One ridiculous thing I keep hearing is that Aerith will tell Cloud to move on to be with Tifa in Advent Children. In general, the Cloti's have a hard time distinguishing between what they want to happen and what is likely to happen - this is a good example of it. In the first place, Cloud is dying from Geostigma. Why would Aerith tell Cloud to move on when he's dying?

Their response is that Aerith healed Cloud when she touched his arm. When did a spirit's touch ever heal anyone in FFVII? How do we know that can even happen? If Aerith did heal Cloud, wouldn't he feel even MORE guilty that she gave him life when he wasn't able to save hers?

Say that Cloud does heal from Geostigma somehow - where has there ever been any indication that Cloud WANTS to move on? Even in AC, Tifa says this to Cloud in the Venice Film Festival premier: "You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???" Doesn't that imply that even Tifa knows very well that Cloud is more interested in dying to be with Aerith than living a life with Tifa?

There's one line in FFVII that the Cloti's take to mean that Cloud is ready to move on, which is this line from the morning after the Night under the Highwind scene:

Cloud "We've got to let go of Aerith's memory."

Wilhelm has looked at the original Japanese script and has verified for us that Cloud is really speaking about freeing Aerith from Sephiroth's control, not letting go of Aerith's memory. Besides, it's quite obvious by now that Cloud has NOT forgotten Aerith. Even Square has said that Aerith still lives in Cloud's heart, so he has obviously not let go of her memory. There's been no indication whatsoever that Cloud is ready to move on. I think it's just more wishful thinking by the Cloti's.

Well in their defense I have to say that perhaps they believe that there is or will be a cure for it (like that Aerith curing him thing you just mentioned)? And then after he is cured Cloud could start a new life and leave everything that belongs to the past behind. That's not what I think, I'm just trying to see it from their point of view. :rolleyes:

Mmm, if someone would say to me that "I think I wish to die rather than continue my life with you as there is a chance that in death I could reunite with my old girl/boyfriend." I think I would give up at that point. :lol:
But it does seem that Tifa understands Cloud more or less. She might not like the idea that Cloud could possibly kill himself in order to be with Aerith, but she does understand (more or less) how desperate Cloud is to reunite with the woman he so loves.

I have never seen this line in any of the other trailers. The CloTis deny that this line is true evidence that Cloud wishes to die to be with Aerith because it was only shown in one translation. What do you guys think of this?

Oh, yes it has been in other trailers... although not spoken exactly that way. The third sentence was in the Jump Festa trailer last year, but it was mistranslated. People originally thought that the line was Aerith asking, "Is the way I died a good way?". Later, the translation was corrected to say this:

Woman's voice: The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think?"

Coral also said this happened in the Paris Film Festival, too:

Later Tifa says: " You're resigned. You want to die?"
No answer from Cloud.
"I knew it." she says.

So no, it hasn't been said in exactly the same way... but it was said in the Venice Film Festival trailer. Why should one trailer be considered more official than another?

Well nothing would surprise me anymore. :lol:
But we all know that as long as it comes straight from Square then no matter what it is it's as official as it possibly could be.

Their justification with it being in only one trailer was that maybe it was mistranslated, or a lie. However, the same thing being said in the most recent trailer just PROVES it.
But they'll find SOME way to wriggle out of it!

I dunno why, but I feel so sorry for Cloud. Weird to feel sorry for some pixels. :lol: But Cloud is going through so much pain. After finding the woman he WANTS to die for only to be told to "move on" with another girl, I wouldn't blame him if he instantly threw that reasoning aside and told her how he really felt and how long and hard he has tried to look for her again. If it were me, I would almost consider that an insult.

"Go love Tifa, Cloud"
"Oh ok! I just spent the last two years mourning for you, living for your sake, being alone (and searching for you in multiple games). No big deal! I love Tifa now!"

That seems to be a huge cop out and Square isn't the type to do that when it comes to story, at least in FFVII's case.

Also, I doubt Tifa would just settle for runner up. Tifa would only want Cloud if Cloud was in love with only her. She would know that deep down, Cloud would be wishing that she was Aeris and I don't think any woman with morals would accept that type of relationship.

"Love" seems to have a different meaning to many people here. But when it comes to "True Love", there is no such thing as "moving on". You love that person and it stays that way forever. That is what soulmates are. True love that unites two people even beyond death. Because that is how strong that love is.

