I'm starting a new thread for any information learned from the Tokyo Zone Film Festival held in Paris on December 1 - 3. One of our forum members (Coral) went to this Film Festival, so she will be able to answer your questions about it! :D

We may get a summary of what was shown at that Film Festival, or additional screenshots. If so, that information will be posted in this thread. :rolleyes:

(Oh I didn't saw that topic first lol. sorryyyyy!)


Ok, first I answer to the previous topic. (Andina making a text in english is difficult for me but I'll try later:) )

FB: I saw Nobuo; actually I saw hiw TWICE and I watched the trailer TWICE. I'm soooo happy. ^^ (don't hate me ...)
He's very nice and all, I really admire him now.
BTW his favorite character in the whole FF series is...Aerith! She moved him.


Okay now SPOILERS begin!!!!!









The flower field scene is pretty but strange. The music is kinda sureal, Cloud's first in a white place, then he saw flowers and we saw a pink ribbon behind his head. It was fun to see the famous pic now moving! lol. Aeris giggles so she has a spontaneious start lol.

She talks a lot too but you already know what she says

At the first projection the audience chuckled at the flower field scene: it's so strange! But then they listened and liked it.
At the second one everyone was staring in silence. It was a rare moment.


And yes I saw Sephiroth. We saw him twice in the whole trailer. Once at the beggining during at flashback, once at the very end...and maybe he's not a flashback anymore...? ^^""" it's a great moment.

And no your questions are good lol.


Anastar: I saw the pink ribbon on Cloud 's arm. He looks at it but don't touch it and he looks awfully sad. It's a very quick moment I really "saw" it at the second projection. I don't think that it's a flashback. I think that Aerith can talk to Cloud and only Cloud well directly at least.
When we hear "let's go Cloud", we see a white screen. Each time Aerith talks we see the white screen. Nothing on the screen, only her voice whispering to Cloud. It's the same white screen where Cloud was, before he suddenly saw flowers in a field (and a half Aerith lol).

What I loved the most about Cloud was his sadness. He really feels PAIN lol. Tifa on the contrary wants to fight, Cloud's much more deseperated. At one moment she said something like "always the same words !!!" and she's right.

Cloud lived at Tifa's house I think. But know he lives at Aeris's church. Marlene and Tifa discovered it when they found bindings there. You know that he's ill and ther's no remedy. But Cloud WANTS to die. Cause he can't "protect his family nor his friends." He thinks he's useless, that he can't save the children either. (Denzel, Marlene, orphans...)

Slower: No we don't have pink ribbons but I want one now lol.

Ok that's all for now, if you have others questions don't hesitate!

*squee!* Coral... thank you so much!! I'm so glad you got to see it!! :D

Did you get to speak to Uematsu? :o When did he say that Aerith is his favorite character? Did he say that to the audience or just to you? Did you get to ask him why Aerith's theme isn't going to be used in the movie? Did you get his autograph? Did you get to kiss him? :lol: How was his concert? What did they play?

I think Uematsu's awesome! :D

As for the spoilers part....


Film Festival Spoilers
Could you tell where Cloud was when you saw the ribbon on his arm?

Cloud didn't touch the pink ribbon? They said he *did* touch it at the Montreal Film Festival. :huh:

Did you get the impression that the flower field scene was the first time that Cloud had talked to Aerith in awhile, or did you get the impression that Cloud hears Aerith and/or talks to Aerith all the time?

What was your impression of Cloud and Tifa's relationship?

How does Cloud react to Tifa in comparison to Aerith?

Did Tifa say anything like this in the preview to Cloud?
"You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???"

How long would you guess that Cloud's been living in the Church?

You said that you thought Cloud had been living in Tifa's house. Did you get any impression that there has been anything romantic going on between Cloud and Tifa, or did you think Cloud had been living there in his own room or what?

Is there anything in the Film Festival which shows that Cloud definitely lived with Tifa, or is it just hinted at?

Did Sephiroth look any more real at the end than Aerith looked in the flower field scene?

(Thoughts: I'm wondering why Square has said for months that Cloud has been living a solitary life if he's been living at Tifa's house? Why would Square lie to us about that? I can't believe that Square would lie to us. They are STILL saying that he has been living on his own, so I don't understand why they are portraying it this way in the Film Festivals when they've specifically told us that Cloud has been living a solitary life and rejecting the company of his old friends.)

So what would you say it was? A dream (the kind Cloud had after he gave Sephy the Black Materia) or something else more closely connected to reality?

That's good, depressed and suicidal Cloud is the best Cloud there is. Sad characters are twice as interesting than happy ones. But I bet at some point of the movie something will happen (Aerith most likely) that will give him more hope. I suppose that's inevitable, but I am hoping that he will not get all jolly no matter what happens. <_<
Unless Aerith is brought back to life, of course, but I'm not really hoping for that to happen. :rolleyes:

I feel VERY strongly that Cloud is NOT living with Tifa and never has. Why? Because of these statements:

"Formerly, with friends, he saved the world. Now, he is another person, refusing the company of others, Cloud is grieving...." (From Famitsu)

"Cloud: After the battle, he hid in secret and lived a quiet life alone. However, he is attacked by the three mysterious men who suddenly appear, and decides to once again return to the battleground. Not even knowing what they want, he is forced to draw his sword.

Aerith: A woman who fell to Sephiroth's sword during the battle two years ago. A young woman resembling her appears before Cloud. Are these dreams Cloud is having...? Or are they...?! Is there a chance she will be revived?!

Tifa: She returned to Seventh Heaven in Midgar after the fighting, and manages it alone. As before, she takes good care of Marlene, Barret's daughter. Tifa supported Cloud from the shadows. But it doesn't seem that they got together after the fighting. They are living apart, and Cloud doesn't communicate with her much. Aerith is still in Cloud's heart, and Tifa understands that. It looks like that sort of relationship." (From Dengeki)

"Cloud, who up till this point has lived apart from his former friends, now returns to Midgar, at which point the scene in Tifa's bar probably takes place. Otherwise, he spends much of his time travelling on Fenrir (as a kind of 'carrier') and frequently changes where he stays." (From Tetsuya Nomura's own lips)

"Cloud, who up till this point..."-- in other words,"Cloud, since the last time we saw him at the end of FFVII...".

* "...has lived apart from his former friends,..."-- Cloud's "former friends" are those he associated himself with in FFVII, right? TIFA is considered one of his "former friends", right? It didn't say, "...has lived apart from his former friends, except Tifa,..." :P An interesting thing is Nomura's use of the word "former". This just shows how much Cloud has alienated himself from everyone, INCLUDING Tifa. He cannot even consider these people friends anymore??? He must have done a fairly good job at rejecting their company.

* "...now returns to Midgar,"-- Apparently, Cloud has not even been in Midgar for quite a long time. And where is Seventh Heaven located? Oh, that's right! MIDGAR. :lol: LOL!

* "...he spends much of his time travelling on Fenrir (as a kind of 'carrier') and frequently changes where he stays"-- So, Cloud spends the MAJORITY of his time travelling on Fenrir. Where did it say, "Cloud spends much of his time playing house with Tifa"? :lol: Also, it clearly states here that Cloud frequently changes where he stays. One of the places that it has been CONFIRMED that Cloud lives is Aerith's church. From the trailers:

*Marlene and Tifa walk through Aerith's church. They stop near the edge of Aerith's flower bed*

Marlene: "Is this where Cloud is living?"

Tifa: "I guess so..."

So the only places it has been mentioned that Cloud is living is Aerith's church and in an undisclosed place with some orphans. In fact, the orphan statement doesn't even appear in all of the trailers, so I am beginning to wonder if it is even all that important. :huh: On the other hand, it has been stated in EVERY trailer that Cloud is living in Aerith's church.

To continue...

"It's now two years after that journey, Tifa manages the bar Seventh Heaven in Midgar sector 7 by herself. We can gather that they haven't seen each other in awhile from the words 'how are you'?...." (From an interview with Nomura and Kitase)

"Cloud, who fought for the sake of his world once before has rejected society to live in solitude, must step forward yet again." (From the "Dear Friends" concert program)

"And Cloud, who walked away from the life of a hero to live in solitude, must step forward yet again." (From the official S-E USA site)

It has NEVER been said that Cloud lives with Tifa. In one of the trailers, the man in the wheelchair stated that Cloud was living with some orphans. However, the only orphans we have seen living with Tifa are a boy named Denzel and Marlene. And, yes, Marlene is considered an orphan. From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, the definition of orphan is: "a child deprived by death of one or usually both parents". Both of Marlene's parents are dead, so she IS considered an orphan, even though Barret unofficially adopted her. And so the only orphans we have EVER seen with Tifa are Marlene and Denzel. In the trailers, we see MANY, MANY orphans with one of the bad guys. Where did they all come from? Were they ever shown at Seventh Heaven with Tifa? NO. I am sure many, many children lost their parents when Meteor destroyed Midgar in FFVII. Seventh Heaven isn't going to house them all. In fact, in one of the trailers an orphan girl approaches Denzel, who is outside, and says, "You're sick, too." Why would she say that if she and Denzel had been living together at Seventh Heaven? So, it is my belief that Cloud often stays with orphans in another location that has, so far, remained undisclosed. However, since he never stays in one place for long, the orphans must have caretakers, like an official orphanage would. This makes sense, because a large orphanage would be required to house the vast number of orphaned children we have seen in the trailers. Cloud could come and go as he pleases, leaving to do his job as a delivery service whenever he pleases, and never have to worry about the children being left alone. This interpretation works best, because it doesn't contradict every last shred of information we have gotten on Cloud so far regarding him rejecting the company of his former friends.

