ok i know u all are aerith fans and so am i but aerith is dead and it would be so weird if she just came back out of no were for no reason. Im sorry but i think tifa would be best for cloud. Even though he liked aerith i think tifa is able to keep up with him much more than aerith. And aerith could have reunited with zack. maybe thats why square enix killed aerith's character. so that the love triangle can come to an end. aerith and zack and cloud and tifa. not bad i guess.

*turns red* You think Tifa is best for....WHAT?! :guns: :guns:
:fury: I DON'T CARE IF AERIS IS DEAD!! SHE MAY NOT BE WITH US IN BODY, BUT SHE'S ALSO HERE WITH US IN SPIRIT, AND SHE CONTINUES TO LIVE ON NO MATTER WHAT!!!

Sorry vincent for me yelling at you :hug:, but I just can't face reality, no matter how many times it slaps you in the face :sad:

wow i wasnt expecting that reaction but thats ok i guess. i mean its been years since people kept arguing about it im getting really tired of it. i mean arent u all. exuse me but i really think its rediculous im sorry if i offended anyone it was truly not my intention and i apologize in advance.

aww its okay!!!! i should be apologizing!!! :hug: *hugs vincent* That's why I always say keep the faith of Cleris alive :huggle:!!!

Whenn I hear something relating to :never:, it really annoys the living :X out of me!!! my bad again!!! :lmao:

aw its ok lets keep the peace :hugs vanessa:

:peace2: Right we don't wanna make any other Cleris fans upset!! :giggle: You know, I'm really starting to like you :huggle:. Wanna be one of my Cleris buddies? :hug:

Umm, you might get warned for this, Vince. Going CloTi is against the rules. :no:

As for my thoughts on this... have you seen Advent Children? The bonus scene is enough for me to think that even if you think Aerith can't keep up with Cloud, Cloud is always gonna keep up with Aerith. ;) As for Zeris... MOTP confirmed that Aeris loved Cloud much more than she ever loved Zack, and even told Zack straight out when they were in the Lifestream that he could never be a lover.

The verdict: Cloud will be single forever. The end. :D

luna u might be right. maybe im wrong but the point im trying to make is that the debate of who cloud really loves should have come to an end a very loooooooong time ago. and yes vanessa i would love to be one of ur cleries buddies :D

I definitely agree with you that some closure would be very nice after ten years of having fans at each other's throats. :D But at this point, who Cloud really loved, if anyone, is still up in the air. Until we get some grand proclamation of love in the form of a game or movie, or Square officially announces that yes, Cloud loved *insert name here*, we won't be able to say who the true, canon couple of Final Fantasy VII really was. Right now, all we can do is be patient. :)

Hmmm... What would my 2 cents be regarding this?... Very well, I think that in this "Nomura era" FFVII's canon couple is Cloudx"Your personal choice", but hell, the game was made by Sakaguchi, so screw Nomura. Sakaguchi's intended couple is simply blatant. Man, saying he'd like to find this girl in the Promised Land, in front of the other girl that had a crush on him speaks volumes, but hell again, that's just my biased opinion.

Luna you are right!!!!!! Going Cloti is against the rules..Isn't this why we have a Clerith forum?

Yay!! a new buddy!!! *glomps vincent* :glomp2:

what the hell are you on?! how can you say that?!
tifa is a bad choice for cloud, she doesn't understand what he needs at all!! cloud loves aerith, he always will. as long as he does, i don't think he'll go straight into a relationship. Sure, he should have someone in his life, but just not Tifa! Anyone but Tifa! :mad:

Go read MoTP, Zack and Aerith are just friends now. She loves Cloud way more than she loved him.

DAYDREAMER CALM DOWN :no: !! I ALREADY YELLED AT VINCENT!! don't make it worse...:peace2:

sorry, it's been a long day....

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*hugs daydreamer* Its okay!! Poor vincent is probably upset..:hug:

:sniff sniff: i need emotional support :hugs vanessa: :sad:

Going cloti or liking cloti isn't really against the rules. We do have a few members who like cloti. However, discussing cloti with a romantic aspect behind it is against the rules.

Anyways, if you look at the aspect of Cloud and Aeris in a 'realistic' way. Sure, yeah, they can't be physically together. But, isn't reality in the FF universe different from our reality? In a universe where you can ride giant chickens like horses or summon special magic to stop a meteor from destroying the planet, who is to say what is realistic or not in the universe of final fantasy? ;)

Sure, Cloud and Aeris may be physically apart, but it's clear that they remain spiritually and emotionally connected, especially in AC. A constant theme in all the FFs(and KH, aswell) from what I have witnessed, is that as long as you remain connected with the one you love, you are never truely apart. For example, Yuna and Tidus are sepperated in FFX, but in FFX-2, we can see that they remained spiritually connected. The scene where Tidus guides Yuna from the farplane is a representation of their spiritual connection.

SquareSoft intended for Aeris to die in FFVII to represent the theme of LIFE. She wasn't killed off just to 'end' the LT and reunite with Zack. If that were the case, why is the LT still being discussed, even after eight years from the game, if the LT was officially ended with? If Nomura wanted to show that Zack and Aeris are together and reunited in the end, why, in MoTP, does Aeris say she loves Cloud more than Zack and even prefers Cloud's personality than Zack's? Instead, we see Aeris always thinking about Cloud throughout the novella. If Aeris still thought of Zack in a romantic way, wouldn't she be thinking of him and be trying to reunite with him. I found it interesting when some clotis argue about Zeris in MoTP, they fail to mention that Zack only appeared to Aeris when Aeris was thinking of Cloud and how she remembered him. ZOMG!! MoTP is clearly zeris and cloti!!! :woot: *cough*REisbeingsarcasticifyoucan'ttell*cough*

Same questions can be asked about cloti in the end of VII and during AC. If square intended for FFVII to be cloti, why aren't Cloud and Tifa shown together(romantically) in the ending of VII, or during the events of CoT, or at the ending of AC? What does square show? End of FFVII: 1)Cloud wanting to meet with Aeris in the promised land. 2)CoT: Cloud becoming distant from Tifa and visiting places associated with Aeris, like her church. 3)AC: Directly in the end with the 'special' ending/music video, we see only two people being focused on... Cloud and Aeris.

Well, that's my two cents. Sorry if it seems like I'm ganging up on you, vincent. I didn't intend to sound like I was. ^^ *offers vincent a cookie*

Edit: And please leave the spammage in the spam section, m'kay. :yammer:

Realistically? Pfuh.

I am one of the people who will say that FF7 is just an RPG. It's not even a great RPG, but it'll do. And I refuse to put "real life elements" in a game, otherwise I'll have to debate why the Highwind would have a Chocobo stable but no toilets or bedrooms or stuff ANY decent transportation would have.

As for Cloud moving on with Tifa. That has not been set on stone. CoT didn't make them an item, AC didn't make them an item. KH2 depicts Cloud running off after Sephiroth than help Tifa fight off Heartless. So SE is quite afraid to make Cloud any moves either to Tifa and Aerith (Aerith is a strong motivation for him in AC, Tifa helped him when he was fighting Sephiroth in KH2). We could only speculate, but they'll never confirm it.

I'm happy with the fact SE never thought Cloud carrying Aerith's memory for the rest of his life is stupid or cliche or cheesy or whatnot regardless of the CloTi fans. Or that Cloud, after his depression, wanted to run into Tifa's willing arms and declared that he wanted to marry her and make children together. SE certainly not giving that ending. And that's enough for me.

So as said by Luna, CG and the rest... unless it is said otherwise Cloud is single. End of discussion.

*hugs vincent* :hug: Aww don't worry vincent!! I'm here for you :wink: :huggle: :hug:

I am guessing you have never read Maiden Over The Planet? :lmao:

Anyway, onto ze main post.


...What does Aeris's death have anything to do with who Cloud loves? Just because one girl isn't alive, he HAS to go to the other? There are only two girls in the whole FFVII world now? Cloud HAS to be with someone?

HAR HAR. PHAILD.

What you speak of sure ain't reality, hun. Cloud has never hinted at wanting a romantic relationship with anyone, and to back that up, he has stayed single for what? All his life including the last three woman-filled years? Even when he has one as a room mate? I think any typically horny guy would just say "Screw it" and go all weak minded by starting a relationship with the next closest girl. But then again, Cloud isn't the typical guy, le gasp! You talk like Cloud was tied to a tree or something by Aeris's grave and that he should be let go to be with Tifa. Cloud was never tied. He is single under his own free will whether fans like to admit it or not. If he loved Tifa in FFVII, he would have gotten with her. If he loved Tifa (minus the "dubious" look) in CoT, he would have gotten with her. If he loved Tifa in KH2, he would have not run away constantly and gotten with her. If he loved Tifa in AC, again, he would have gotten with her. Cloud's own actions speak volumes to those who CHOOSE to listen.

How many years does Cloud have make everyone wait before people realize he is staying single/waiting for the right one? I mean seriously. Let's face reality people.



~*~This single Cloud endorsement post was paid for and brought to you by CG~*~

:rolleyes: Remy's got a point again..as always :rolleyes: :giggle:

i don't know where are clotis have the dignity..so cloud loves aerith..but she's dead.,..and tifa is still available(even he doesn't like her)...tifa is like the second best option? the second meal?like the player who is always wanting to play in football... ? :whistle:
a big of dignity please :yawn:

I'm sorry, but I highly doubt SE killed Aerith just to end a little love triangle. :lol: In fact, I'd venture so far as to say that it definitely wasn't the reason, because it's a silly way to end any love triangle, a silly reason to kill a major character and certainly something I'd only expect to see in stories on Fanfiction.net.

This is one line of thought I will never understand. :blink: Is the concept of "love beyond death" so hard to accept? I'd always thought it was one of the most common scenarios around in fiction, yet apparently, the Cleris belief of it seems to baffle some people.

I, for one, do not view death as an obstacle for Cleris. If anything, Aerith's death actually underscores just how strong her bond with Cloud is. So SE doesn't need to resurrect her for Cleris to be possible in my eyes. I'm actually quite opposed to any resurrection of her in FFVII. Anti-R said it best:

If you want to be realistic, how about the reality of two strangers from a village meeting up again in a gigantic city seven years later? That's about as "unrealistic" as Cloud loving Aerith after death, yet it happened in FFVII anyway. ;)

We are all fully aware of the fact that zomg Aerith iz ded. <_< That isn't something that we can't face, or we're in denial about. Cloud and Aerith's relationship isn't just about physical love. It's also about continuing to love someone regardless of the fact that they're no longer around physically. It's about continuing to keep that person dear in your heart, and continuing to be devoted to them until you're able to be reunited with them. We've already seen in AC that death hasn't stopped Aerith and Cloud seeing each other, how Cloud still thinks about her all the time and holds her dear, and how Aerith still looks after Cloud.

What do you mean by 'keep up?' :blink: And why does Tifa being able to 'keep up' with Cloud matter? It's what Cloud wants, what makes Cloud happy that matters, nothing else. Not enough people consider that.

Like Lynn, I highly doubt that. Killing off a character to resolve a love triangle is an extremely cheap way of doing it, and is the mark of a bad, unimaginative writer. And as others have said, MotP shows that Zack is still a dear friend to Aerith, but she loves Cloud and Cloud alone.

ur right.....ALL I WANT IS SOME CLOSURE!!! its been years.....I need emotional support :cries: :sad: :sniff: :sniff:

I hate to say it, but I wouldn't bother holding my breath for closure if I were you. SE seems more set on leaving the LT "open", compared to the definite conclusions for the other FF couples. If any relationship is getting emphasis, it's the Sephiroth/Cloud yaoiness rivalry.

Unless you subscribe to Remy's Cloud/Singledom fandom. Then you automatically win. :lol:

You said it beautifully, Remy! :huggle: Exactly... why does Aerith being dead mean that Cloud has to be with Tifa? Tifa's the only woman available? Tifa's the only option that Cloud has?

What about what Cloud *wants*? Has he shown that he *wants* to be romantically involved with Tifa? If that's what he wants, then why hasn't it happened already?

As Remy pointed out, Maiden Over the Planet tells us that Aerith loves Cloud much more than Zack. So why do you want Aerith to "settle" for Zack?

Vincent's logic is simply that "if they're in the same place, they oughta be together". Well, Barret's in the same place as Cloud, too. Does that mean they should be romantically involved? Hojo's in the same place as Aerith. Does that mean that Hojo and Aerith should be romantically involved? <_<

There's much more to love than being available. It's what you feel for the other person that matters. Tifa may be available, but that doesn't automatically mean that Cloud wants a romantic relationship with her. <_<

can someone PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IS 'MAIDEN OVER THE PLANET' I HAVE NEVER EVER IN MY LIFE HEARD OF IT.maybe it would straightened out somethings.

Maiden Over the Planet is a novella depicting the events after Aeris's death, in her point of view.

Found here: http://xthost.info/ffwebnovel/
Just go down to short stories and click 'The Maiden'.

Reminds me of FFVI. Terra wants love, and she got it not through a boyfriend, but through the children she was taking care of.

I have no doubt that Cloud will find the same way.

Oh! Let's be a little magnanimous with poor vinnie, he was just trying to speak his mind out.

:lol: Ah, true true. Sorry if we've been a little harsh on you, Vincent. I have a feeling that we've had to rebutt these points in debates so many times (and let's not count the number of times Cleris-bashers use this as an excuse), that it's become second nature to sound a little sharp.

Well, I know that's the case with me, anyway.

That's so sweet! Ah, Terra, last of the leading FF females~ *salutes* Which reminds me, I need to finish the game. It's been several years already, and still everyone's stuck at the part when the world turned to hell. :P

hm.....maybe it's a strategy of square using the open LT to keep fans stay ... ...

however, I for myself would prefer Cloud staying as a single, if square introduces him a new one,....why not :P
But I'm always a Clerith fan, that's for sure :D

Not to be harsh or anything, but I AM facing reality, and I still believe it's CloudXAerith... :P

Maybe it's time some people face "the real reality": FFVII is a game, not real life. *smirks*

Maybe it's time they get in tune with the themes and messages of FFVII when referring to it. Why do they keep comparing it to real life? :o

Really, whatever closure to the LT that may or maynot happen wouldn't bother me. If Nomura decides that he wants it to be Cloti, that's fine. It's his game, after all. But I don't like Cleris because I think it's canon. I like it because I like it, and that won't change :cleris:

I'm telling you now, it won't make any sense at all if Cloud was in love with Tifa and not Aerith in FFVII. :no:
It seems so...dull and un-Final Fantasyish.

I am a she and I would like to thank you all for being gentle on me. It was not my intentions, at any point, to hurt or offend anyone at all. plz forgive me. I will remain true to cleries. :cleris:

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Please don't spam... I feel like I have been saying this in every thread already...