http://www.youtube.com/w/FF-VII--Last-Orde...ch=Last%20Order

I havent really had the chance to watch it all the way through yet but its still loading, but my friend claims theres alot of fluff in it when Cloud rescues her,


Edit: Is this an okay place to put this? I don't want to spoil someone, and I think this was in AC, somplace....

Well, Cloud does tenderly brush Tifa's hair away from her face and smile at her all softly.

Er... it's sweet, yer.

lol. That is true...Cloud did soften his expression when he saw Tifa's face...
Who wouldn't after seeing your friend being slashed by a man you trusted so much!!?
But other than that, I saw nothing that made me feel that LO was a CloTi.

Yeah, And besides, I'd be happy to see my friend alive and well.

Poor Zack though D:

I noticed that in LO, Sephiroth only threw Tifa off of him (and straight down a flight of stairs) while in the game, he actually slashed her with Masamune (after which she fell straight down a flight of stairs).

Just an observation. XD

Zack also makes physical contact to Cloud a LOT in Last Order, my yaoi best friend loved it with all her heart (especially when Zack went all "CLOUD!" and hugged him), so... meh.

Last Order did have Cloud brushing back Tifa's hair and smiling softly at her, but it also showed Sephiroth jumping into the Mako pit of his own accord rather than getting thrown in there by Cloud, and also had Zack getting shot while he and Cloud were still in the back of the truck. For me, it screwed up two of my favourite moments in the Nibelheim flashbacks - Sephiroth jumping into the Mako kills Cloud's moment of triumph, that revelation where he realised that even though he wasn't a SOLDIER First Class he wasn't a failure, he managed to defeat Sephiroth single handedly. And the Zack moment where he faced all the pursuing Shinra MPs by himself to save Cloud, the most noble and touching thing he could have done? That gets turned into Shinra catching them unawares and hitting Zack with a lucky shot. And after showing how much of a badass Zack was, that's really anti-climactic. :grr:

Also, it shows that Cloud was never wearing his mask and Tifa recognised him. So if we go along with this, then that means that Tifa lied to Cloud the whole way through FFVII, and in the Lifestream Sequence when she said that Cloud never came to Nibelheim. Whether it was made by Square or not is irrelevant, because if you choose to see it as canon, then you also have to accept that Tifa lied to Cloud for no good reason. We know that in FFVII she kept the fact that Cloud wasn't in Nibelheim a secret because she was afraid that something terrible might happen, but what possible reason could she have for telling him he wasn't in Nibelheim when by Last Order's canon, she knew full well that he was? Tifa loves Cloud, she would never do that to him, which is why I don't consider Last Order as canon. Not because there's a fluffy moment between Cloud and Tifa, but because it completely contradicts some of the most important moments in FFVII.

Oh, Anti-R, I was the same as your friend when I was watching it! Cloud x Zack are adorable. :wub:

There were a lot of differances in Last Order then what you saw in the game. Sure, Cloud did bush some of Tifa's hair out of her face and smile at her, but that was that. I saw nothing else "Cloti-ish". Besides, he didnt't know Aeris yet, and he hasn't gone through everything in FF7 yet. So, I don't think it really gives proof of Cloti. Maybe some ZackxCloud, but no CloudxTifa that I can see.

Lies and slander :B kidding xD

Zack and Cloud were so cute. Cloud was like a mute the whole time and Zack was all nice. xD;

I agree x__x;

Zack x Cloud (er, is there a god pairing name for them? I just call them Zackura x.X) is complete yum. The yaoi fangirl within me speaks.

Nah, there's no good pairing name for them. They get stuck with Clack. :lmao: I prefer to just use Z/C. Mmm, Zack and Cloud... *pervs over Yubin doujnshi*

Yeah, thats a good way of putting it xD

..Clack...That sounds funny out loud, almost like quack.....xD;

After watching LO again, Cloud and Tifa really only had one scene together, which was just him carefully placing her off to the side and brushing hair from her face, followed up by a gentle smile.

xD Honestly, if thats considered romantic, then there must be alot of people in love with each other in the world. I mean, if you had just seen your friend soar down a flight of stairs and survive a 12 foot long blade, you'd be pretty happy to see their face too. Besides, Cloud promised to rescue her when she was in danger, and he'd never break a promise. It was something he felt he should do as a good friend.

It was sweet, yes. But I saw no romance there.