Okay... And so ends my rant... :rolleyes:

Who said I do think he's living with Tifa? I don't think he is, either. If he is, then Square lied to us, and I don't think Square would do that. They've specifically said that he is living by himself, as you've just shown.

However, Coral got the impression that he was living with her from the Film Festival. We can't ignore what the Film Festivals are portraying. I'd like to know what Coral's impression is and how she perceived Cloud and Tifa's relationship in the preview. After all, she's not against us. She's seen the Film Festival and we haven't. Here's our opportunity to learn something from her and to figure out why Square is showing one thing in the Film Festivals while saying another.

I didn't think you believe that, but I DID want to add my two cents. :rolleyes: I don't get why S-E would make out every aspect of Cloud's character and then suddenly change it. I mean, the CloTis act like S-E suddenly just ditched all of their efforts to make Cloud into the lone hero to have him play house with Tifa. :rolleyes: It makes NO SENSE. And the more I hear it from the CloTis, the more I realize just how ABSURD this whole idea is. <_< I would like to know why Coral got the impression that Cloud lives with Tifa, too. *Waits for Coral to reply*

I honestly don't get it, either... it IS absurd. Why would they tell us one thing, then portray another? I can't believe that Square would lie to us. Plus, they are STILL saying that he is living a solitary life... so why are they saying one thing while showing something else?

I'd like to hear how Coral perceived Cloud and Tifa's relationship in the Film Festival. My impression is that Tifa is nagging Cloud, very honestly. She's yelling at him, and nagging him to fight. He doesn't want to. He's down on himself, he's depressed, and it's not because he has Geostigma. He's standing away from her in the photograph, so I sure don't get the impression that things are lovey-dovey between them. Marlene yells at Cloud that he never listens to them, so it doesn't seem that he's had a good relationship with any of them for the past two years IF he's had any relationship at all.


I'm just glad that Coral's seen it first hand. Perhaps she can give us some insight into all of this. :rolleyes: And Coral.... THANK YOU! :D

I think you two pumpkins are over-reacting a little. :rolleyes:
If I understood Coral correctly, Cloud used to live in Tifa's house and that might very well be the case. If we think Clouds situation at the end of FFVII you might notice that he really has nothing now that Aerith is gone. Even though his old home where his mother used to live has been rebuilt by Shinra there is someone else living there as you should know, so he can not really go there. So in other words Cloud has no place that he could call home and go to after he is done saving the world.
So it is only logical that one of his friends offers him a place where he can live, at least for a while.
And Tifa cares about Cloud very much so of course she is not going to let him be homeless and most likely insisted that he will live in her house with her. She's an opportunist, what can I say. :P

And that can only mean that Cloud for some reason did not live with Tifa for long. What's there to be worried about even if he did live with her for a while after the events of FFVII? We all might at some point of our lives find ourselves in a situation where we need to live with a friend until we can find a place of our own. And I believe that is the case with Cloud. I'm sure Tifa wouldn't have mind if he would have decided to live there permanently, but that's no surprise to us. :rolleyes:

But just because Cloud accepted Tifas offer to live in her house for a while does not mean they are in a relationship. Just think of it from Clouds point of view. After all the things that happened in the game and the way it all ended Cloud must have been feeling quite empty, tired and even confused. Now he finally has time to sit down and think, and as there are no more enemies to fight he doesn't really know what to do. An on top of that he really has no place to go. So he has no idea what to do now and no place to go, and then Tifa comes and offers him a place to stay. Cloud is propably even too tired to think about if he should do that and he really has no other options at the moment, so he takes on that offer and lives with her unti he can clear his head and figure out what to do with his life.
It's so simple. ^_^

Yes, Andina... It could very well be that simple and I hope that it is. The Cloti's, however, are trying to make it into more than that - hence our reaction.

Yet, even that explanation contradicts what Square has been saying all along. They've only said that he was living a solitary life away from his old companions and that he was living with the orphans. Living at Tifa's house (even if he was only living in a guest room at her place) contradicts that.

Sometimes things just do not make sense, sweetie.

And what I think is happening here, is that they are now trying to get rid of some plot holes and are coming up with things like this so we do not just jump from FFVII to AC. I suppose someone there just thought that it might be best if we explain to our fans what Cloud did after the events of FFVII.

I don't know! You people are making me all worried about things that I normally wouldn't care about. :rolleyes:

Poor Coral is going to go into a head spin trying to read all this and trying to figure out what we want to know. :lol:

Ye know, where Cloud is living isn't the only thing that Square has contradicted themselves about with the previews. They said, for example, that he was working in an orphanage alone. Then they said he was living with orphans. Then they said he was working as a courier. They also said that he was rejecting the company of his old companions and that he's been living a solitary life for the last two years.

What it sounds like to me is that they're just not wanting to give us a straight answer until the movie comes out, so they're presenting contradictory evidence to keep us guessing.

Okaaaaay lol

Listen this trailer is not the movie alright? It works like flashbacks. Moreover a 25 min trailer is a little long. To remember exactly everything is difficult and not only for me, for the others screening reports too!
To finish the translation was french. My interpretation may be different.

What it sounds like to me is that they're just not wanting to give us a straight answer until the movie comes out, so they're presenting contradictory evidence to keep us guessing.

I guess it must be so too.


Anyway I DON't KNOW if Cloud lived with Tifa at the Seventh Heaven. It seemed so to me because of the picture when we see Tifa Cloud Marlene and Denzel together, because it seems that Tifa works with Cloud as a secretary (Reno phones to the bar for cloud for a "job") and because Marlene and Tifa seemed very surprised to see that Cloud was living at Aeris's church. I think that Cloud's grieving since the end of the game. He doesn't seem in love with Tifa, I'll tell you why later.
But for the house 's part: if he lived with her I thought it was Andina's way (thanks ^^). Cloud has a delivery service, he travels everywhere, tifa gives him the missions by phone. HE MOSTLY doesn't answer at tifa's calls! He only has messages. It may be why Tifa ask him "How are you" : he's her friend first and overall. Not phoning at all could mean that he's dead!

So to me they are in contact (in comparison with Yuffie, Nanaki, Barret, etc...and the whole world! lol )but not very often.

Also, for the church: I think this is how it goes:
Tifa and Marlene go to the church
Marlene looks at the flowers, happy, but she saw bindings. "So that's where Clouds lives?" >>She knows he's ill. How can she?
Tifa looks around and thinks then said "I guess so..."

Then, at the seventh heaven tifa says to Cloud "So this is why you left."
Later she says : " You're resigned. You want to die?"
No answer from Cloud.
"I knew it." she says.
What I think is that when Cloud knew he had Geostigma, he left life (well social life). He already didn't saw many people before lol...He went to Aeris's church all alone cause this way he can't cure. This way he would die. Dying not in order to see Aerith again (or maybe but the trailer didn't show it this way) but because he feels awfully useless!
That's why Tifa speaks her mind with him. She's not yelling at him on the contrary. I could see pain and kindness in her eyes while talking to Cloud. She was like: "You can't give up! Look at Denzel! He's fighting!" she encourages Cloud, she smiles saying this and her eyes are wet.
To me there's close friends. Tifa knows Cloud better than anyone. She cares for him. He does too (when he founds Tifa unconscious in the church) but not in a romantic way. Tifa is her friend (and allied (sp?)

It's hard to explain...lol

And Marlene shouts at him because Cloud is locked into his sadness and doesn't listen to anyone. Even Vincent doesn't approve Cloud's decision: "I don't agree". Then Marlene shouts cause usually Cloud would never listen to her in order to make a decision.
Later he agrees with Marlene , she smiles and she takes her hand and they go together to the seventh heaven ^^ it's so cute!



I may be wrong too but that's how I felt watching the movie 2 times.
I also hope u understand me...bouh ouh ouh :( lol

About your questions Anastar:

Did Tifa say anything like this in the preview to Cloud?
"You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???"

>>>no! I didn't saw this! I'm almost sure it wasn't in the trailer.



(Nobuo is sweet, he said to the whole assistance that Aerith was his favourite character, I had two autographs from him I even asked him to draw me Earisu! But of course he couldn't lol. It was just for fun so he laughed with me lol.
There was no concert this day lol. He showed us a retrospective from FFI to XI. He commented it. He's a very nice guy, very humble and very talented. His favourite composition is "To zanarkand". I did not kiss him! lol
And no I didn't ask about Aeris's theme sorry :/)

Sephiroth looks DEFINITELY more real than Aerith at the end lol. He's attacking Cloud lol!

I think that the flower field was the first time that Cloud had talked to Aerith in awhile cause she says:" Question! What are you doing here?"
To me it's the first time he really "feels " her presence.

The ribbon: it's so quick! It lasts three seconds lol. He looks at the ribbon, his hand's not far from it at all lol but I don't know more about it, I can't remember sorry :( Where is he? I can only describe: grey place, with columns maybe (stone architecture) and there's water as we see a drop falling. But it can only be a puddle pool T_T

the important thing is: he pays a lot of (sad) attention to this ribbon, maybe more than everyone else who wear it. And the rain thing emphasises the fact that he's sad: like he's crying.



That's my POV tee hee lol

Gosh, this movie is going to make me cry...Tifa, Cloud...they all seemed so melancholic in this movie... Especially Cloud...Obviously, he hasn't found his promised land at all... What have you been doing all these years Cloud? :(
The saddest thing about AC is the fact that someone you love actually made you felt ashamed, and/or miserable (cloud's love for Aerith became his nightmare in the sense that he could never forgive himself for letting her die, Tifa's love (romantic or platonic) for cloud made her sad when she learnt that he still couldn't move on from his past)... Something like rurouni kenshin if you know what i mean... ah i am just babbling... The part about Tifa smiling with tears, encouraging Cloud is particularly depressing ... and the part about Cloud looking at the pink ribbon :(

Thanks coral *huggles*

Coral.... thank you so very much! This is so interesting! :D

You explained the situation with Cloud and Tifa very well. Thank you! I guess there's nothing definite about Cloud living at the Seventh Heaven, but there's no indication of romance between them, either, from what you say. Caring is one thing - romance is another. ;)

Cloud moved to the Church, though. It does sound as if he wants to die in order to meet Aerith, but I think they're leaving that part out of most of the previews. The Venice Film Festival was the one where we heard Tifa say, "You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???" The third sentence in that quote was also in one of the trailers. They've left that quote out of three previews, but it would indicate that at least part of the reason he intends to die is in order to meet Aerith. It also indicates that Tifa understands that.

I'm very surprised that Cloud hasn't seen or heard Aerith before this. That completely contradicts my understanding of the ending, and it disappoints me. And for Cloud to bring up his forgiveness upon communicating with her for the first time in two years... that just doesn't seem right. I hope they show it differently in the movie because that bothers me a lot.

The scene where he has the ribbon on his arm puzzles me. Where could Cloud be? I thought perhaps it was the underground temple where Aerith died, but now I'm not so sure. And why wouldn't Cloud have the ribbon on his arm later?

I asked about whether Sephiroth seemed more real than Aerith because I've been thinking that he may actually be a spirit rather than resurrected. Aerith talks to Cloud and touches him (a physical interaction). Sephiroth speaks to Cloud and is about to attack him (a physical interaction). Might Sephiroth just be another spirit?

Did Aerith touch Cloud's arm in the flower field scene this time?

You said that the screen went white every time Aerith spoke to Cloud. How many time did she speak with him? Before this, we've only been shown that Aerith speaks to him twice: in the flower field scene and in the scene where Cloud has the ribbon on his arm. Did she speak to him more than that?

Nobuo sounds wonderful! You were SO lucky to meet him! :D

And Coral... THANK YOU!!

Forgive me if I overreacted, but that is ALL I have been hearing from the CloTis lately, that Cloud is shacked up with Tifa... "OMG, Cloud and Tifa are living together, they adopted the orphans, they are in love, they are having sex 5 times a day"... It is SO frustrating to deal with that type of stupidity. <_<

Exactly. Nomura even stated that Cloud was just returning to Midgar, almost as if he were implying that Cloud had not been there for a long time.

Well, THANK YOU for the report, Coral! We appreciate it! :D

Same here. In fact, this whole movie is starting to bug me... <_<

I guess the thing I find contradictory is like what you've mentioned. SE has released official info on websites, mags that Cloud i living apart from others... so it made no sense that he's living together with Tifa and marlene.
Such a mystery... I gotta send my pink panther into SE to dig out more :lol: kiddings

But honestly, even if Cloud was living with Tifa, I am not really that bothered. Infact, it confirmed that Cloud had no romantic feelings for Tifa... if not, after living together for 2 years, he ought to learn to open up to her more, and tell her more personal things right? But insted, he still shuts out his emotions from everyone else. ^_^ Continued to be sadden by his past...etc...thus in a sense, he was physically living there, but emotionally, spiritually wise not. The photograph is another indication of that. He was physically standing there, altho a little off to the side, but his mind doesn't seem to be there at all.

*laughs*

You're welcome everyone :)

I believe it too: Cloud 's mind is somewhere else, lost in his (depressed) thoughts.

BTW Aerith speaks 3 times.
*flower field* Question! (.....) (Aerith touches his arm, he wants to look at her but everything disappear: he's only on Fenrir trying to save the children!)
*white screen* she said something like: I never blame you for anything. You saved me. Only this matters (to me).
*white screen, after the drop in the lake* Let's go Cloud.


Also, to me Cloud truly speaks his mind to Aerith, not to Tifa.
Cause he says to Aerith in the flower field "I want to be forgiven. Yes, I want to be forgiven"

This sentence is what Cloud really feels. He never said this to Tifa. Tifa guessed he wanted to die, she guessed he wants to go to Aerith but he didn't told her.

So ALL his pain must be directly relied to Aerith's death.

Maybe the ribbon scene is near Aerith's church. I don't know. As I saw the fallen colums behind Tifa and Marlene's brand new screenshot (lol), well....

Exactly... perhaps the movie will clear it up. I don't think we've seen the beginning of the movie, because it's clearly stated that he's been living with the orphans, and we haven't seen where the orphans are living. Nomura also said that Cloud had just returned to Midgar. We never saw him arrive in Midgar - would Square leave that out of the movie? Perhaps his return to Midgar was left out of the previews because his return isn't that significant... or it contains a spoiler that they don't want to ruin for us before the movie is released. ;) That photo on Tifa's desk is a recent photo because Cloud already has the cape on his arm.

Exactly. The problem is that the Cloti's are unable to recognize that distinction.

Does Aerith say, "You saved me?" to Cloud? :blink: I haven't heard that line before. I heard it translated as, "You came for me... that's all that matters".

Awwww.... :rolleyes: You're right.... he's hiding things from Tifa. He didn't even tell Tifa about the Geostigma. He speaks more honestly to Aerith.

Did Tifa say something about Cloud wanting to go to Aerith in this Film Festival?

Hmmmm.... that scene really is a puzzle. :unsure:
EDIT: You saw the fallen columns in that scene? Then it probably is Aerith's church. Perhaps it's later in the movie? Something happens when Kadaj drives the motorcycle into the Church. Perhaps it happens after that?

Thank you again, Coral!! :D

Did you ever get to see all of the other FFVII characters come in?
I wonder that since Marlene lives with Tifa (?) shouldn't Barret too?

All they've said is that Barret is mining for a new source of energy to replace Mako, and that he leaves Marlene in Tifa's care. But Barret shows up in Midgar to fight when Bahamut gets summoned, so it's uncertain whether he's living at the Seventh Heaven or what.

I'm beginning to wonder - they had to put the preview for the Film Festival together very fast, and they weren't anywhere near done with the filming at the time they had to put the preview together. Shortly before the preview, Nomura specified that Cloud had *just returned to Midgar*. Did Square just leave out the part about Cloud returning to Midgar in the preview? Is that why this contradiction about where Cloud has been living exists in the preview? :unsure:

I think it goes without saying that Barret will live with Marlene if it is just possible. Now we just have no idea where exactly Barret is mining, so perhaps he is temporarily living somewhere else and will come back at some point of the movie just in time to fight Bahamut. :)

Only Nomura can give a straight answer to that, sweetie. :lol:

I suppose it is always difficult to decide what to include in previews as the purpose of a preview isn't to reveal the whole story and go too deeply into details. They are meant to get us hooked, they are there to make us ask questions. Why, how, who and when. :P
And if you think about this matter that you just brought up it really isn't that important, unless of course you're a Love Triangle fan trying to figure out how much time Cloud has been spending with Tifa. :D

They really shouldn't waste their precious preview minutes to answer questions like this. They are suppose to raise questions and not answer them. ^_^

I doubt they care that much if things do not really make sense to us fans at this point. Things they say one day might be in conflict with what they show some other day, but that's nothing serious. Once we see the movie things will click and connect as we will finally see it from the beginning to the end instead of just few clips from here and there. The less details we know and the more curious we are the better the chances are that we will buy this movie. Or at least that's what they believe. :rolleyes:

Well, that's sorta the point I was getting at. Since the previews are contradicting what Square has said in interviews, perhaps they just left out the part of the movie that explains it while making the preview? For example, what if Cloud brought the orphans he was living with to Midgar because they were getting sick with Geostigma? What if he has been living with them elsewhere and they started getting sick - and then he got sick himself. Knowing that he couldn't care for them much longer, he decided to take them to Tifa because he knew she would take good care of them. That may be at the beginning of the movie, but it wasn't shown in the previews. Instead, the preview simply raised questions that are making us wonder - which is probably what Square intended to tantalize us with, as you pointed out.

But, S-E has also stated that Cloud spends the majority of his time travelling on Fenrir as a type of messenger. If these orphans were solely in his care, how could he leave them alone to travel as a messenger? Who would take care of them? :blink: The only thing I can think of is that Cloud sometimes stops in at an orphanage to stay, but then leaves again. That would make more sense, as the orphans would have caretakers in that type of situation. Kind of like an official orphanage. Then, Cloud could come and go as he pleases.

However, S-E also said that Cloud was working in an orphanage alone. See how contradictory they're being? :lol:

Ye know, there *is* one character they haven't shown yet. Conceivably, it could be Elmyra - she could be running the orphanage in Kalm, since that's the last place she was. And remember the children shown in the windows at the end of FFVII? Weren't they in Kalm? There's been nothing to indicate it in AC whatsoever, but it's possible. Elmyra would be the type to do something like that.

Hey, that makes a lot of sense. Elmyra definitely would be the type to take care of orphaned children. After all, Aerith was an orphan herself. ^_^

It's pure speculation, but say that Elmyra was running the orphanage in Kalm and Cloud's the only one who "works" there. Elmyra takes care of the kids while he's travelling. Cloud brings the kids with Geostigma to Midgar, hoping to find a doctor.

It does make a lot of sense... with Aerith gone, I could easily see Elmyra doing something like that. We've got nothing to back it up, though. Nothing like that has been mentioned in AC yet. It just makes a lot of sense.

:) if the last character is Elmyra it'll be sooo sweet...but i have a feeling it will be cait sith/reeve...Erm, well, the orphans will love caith sith ^_^ heehee

When Cloud sees Aerith in the flowerfields and then he flashes back on his fenrir, is he reflecting the time he was 'there' or did he go there at that moment? If the latter, then I don't think its the first time, because...it seems a little too casual doesn't it? If it were the first time, maybe a 'special' moment of reflection or time alone...but if just while riding his fenrir, makes it seem like it happens often.

Without a doubt. Those little kiddies would most likely try to wrestle that overgrown Moogle. :P
It would be cute, if nothing else and would bring little humour into this dark movie. :D

Wasn't she taking care of Marlene in Kalm at the end of FFVII when everyone else was fighting Sephy? I suppose it would make sense if she would continue to do that and take care of the orphans. It's not like she has anything else to do, as I think her home must have been destroyed by the meteor. Although the church is still somewhat standing and her home isn't that far from there so who knows. But as Aerith isn't there living with her anymore I think she would gladly take care of the orphans as that would certainly keep her busy. ^_^

That's possible, too. Perhaps this last character hasn't been revealed because that character operates the orphanage where Cloud works? Nothing has been explained about where this orphanage is, or where Cloud has been living with the orphans... so there must be something big about it that Square hasn't wanted to reveal yet. The last character may well be associated with the orphanage.

From what we can tell, he goes there at that moment. And yes, I agree that it seems too casual for it to be the first time he's seen her or talked to her in two years. But if he's seen her before this, then why is he still feeling guilty? Aerith would have addressed it immediately... she wouldn't wait for two years to bring it up.

The whole scene seems out of context to me. If this is the first time she's seen him in two years, why does she greet him with "Question: Why are you here?" That doesn't seem right. It also seems to end abruptly, without the matter being resolved between them. I think he will see her again during the movie.

I agree. Why would Aerith be so casual to Cloud if they were seeing each other for the first time in two years? And, yet, why is the issue of Cloud's guilt just now being brought up? Also, from what Aerith says, it is causing Cloud great pain to be there with her. Why? Because of his guilt? Is it his guilt that has kept him from seeing her all these years? Does he feel unworthy of her forgiveness? Is he too shameful to be in her presence? And, yet there is the issue of Aerith's casual question, "Why are you here?" Does she mean "here" as in "here, with me"? Or does she mean "here in the Forgotten Capital, where I was murdered"? :blink: Is it the location that brings up Cloud's feelings of guilt? The trailers probably aren't showing us everything. Maybe Cloud is at the Forgotten Capital when he sees Aerith. :huh:

Also, does everyone remember the pic of Cloud, Vincent, and Marlene standing at the edge of the pool where Aerith was laid to rest? Why haven't we been shown that again? That pic has all but disappeared. Maybe they want to be secretive about that... :huh:

Also... speaking of Elmyra taking care of the orphans... What if she were taking care of them at her old house in Midgar, where Aerith grew up? I know Nomura said that Cloud is just returning to Midgar, but that would be VERY amusing to see him living in Aerith's old house with Aerith's adopted mother, rather than where the CloTis are hoping he is living. LOL! :lol:

I think he's definitely feeling shameful. Why else is his back to her, and his head is down? He's feeling unworthy of being with her. In that sense, he may have been his own worst enemy in trying to see her again. Yet, it has been said that it's his dream to meet her again and KH/FF Tactics depicted Cloud as trying to find her. So why all of a sudden do I get the feeling from the previews that he has not been trying to find her? (See this thread for more about this: Cloud's Communication with Aerith.)

I think she means "here" as in the Forgotten City. Actually, I think she means "What has brought you here?" because she senses the trouble with the SHM, and she's wondering what the problem is.

That scene has been shown at all the film festivals. Cloud leaves at the end of it with Marlene, and they go back to Midgar.

But her house is in Midgar... so if Cloud has just returned to Midgar, then he wasn't staying at her house in Midgar. For that to happen, Elmyra's orphanage would have to be someplace like Kalm. I can see something like that happening easily, since there were so many children in the windows at Kalm near the end of FFVII.

That is pretty obvious, and I suppose it's one of the few things we can be certain of at this point. With everything else they go round and round just to confuse us poor fans. :rolleyes:

Well I haven't been to that thread yet, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. But it makes no sense if that would be the case, considering what Cloud was doing in those games you mentioned.
Perhaps I should go and see what you've been talking about before I say anything else, I've been talking lot of rubbish lately. :lol:

Well at the end of FFVII she was in Kalm with Marlene and everyone else that Reeve evacuated from Midgar, so it's no surprise if she decided to stay there and take care of all those children that lost their parents when Midgar was half destroyed my the meteor. She really has no real reason to go back to her old house, well apart from that beautiful garden that Aerith had there. ^_^

I completely agree... it would make no sense that he hasn't tried to see her again. Yet, that's the feeling I get from reading about the previews. I get the sense that he hasn't been in communication with Aerith, and that he's been guilty over her death, that he feels useless, that he's ashamed because he was unable to protect her, that he's feeling "dishonored" (for lack of a better word), etc. We've learned that he was working with the orphans and working as a courier. We've learned a lot about what Cloud has been doing, but where has there been any indication that Cloud is trying to find her? Wouldn't that be a primary thing for Square to depict?

The house and garden and waterfall were beautiful... it was her home, so there'd be a lot of reason to go back there. However, I think Elmyra would stay if she were needed to help with the children in Kalm. Who knows? We may be way off... but it makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes:

Do you think that there is the possibility that Cloud simply gave up at some point? Perhaps that is why he is feeling so suicidal and depressed. He thought that he could never be with her again. That might also somewhat explain why he looks to be so ashamed in that dream (or whatever it is) where he is back to back with Aerith, he is ashamed to admit that he gave up.

Mmm, it was such a magical place. Such beauty in the midst of all that chaos. But we have no idea what shape her house might be now. They did say that most of the slums survived the meteor but it might still be very dangerous to be there. No matter how beautiful that house might be, half ruined Midgar is not a good, safe place for little children. Kalm on the other hand would be perfect.

Hmmm... possibly... but if that were so, why would Tifa say to him, "You think you'll meet her again this way? You think you would reach her by doing so? The way you die could be a good way, is that what you think???" Doesn't that imply that Cloud believes he will meet her when he dies? And he certainly doesn't seem surprised to see her back to back in the flower field. If he thought he couldn't meet her, wouldn't he be showing relief and happiness that he was finally with her rather than saying he wanted to be forgiven?

Good point... Kalm would be a better place for the children than Midgar. Hmmm... even though we haven't seen anything to indicate this in the previews, it makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? Did he bring the children affected by Geostigma to Midgar because he thought they might receive better medical attention there? Remember that Zangan brought Tifa to Midgar for that reason...

I am going to be stubborn and still explain it all by saying that Cloud and Aerith are acting the way they are in that scene simply because it's a dream. You can't control yourself in a dream, you have no power what you do in your dreams. Just think what's it like when you're dreaming, things rarely go the way you would want them to, it is as if you're watching a movie that you're starring. ^_^
It is frustrating, you want to say and do so much more but you can not, and when things finally seem to get better you wake up. At least that's the way it is with me.

But that was when Midgar was stilll standing in it's full glory and Shinra was strong and wealthy. We might hate Shinra for all it did but we have to admit that they had lot of technology and knowledge, and now that they are gone and buried I doubt the hospitals and doctors in the ruined Midgar are any better then anywhere else. Times have changed, all that is left of Midgar are the slums and the few who still wish to live there.

Aha... okay, I didn't see it as a dream. I saw it as Cloud being in touch with Aerith's spirit. Perhaps being in the area of the Forgotten City heightened Cloud's feelings of guilt, since it's near where she died - so it forced him to confront his guilt.

I guess we have to look at these previews as Square trying to represent many elements of the story in a space of 25 minutes. They needed to introduce the basis of the story to the audience, give some sense of what the SHM are fighting for, represent the conflict with the SHM, show that Cloud is still struggling with issues involving those who were lost to him in FFVII while dealing with the effects of Geostigma and the SHM, show that he is somehow involved with the orphans, show the effects of Geostigma, involve the other FFVII characters in the preview, put in a good fight scene, and show Sephiroth... all in the space of 25 minutes. I guess they can't very well try to represent the story and preview all of those highlights at the same time. The issues involving Aerith are rather complex and dfficult to represent at the same time they're trying to deal with so much else, especially when they don't want to give too much away about what will happen.

But remember that the Healing Lodge is near Midgar, which implies that doctors specializing in Geostigma and doing research into it are located nearby.

Heh heh heh, I'm with FFG. I hope Cloud's living with Elmyra in Kalm, that'll bug the CloTi's.
But don't get me wrong! It really does make SENSE! Especially if Aly's correct about Cloud wanting to live his life the way Aeris would. Doing so along side her mother would work, don't you think?