So yeah, I seriously doubt any "moving on" with Tifa will happen.

I couldn't have said that any better myself. :)

It's hard to imagine that at the end of the game, Cloud will change his mind and hold Tifa's hand, and walk into the sunset.

Cloud will never get over Aerith. I think Tifa is going to realize this, and set her sights on Vincent. Wait, he can't get over Lucrecia. How about Cid? No, Shera is still alive. Maybe Barrett. He does have a little baggage though, having a little daughter and all. Aww, poor Tifa, she can't find someone to replace Cloud. :(

Maybe Reno? there we go!

EXACTLY

The funny part of the Cloti reasoning is that they want Aerith to tell Cloud to move on when they ALSO claim that Cloud and Aerith were never in love in the first place. How can Cloud move on from something that never existed? If they want Aerith to tell Cloud to move on, then they are saying that Cloud and Aerith were in love. :lol:

And even if he did move on, that would make Tifa second best. I saw one Cloti with a sig showing Cloud facing Tifa while thinking, "I guess you'd make a pretty good substitute for Aerith". If you ask me, that's just agreeing with the Cleris people! :lol: If Tifa's nothing but a *substitute*, then Aerith is where Cloud's love truly is.

I agree with Cloud's Girl, though. I don't think that Square will "substitute" Aerith in Cloud's heart. True love can't be substituted, nor can it be replaced. A relationship with a "substitute" is nothing but cheap and meaningless. Why does Cloud want to die if he wants to be with Tifa? If Cloud was living a happy life with Tifa, wouldn't he be fighting to live rather than being resigned to die?

Yet another example of their double edged evidence :D

The other part of this is that IF Aerith were to heal Cloud, I think that Cloud would feel even more guilty that Aerith had given him life when he wasn't able to save hers. If he's feeling even MORE guilty, wouldn't that give him even LESS reason to move on?

EDIT:

It wasn't a mistranslation because someone who was at the Venice Film Festival and saw the official translation was the first to say that line was included in the Film Festival. I believe that line was also in the translated dialogue from the Venice Film Festival published on FF7Reunion so it wasn't a lie - check me on that, but I'm quite sure it was. There were three accounts of the Venice Film Festival published on different websites. Was that line in all three accounts of the Venice FF? If so, I doubt that all three accounts plus the translation of the dialogue from FFReunion could all be wrong.

Oooohhh, I guess I'd missed it being in the second one. My bad!

Okay, Tifa never said anything about "you want to meet her" otherwise, we would have heard it in the audio of the screening that was released at AC.net.
But based on the actualy translation, you may infer that Tifa was thinking to herself that Cloud may have greeted death because of Aeris.
But that's fine.
I don't think Aeris will ever say "Go get with Tifa and have lots of kids, forget about me."
Cloud will never forget about Aeris and even Tifa wouldn't want him to just forget about Aeris.
In the end, it's up to Cloud who he ends up with. Neither Tifa nor Aeris can force him in either direction. Moving on to me doesn't mean he ends up with Tifa at all.
I think there will be some breakthrough as far as the disease is concerned. Otherwise, we would have a movie in which not only the hero, but a whole bunch of innocent children just end up passing away. That would suck in my opinion. I may be among the minority but I hope Cloud survives.

Did it ever occur to you that different screenings may have been slightly different? Some dialogue has changed slightly in each presentation, and even some slight changes were made visually for each presentation. It seems to me that they showed different segments of different scenes. Also, the translation of the audio recording presented at AC.net was different from the dialogue shown in screenshots at Daeya.org - that's not because AC.net has bad translators, but because Japanese is very difficult to translate out of context. Don't be so sure that Tifa "never said" anything like that.

I agree with you on that - Cloud has to make up his own mind, and who says he has to end up with anyone at the end? I've always thought it much more likely that Square will leave it inconclusive, rather than pairing him up with anyone. Nomura has already said twice that he doesn't want to contradict the views of fans (once in reference to KH and once in reference to AC). I'd much rather it be resolved conclusively, but I doubt that it will be. No matter who they pair Cloud up with, millions of fans will be very angry and disappointed. Why would Square do that?

Don't say that Anastar.
At least let me hold onto my hopes and dreams until the movie comes and shatters them. :(

Well, I'd much rather it be left inconclusive than see a Cloti ending to it. :lol: I would love for it to end up Cleris, but will Square want to disappoint so many CloudxTifa, ZackxCloud, ZackxAerith, AerithxSephiroth, and YuffiexCloud fans? There's millions of fans out there who believe in a couple other than CloudxAerith, which is actually Square's own fault for making up the Love Triangle in the first place. They meant it to be fun, I'm sure - but it has resulted in all of these crazy wars. I hate it, and I'd love for it to be conclusively resolved, but it would ruin the whole game for me if he ended up with Tifa. For many Cloti fans, it will ruin the game for them if Cloud ends up with Aerith. Why would they do that to either side?

Well, even Coral said that the whole "you can meet her that way" was never mentioned and she saw the screener in France twice so... Also, I understand Japanese and those words were never said at all based on the audio, I listened to it several times. Translating Japanese can be tricky but never were the words "meet her" or anything close to that mentioned at all so there is no basis for mistranslating such a quote. I wasn't reallt talking about the Ac.net translations but even those agree 100% with the audio, they're very literal even. The Japanese transcript on FFAC Reunion also didn't feature any line about Cloud wanting to die to be with Aeris. I just don't think all those sources can be wrong, they're all saying the same thing so.. I doubt the re-recorded the dialogue with the Japanese voice actors between screenings. I mean, its not a big deal, is it really such a tragic thing if Tifa never said it?

Anyway. The entire compliation of FFVII will be pretty long so it may be the case that we will have to wait till after Advent Children to find out who he ends up with.

I still think that in a way or two, even little by little, Tifa's giving off some effort to move on and just support Cloud by becoming a friend to him. She's telling him things like "you think you can meet her that way?" and I treated it as some kind of sarcasm or reverse psychology, like what she's trying to say is, "You can't meet her that way! If you want to meet her again, you'd better fight!". It's like encouragement in her part, because I think she doesn't want Aerith to be disappointed on Cloud; because after she died, he was the one who continued the fight.

But the point I was making was that how do we know that the audio for the Venice screening is exactly the same as the audio for the Montreal screening? After all, a visual sequence was changed from one film festival to another. The scene where Cloud touches the pink ribbon on his arm and Aerith says, ".... let's go... Cloud... " wasn't in the Venice screening, but it was in the Montreal screening. If part of the visuals were changed, how do you know that part of the audio wasn't changed, as well?

Plus, part of the line you said was never spoken was used in two other trailers - specifically, the trailer released at Jump Festa 2003 and the trailer released with FFX-2 International. Both of those trailers included this line spoken by a woman: "The way you die could be a good way. Is that what you think?". That is part of the words you say were never spoken.

Hum, maybe this sentence wasn´t said, but in two different japanese magazines were said the sentence "Meetin her again. It´s my dream" over a picture of Cloud and Aeris in the flower field and the other said that Cloud kept Aeris in his heart. Also "meet" is an important word to Cloud/Aeris relationship and Cloud said at the end of the game that he can meet her in the Promised Land... Who was "her"? His dog or what?? (some Clotis should think that ¬¬...)...
The case is that the film has 90 mins of length and SE has to answer a lot of questions in this time... I doubt that they can resolve the "Cloud xTifa" thing in a propicious way in this time... But they has to answer what is the Promised Land (well, it was an important thing in the game that they didn´t resolve...) and it´s bond with Aeris and Cloud, not Tifa and Cloud...
It´s only an assumption :rolleyes:

There's a few quotes flying around that haven't been in the trailers or a quote that was in one and not the other. This usually means to me that some editing went into play and these quotes should not be used as fact. It's fine to playfully speculate, but as far as looking at the quote "You think dying this way is a good way?" shouldn't be used as factual evidence because it's rather clear to me it hasn't been used in every trailer we've seen. So quite possibly Square edited the quote and took it out completely. You never know. Same with "To meet her, that is my dream" which to be fair, can be taken two different ways, nevermind is not being in the trailers at all. Either he literally dreamt of meeting her, or dreams of meeting in the sense of wanting to, and yearning to.

Despite my fandom and healthy devotion to Cloris, I really try to be fair and see both sides of the spectrum before making a solid judgement. I hope you all don't get too frustrated with my opinions :)

But my point was that the quote was used in two trailers as well as in one of the film festivals. My other point was that the film festivals themselves seem to have been edited from one to the other since a visual sequence as well as an auditory sequence were reported differently. It could be that permanent changes were made, but it could also be that Square made slight changes to each film festival in order to present some different material at each showing.

"My dream" is a phrase used when you yearn for something, is it not? It suggests something that you consider ideal, or a strongly desired goal or purpose in your life. Why would "meeting her for real" be something be so significant to Cloud? Plus, the statement is "Meeting her again. That is my dream." Doesn't meeting someone again mean that you have already met them once, which would contradict the meaning of "meeting her for real". I think the phrase has only one meaning. ;)

That happens to back my point of "should not be taken as fact". That's all I'm saying. I see your point clearly, but since consistency is totally lacking, it shouldn't really be looked at as fact. Square seems notorious for lacking consistency as well as being vague about certain situations, such as...

It can. But it can also mean, when talking about it in terms of actually 'dreaming', that it's still a dream, and anything can happen or come to pass in someones' subconscious. I'm not sure whether you misunderstood me or not, but what I was trying to say is to 'physically dream' is different than 'to yearn dream'. It also depends on the interpretation of 'meet'. Many have different interpretations of this word which is clear thoroughout just about every forum you go to which brings me back to Square being vague. To meet as in to see? To meet as in to touch? To meet as in to talk? "To meet" in this case can mean many things, by which we'll only know for sure when the film comes out. That's why I'm not looking at "To meet her again, that is my dream" as anything else but a cute quote to place upon a pretty screenshot or an unofficial translation. I'm fairly satisfied with what I've seen (aside from the lack of Aeris :( ) since all of it hasn't even been officially released to the public and am trying not to spoil my outlook on it by over-analyizing quotes I haven't heard said yet. Just personal preference.

I agree that nothing can be taken as fact yet. What I was arguing about was that someone said that these words of Tifa's were never said in a film festival: "You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???" because it was only reported as being in one film festival. I don't think we can be certain it was never said, especially since part of that statement was used in two other trailers.

But my point was that the phrase says, "That is my dream". When you say that something is my dream, it means that you desire it greatly and that it's very significant to you (a yearn dream, as you put it). That is very different from saying that you had a dream about something last night (a physical dream, as you put it). Since meeting her is so very significant, I only see the phrase as having one meaning. It wouldn't have much significance if all Cloud wanted to do is say, "Hi". :lol:

Is it official? If we doubt the veracity of that particular statement, then we should doubt all other information given in that same magazine about the SHM, about the Turks, about the WCM, about the orphans, etc, etc. Why should we only doubt the Cleris information given, but nothing else?

It all depends on the context it's used in when it's used, and we don't know either, if it's even used at all.

I think you took what I said completely out of context, and I never wished for that. The only thing I wish to disregard and question are certain quotes that aren't clear, inconsistent, or appear to be fan-used. We know the SHM are looking for 'Mother' as suggested in the trailers. We know there are orphans as suggested by those in interviews and the trailers themselves. To generalize "Cleris information" vs. general AC is hardly fair. But if you feel we should doubt it all, that's fine. I doubt quite a bit myself considering Square continues to work on the movie and could be changing more than we could ever know about.

But we're actually in more agreement than you seem to think, because my argument was that we can't know for sure that Tifa's words were never said. In the same light, we can not be sure that the magazine did not get "Meeting her again. That is my dream" from Square, since all of that magazine's other information about AC was correct along with AC screenshots that had never been published before. Square has been giving AC information to various magazines in Japan, which is obvious - how else would Dengeki, Jump, AC Monthly, Famitsu, etc, obtain screenshots of the movie before a trailer release? How else would these magazines obtain news about Geostigma, the SHM, the orphans, Sephiroth, etc, before release of the trailers? Those magazines clearly mark speculation, and there was no indication by the magazine that "Meeting her again. That is my dream" was speculation.

I'm not saying that it's definite. I'm saying there's every bit as much reason to believe the accuracy of it as there is reason to question it.

I think that Aerith won't tell Cloud to move on with Tifa... because neither Cloud nor Tifa would be happy in an intimate relationship between them. :D

It would be understandable for Aerith to tell Cloud to "move on with Tifa" if Cloud showed more than platonic love for Tifa... but he didn't. Aerith would know or at least have a clue on how Cloud feels for TIfa, right? So she won't say it if moving on with Tifa will make Cloud depressed.

And besides, I think Tifa's the one who's moved on already. Just in my opinion, she's already accepted the fact that Cloud will only look to her as a 'best friend,' and not as a girlfriend, a lover or whatever. I think she said all that "zuru zuru" stuff out of concern (and irritation) for Cloud, like a friend saying "What the hell are you doing to yourself?!" and not out of jealousy from Aerith.

............

Okay, so my rambling isn't founded on fact, but that's what I think. (shrugs) :ph43r:

zhakeena, I agree with you ^_^... Clotis fans only think on Cloud x Tifa and they getting together at the end of the film, but they don´t think on Cloud or Tifa happiness ¬¬ (well, maybe they ONLY think on Tifa´s happiness, and I´m talking in general...). My favourite character is Cloud, and I think on Cloud happiness. If I would have a demostration of Cloud being happy with Tifa, all good then. But I don´t have it, and I think now that the only form that Cloud has being happy is dying. And, if it happens (like I wait ^^uu), I wish that Tifa moves on. In my opinion Tifa can do it. She´s stronger than Cloud in this way, and I think that Tifa in AC is understanding some things...
It´s all, sorry for possible mistakes of my awful english U.U

Good points, Zhakeena. Why would Aerith tell Cloud to move on with Tifa if it wouldn't make him happy? Aerith wants Cloud to stop blaming himself, but do they really think that Aerith will say, "Cloud... I want you to forget about me"?

And I agree with you, Aerith kun - the Cloti's are just assuming that getting together with Tifa would make Cloud happy. It's almost like the Cloti's love Tifa, so they can't imagine anyone else not loving her - therefore, they think that Cloud must love her, too. That's like someone saying that Squall must be in love with Quistis because Quistis is a much better character in their opinion than Rinoa. It just doesn't work that way.

For another thing, do we even know that Square wants Cloud to be happy? They've *always* portrayed Cloud as a tragic character. Cloud was portrayed in Kingdom Hearts, FF Tactics, and in CoM as a tragic character who has lost something dear to him. Why would Square suddenly want to change Cloud's character to portray him as a happy-go-lucky guy with no cares in the world? I highly doubt that Square would change Cloud's characterization to such a degree.

Besides, if Aerith were to tell Cloud to move on, it's only an acknowledgement that Cloud was in love with her. How can Cloud move on from something that didn't exist? :rolleyes:

If Aerith tells Cloud anything, I think she'll tell him to stop blaming himself. What Cloud does with the rest of his life is not Aerith's choice - it's Cloud's choice.

We really don't know if 'moving on' with Tifa wouldn't make him happy. Strange things happen. But in the end, in my opinion, him moving on isn't such a bad thing. Think about it. Some of you even want Cloud to die to be with Aeris, but if he fights for his life, survives Geostigma, and rids the world of the current evil, wouldn't you think he's entitled to try to be happy in the living world? He was entitled to it before that, but he was further plagued by evils. He may only have one lifetime, so to end it so soon (23 years old. That's way too soon...) to be with someone who will always be there is kind of silly. It's not like she's going anywhere... I think he should move on, whatever moving on to him may be, and when he dies, Aeris will be there to...do whatever she does best ;)

Mmm, well, maybe Cloud would be happy with Tifa... But today, in present, Cloud would´t be happy with Tifa... If he was, then he would be with her in this 2 years, and not in this depressed state...

And like Anastar said, Cloud´s a tragic character, he being happy... mmm... I can´t see that, sorry O.o... Maybe he will be, but now I can´t see that... I would like he would die because I love tragic endings and I see it the most logical ending to AC... Cloud ending with Tifa, well, it could be, but it would be illogical, because if he wants to be with her and move on... Why didn´t he do it in this 2 years?? Only for guilty??? Nyaaa ^^UU...

Well, in Advent Children, Cloud clearly isn't happy. And he's spent these two years close by Tifa without making any move to change their relationship or move on. And it's been TWO YEARS. Things between them have had plenty of time to develop and change. In that time, I think he'd come to realise whether or not he could be happy with Tifa and whether or not he wanted to be with her. "Moving on" with Tifa doesn't seem to be the answer...

