mellow:
If SE decides to keep the hero&heroine type of pairings, I wouldn't be opposed to it. That 'cliche' has always worked for it's previous titles so I don't see why they would give it up now. But, I do agree with nyrin that if the pairing is Vaan&Ashe, their romance would probably be somewhat different from the previous pairings in SE's past titles. The closest I could compare them to would be Zidane&Garent, based only on thier roles though(the thief&the princess).
Anti-R - March 18, 2006 05:12 AM (GMT)
Hot guy's name is Rasler.
Really? I see Ashe and Rasler happy with each other (especially in the carriage I swear the look they share was so hot it was burning). You could see Ashe staring deeply at her soon to be husband (both of them even had a shy little smile too while they're at it), and you could almost see pride in her face when her father bestowed his sword to him.
So at the end, when I see Ashe on her knees like that... it was so friggin sad. T.T
Ashe is a quiet and serious character for me... based from the trailers she's in. So I wasn't surprised by her reaction at all.
*sorry I'm really into Princesses and Kinghts* ^.^
Oh, and throws a big ripe one at yin-chan. :P
Lynn - March 18, 2006 09:08 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FF_Goddess) |
| I just don't think they were in love. I think they cared for each other and that is about it. |
I suppose we'll have to put this down to different interpretations of the characters' expressions for now, since I interpreted all those scenes between Ashe and Rasler completely differently (Anti-R describes what I saw between them spot-on).
Only time and game spoilers will tell. ;)
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| How exciting would these moments have been if Squall had ran into the Sorceress Memorial, shouting, "I can't let you go, best buddy!" |
:lol: This is where we deviate. I don't think a game needs to have a romantic rescue mission to make it exciting at all. The fact that SE seems to make romance a main point within all FFs since FFVIII has actually annoyed me a bit. There are other types of relationships in the world, too. Always having romance become the central plot encourages views that the FF games are all clones of each other.
I think a rescue mission (or a game) showing solid, true friendship can be just as intense. As far as I can recall, FF Tactics/Suikoden didn't have any romance for the main character, but the plot was involving and dramatic from beginning to end.
| QUOTE (nyrin) |
| Cliches can work, definitely. I mean, AerithxCloud was a bit of a cliche wasn't it? *ducks rotten fruit* |
:lol: Yes, they are a bit of a cliche. So is the Cloti childhood-friends-type of romance, and a lot of other romances, really.
I agree that relegating Ashe to a DID role would seem rather inappropriate. I'd noticed the sword too, and unless it was there purely for decorative purposes (which would suck to so many degrees), the idea of Ashe being helplessly kidnapped doesn't really fit... I guess it'll depend very heavily on how it happened, though. Sometimes you'll get in trouble no matter how tough you are. :lol:
And I'm also sure we'll get a rescue mission somewhere. It would be very cool if the typical rescue mission gets a twist thrown into it-- role-reversal, perhaps? Or even just Ashe being able to break out and escape on her own, and meeting up with the rescue party halfway.
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| Though that doesn't mean I don't want a mainxmain pairing. That might turn out to be really interesting actually! (and to tell you the truth, I'm not into VanxPenelo as of yet). But if they do Vaan x Ashe, I don't think they'll be able to do it in the same way as the other characters in the past, just by virtue of their personalities, roles, etc. |
If they go the Vaan/Ashe route (and I admit there's a very strong possibility they might), then I also hope SE builds it differently from how they handled the previous FF romances. How? I've no idea. I just want something different, and if SE can't give me a platonic relationship between the leading male and female, they'd better give me something else. :P
And I'm not really into Vaan/Penelo myself. Penelo's design hasn't grown on me yet, and I haven't gotten rid of the urge since the early days to scream at Vaan to put on a shirt. :lol:
| QUOTE (Real Emotion) |
| I would LOVE to see that! I like how the whole marriage between Ashe and Lord Rasler(that's his name, BTW) is so enigmatic. We don't if they were truely in love or if this was even an arranged marriage or a marriage that was born out of love. I'd love it if SE were to go the route you described, Lynn. To show few flashback sequences from Ashe's POV of her relationship with Lord Rasler from beginning, middle, to end. |
Oh yay, one supporter! I would send our two-man petition for this, but the game's already out. :lol:
I think that would be a very nice way to build up Rasler, without having to revive him. Even though he died, he still has a past, and that past shouldn't be left untold. I'd be very disappointed if they simply dropped him off the face of the earth (although from the video you posted, that doesn't look to be the case :woot: And you have to consider his relationship with the two leading characters too).
I agree that his marriage to Ashe and current mystery of their relationship is also what's making me very interested in the pairing. ^_^
~Fury Brand~ - March 18, 2006 09:22 AM (GMT)
What was said about Penelo being like Aerith/Yuna, I agree :lol: She reminds me of Selphie too *^_^* They are all optimisitic gals :lol: And strong will, determined and looking to the future, that's Aerith all over.
As for all the discussion on Ashe being a warrior gal, that reminds me of Celes and Terra, so maybe the love story will be like FFVI's :)
For relationships though I prefer Van X Penelo (probably because I'm having personal experience of the friend X friend working right now xD) though I don't know about the Lord X Ashe. I mean he looks like a swell guy and all but I really don't know enough about him to judge yet. I don't think he's a bad guy though. But then maybe I'm in for a shock :ninja:
Andina - March 18, 2006 10:43 AM (GMT)
Very lovely opening movie. While in real life war is a horrible thing, but it can be such a strong motivation in games like Final Fantasy.
Ending the opening with a funeral, just perfect. Those that know me know how I absolutely love sad games where emotions are high and there is nothing I love more than a game that can bring a tear to my eye. I have high hopes for for this Final Fantasy. :D
Anti-R - March 18, 2006 04:12 PM (GMT)
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There's no reason why you can't have two in the game (if I'm assuming that Fran - the bunny girl - is also one).
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*cough Cloud and Vincent being the angsters of the same group cough*
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| As for all the discussion on Ashe being a warrior gal, that reminds me of Celes and Terra, so maybe the love story will be like FFVI's |
Well, even though Terra and Celes wields swords and shields and flails, their strongest point is magic.
Ashe doesn't seem to be a magic user type of girl...
FF_Goddess - March 19, 2006 09:24 PM (GMT)
*Pouts* Well, I just read the ending... I must say, I am losing interest in this game pretty fast. :yawn:
Real_Emotion - March 19, 2006 10:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FF_Goddess @ Mar 19 2006, 04:24 PM) |
| *Pouts* Well, I just read the ending... I must say, I am losing interest in this game pretty fast. :yawn: |
*gasp* EXPLAIN YOURSELF!! :o
I just watched the ending on youtube. Since I don't understand one lick of Japenese, I was absolutely lost. :lol: What have you read about the ending, FF_G?
FF_Goddess - March 19, 2006 11:15 PM (GMT)
**SPOILERS** God, it's lame what they do with the romances. Vaan and Penelo are together, but he leaves her at the end to go do his own thing. Vaan and Ashe are friends only (this BLOWS) and they both grieve together (he for his brother and she for Rasler). Ashe develops a thing for (of all people) Balthier, who is with Fran. At the end, everyone goes their own way with Penelo waiting for Vaan to return. It almost appears as if Fran died, but Balthier is shown holding a baby (he and Fran's?). Basically, there is no decent romance in this game at all. I am really disappointed. Even though the main focus was not a love story, I really expected something worthwhile. However, it all seems incredibly lame to me. I have really lost interest in this game now.**END SPOILERS**
Real_Emotion - March 20, 2006 12:09 AM (GMT)
:shock: Wow... when they said the romances were going to be different, they sure as hell weren't kidding. This is very different from the previous FF games.
*hugs FF_G* It's ok. Even if the romances aren't to your liking, maybe the way they are told and unfolded may change your mind.
***spoilers***
Even though Ashe and Vaan don't get together... remember, there's always fanfiction. :plot:
FF_Goddess - March 20, 2006 12:12 AM (GMT)
*Sighs* Yeah, maybe playing the game will change my mind... :pout: I guess there is always FFXIII to look forward to.....
nyrin - March 20, 2006 10:14 AM (GMT)
No wai FF_G!! How can you spoil yourself on the ending!! Oh well. I'm not gonna even touch the story line until it comes out here in NA. In fact, from now on, I'm not even gonna go past the opening fmv.
Speaking of which, I downloaded a VERY high res. version of the opening yesterday and decided to upload it onto ysi. It is here:
http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UZBNWZ...E60G4Q0C0KX5K43So you can take a look at that guys if you want (especially if you want to have it on your hard drive rather than having to go to youtube all the time and waiting for it to load, etc).
