Who would win a fight, Cloud or Tidus?

I personally think Cloud would kill Tidus within a minute.

Cloud would wait for the first attack, Tidus would charge and Cloud would knock Tidus' Brotherhood right out of his hands, leaving him weaponless. Cloud could simply just hack away at Tidus until hes dead.

Go cloud. :cloud:

Aww man Cloud Would Kill Tidus in .5 Seconds

Tidus is a weakling
Alright :bikey:

Tidus is a pampered sports star. Cloud is a genetically modified soldier, with a high pain tolerance, and an iron will. Do the math.

yeah, and plus, would Tidus ever been able to defeat Sephiroth? eh.

Maybe in his FFX world of 99,999 damage, but he needs to live in the now, thats unrealistic man. If Cloud and Tidus fought in the same world with the same limitations or rules, Cloud would win no sweat.

awwww..guys, you sdon't need to be mean to Tidus like that. For a moment you sound like cloti's ganging up on Aeris. Of Course, cloud is stronger. But Tidus is strong too. Probably they'd have quite a long fight befor ehte white mages of both their parties would jump in and stop them. XD.

Tidus gets no love. T.T

Unfortunately, I too believe that Cloud can beat him up.

Now Auron vs Cloud! :D

I agree tidus is a whiner,I used to sympithize with him,but i realised cloud went through so much more,and he never complains.

Tidus-Wuss

xD

Plus cloud is just.... :whistle:...yeah :lmao: .

Of course Cloud :fangirl:

Sorry Tidus but Cloud is 100% better than you :plot:

Cloud: I'll kill you.

Tidus: No you wont. *Jumps in water and swims away* Neener Neener Neener

Cloud: o.O *Gets on Gold Chocobo and chases Tidus*

Tidus: Oh crap! How can he do that!?! *Dives underwater* Blub Blub Blub (Translation: Neener Neener Neener)

Cloud: o.O *Pulls out Underwater materia and goes after Tidus*

Tidus: blub blub (Translation: Oh crap...)

*Both get shot at by Emerald's laser beam attack and die*

*Cloud gets revived by Phoenix+Final Attack*

*Tidus just dies*


And there we go. Cloud wins.

Cloud. Nuff' said.

Tidus is a weenie. XD

Actually, if Tidus had the ability to cast auto-life the battle could get pretty interesting. Tidus is super fast, while cloud's speed is pretty darn low. Tidus would be able to cast Auto-life, and probably sneak in some Quick Attacks before Cloud would even get a chance for a turn.
However, Cloud's final attack+Pheonix would eventually win out, I just believe that Tidus has a much better chance at lasting a little longer than he's given credit for.
Now SQUALL, Squall would be out in the first round!

Sefie, you are my love. :huggle: And I agree with everything you said.

Now, I was trying to avoid this topic, because I thought it gave a sorry excuse to bash around Tidus. <_< Seriously, let's keep the 'Tidus-bashing' in the minimum. There are some of us, like myself, who love Tidus with hawt passions. :rolleyes: It really irritates me when I see comments like, 'Tidus is a little sissy/wienie/wuss/p***y' and whatever. I believe that's completely untrue. If it were, Tidus wouldn't have given his all to help save Spira, or try to find a way to summon the last Aeon so that Yuna wouldn't have to sacrifice herself, or blah blah blah blah... :bomb: [/RANT]

*Ahem* Back on topic...

Now, I agree that Cloud would win against a duel with Tidus, but, like Sefie said, Tidus is no pushover. Tidus's main advantage over Cloud is his speed. Tidus was known for his speedy moves and quick attacks. You can't dismiss him in a fight so quickly. Plus, I noticed in AC, Cloud's a tiny bit on the slow side with his sword strokes, mainly due to the size of the sword I guess. If we saw Tidus in an real battle, like we saw with Cloud, than I think his sword swings would've been more fluid and fast, IMHO, I believe that Tidus could've given Cloud a run for his money.

This isn't exactly for the FFVII section... *Moves*

I agree.

It's fine if you guys want to debate this, but please give some substantial reasons to your posts instead of simply labelling Cloud=pwnage and Tidus=wuss. The latter is pretty much character-bashing, and we don't encourage that in this forum.

Oh, I don't know... Tidus pretty much single-handedly carried my team through the final battle thanks to his uber-insane speed. :P And I did this without breaking any damage limitations and whatnot.

I agree with Sefie that Tidus' speed is not something to look down on. Where he and Zidane lack in raw firepower, they make up with agility and speed.

I personally never see an outcome in these sort of team-ups, just because both characters excel in their different worlds. But that's off-topic, so I'll shut up on that. :3

Alright, LETS DEBATE!

We'd have to set things straight. Are we talking about the technical RPG aspects(Materia system vs Sphere Grid system). OR are we talking about non-RPG battle system fighting?

I'll be defending Cloud of course. ^_~

I'll do both anyway...

RPG battle:
Alright. Cloud with materia system vs Tidus with sphere grid.

I hear people talking about how Cloud is slow.

I want to point out that Cloud can get a max stat 255 speed if he gains a bunch of speed sources from morphing the unknowns in the crashed gelnika.

Also materia could help his stats.

Speed Plus materia can raise his speed stats, and this would also work with a non-RPG battle between them since it's an actual materia.

ALSO don't forget Pre-Emptive materia. This would raise the chance of Cloud attacking first, at this point it would be an easy win for Cloud.

ALSO! You can't forget the sneak attack materia. This makes it so Cloud can use a materia right at the beginning of battle. *cough*KOtR PWNage*cough*

NOW if we're talking about pure brute strength, Tidus "should" actually have the upper hand, 99,999 attack isn't actually weak. BUT this doesn't really matter since Cloud only has 9999HP. Breaking the attack limit doesn't really matter at this point.

HP. Again Tidus has the advantaege with a max of 99,999HP. Of course Cloud can still overcome this pretty easily.

How you say? Demi3 of course Silly! And Demi3+Quadra magic = PWNed.

Now what else does Cloud have? Final Attack+Pheonix of course. He can be revived 5 times while Tidus can't be revived at all.

There are also alot more combinations to overcome any of Tidus' attacks.

And I'll continue on with the non-RPG battle style arguement later when I have more time. =) Thank you for those that have read this.

Sorry, I can't say much on Tidus...

I think I sorta blame FFX-2 on it, since Shuyin, who is basically Prototype Tidus, gets his behind on the floor by three girls... and I wasn't even serious on my gameplay. >.<

But Tidus is fast. I can safely say he's a lot faster than Cloud, especially since time magic is his specialty.

But then again Loz can do that in AC, and we could see that Cloud can handle him on his own.

Cloud! He's like taller, hotter, and older. Cloud is a fighter baby! :D :D
Tidus is still quite young, and is a little on the pampered side. Still, Tidus is strong. :D
Cloud is just more experienced, and has lived a diffifult, hard life.

Cloud's lost the one he loves, his best friend, and it was all because of him.

This is stupid, why did game mechanics get brought into this? sefie?
No, Tidus isn't faster, have you seen AC? have you seen what cloud can do?
now when has tidus shown those kind of abilities outside of game battles or even in game battle?

You can't use game mechanics, they aren't what the characters can do,
stats are stupid, how would 'HP' work out in a fight between them? one battle system has a max of 9999 and the other 99999, would you say 'tidus has more health and can do 99999 damage when maxxed out and got the right equipment abilities, so he win esily, and if cloud beat him, he would have auto-phoenix'

It's obvious that Tidus isn't tougher than cloud, certainly not able to take 9 times the punisment, or do nine times the damage with his blade than cloud could do with his sword, and how does 'auto-phoenix'' work? might as well say he has all the other skills too, since he can learn them all if you lvl, he's a master Blackmage/Whitemage/Warrior who can use status changing attacks and stat lowering attacks, it just doesn't fit, like Supernova for sephiroth, do you really think he has the ability to blow up most of the solar system? with a single move? and this tech doesn't even kill his opponents or leave any effect after battle?

he's just not at the level that cloud is, or squall for that matter, he does good for a sports star who is thrust into hardship and handed a sword, but doesn't have the skill or experiance cloud does
i like Tidus, others don't but i think he's cool, but he just isn't the fighter that cloud is

(I loath game mechanincs being brought into versus, it's so stupid, they are made to make the game interesting they aren't accurate for the characters)

Are are, don't be so harsh, Daniel-san! :lol:

Well, I also don't think we should bring the movie into this, besides game mechanics. Why? Well, Cloudeh improved quite a bit in the movies, yesh? I'd say if there was any FFX movie that we would only see a gush of wind slicing its enemies and say, 'Oooh! There goes Tidus!'

And Tidus isn't a wuss! :( He just can't handle his own cuteness! :P

I agree with not bringing game mechanics or the movie into this as well.

Game mechanics-- it's gameplay that I don't really see it figuring into the actual character. Aerith will still die at Sephiroth's hands whether she's level 1 or level 99.

Movie-- Cloud got a HUGE power-up in the movie. If FFX had a movie, perhaps we would've seen Tidus crossing buildings in a single leap as well. AC!Cloud could throttle game!Squall, game!Tidus and likely even game!Sephiroth.

Just considering Tidus' character type-- he's a sportstar, he's comparatively more hyperactive, he's closer to Zidane in character than Cloud or Squall-- I believe speed was meant to be his forte.

But game mechanics still represent the characters strength to some extent.

That strength also depends on the person playing the game as well.


Limit Breaks for one example... Cloud actually explains about limit breaks to the children in the learning hall. It's also shown in FFVIIAC. So Ovedrives would also count in this fight.

Now materia. This is also shown in FFVIIAC although it didn't show Cloud using any of this. And as everyone should know, there is an insane selection of different materia's. Lets take a looka t one of them.

Speed Plus. It raises your spd stat of course. If it were to be used in a non-RPG situation it would make the character faster. (Obviously)

And leveling up. I believe this is a representation of how a character grows during his/her journey. They start out fairly weak and gain experience poits to level up and boost thier stats. Now this would mean the character is gaining battle experience and mastering his/her fighting style, use of magic, etc...

And this would also go for FFX. Except in FFX, you can go past the limits of one class and go into another and another depending on how much you spend leveling up. This would be the same as if it were without battle mechanics. Tidus COULD just spend his time mastering the sword or he could ahve gone past that and learned a bit of black magic or white magic. It depends on the player whether or not they want to have Tidus "training" to learn more than just attacking.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that just about EVERY RPG, uses these basic(And someitmes not so basic) gaming mechanics to represent something that would actually make sense if it were not in-game(In a more realistic sense, movies for example; like FFVIIAC). Although there are a few exceptions of course that don't really make sense. For the most part they do.

It's all too artificial, do you really think they always get exponentially stronger?
Auron for instance, he was already elite, he was strong and experienced , do you really think he was that much stronger at the end of ff10 than when you first seem him in the game in Zanarkend? that he could be beaten by yuna in a punch up if it was yuna the character after the game and Auron character at the start? she still wouldn't be able to take a punch like he could or hit him that hard, but game stats you could apprently take out him out in one physical attack from her
hell, how does cait sith get stronger like that? he's a machine, he can't train, fighting won't make him stronger and tougher either

Look at when Aeris dies, that's reality, in battle she can be shot, blown up, set on fire, and be fine, especially since guns in battle seem to never do too much damage, but she gets impaled out of battle and that's it, dead, the same if she got shot or any of the other things that happen in battle

I keep saying it, Game mechanics are too artificial, they let you do things like let you carry around impossible amounts of things, be shot/stabbed/lightsabered again and again with little effect until you run out of 'health', these things are needed for the game, but they aren't accurate of the characters, that's why FMV's, movies and the like are more useful, they aren't having to be like that to be playable, and are actually what the characters can do

Jeeze, why did game mech's have to be brought up, who seriously thinks Tidus could take Cloud in a fight?
And who keeps saying Cloud is so slow anyway? just cause he's got a big weapon *giggle, laugh and so on* it never seemed to hamper him, he's never moved terribly slowly in game battles or film, Tidus doesn't have greater enough speed at any time to make much of a diff

Like I said in my above post, there are always exceptions that don't make sense.

And depending on the person playing, yes, they could get exponentially stronger. Say if the player wanted to brush throught he game. This would mean Tidus and co rushed through the world and had a hard time with enemies and such. Say, the player took 300+ hours to beat the game to level up, battle in the monster arena, get all the ultimate weapons and limits etc. This would mean Tidus and co spent a long time on thier journey to make themselves stronger.

And although Yuna at the end of the game couldn't beat up auron with a sword, I see it possible that Yuna with her last weapon and tons of experience in-battle could beat a less experienced Auron.

And Cait Sith isn't the actual person gaining the experience in battle. You could think of it as Reeve getting experience on how to properly use Cait.

And again, in-battle represent what the characters went through in the game, you should know already not to take it literally. Cloud can get shot up by people in the game, but in AC he dodged them all(Except for at the beginning and end.) If AC were a game he would have been shot and lost HP. And I'm sure you would used an example like this if it were a game instead of a movie. "Cloud could get shot in the beginning of AC and he would just lose HP, but at the end he gets shot once and he almost dies."

And I'll end this post by quoting what I said in the last in my previous post. I would just psot something similar to it, but I'm too lazy and hungry right now.

So in otherwords it's impossible to have a versus because Tidus's (or any rpg characters) abilities are totally subjective depending on who's saved game you are going by?

It's true, there's no reason that if you gave her enough training, and so on, she could take Auron. .

but that's not my point, Yuna from the end of the story couldn't take on Auron from the beginning of the story in hand to hand combat, forget artificial stats, could you imagine her being able to beat with any staff against him and his sword in a melee battle, she just does not have the strength or ability to win, and he is far superior skilled, not to mention her staffs aren't really the best weapons for it, she isn't a fighter like that.

so even though someone would be level 99 with ultima stats, it doesn't mean they would be able to win a fight they have no skill for outside of game battles,
another example is when tidus's group were held up at the wedding, even though it was just a couple of weaklings with rifles, even though they had just been munching through them, and taking repeated shots with little trouble, they were stopped cold

I know that, it's why i typed 'fighting won't make him stronger and tougher either'.
Sure reeve might be getting better at the controls, but where is he getting so much more toughness from, it would require actual physical upgrades, especially since his defense and HP increases make him so hardcore compared to his starting scores

And if Final Fantasy had been all film he would have dodged them all or got shot!!!

Is it really too hard to grasp, what happens in gamebattle isn't accurate because of Game mechanics, it's what happens outside of it that counts,
if cloud could be killed by a few bullets or stabs outside of battle, but can survive Supernova inside one, which is more accurate?

Why would i say something stupid like that?
I would say game mechanics aren't reliable and to go with what is, when cloud gets shot outside of battle and almost dies, which is a better showing of cloud's durability, like i've been saying all along

And i'll state my position again, game mechanics are artificial and aren't accurate, they are not suitable for proper versus debates

CLoud, hands down because if youve seen ffVII advent children cloud wields not 1 but 2 buster swords and all tidus wields is a dinky little sword half the size of a buster sword oh sure he defeated sin but cloud defeated seperoth the evil being and Jenova

you know what #*@$% that debate stuff and there is no versus take my advice and stick with cloud winning hands down

That's what the thread was until someone complicated it, i didn't even bother posting because everyone else had already said the same thing, I would have just been me-too'ing

Though to be fair, Cloud doesn't wield even a single buster sword in AC, he 's got a new sword that splits into multiple swords,
heh, and afterall it 's not the size of the weapon, it's how you use it :P

yeah i know but he acualy does have a buster sword in AC 6 stowed away in his bike one of which can be split in to different swords

Lol..

Some guys just crack me up. Dude, the swords stowed away in Cloud's fenrir are the 6 swords that combine into the one sword. I believe you're thinking that the 6-in-1 sword only takes up one slot in the fenrir. Well, you'd be completely wrong.

And I think you should start using punctuation marks when you're posting, alot of people aren't taken seriously because they talk like this and they dont use commas or periods they just keep talking and talking like theres no tomorrow and you dont know where a sentence ends and starts so then it can get very confusing so you just look stupid oh and dont double post its bad okay so just dont do it.

And just to make things clear for those that don't read and only skim through posts(Although I have no idea why I would write that since those people would only skim through this post as well) I never sided with Tidus at all in this thread. I only supported that the in-battle system could be used as an example for a real-time non-turn-based battle.

If Cloud can swing around sword the size of a cardoor while riding on the back of a motorcycle, I'd say he's far beyong Tidus is fighting abilities.

Cloud also seems to be able to hold up Tifa and himself with on arm no problem and still able to pul them both up. I'd say he more than has the strenght advantage.

Aslo, look at the reactor scene. Can anybody picture Tidus getting ran though like Cloud did and not almost immedialty give up? There's durability and pain tollerance. Then there's also his five years as a lab rat and his fall though the roof of Aeris's church.

Now let's keep going. On Tidus's side we have, "my daddy didn't love me." On Cloud's we have "My childhood idol burnt down my hometown and started slicing up everybody I know."

Alright... I agree that Tidus can't compare with Cloud but some people here are just completely ignoring how strong Tidus really is.

In the first FMV with Tidus you see he can swim extremely fast. Swimming that fast obviously means he's very lean and his legs and lungs are WAAAY above average. Now look at his special shot. He jumps OUT OF THE WATER high enough to flip his entire body around. Now the only way to do this irl would be to be able to kick your legs and gain enough speed to actually reach out of the water. Obviously no human alive can do what Tidus did. Also later on during FFX they showed another FMV that showed Tidus and co. balancing on moving wires from the airship down toward Yuna and Seymour... Obviously an impossible stunt for ay human alive again. Flipping and such from one wire to another is just insane.

He isn't as weak as you guys actually see him.

I agree with you, I know that tidus ain't a weakling,
and yup, if he could force an underwater battle he would have a major advantage, but in a fight he just isn't at cloud's level, and that's why you, me and everyoe else has typed as such