I honestly think that the best point the two could've gotten together is immedeately post-game. If it had to happen, I'd say that this would've been the best time for it. The pair go through so much life-altering drama, death-defying situations, and much soul-searching. They settle their past, face with the end of the world, and end up with a new future ahead of them in which so many new beginnings are possible. I think if Cloud and Tifa ever were to get together, that was their time. If he wanted to be with Tifa, he would be with her. Sure, neither of them may be ready for a romantic relationship after what they've been through, but since when has "not being ready" ever stopped anyone? If Cloud was ever going to see Tifa as more than a friend and embrace a new beginning and a new future with her, then that was the moment to do it. So in my opinion, seeing as they didn't get together at that point, then I don't think they ever will. I think that in AC they've settled into the roles of friends, and I just don't see the possibility of romance as there anymore, at least not as pressing as it was in the original game. If he isn't in love with Tifa by now, then I don't think the events of a 90-minute film are going to change that.

I'm with you on this, PassiveAggressive. :D Life is about living, and I really want Cloud to be happy. And I think embracing life is the only way to do that.

There are so many different ways to define "moving on". In my mind, it doesn't mean reducing his feelings for Aeris, or forgetting all about her. It's about not being consumed by the past (naturally, Aeris would encourage him to move on in this way). Learning not to dwell on the past is a form of moving on. Letting go of his guilt is also a form of moving on. I would like Cloud to move on by settling his past and coming to terms with the things that haunt him, as well as his grief, and learn to cherish life. But he can easily do this without having to get together with Tifa. Romance doesn't need to come into it. "Moving on" from his feelings for Aeris (or rather, coming to terms with her loss and not allowing it to keep him from truly living and finding happiness) doesn't need to involve falling in love with Tifa. He can move on and recover emotionally and get his life back together without needing to have a romantic relationship with anyone. And should he ever find love, it doesn't necessarily have to be with Tifa; it could be anyone. But he still doesn't have to be with anyone. He has a lot of issues to work through, remember. Being in a relationship with someone isn't an obligatory part of the process of "moving on".

I actually think it's very likely that he'd choose to remain single. As much as I want Cloud to move on and find happiness, I honestly don't think that he needs to do this through romance. He doesn't need to be in a relationship, and he may not even want that.

I wholeheartedly agree! I've seen a lot of people in many forums say that they want Cloud to die (and if anyone here agrees, then I'm honestly sorry if anything I'm about to say offends you) and I can't get behind this idea at all. That sort of ending would depress me so much! Now I love C/A for so many reasons, but I don't like the idea of the pairing demanding his death. I understand where a lot of people are coming from with this idea (that he deserves to be happy, and he can only be happy - or at least, be happiest - with Aeris, and this is the only way they can be together). So while I understand the ideas behind it, I can't help but dislike the idea that he can only be happy if he dies. It takes away all other options for him. Death = Happiness seems senseless to me. It erases all possibilities of finding happiness and a new lease for life on the Planet. Living has so much to offer! Cloud is a fighter, a survivour, despite facing the very worst, so it just seems so unfitting (to me, anyway). Poor Cloud went through a lot; death shouldn't be on his list. Despite everything, I believe he's gained so much inner-strength and wisdom (and I don't care whether or not he's just a bunch of pixels, I still admire him for it!). He conquered his past and his limitations. I think having him die would undo all that. Instead, he should be rewarded for all his achievements by being given happiness in life, in one way or another. The theme of the film is survival, after all. I don't think this applies to just surviving Geostigma but surviving his grief and guilt, and the longing for death.

Maybe I should start a new topic on this... :P

Edit: I just have started a new thread on the possibility of Cloud's death, so if you have anything you'd like to say on it (I hope so!), don't reply here, but instead go to this thread. Thanks! :D

The only reason why I somewhat disagree with the fact that Cloud and Tifa had ample time to be together is because it's so clear Cloud is unstable for many reasons, the key being guilty for another womans' death. People deal with their grief and turmoil in different ways, and to shack up with another girl is not Cloud's way of dealing with any of it. Aside from that, he's not one to jump head first into a relationship just based on his overall personality. I don't dislike CloTi as you can probably see from my posts, I even find it possible for him loving both ladies (Aeris being pick of the litter), but I don't really see it happening based on my own personal preference. However, looking at it from a different point of view I can understand why they may not have gotten together even if he did love her. Love isn't always black and white.

Very well said, Hyper-Ballad. I completely agree with you. :rolleyes: Moving on can mean many things, and I think Cloud is more likely to end up alone than end up with Tifa. If they were going to get together, they would have gotten together over the last two years. If they haven't done so already, I don't think they will.

What Cloud should do isn't our decision, anyway. It's Cloud's decision, and I don't think anyone should be deciding what he should do (besides the FFVII AC staff, of course). You can't decide who someone should love. You can't decide for someone else what will make them happy. You can't decide for someone else what will bring them peace. Cloud needs to do what is right for him, and no one else should be making that decision for him.

something interesting...in every ff, the main hero ends with a girl...

in ff6, locke in celes.

in ff8, squall and rinoa.

in ff9, zidane and garnet

in ff10, tidus and yuna ( i know thy dont end togueter biut in the seque yes)

and..in ff7.¡¡ what is this??? CLOUD ENDS..............ALONE!!!

O_O
why not tifa????

BECAUSE AERIS WAS THE ONE HE LOVED AND SHE DIED....¡¡¡¡ CLOTIS STOP THIS, YOU WILL SEE CLOUD AND AERIS ARE THE TRUE COUPLE!

And, about cloud in ac, i dont wnt him to die...i think it would be great if, in the end, we saw him, remeberenig aeris with an smile in his face, becaise he has theis :whistle: memories..

The main hero of FFVI also ends alone, Daga, because the central character of FFVI is Terra. Locke and Celes are only secondary characters - important ones (especially in Celes' case), but secondary nonetheless. And there's not even a definite LockexCeles getogether, as Locke still seems to be very hung-up over Rachel, and he's just beginning to let go and get over her. However, it is the only strong romance in the game (and is very adorable).

However, Terra's story does revolve around love; just in a different way. Throughout the earlier stages of the game, Terra longs to know what romantic love is (in contrast to Celes, who initally is very contemptuous of romantic love, but eventually finds herself falling in love with Locke), but instead of romance, the love she finds and takes strength and courage from is her maternal love for the Mobliz orphans. That love binds her strongly enough to the human world to survive during the game's ending. She doesn't need to be in a romantic relationship, because for now the children are enough for her. I'm just wondering...how do you feel about the way Terra's story fits in with your ideas?

Moving on is not a bad thing to do, but it just take times. It also doesn't mean that the person shacked up with the next person they see. <_< Life is important but people have their reasons of why they want to give up their life. Its no simple matter. I wouldn't want Cloud to died but in a way, its probably his choice if he wants to. I don't really understand why some Clotis are making a fuss over this. Its really been like two years now and who's to say that Cloud will shack up with Tifa only. There's a lot of single women out in his world, he could end up with anyone... :lol:
But then again, just because your loved one died doesn't mean you shack up with your childhood friend or whoever is there. A person have to decide on their own free will, not force by others and pick for them without their consent. Aeris was very dear to Cloud, so I don't see him in a position for another relationship. Who knows, maybe if he does survived through his struggles, he may want to lived a life, alone and helping others.

:lol: So true, so true, aeriscloud.
Clotis make it seems like Tifa is the only girl in the world. It'll be so surprising and funny if they made Cloud end up with Elena instead in AC. I would died from pure laughter. :lol: :lol:
Yes, exactly right. Cloud have to find his own reasons so that he can share "takoyaki" to that person one day and tell that person that his reason for being born or to lived was for them. Oh, me and my Fruits Basket ananlogy. :lol:

I think that moving on for Cloud would mean, to reach a point in his life, in wich he realizes that he has fulfilled his promise to Aerith and that somehow he made his life worth (probably after defeating the JENOVA/Sephitoth threat for the last time), after that he might find peace within himslef, then he can let go, and find happiness in the eternity (in short, he dies).

Many Clotis claim that he can't die because he's still too young, and that he has still a lot of things to do, like marrying Tifa. But if you study Cloud's life, you'll come to the realization, that even if his life was sad and messed up, there's nothing that he hasn't experienced or felt. After he defeats the JENOVA/Sephiroth threat, there will be nothing left for him to do, than to show us they way he'll continue, or end.

Remember that this is Cloud's story, so whichever way he decides of moving on, it will be his's and no one else's. But I think that if he dies, then all the suffering, sorrow, pain and grief that he felt all his life, along with all the sacrifices and good deeds that he did, will reward him with eternity, by leading him to the/his Promised Land, wich as we already know, is with Aerith. :cleris: