im tired of the cloud vs "ENTER NAME HERE" cause its just annoying.

So who do you think can defeat cloud.
i think that yuna could easly beat unless she doesnt have her aeons then i think that paine could beat him from ffx2

In a stand up fight where they start near to each other, yuna wouldn't have time to summon an aeon, it's not like it happens instantly, she would need to start a good distance away from him or have someone to cover her, and even then. . . cloud wasn't doing too badly against bahamut was he? I also wonder what happens to an aeon if you take out it's summoner?

And Paine, i don't think so, it's not like he would easily dominate the fight, but i can see him overwelming her in the end

For someone who could beat cloud. . .
I dunno, people have the potential to beat him in a fight, but it's not like it would be easy to say who would win, if you wanted someone who could clearly beat cloud in a one on one battle, the only people i could think of would be bosses and the like

Hmm, for a good fight, Cloud vs Beatrix could be an interesting match, I'm not certain who would win but it would be fun to watch

yeah you got a point there yuna would die most likely cause she wouldnt have time to summon. and if Paine was fighting cloud it would depend on what dressphere she had if dhe had her ultamite dressphere she would defianatly win but there are other ones like samurai where she would probably lose.

GOODNESS!!! YUNA VS CLOUD.

:lol: Now that's a thought. Though I really can't picture it. Interesting, interesting though, and yes, she wouldn't have time to summon - unless the battle is turned-based, like in the videogames. :lol:

Errmm....I think it'd be interesting to see Cloud and Squall have a go at it. Or Cloud and Auron. Auron's got the experience, and Cloud's got the agility. I wonder who would have the upper hand. :D

Sora? Well he CAN beat Cloud up many times in the tournament. My favorite is the Leon and Cloud stage... Sora in Final Form using Sleeping Lion and Fenrir.

This is KH2 Sora you mean? with the new abilities and such that i don't know about?
Since i don't know much, i have no idea

And you are talkin about KH Cloud, I don't see KH1 sora doing beating ff7-continuity Cloud, and KH Cloud beats him and Goofy n' Donald in the manga anyway, which is better because it isn't game mechanics, Although i am unsure of how canon it is, anyone else tell me?

So Kh-Sora can't beat either cloud, but i still don't know about the abililtes of him in kh2 and if they make a differance

(Yin-chan: There's already a thread on Cloud vs Auron, should check it out)

Yea but in KH you could say Cloud is going easy on Sora; just watching Cloud and Sepiroth fight, they are on a whole diffrent level than Sora.

Of course i'm talking about 1; and you just spoiled for me that there is another tourniment mode in 2, that Cloud and Leon are there and two of the keyblade names.

Not that i mind too much but please dont mention any plot points. i'm trying to stay spoiler free til the US version is released.

Beat Cloud...? Tough one, we havent seen anyone else in a live action combat situation against someone at full power.

It used to be widely thought that Cloud could only jump as high as Omnislash and that Tifa/Barrett werent that far off Cloud and Sephiroth in power.

Hell, i used to think Squall and Seifer at the beggining of VIII was the general FF fighting style.

To add to that everyone laughed off Cloud and Seph's power in KH as 'Alternate Universe= KH!Cloud would slaughter VII!Cloud'.

Then AC came along were other than the flying with their wings Cloud and Sephiroth dont move much diffrent to thier KH incarnations.
Leon and Yuffie in KH dont even come close to Cloud and Seph in AC OR KH.

Though Leon's 'laser' (probobly Lionheart gunblade) gunblade he can sumon in KH kicked ass.

Vincent no problem he could beat Cloud easy or maybe Auron imagine it Cloud fighting Vincent it whould be so awsome.

Well Tifa whould arse him pretty bad too :devil:

Hmm...Interesting. Maybe somebody who is very very good with guns. Like Vincent for example. But in AC Cloud managed to block Yazoo's attacks, so...I dunno. :sweat:

That's rubbish, how would vincent win so easily?
If it was real life, of course, but it isn't, so tell me why you think so? I perhaps can see your point if you make one

Cloud vs Auron has been discussed in the other thread, check it, maybe post what you think

Tifa? Tifa would go down quicker than the 2 doller ho she stole her old outfit from.
(just kidding, i like tifa, bit it's obvious to see she's not as strong as him, Cloud would win)

:P Well I think Cloud could beat anyone with his sword- but without it I think Barret would have a pretty good chance. ^^

nobody can beat cloud i love him soo much he kicks asss not even the great sephiroth can beat him :cloud: :huggle: but maybe vincent has a fair chance :woot: but i woodint be too sure :whistle:

Sephiroth can still kill cloud, in AC he had the chance to kill him, but he prefers to toy with his prey :D

G from DoC could probably beat Cloud.
Trance Kuja
Aeris could (even though she wouldn't) Cloud wouldn't harm her, and she could just slaughter him with Ultima.
Chaos Vincent
Nero and Weiss

yeah but whowon the fight it wasint sephiroth :D :cloud: and also if Sephiroth toys with his prey that wood be a weakness if he nos that Cloud has the advantage he should do a little less talk and more action i think :fangirl: :cleris: :D and Aeris couldint kill Cloud for won she woodint like yoo said and another they can all use Ultima :whistle: the only person i think has a chance at beating Cloud is Vincent but i really dont no it wood be a really good fight though sice i love Vincent more than any one :P and Cloud is my number one fav of all :blush: :gift: :fangirl: :fangirl: :lust: :vincent: :sephy: :cleris: :bff:

Zack could beat him.

I'd also bet on Laguna. he's a bit crazy and unpredictable and his desperado move would but a hurt on anybody.

Gogo could match Cloud move for move and then hit him with attacks he's picked up elsewhere.

Shadow is another major heavy hitter. While not as strong as Cloud, he's a much dirtier fighter and more leathal.

Sabin has a good combiantion of speed, strenght, and skill. I'm not saying he'd get an easy win, but it would be close however it went down.

Kefka would blow Cloud away.

Zidane would be quite intresting. He's nowhere near the fighter Cloud is, but Cloud would have a hard time landing a blow against the more agile monkey boy.

Zack 'could' beat him, but my money's on cloud,
Zack couldn't beat sephiroth, Cloud did

Laguna, I don't really think so, if it was real life machine gun beats ludicrously large sword, but I just don't see him beating cloud, he isn't really the strongest of fighters, not that i'm saying he's weak or even close to weak

Eh, could Gogo keep up?
And Cloud would mainly be striking with his sword, it's not like that would be so great to mime,
Would swords just appear? with cloud suddenly dual wielding pieces of his weapon, would Gogo suddenly have two swords?
I need to look at mime again, see how it really works

Shadow is hardcore, but he's a ninja, so he has to be!!! :lol:
Shadow would be pretty badass, i'm just having difficulty thinking up the match, perhaps i should look into my copy of ff6 again, look at what he can do

Yup, Saban would be a good fight, and i still need to check ff6 to remind myself

I Hate Kefka with a passion, i loath the bugger, but by the end of the game he's become a demi-god type entity, So he would obviously win one-on-one, Damm Kefka!

Now, Zidane has fighting experiance, he's handy in a fight, though yeah, not at cloud's level.
He's very agile, but Cloud is no slouch either, so he wouldn't be able to run rings round him. . .
Still, it's not like Zid can't mix it up, certainly wouldn't go down easy, Be interesting to watch, though i would bet on cloud in the end

Bah, I doubt anyone could beat Cloud right now. Good fights maybe but I think Cloud has the upper hand in most any of the fights he'll be in.

Sephiroth actually has the best chance at beating Cloud. Of course Cloud has the good guy factor and Sephiroth just won't win. ^_~

As for Shadow and Sabin... I believe Terra was stronger than all of them but I doubt she could beat Cloud. Shadow... he threw ninja stars. Woow. Nothing too special. Although he was pretty strong in the game. Sabin was strong as well, but I always thought Edgar was better because of his tools.

And Kafka win? Bah. He's the worst villain of all time in my opinion. I hear alot of people saying he's so badass because he killed a whole castle/village and he caused the world to go into chaos.... So what?? Think about exactly what he did to do that. He poured poison in a river and pushed a few statues. Oh wow. I can be just as evil as him. *pour pour push push* Ooooh.... I'm evil.

Do you know how hard it was for me to say it!?!?!
I HATE Kefka, At every point in the game i Hated that psyco clown!!!
He's far too annoying

But versus aren't about who you like or who you hate, it's who would win,
When i say kefka would win, i don't mean kefka the clown, lacky and generally evil and crazy, i mean End-Boss Kefka, when he becomes a multi-segmented demi-god thing after absobring the source of magic (those 3 goddess statue things).

So I think it's rather fair to say Cloud probaly can't take him 1-on-1, he would need his crew

(To give kef his dues, he is evil, he kills alot of people and ravages the whole world, but i would never call the girly lookin clown boy badass, just totally Nucking Futs)

Okay. Here's my opinion, even though I am a little, immature [censored] year-old. :P.

If I would have to say on strength ALONE, that means no personality and whatnot, My bet would be on Tidus. It's because since FF7's attack limit only goes up to 9999, and you can guess why I voted on him. XD.

Well, on character development and yadda, I would vote Terra. I think her natural powers and the whole human/esper thing would kick Cloud in the head.

cloud would win over anyone as long as he has aeris on his side!!! :cleris:

the guy's a cheater!! :lmao: he always has a guardian angel with him!! :lmao:

no other final fantasy character has that!! :cleris:

Personaly I think Cloud would kill any of them

Tidus Vs Cloud: If you are going by Final Fantasy 10 Status for Tidus then yes he can have over 9999 life, but let cloud go for final fantasy 7 status and he can revive himself whenever he falls and gain Mp by attacking unlimited times and even if Tidus can do over 9999 damage cloud would revive himself and use omnislash or Magic and kill him

Terra Vs Cloud:This would be a super awesome fight to watch but in the end I think cloud would over come anything she threw at him, cloud is extremley fast as we see in AC and could Dodge even bullites, I think that when Terra threw something at him he would just as easyily be able to Dodge it

Kefka Vs Cloud: so Basicley this gose down more to who cloud has beat more than anything, He beat sephorith witch is said to be the most powerful Square Villian ever,
on some occasions he fights Ruby weapon by himself and Personaly ive beaten ruby weapon without summons or mime, I think that proves that even if Kefka is a Demi God that cloud would still kick the shit out of him

Hes A Killer Cloud

:D

I think you forgot some factors.

You can also let Tidus revive himself with Auto-life, remember? (And, maybe some bystanders would Auto-Pheonix him!) Also, both Tidus and Cloud can have Regen handy with them so they could gain HP while attacking each other. And, Tidus CAN have over 9999 HP with Break HP Limit. So, even if Cloud does 9999 on him that would be NOTHING compared to what Tidus can do to him in one hit. If Limit Breaks/Overdrives were available, still, if Tidus could pull it off before Cloud can, he'd still do over 9999 in damage.

But, remember I said with this fight my bet would be on strength alone? That means, forget about all that Magic, Regen, Auto-Life, Pheonix crap. And Cloud would be one hit down and out. No Overdrive. Nothing.

Ahh~ Yes, I agree. But don't forget: Terra's half-esper. That means, if she morphs into her Esper form she can deal twice the damage than she usually can with physical attacks. She's also quite fast too. So I wouldn't underestimate her powers just like that. Plus, the added bonus is, they're natural.

I think it'd be a brilliant fight between Squall and Cloud....I think Squall might win....he has a few more issues than Cloud....It might take a while though. They seem very much alike....

If you're getting that technical about "Strength Alone", 99,999 damage does the same as 9999 since 9999HP would be the max in "Strength Alone".

Add thier magic and etc systems and Cloud would easily win.

Take it a bit further and throw away thier battle systems and base the fight purely on thier FMV sequence abilities and obvious strengths (Clouds crazy jumping stunts and speed and Tidus' fast underwater swimming and rope grinding) and Cloud would most likely win that as well.

After Advent Children it should be obvious who would probably win. Cloud won against several people and his own summon all in about 30 minutes. (Bahamut, Yazoo and Loz, Kadaj, then Sephiroth) And all without any of his materia. Imagine if he had his materia and/or Items. One word, "Unstoppable". Give him a few hero drinks and then let him do his Neo Omnislash or hook himself up with a couple of summons and he'd be insane.

Tidus may have high stats, but he's just not in the league of ANY of the FF7 crew. The guy's a pampered sports star, not a warrior.

I can't see Squall wining either. Looking at the cinemas, Squall actually fights like his weapon is heavy. Cloud handles two swords twice that size like they're nothing. Plus Squall doesn't have the drive. He realy just wants to be left alone. Cloud is the one who's got something to prove. Honestly, I'd give Cloud even odds at the worst against any team of three FF8 characters.

Now that i think about it though, KH2 Sora and Adevnt Children Cloud could be a rather intresting match up.

Cloud didn't win the fight about Bahamut all on his own. He received a lot of help in that battle especially from Aerith who used her invincibility techs so she could guide him safely through Mega Flare.

I happen to think Aerith's the best dueller of the FFVII cast so I'd vote for her. I've done solo FFVII games Cloud solo, Aerith/Tifa solo ( changing to Tifa when I lost Aerith) and I found Aerith the most self sufficient. Cloud and Tifa are pure brawlers. They have no way to heal or any other useful options and that's a bad thing when it comes to extended fights ( I'm still at Jenova Death with Tifa whereas Aerith's invincibility tech would have got her through that) Aerith can alternate in a pattern of attacking and healing until she can use invincibilty then whilst invincible she gets a breather from healing and can get in several attacks until the invincibility wears off.

I think Cloud could have beaten him by himself. All everyone did was launch him higher up. And it's not a fact that Aeris did any invinsible techniques on him. in fact he was alive and pumping even before she grabbed his hand, he was just about to give up in the flare attack.

And in FFVII, you can customize is so just about anyone can be a healer or whatnot. Cloud's MP and magic could be high and his HP and attack low by the end of the game depending on what Materias you used. It's not like any other FFVII character can't alternate from attacking and healing.

I think plenty of people could beat him just considering how Cloud is. He's no Superman. Far from it really. But hey! Imperfection is what makes us human, right? And if I had to choose just one person to beat the snot outta Cloud...I guess I would have to say Squall Leonhart. Simply because he has the military mentallity, is not held down by the usual "man is warrior" and "woman is mage". Maybe that's just me.

Um... Okay. So you say Cloud is no superman... he's human, but he'll get beaten by Squall. Another regular human.

You also say that he has the military mentality. There is no label on what a military person is supposed to be thinking. And man is warrior, woman is mage? What exactly does that mean? And you may have forgotten that Cloud himself was in the military.

I'm not so sure Squall's military mentality would play into this.

Cloud actually was a soldier (although not a SOLDIER). He actually went on missions with commanding officers. Squall was pretty much put in charge of his group and turned loose.

Riight ... so now you're saying Bahamut's Mega Flare wouldn't have hurt him :P Cloud has now magically gained the ability to be totally unsusceptible to any damage from anything :P That is seriously far out. Only Aerith had the "Peerless" status in FFVII.

And you're also saying ... Cloud can fly? How else would he get way up into the sky like that where Bahamut was? :P

No, what his allies did was important. He needed their boosting up. Unless you can offer substantial evidence that Cloud really can "fly" that "all everyone did" that "all" was important.

And oh no he wasn't kicking against Bahamut, he was visibly straining against the glare of the flare. He was hardly unphased. Yeah he was about to give up. Aerith *did* do something to help, she *did* guide him through the flare, unless you again can prove that Cloud now can use Peerless status.


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And I judge characters by innateness and uniqueness. With the materia system characters can lose all sense of individually. One can customise them all in the same manner. This is why it is banned in the RPG duelling league. With materia all characters can become godlikes but it's not because of themselves. It's artificial improvement. I *know* Cloud can equip materia in a solo game, I've done that type but what kind of challenge is that? Innate and unique skills only and you see what a characters really made of. And if Cloud really *needs* materia to put up a good fight then I think that speaks volumes. Besides if you're going to insist your Cloud has materia don't forgot Aerith can use materia as well to enhance her all ready good skills :P But that's just icing on the cake really. As I said I find Aerith quite self sufficient without it.

I'd say Aerith. :lmao: No, I mean it!
My friend can reduce her boyfriend down to his knees. :lmao:

Wow you really think Squall would win <_< i my opinion no way :lmao: Cloud is much better than him!! :P by a long way :whistle:

One of the reasons I like Cloud so much is because I think he is the best.
So I don't think anyone can beat him :P
At least none of the boys.
Maybe a girl could.. I'm thinking Yunie might be a challenge.
She can heal, attack, summon.. she is very fast and has high MP.

:D Me!

:lol: Cloud uses a Great Sword, I use a Great Sword, and I thought of a perfect storyline for my character.

Being me, I would say Squall or Zidane due to affection and nostalgia but have to reason myself.

I THINK Zack can beat Cloud, since he's First Class SOLDIER and buddy-buddy with SEPHIROTH.

Then there's Sephiroth, but like someone said, Cloud got the Good Guy Complex and beat him. (Just ONE Omnislash to beat him and yet, I cause more damage with my Cloud/Yuffie/Cid party! I fail to understand the logic)

Let's see, Squall MIGHT beat him, but Cloud will win in the end after an awesome battle. If goes by pure character strength, without Materias and Junctions and GFs...eh, I dunno. Does anyone knows their stats at max level without being tampered with? Also, though I haven't seen it, I heard Squall does 15 slashes when using Lionheart, which made me think of Cloud's Omnislash.

*imagines their Limit Breaks block each other*Cool!

Then again, Squall use a Gunblade and Cloud have an giant sword. The only time we see those weapons against each other is when we see Yazoo use Velvet Nightmare, but his Gunblade have a different function to Squall's.

He also only needed the help of his comrades in order to stop the flare itself. Not bahamut. If a one on one battle Cloud could have easily dodged the flare and another part of the city would have been destroyed. He already hit Bahamut to the ground with braver I believe. If the battle were to have stayed closer to the ground, there would be no need for his friends at all, and thats the only reason they made bahamut fly higher. And I never said Cloud could fly either, so don't put words in my mouth. Also, I don't think Aeris used a LIMIT BREAK on Cloud. She held his hand, gave him a bit of confidence and boosted him higher. That's all. You're invicibility theory is nothing but that. A thoery. Same as mine, so that ends at that. Theory clashing just about never ends with a winner.

So you would go and decide the fight between Cloud and Aeris by thier stats and limits on the actual game and not by what they would actually do in a real fight. (FMV/Advent Children style.) If so, then the winner would be decided on who is fastest. And that COMPLETELY depends on luck. During a level up in FFVII a stat could raise by 1, 2, 3 or whatnot... it's all random. So by level 99 it could be vary GREATLY. Whoever has a faster ATB bar would win. One attack of 9999 and thats the battle.

If in a movie style fight... well, lets think. Cloud or Aeris? Hmmm... Although this fight really wouldn't happen, I would think that Cloud could easily win if both were in top form. Doubt Aeris could move as fast as alot of the other characters... Shes not a trained to fight since childhood girl like Tifa or a skilled ninja like Yuffie... She was born in an cold village, raised in a nice house, hid and ran away from Turks... She's an ancient. That's just about it. She can use materia really well, can hear voices... And although she played a very important part in FFVII, I doubt she could defeat a mako and Jcell injected soldier who can easily swing around a gigantic sword or two.

So lets think this through a little deeper. I believe you think that Aeris would use her invincibility limit and attack while in that state. Of course this would require her to either be angry or require her to be attacked. The limits that appear in AC have never happened in the beginning of the battle so we can assume that it isn't possible for her to use it right away. Now the question is, can she last long enough for her to use it? Lets say she can. What would she do next? Attack? Well she's not really made for attack when you think about AC style. She would probably use materia. But of course if she uses materia then the fight would be pretty unfair seeing as Cloud wouldn't be able to. Hmm... Now if both had materia then we're back at where we were at before. With Aeris at a disadvantage over Cloud. And you also have to take into consideration that her invincibility only works for a limited amount of time. In my opinion, Aeris hardly stands much of a chance against Cloud in a actual movie-style fight.

Making these two fight is stupid, but whatever-
Cloud vs Aeris, cloud wins.
Give them both materia, aeris still isn't much of a fighter.
and game mechanics are still trash.

Seriously, what is she going to do, it's not like she she's that fast or strong, neither is she trained in combat,
Cloud could just dash forward and cut her up, though the thought of it just doesn't sit right with me, it is all he would have to do
If she has enough time to makeself 'invincible', it's only buying time really, if she doesn't have materia she can't do much, if she does then she could take him out with magic, though it's not like she would auto-win, still has to hit him,
i just wish it told you more about how her technique worked, the same for alot of rpg stuff.

Aeris vs. Cloud.

Winner:Aeris

It's not that Aeris can outfight him. It's that Aeris doesn't have to. Cloud is faster then her, stronger then her, could break her in two if he tried, probably.

That won't matter either.

It doesn't matter that he can kill Sephiroth and Bahamut and 3 SHM in 30 minutes if he has to.

None of it matters at all.

Because Aerith 'attacks' him with a kiss, and Cloud's just doomed. Even in CGI or FMV format. Just plain doomed. Not only that, but he'll ENJOY losing!

Case in Point:

I read a fanfic once where Aerith challenges Cloud to armwrestle. The sweet innocent flower girl is going to challenge the guy who can probably throw a half ton around for the hell of it to armwrestle.

Cloud, of course, is gentle with her, and sort of slowly pushes her hand towards the table when she leans over and kisses him. He sorta forgets all about what his arm is doing, so Aerith easily manages to push HIS hand into the table.

And that is why Aerith pwnz Cloud. :cleris:

That is the sweetiest thing I have read in ages :cleris:
You are so right you know :D