Yeah xD

http://www.geocities.com/sinfulmry/Y93.jpg :wub: :whistle:

Anyway, MB said it all perfectly. The anime was cool as a standalone thing, but when it completely contradicts what it was based on, that's when CG gets annoyed. Zack was awesome though. :wub:

*sigh* I would sell my soul to Yubinyasha, if I hadn't done so already. :wub: :wub:

It's funny because in AC, the movie that came along with the OVA, we get a flashback of Zack running past Cloud on the cliffs where he ultimately died. If the animators were making ANY effort at all to stay in line with canon, they should've at least gotten that part right. Bad coordination? Deciding to use their creative license? <_<

Anyway, Clerith-son cleared it up for me with that brilliant Rurouni Kenshin example. Really, LO should only be considered a stand-alone product, with animators changing things to suit the OVA and only the OVA. Cloud running past Tifa without much reaction, like he'd done in FFVII, just would not have been as dramatic if someone watched LO on its own.

It's just as how some of the Kenshin OVAs went against the manga's canonity (to avoid spoilers, despite how popular RK is anyway, I'll just say that the changes made to Kenshin's fate was very drastic @_@).

Loooove the Clack, though. :drool:

Clack, >.< (I remember watching LO with my brother and younger sister. Younger sister commented that Zack is being so unusually seme, but my brother objected it was depicting "man love". Both of us replied he's not helping his own point so... XD) But then there is Tuna, so... really can't complain.

I love LO as a stand alone.

I despise it as Canon.

Meh, LO doesn't bother me...Cloud and Tifa had a scene, sure, but this was all BEFORE Aerith, so it doesn't really matter :cleris:

Yeah D: Friendship for CloTis. <3 xD

Holy shitballs... Tuna? rofl Good lord... Someone must think of a better shorthand for Tidus x Yuna. D:

Now I'm sooo tempted to look at more Yubinbasya doujinshi (and I've got cleaning to do!). She's like the queen of Zack x Cloud doujinshi.<3

I prefer to think of it as "Tiduna", as Yunus, Yudus, or Yidus aren't much better then Tuna :no:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Tuna! Whne did it have to resort to that?!
I've always used Tiduna.

Tiduna is the best!!! :fangirl:

...Tuna. xD wtf.

Can we stop the spam and stay on topic, please? It's like the whole forum exploded in spam lately. :blink: Conversations are directed to the Spam section.

Sorry ^^;;; We'll stay on topic now

Heh, it's funny, because I just made a big rant post about my thoughts on Last Order in the Northern Crater forum. I do think it's canon. Is it ZOMGTOADULLYCLITO? No. For the love of God, it was more Tifa X Zack than Tifa X Cloud, and that comes from my unbiased, unobsessed Fack fangirl side, if such a side of me exists. :D Here is what I originally wrote about Last Order and how Cloud and Tifa/Zack and Aeris were portrayed, in response to some posts saying that LO was pro-CloTi/Zeris.

And here were my thoughts on Zack and Tifa, posted in the "Who Would Be Best with Tifa?" poll:

Wrap it all up and you've got a bright future for Cleris. Yay. :cleris:

*clap clap* =D Good point.

:snack: ----------

It's always good to share opinions, but let's keep one-liners like these in check, okay? :) Thank you. ~ Lynn

I think just about the only way I'll willingly accept LO as the new canon would be if the changes in it were incorporated into a remake of FFVII. Until then, I'll remain a stubborn fan and cling to the idea that Cloud threw Sephiroth into the Mako pit on his own strength. :evil:

Loved your ideas about the relationship Cloud and Tifa show in LO, though (ah, you should just save me the trouble of looking and just post all your ideas on one website :lol: ). I think it would be sweet if they managed to form that kind of bond, considering their past as neighbourly strangers.

I've heard of that book you mentioned, and now I'm definitely considering picking it up.

Very good thoughts on this, Luna-Nayru. However, I don't think of LO as canon. It was made by the AC staff, but it's not canon to the events of FFVII. There's way too many contradictions.

If you accept LO as the canon event, then you have to wonder why Tifa told Cloud during the Lifestream Event that he wasn't there for the Nibelheim Event. If Cloud was there, you have to wonder why Cloud told Tifa during the Lifestream Event that he was sorry he didn't get there sooner. If Tseng and Elena shot Zack from a helicopter, then you have to wonder about the notes found in the laboratory of the Shinra building. If Cloud didn't throw Sephiroth into the Mako stream, then you have to wonder why there was such controversy between them. Did it ever occur to anyone that Sephiroth was PO'd at Cloud for "defeating" him at Nibelheim? That was part of the reason that Sephiroth singled Cloud out at the Reunion. He wanted to get back at Cloud.

The events depicted in LO simply don't fit into the story of FFVII. There's way too many contradictions. Besides, I heard that Before Crisis depicted the events of LO in the same way they were shown in FFVII. If BC showed them the same way as FFVII, then we have to accept the FFVII version as the canon story.

Hee, I prefer this version, too. I guess I consider Last Order canon because it's an official product of Squenix and Nomura, but I agree with Anastar that some of the events are pretty messed up. I think it's a nice depiction of the relationships between the characters, but it's pretty inaccurate when it comes to the actual way the game showed it. I'm totally with you in rooting for a remake, though. LO + FFVII + AC graphics = teh ultimate hawt. :D

Thank you! I am teh biased Cleristh 4 lyfe, ain't no anime gonna change my mind about Cloud and Tifa having sibling-like feelings for each other. Truth be told, the moment where Cloud brushed away Tifa's hair really, really reminded me of when Tifa brushed away Aeris's hair at her death. And when I watched that scene in FFVII, I immediately interpreted it as a motherly gesture. Funny how when two friends who are a male and female use this gesture, it's interpreted as romantic. Cloud and Tifa get no breaks. :no:

BUY!! NOWZ!!111 :fist: Seriously, it's my favorite book of all time. Holden is such a Cloud it's not funny, and Phoebe is THE literary Tifa figure. I immediately thought of them when watching LO. ^_^

And Anastar, I'm far too lazy to quote your entire marvelous post, but I do agree very much with you. My awkward little interpretation of LO's relevance is probably because I don't really have a clear definition of "canon," being the n00b dum-dum that I am. :D I mean it's an official product, and more than likely endorses the views of the creators, but that doesn't mean I think the creators are a pack of rabid CloTis who want to convince us that Zack died from being shot by a helicopter in the back of the yellow truck. I really think that FFVII is what matters the most in this situation, being that it's the original game and teh mothership of all this propaganda. ;) I personally just see LO as a tribute to FFVII more than a correction, and the events have just been changed to keep viewers interested and to make it more, well, anime-ish. I refuse to believe that Cloud sticking the buster sword in the ground in AC on the spot where Zack was killed in FFVII means nothing. Even though that spot was originally a block of polygons, it's still unmistakably the cliff on which Shinra pumped lead into Cloud's hero. So poo on LO in that respect. :P

Well, i did see that Cloud does truely care about Tifa, but when Tifa fans put it that way, its stupid! Cloud and Tifa have a more brother sister type of love. The movie im my view, was in total agreement of Aeris and Cloud together. It was a super movie! I was so happy when i got to see Aeris face :sad:
but anyways, i dont remember Cloud pushing hair from her face? Iv'e watched the movie 3 times. Oh well. :D

Thats Advent Children ^__^ This is Last Order

Sure Kage. Go tell the world. XD

Just kidding. Yeah, fl00f in LO, but not too much. It's cute to watch nonetheless. :B XD

I'm not going to like this i think. . .
I hate when people mess with cannon for no good reason, it really pisses me off
It's not like i hadn't heard about it before, but never the details,
still, i might as well see for myself

sometimes now, i just wish they left it at ff7, no ac, no doc, no books and no this

ADDITIONAL
It wasn't bad, even the cloti bit was rather sweet, and the fighting was cool, especially Zack fighting bare handed and all of cloud vs sephiroth, the edited things were small and not very annoying, as long as this doesn't enter into canon so as not to mess later game details up, i did like it afterall

Well what I find really amusing is that the English AC isn't coming with LO:

Do I smell "truckload of hatemail due indiscriminate bastardization of canon" being the reason? :lmao:

Whoa. :blink:
I just watched LO an hour ago, and I must say, the only thing that impressed me was Zack. :wub:
Oh....my...god....That is soooooo wrong. And I'll list them all for you.

WTF...? Sephiroth jumped into the Mako Reactor? I thought Cloud threw him in.

Tifa.....so she recognized Cloud and they had a little moment.... :mad: That means she lied even more than she did in the game!! :fury:

Zack.....cute guy....I actually like him more than Cloud.....but COME ON!!!! After he dodged all those attacks by Shinra, he was killed by ONE SHOT?!?!?! And it was in the lamest way, too. :blink: Erm....wasn't he seen running away from something rather than being killed on a moving truck?!

-_- *sighs* I'd prefer them stick to the real facts, but I guess it wasn't a complete thumbs-down but that's probably thanks to Zack.

Hmm... you know, I think you just might be right! :lmao: