I'm getting very confused over this issue, and it's beginning to drive me crazy. When Square first announced Advent Children last September, they said that Cloud has been living alone and away from his former friends for the last two years. Then they said that he was working in an orphanage by himself. Then they changed it, and Nomura said in an interview last summer that Cloud has been working as a courier and travelling around on Fenrir. Kitase said in an interview that Cloud and Tifa have had little contact during the last two years. Nomura said in another interview that Cloud returned to Midgar at the beginning of AC. Dorimaga magazine said this last summer:

Cloud: After the battle, he hid in secret and lived a quiet life alone. However, he is attacked by the three mysterious men who suddenly appear, and decides to once again return to the battleground. Not even knowing what they want, he is forced to draw his sword.
Aerith: A woman who fell to Sephiroth's sword during the battle two years ago. A young woman resembling her appears before Cloud. Are these dreams Cloud is having....? Or are they...!? Is there a chance she will be revived!?
Tifa: She returned to Seventh Heaven in Midgar after the fighting, and manages it alone. As before, she takes good care of Marlene, Barret's daughter. Tifa supported Cloud from the shadows. But it doesn't seem that they got together after the fighting. They are living apart, and Cloud doesn't communicate with her much. Aerith is still in Cloud's heart, and Tifa understands that... It looks like that sort of relationship.

Last summer, Gangan magazine quoted Nomura as saying that Cloud had been living alone and that he returned to Midgar at the beginning of AC. Yet, the latest translation of a recording from the Montreal Film Festival has these quotes:

[Tifa] He's not here anymore.
[Denzel] Cloud? Where's Cloud?
[Tifa] This is Strife Delivery Service.

[WCM] I heard you've been living with the orphans.
Wouldn't you like to put the smiles back onto their faces? Our ultimate
objective here is the restoration of the world, Cloud.

Marlene] Is Cloud living here?
[Tifa] Tifa: Seems like it to me...
[Marlene] This is the same as Denzel's...! Is Cloud sick, too?!
[Tifa] You could've told us...
[Marlene] Was it 'cos he's sick that he left?

[Cloud] Vincent, could you take Marlene back with you to the Seventh Heaven?
I have something to talk about with those ShinRa buggers....
[Vincent] I cannot agree with that.
....
[Cloud] C'mon, Marlene! Let's go home.

The trailers are making it look as if he were living at the Seventh Heaven, and the implication in this trailer is that he left to go live in the Church because he was sick. Square has been telling us otherwise for months. What's going on here?

The thing is, we don't know the context behind Marlene's words. It might be that he visited, then left because he didn't want anyone to notice he was sick. That might be why Denzel asked where he was, and why Tifa said he wasn't there anymore. If he was living there, why would Tifa leave a message asking if he was doing okay? Wouldn't she know this if they were living together?

Also, how many children is Tifa looking after? We know she takes care of Denzel and Marlene, but there's no mention of any other children and we don't see any other kids in 7th Heaven in the trailer. Marlene has Barret, who she still sees as her dad so she isn't really an orphan in that sense. Why would Kadaj say 'orphans'? As far as we know, there's only one orphan living with Tifa - Denzel.

Maybe Cloud just means Midgar itself when he says 'let's go home' to Marlene? After all, they are quite far away from it if they're in the Sleeping Forest.

And even if he was living with Tifa, doesn't the fact that they've been living together and are still not a couple reinforce what we've been saying all along, that they're no more than friends and this will always be the case? ;)

I agree with Madame.

I don't think that Square will run us around like this so badly. Frankly i think te truth of it will come out with the movie. And like Madame says all of this still points away from a Cloud Tifa relationship which is the important matter here

Damn i had something else to ask about AC but i've forgotten...hmmm i'll be back later.

I believe the interviews, Square-Enix is only doing this to confuse us..I don't think Nomura would lie in an interview would he?

I agree that all the phrases can be interpreted in different ways, but there's a lot of implication that he was living at the Seventh Heaven until he got Geostigma. The bit about "Let's go home", for example, is said after Cloud asks Vincent to take Marlene back to the Seventh Heaven... so "home" can easily refer back to "Seventh Heaven", especially since Marlene lives there.

I guess it just bothers me that Square would be giving the Cloti's so much too chew on and work with. I was expecting it to be very clear that he was living alone. Perhaps Square is just throwing these hints at the beginning of the movie to give the Cloti's something to keep them happy when Cloud gets re-united with Aerith at the end? :lol:

Hmmm...I think that "Let's go home" was more indicated to Marlene..like her home or something, not THEIR HOME. XD like.."let's go to your home"

Yeah, the thing is... it can be interpreted either way. My immediate thought when Cloud said that was that he meant the Seventh Heaven... so it gives the Cloti's food to chew on even though it can't be proven. The other statements are open to interpretation, too. I'd just rather that it be MUCH clearer that he's been alone.

Aly i really don't think it's going to matter.

We all know that nomura has said we won't be dissapointed in Aeris and that for me means we won't be dissapointed with the love triangle either.

And does it really matter that the Cloti's have something to chew on? They'll always find something to chew on...always

*sits back in rocking chair waiting for Clotis to find something to chew on back and forth back and forth*

I wouldn't worry about it, Aly. I think all Square are doing is trying to keep us guessing with regards to the love triangle. They don't want to disappoint either side. And as Raist said, the CloTi's are always going to find something to argue with us about. Knowing some of them, they'd say the photo of Cloud, Tifa, Denzel and Marlene proves that Cloud has married Tifa and adopted the kids! :lol: Yep, sure looks like a cozy family photo, what with Cloud being stood as far away as possible without being out of the photo. :rolleyes:

*puts on best Cloti impersonation* Yeh that's true didn't you know that???

But seriously Madame is right. Clotis will argue anything so it matters little what Square releases except for AC and i really think we won't be dissapointed with that. Well you might be because i'm not so sure that Cloud will end up with anyone but he won't be with Tifa i'm sure of that. *hopes these aren't famous last words*

I agree. The CloTis are clinging with all their might to a few snippets from the trailers which change with each translation. Nomura and Kitase both stated that Cloud has been living alone for the past two years. I think I will go with them.

This's really been driving me nutso too! I mean, we get a different setting for Cloud every time! He lives alone on his bike, he lives in the church, he lives with Tifa, etc etc etc. The interviews say alone, the trailers say "With Tifa" or "in the church after Tifa" or "In the church cuz he's sick but nobody knows where he was before"
SOOO-OOOOOo confusing!
BTW, I never SAW that stupid photo! Anybody got a pic of it I could look at? I think I saw a screenshot of it, but I couldn't make out anything beyond a swirl of colors.

Yeah, there have been too many theories about this. But I guess the latest would have to be him living in Aeris's church. I can believe that with the 25 minute showing since his bandages were there and Tifa and Marlene comment on it. But who knows. I'm just gonna wait until I see for myself.

More proof! and now frm the official site !

ff7ac.net translated their bios..

http://ff7ac.net/translation/english/cloud.jpg

HAAAAAAA!!!!!! B) TAKE THAT CLOTIS!!!!!! :lol: I KNEW he wasn't shacked up with Tifa!

"Now he refuses to associate himself with other people and lives a solitary life". PWNED!!!!!!! :lol:

*Woot!* Great find, Aerith! :D

On the official site, even! :lol: That's perfect!

They said something about Cloud returning to Midgar just before all the hoopla started. Apparently, he stops by the Seventh Heaven and the orphanage as he returns, then leaves to go stay at the Church. Remember Nomura saying something about Cloud recently returned to Midgar and that's where the scene in Tifa's bar take place? He probably means the scene when Tifa says, "He's not here".

Now, Square ~ make that clear in the movie!

Yeah, I guess so ! All clear now ^_^

lol, that mustve been one slap in the face for the clotis :lol:

Yep, that's what I have been saying all along! ;) The picture with Cloud in it and Tifa's quote are all due to a recent visit, NOTHING MORE. He stays in Aerith's church while in Midgar, rather than Seventh Heaven with Tifa. *Smirks* I think he stays in the church because he feels closest to Aerith and he can hide the fact that he has Geostigma from everyone.

Yeah, too bad we couldn't see their expressions when their lame CloTi dreams came crashing down... :rolleyes: (Yes, I am a certified CloTi-hater)

Aww... The more I learn about him wanting to be alone with his feelings and condition, the more I feel sorry for him. I hope Cloud ends up being happy! :(

Bah. I can see a lot of awkward silences whenever he does see Tifa. :P

Lol, my my are we agressive today. ^_^

Yep, that's what I've been saying all along. Cloud just pops by to visit, nothing more! Pity people won't believe us. Well, just wait for the movie. Hopefully SE makes it crystal clear.