Now that it's in high res, I've noticed a few things
1) I think the look that Ashe and Rasler gave each other on the float thing was more natural than i originally thought. Ashe's smile in particular seems geniune, which makes the ending feel even more sad :(
2) RASLER IS TEH HAWT!!!111!elevently1334!!! :fangirl: Rasler in High Def is just love. The way he was smiling at the crowd *dies*
3) During the scene at the end, Ashe actually cries. I don't know about you guys but I didn't notice that before. I thought she was just looking on sadly. But here you can see tears (or rather a tear - single tear, ooh dramatic Squeenix :P) fall down her face and you can see the greif in her face.
Anyway, enjoy friends :) I'll update the post to include the ysi link
Lynn - March 20, 2006 10:27 AM (GMT)
:hyper: A hi-res version of the opening?! :hyper: Too awesome. *DOWNLOADS NOW*
Thank you very much for uploading it, nyrin! :huggle:
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Did I say I wouldn't return?
........ *sigh* I hate you, willpower.
Lady_leBLanc - March 20, 2006 06:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FF_Goddess @ Mar 19 2006, 11:15 PM) |
| **SPOILERS** God, it's lame what they do with the romances. Vaan and Penelo are together, but he leaves her at the end to go do his own thing. Vaan and Ashe are friends only (this BLOWS) and they both grieve together (he for his brother and she for Rasler). Ashe develops a thing for (of all people) Balthier, who is with Fran. At the end, everyone goes their own way with Penelo waiting for Vaan to return. It almost appears as if Fran died, but Balthier is shown holding a baby (he and Fran's?). Basically, there is no decent romance in this game at all. I am really disappointed. Even though the main focus was not a love story, I really expected something worthwhile. However, it all seems incredibly lame to me. I have really lost interest in this game now.**END SPOILERS** |
I feel completly the same :huggle: , but that doesnt means that I dont like FF12, I will play it for its fantastic graphics and borad system..... :D
FF_Goddess - March 20, 2006 08:24 PM (GMT)
Yeah, I am still going to play it (of course)! However, I have lost all hope for any decent romances out of this game. Even when the main theme wasn't love, like in FFVII, we still had the tragic love story of Cloud and Aerith. So far, the only couple in this game that appeals to me is BalthierxFran. I really hope that changes... I want to like the other couples, but they seem so damn boring right now. :yawn:
Lynn - March 20, 2006 08:35 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (nyrin @ Mar 20 2006, 10:14 AM) |
1) I think the look that Ashe and Rasler gave each other on the float thing was more natural than i originally thought. Ashe's smile in particular seems geniune, which makes the ending feel even more sad :( 2) RASLER IS TEH HAWT!!!111!elevently1334!!! :fangirl: Rasler in High Def is just love. The way he was smiling at the crowd *dies* 3) During the scene at the end, Ashe actually cries. I don't know about you guys but I didn't notice that before. I thought she was just looking on sadly. But here you can see tears (or rather a tear - single tear, ooh dramatic Squeenix :P) fall down her face and you can see the greif in her face.
Anyway, enjoy friends :) I'll update the post to include the ysi link |
Okay, finally watched the video (nearly had a heart attack when the download timed out halfway through) and some comments:
1) Oh yes, yes! I couldn't really tell in the YouTube version before, but she does look really happy during the wedding. And I'm not meaning facade-like-could-be-sad-inside!happy like I'd originally thought, but really like a beaming, dignified bride. No more doubts, basically. I thought the way she leaned forward a bit to survey the crowds gathered was so cute, really helped show that she wasn't there against her will.
Of course, seeing as how I'm not entirely sure how Ashe turns out at the end (although I have a good idea), I could be shooting myself in the foot with this.
2) :drool: ... :drool: Died so young, Rasler, and while looking so hot. Such a waste!
3) I didn't notice it in the YouTube version either, but yeah, that was definitely a tear there. Nothing more to say except-- :cray: And +5 drama points for Squeenix with the whole lone tear thing.
If you happen to find other hi-res videos from the game, nyrin, do post them! Even if I won't watch them yet, the I want to collect these things before the links expire. :lol:
nyrin - March 20, 2006 08:51 PM (GMT)
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| 2) ... Died so young, Rasler, and while looking so hot. Such a waste! |
*cries* he's not dead! I swear...he'll come back...I'm not delusional...
Oh well.
And ya, Lynn, if I find more awesome high res videos, I'll post them :) But I'm gonna have to check first whether they have spoilers, because I'm really working hard to make sure I don't spoil myself for this game (like I did for KH2 :cry:).
And about the romances...well, I'm sure whatever square comes up with, they'll...try to make it work. Even if it isn't mainXmain, who knows we all might be surprised by the cuteness of the couples they do endorse! I'm all for trying something different. Especially since I'm not planning on getting to emotionally invested in the coupling of this game (like I did for *cough* FF7 *cough*). If it fails though, there's always fanfic, right? Just look at the HermionexHarry shippers...
Lynx - March 20, 2006 09:15 PM (GMT)
When I first saw a magazine in our shop with the magic letters "Final Fantasy" on it I bought it without even thinking. There was a huge article about FFXII with a disk where two videos on it were. So, here go my impressions.
1. Lord Rasler is my LOVE :drool: . When I saw him on a little pic in the magazine with his back on it I was kinda "Wha..?!" and then I pretty much wanted to see his face. And what I actually saw was incredible :lust:
2. The whole Opening Movie was too much for me, 'cause recently I've got used to see FFVII movies as it is the only FF now avaible on my PC. Graphics is amazing. B) I wasn't expecting that much.
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Nice work, Lynx. Posting your comments on Rasler before your comments on the whole movie :rolleyes:
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3. Erm... The main hero, right :D . Well, in the movie his was very cute so I hope his character is nice too. Although I'm not tired with the moody guys :P
So, as soon as it becomes avaible, I'll buy it. I like the games with good graphics. Especially when it's Final Fantasy B)
Key - March 20, 2006 09:20 PM (GMT)
My jaw nearly dropped to the floor when I saw the intro FMV to FFXII. It looks bloody amazing. The smoothest opening FMV I think I've ever seen (in recent memory... possibly ever), bar none.
And about Rasler, such a waste, ne. v.v I thought for the longest time that his name was Reks though (and that someone else was Rasler--the guy with the scar, I think).
And about the romance, I personally like it that way and was hoping it would be from the start. d:
Aerith_kun - March 20, 2006 10:01 PM (GMT)
Wow... just... WOW
Thanks for all the videos! :woot: It definitely has increased my interest in FFXII (and Rasler... is... is... I have no words :drool: )...
And about the couples... Well, I have imagined something like this, and I think I like AshexRasler (or Raslersxanyone...or Raslerxme), sooo :P
I have visited Gamefaqs board and I have found something confusing about the couples in the ending :unsure:
****MAJOR SPOILERS****
Some people is saying the baby who is embracing Balflear at the credits is... Balflear O_o... Yeah, and the man is a younger Cid, with the young Vieras being in fact a younger Fran with her sisters... Can anybody explain this?? Because I like the idea of BalflearxFran (and them having a child ^^)...
****END MAJOR SPOILERS****
Andina - March 20, 2006 10:09 PM (GMT)
Watch the spoilers, people. Make sure you mark them well. I edited the thread title somewhat but still be careful, let's not spoil this game for those who wish to play it without knowing anything important. :)
nyrin - March 20, 2006 10:32 PM (GMT)
lol thanks Andina. I'm kinda worried about all these spoilers - I want to read what everybody thinks about the opening but I seriously don't want to know anything important that happens in the game! So ya, ppl be more careful :P
On a different note, does anyone else wish they used the old school moogles rather than the ones in the fmv? Those are cute, but the really old school moogles are just love.
click here - for those who don't know what they looked like in older FFs
I guses there isn't much of a difference, but the ones in FF12 seem ... pointer...
*sigh* back to writing my essay :(
Real_Emotion - March 21, 2006 12:36 AM (GMT)
:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: HIGH-REZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!! XD Thank you, nyrin! :huggle:
I'm a total Ashe&Rasler supporter now! :fangirl: From the (high-rezzzieeee)expression on their faces, the way they gazed at each other during the parade and the wedding, they look truely happy and in love. :wub: I especially ADORE the look on Rasler's face when he looks at her during the parade ride and the way Ashe looks at him back. So cute! :hyper: And, Ashe's wedding dress is gorgeous!!
I also noticed before Rasler addresses the crowd, he looks over at Ashe briefly, as if checking her reaction. She looked sorta sad and worried, but accepting that Rasler has to protect their kingdom. So bittersweet, since we already know what happens to poor Rasler. :cry:
The funeral scene is so heartbreaking! I didn't even notice the tear on the youtube version. :sad: Ashe's expression is so sad. Her eyes are all misty and everything! I think the tears and her falling to her knees were very expressive and sends a powerful message to the gamer.
I really do love Ashe&Rasler now! :wub: Their romance seems so tragic. And, ya know what? I love tragic romances!