Exactly. They like to pretend that SE's just fibbing when they say Cloud lives alone. "Tifa says Cloud's not here anymore! That means he was! that means he lives with her! WAAAAH!" "Two pictures of Cloud in her house means he lives there! WHAAAA!"

The trouble is that we hear that in interviews and we see that on the website, but the trailers have left it open to interpretation. I sure hope the movie makes it clear, or else we'll be hearing "that's not what the movie said!!!!!!!!" for the next umpteen years. :angry:

On the OFFICIAL S-E USA site:

Two years after the events of FINAL FANTASY VII, the ruins of Midgar stand as testament to the sacrifices that were made in order to bring peace. However, the world will soon face a new menace. A mysterious illness is spreading fast. Old enemies are astir. And Cloud, who walked away from the life of a hero to live in solitude, must step forward yet again…

How do you like THEM apples, CloTis? :lol: They cannot say the official site is lying, now can they?

i just hope they make it all clear in the movie :P ;)

I hope that Square makes it clear, too... because it hasn't been made clear at all in the previews we've seen at the film festivals. Square has made it very clear in interviews and on their website, but that will be quickly forgotten if the movie doesn't also make it clear.

Yeah, it's really frustrating. In the trailers it really does look very much like he's living there(at least SOME of the time)and CloTi's take that to mean that SE changed their mind, but never updated their websites. I mean, have they EVER changed a game that much? And then not TOLD anyone about it til it came out?

From what I see in the trailers and what I've read in several places, Cloud seems to be wondering alone and not living anywhere near Tifa but with orphans.

Maybe it's the handphone scenes which cause the Cloti fans to think otherwise. Can't be too sure myself other than that. :unsure:

I have been revamping my website with a big section dedicated to the love triangle. The pages are not finished and are not posted as of yet. However, this is what I had to say about this issue on my page...

...After the release of the images of Aerith, Dengeki published another article that had profiles of the characters...

Cloud: After the battle, he hid in secret and lived a quiet life alone. However, he is attacked by the three mysterious men who suddenly appear, and decides to once again return to the battleground. Not even knowing what they want, he is forced to draw his sword.

Aerith: A woman who fell to Sephiroth's sword during the battle two years ago. A young woman resembling her appears before Cloud. Are these dreams Cloud is having...? Or are they...?! Is there a chance she will be revived?!

Tifa: She returned to Seventh Heaven in Midgar after the fighting, and manages it alone. As before, she takes good care of Marlene, Barret's daughter. Tifa supported Cloud from the shadows. But it doesn't seem that they got together after the fighting. They are living apart, and Cloud doesn't communicate with her much. Aerith is still in Cloud's heart, and Tifa understands that. It looks like that sort of relationship.

Notice that it was stated AGAIN that Aerith lives in Cloud's heart. Was anything of the sort mentioned about Tifa? NO.

What of Tifa, you ask? Well... she is living in Midgar, managing the Seventh Heaven Bar ALONE. She is taking care of Marlene and an orphan named Denzel. She and Cloud have been living apart, as Cloud refuses the company of others. However, we find out that she does act as a relay service for Cloud's messenger service ("Strife Delivery Service"), calling him with job offers. Some CloTis want me to believe this means that Cloud and Tifa are lovers. What, he is sleeping with her because she answers the phone for him??? HA!!!! How ABSURD!!!!! I don't guess you guys have paid attention to ANY of the information we have gotten on AC so far that states that Tifa and Cloud have been living apart. I don't guess you noticed all of the wolf symbolism revolving around Cloud (the name of his bike, the wolf jewelry...). In all ways, Cloud is a LONE WOLF. Also, I don't guess you noticed that he is much more focused on Aerith than Tifa (points up to all of the info above).

Some CloTis, who like to ignore everything we have learned about AC so far, want us to believe that Cloud is living with Tifa. However, in an interview with Tetsuya Nomura, the director of Advent Children, he stated:

"Cloud, who up till this point has lived apart from his former friends, now returns to Midgar, at which point the scene in Tifa's bar probably takes place. Otherwise, he spends much of his time travelling on Fenrir (as a kind of 'carrier') and frequently changes where he stays."

So, from the director's own lips, we hear that Cloud has lived apart from his friends since the events of FFVII. In an interview with Tetsuya Nomura and Yoshinori Kitase, in which they were asked about the status of Cloud and Tifa's relationship, we hear this:

"It's now two years after that journey, Tifa manages the bar Seventh Heaven in Midgar sector 7 by herself. We can gather that they haven't seen each other in awhile from the words 'how are you'?...."

So, please, do not even begin to tell me that you know more than two of the men who are working on the movie! Nomura and Kitase have never retracted their statements and they have never contradicted their statements. It has NEVER been said that Cloud lives with Tifa. In one of the trailers, the man in the wheelchair stated that Cloud was living with some orphans. However, the only orphans we have seen living with Tifa are a boy named Denzel and Marlene. In the trailers, we see 20-something orphans with one of the bad guys. Where did they all come from? Were they ever shown with Tifa? NO. I am sure many, many children lost their parents when Meteor destroyed Midgar in FFVII. Seventh Heaven isn't going to house them all. So, it is my belief that Cloud is living with orphans in another location. However, he never stays in one place for long. This interpretation works best, because it doesn't contradict every last shred of information we have gotten on Cloud so far regarding him being a loner. Even the Tour Program for the Dear Friends Concert stated:

Cloud, who fought for the sake of his world once before has rejected society to live in solitude, must step forward yet again.

The OFFICIAL Square-Enix USA site says this:

And Cloud, who walked away from the life of a hero to live in solitude, must step forward yet again.

So WHEN did ANY of this say anything about Cloud living with Tifa??? NEVER. The sooner some of you CloTis get that through your delusional heads, the better... Some of the most PATHETIC CloTi evidence ever has surfaced with the latest trailers. They claim that they have evidence that Cloud lives with Tifa, regardless of everything that I have just presented that states OTHERWISE. Their so-called "evidence"...

1. A picture on the wall of Cloud that one of the orphans drew. Okay, if this is all you have, then that is REALLY sad. What if Marlene drew it? She KNOWS Cloud, for Pete's sake! She knew him during the events of FFVII, too. I am certain that Cloud does stop by for visits. So, NO, this is NOT evidence for Cloud living with Tifa. Sorry to burst your bubble.

2. A picture of Cloud, Tifa, Denzel, and Marlene on the desk. Oh, you mean the picture of Cloud standing to the far left, looking morose, and Tifa standing with Denzel and Marlene? The fact that Tifa and Cloud are so far apart is amusing. The CloTis want to claim this is proof of their so-called "love" and they even want me to believe this means they LIVE together. How ABSURD!!!!!!!! Have you ever heard of something called a "visit"? You know, where someone stops by and then LEAVES? I am sorry, but one picture does not=Cloud living with Tifa. Was he anywhere NEAR Tifa in the picture? No. Was he smiling? No. He looked as though he is merely tolerating having his picture taken. Also, in the photo, Cloud has Geostigma already. And you want me to believe that Cloud is living with Tifa? Don't you think she would have noticed if Cloud had a TERMINAL ILLNESS??? Give me a break!!!

Anyways, I will be adding more later. Let me know what you guys think so far...

Hum...Big post :blink: as always :)

You're right FFG, Clotis are just more fanatics than we are and, even with all the evidence supporting us, they won't give up on what they belive is the absolute truth. -_-

Oh, about Seventh Heaven...they must've cleaned up all the mess, right? Cause I remember the plate falling over it...must be weird to live on a place where so many friends were lost... :unsure: Remember Biggs, Wedge and Jessie? She had a crush on Cloud :wub: No one resists his charm :lol:

They may have rebuilt it somewhere else, too. It has been two years, after all...

Anyways, I want to know what you guys think of this, brought up by a CloTi in the LT debate... This CloTi stated that, if Cloud is living with orphans, then he HAS to be living with Tifa. Their rational: If Cloud lives with some other orphans, but still travels, who takes care of the orphans in his absence? This is actually one of the few CloTi points I have heard that kind of makes sense. However, if this was a TRUE orphanage, not just Tifa taking care of two orphans at Seventh Heaven, wouldn't these children have matrons (women who watch over them)? I mean, if this was a true orphanage, wouldn't there be MORE than one person to take care of them all??? While their logic had some potential, I believe it just falls short... What do you guys think? I mean, I cannot PROVE that Cloud lives in a large orphanage with 20-something orphans. But, it makes more sense this way as it does not contradict the words of Nomura and Kitase, not to mention Square-Enix.

Humm*reads big long post* Maybe you should be a lil nicer FFG. I mean, if you're simply stating your facts, you shouldn't call people stupid. You should give your evidence in a ration, respectable manner. Not all CloTi's who are gonna read that are the means ones who insult you. Plus, it gives Cleris fans a bad image.

Back to business! Ya know, if they stated as recently as the Film Festivals, then I'd say it's up to date. Cuz that wasn't terribly long ago. Not long enough to make such a huge change and not get set back another year. Besides, all the "evidence" that Cloud's living with Tifa was presented there, so they'd really be contradicting themselves to say one thing in the program and another on screen.

Have you read the love triangle debate lately, Sefie? They have been on there typing things that I never said and then calling me a liar. They have been twisting my words and calling me a liar. Why should I be nice to them? I have tried that before, remember. It doesn't work with them. :rolleyes:

I know. Nothing we have seen so far has stated that Cloud lives with Tifa. We have only been told that Cloud is living with some orphans. It doesn't say where... it doesn't say how many orphans... and it SURE never mentions Tifa. And yet they are claiming that he is living with Tifa. <_< *Sighs*

Well, at least that makes them happy... <_< Don't worry, in the end Cloriths will be laughing out loud cause of the movie ^-^

*imagines a romantic seen and hugs cloud and aeris dolls*

:wub:

Where did it ever say that Tifa was living with the orphans? I don't remember that ever being said. All I remember Square saying is that Tifa knows the suffering of the orphans. I don't ever remember them saying that she was living with them.

We've only seen ONE orphan living with Tifa: Denzel. If Cloud is living with orphans, then where's the rest of them? There's no evidence of any other children living in the Seventh Heaven, and I'm not sure that the Seventh Heaven has enough room to house the number of children we saw in this photo:



There's all of your orphans. How are all of them going to be living in the Seventh Heaven without there being any evidence of them? The Seventh Heaven doesn't even have room for that many.

Square has said that Cloud is living a solitary life, but they've also said that he was living with the orphans, and that he was working in an orphanage alone. Then they said he was working as a courier. How can he be working in an orphanage alone and working as a courier, too? How can he be living a solitary life and living with orphans at the same time? All the information is contradictory, which indicates that Square wants to keep us guessing until the movie is released.

But one thing has NOT been contradicted: Square has never said that Cloud was living with Tifa. Square has never said that Tifa is Cloud's girlfriend. The AC website says nothing about Tifa being Cloud's girlfriend or about Cloud living with Tifa. The WCM never said that Cloud is living with Tifa, either. The ONLY thing stated by Square is that Cloud is living with orphans, not with Tifa.

Of course, this theory may sound incredibly stupid to some of you, but it just floated into my brain when I was in a Denzel-like daze....:

What if Cloud leaves the orphans to Barret when he does his courier duties? :blink:

They don't have to necessarily live under one roof, though... it could be that Cloud lives in a separate crib, but spends a lot of his free time with the orphans... not living with Tifa... and Barret could be.. the babysitter? :blink:

(Of course, that wouldn't completely explain why Cloud would not leave the orphans to Tifa, if she's perfectly capable of taking care of them...)

Okay, never mind, that's incredibly stupid, yep it is. I just thought that since Barret's role isn't very clear in the movie, but being Marlene's daddy, he should have a fairly big one, right? And he knows about Denzel, too, so maybe... maybe... Aw, man.

I wish Square would just make things clear, demet.

But Square has already said that Barret leaves Marlene in Tifa's care while he works in a mine to build an alternative energy source for Mako.

Good points, Anastar! ^_^

Wow... :blink: Those are a lot of orphans. It is funny, the CloTis cannot seem to grasp that there would have to be MORE THAN ONE orphanage to house all of the orphans who lost their parents in FFVII. I just cannot figure out how to nail it into their thick skulls. I have typed until my fingers are about to fall off and they keep up that "OMG, Cloud is living with Tifa and he's adopted all the orphans!" nonsense... <_<

*sighs* Well, there goes that theory. (flushes last post down the toilet) :P

As long as it is proven by you guys that Cloud does not live with Tifa...!!! :)

So, any thoughts on where all of those orphans are from? Is it one large official orphanage? Or is it several small orphanages? Any idea on location? Who is taking care of them when Cloud is working at Strife Delivery Service?